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On the other hand, I am going to die at Armageddon because God has decided he doesn’t like me and that my heart is full of wickedness.

I do not believe this to be the case. I am always striving to find out the truth with an open mind. My search has made me come into contact with many religions/theories and I count myself highly knowledgable in many areas. However, one thing I cannot say is that I have the whole puzzle. Perhaps it is beyond man to know the whole puzzle, who knows?

I do know that in the scriptures we are urged to ‘keep seeking the truth’ Note, not keep reading what it says in the Watchtower or any literature that has a JW seal of approval. Surely by reading every side of every argument the truth will become apparent. With this in mind why are JW’s very actively discouraged from anything that is not written by the WTBTS?

One thing I can definitely say is that the JW leaders have shown time and time again that they are not from the True God. It is obvious that they can’t be otherwise God is playing a terribly cruel game with them. I think it is more likely that power hungry men are actually playing the cruellest games with the rank and file JW.

I believe the organisation is set up to actually stop people researching religion/the bible. Substititing ancient accounts with the Watchtower interpretation blinds JW’s yet they actually believe they are spiritually and knowledgably the greatest researchers of the bible in the world! Personally I have never met a JW who ever demonstrated their bible knowledge to great effect. Rather they repeat the same old tired scriptures like Matthew 24:14 to prove to themselves that they are these ‘chosen people’ They use these scriptures like some sort of mantra and I can tell that the meaning of the words contained in the scripture has been lost. – Sometimes they even just use the scripture reference to get a point across without actually quoting it! Just like if you repeat a word over and over it loses it’s meaning. (Read about NLP Neuro-Linguistic Programming – fascinating) All this has made the JW lazy in his/her understanding of the bible. It doesn’t matter what anyone else says anyway because they belong to Satan!!

According to them,the reason that religious scholars who have actually devoted their lives to the bible do not understand it is because Satan is blinding them!

One more thing I find interesting is this and it relates to the thread about the Peter Mosier gagging order. JW’s believe that the world is as it is now because Satan is in charge of it. In a nutshell the idea is God was in charge of the world but Satan set a challenge to God that he could run the world affairs just as well as Jehovah God/humans could govern themselves without Gods guiding hand. Did Jehovah God set a gagging order against Satan and sue him for this blatant slander? Errrrr NO actually the whole idea is that God couldn’t do that because it seemed heavy handed and the challenge had to be allowed to prove itself otherwise. Because if not, Jehovah God would have people doubting his word as the correct word. WTBTS please take note of this. Your actions completely in contradiction to the ideals of your God!! You are suing a person for money for which you say you will very soon have no use! Surely God will take care of things without the need for you to get ‘worldly’ courts involved. In fact you are just opening yourself to ever more criticism. Funny how you encourage your followers to give up careers and jobs and livelihoods and that ‘God will provide’. Why not in this case let God provide?

It takes little intelligence to belittle someone.

You are no different then a highschool, no ELEMENTARY school bullie.

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So “knowing the truth sets us free” from apostasy but endurance to the end is required regardless of Organizational error of any Governing Body, true?

So APOSTLE Peter put it this way “what sort of people ort you PROVE TO BE”.

Encourage all faithful persons to “put error of those whom conduct themselves in error behind and focus on your faith and endure to the end and mark apostate criticism with apostate teaching from God’s Word!

At the end of the day who can change such ones on both sides of apostasy? In event an Organized Governing Body Apostasies from scripture and marks those whom point out their error or whether some others whom unfoundedly criticise Jehovah’s Witnessing teaching it is only God’s Word as revealed to the “Discreet slave class” feeding the correction “food” that is approved by their master when he arrives at Matthew 24 and Luke 12 that will be rewarded.

Hence which one of those whom posted a entry either on this web sight or on Jehovah’s Witnesses Official Web sight are Christ Jesus hence remember we all have to be approved yet? Humility dicatates patience and endurance.

It could hardly be argued that the Watchtower and its Governing Body are not standing on shaky ground if it rests on its own virtues and clings to “Doctrines of men” when Jesus in Matthew 15 rightly condemned such as “that form of worship being futile”. It is of note that the District Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses is claiming to be qualified to teach others of how to “Follow Christ” coming soon to a location near you. The question arises how do they justify their having taken legal action against “Peter Mosier” when Christ said leave them alone it seems like they may well have identified whom their real “Spiritual Farther is”?

The problem mainstream Jehovah’s Witnesses have is where do they go when the society are quick to point out the scripture Christ said when many left him when he said “You have the sayings of everlasting life”. Hence the sayings “of everlasting life” is a powerful tool against leaving and as commented above the Book “Paradise Restored” published 1972 Chapter 20 from paragraphs 41 through to 44 gives a good supportive account that the mentioned “abuse of power” of it seems the Organization Governing Body is about to come to its completition. The short anwser stay put!

It points out that those within “God’s household of faith turn on their faithful brothers in an abuse of power”. The response above (near top comments) highlighting this information does emphasis “an abuse of power”. It could hardly then apply to those accused of being ex-witnesses because they are not in power hence the earlier explanation if correct does point to actions consistent with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses wielding such power.

What happened to “Peter Mosier” and others only serves to add to their own advises and their own earlier “flash of spiritual light” given what they did to Peter Mosier it would follow they would not want the Truth to set the “Domestics free” in Matthew 24 verse 45 from the “Truth of their own actions outside the congregations in courts of law against their former brothers or in failing to apply the Golden Rule “DO Unto Others What they would want Did TO Them” the teaching Christ Jesus taught hence the District Convention Theme is “Follow Christ” may be quite interesting how they may develop that with a clear conscience?

It’s the “Good News” to be preached not legal action to prevent exposure of Organizational Teaching that may have taught errors in Good News?

The “Wicked slave” is noted for its beating of its fellow brothers as pointed out only the Organization is in a position to actually beat their brothers “but now the truths out to set free”.

The other witnesses accordingly are not evidently held bloodguilty for Organizational beating from Governing Body as the scriptures in Luke 12 show clearly those doing the beating get cut of hence the days of such structure are numbered by their own willful actions but the average Jehovah’s Witnesses it seems will be spared only its leaders are to be judged!

When a similar situation occurred in Jesus day “he said leave them alone a blind man cannot guide a blind man” so hence this as well condemns their actions against Peter Mosier taking him to court and seeking to silence him. Additionally Jesus stated the rule to apply “watch out for the leaven” which equated to corrupt teaching of religious leaders in his day which still is as relevant in our day to the religious teaches of Jehovah’s Witnesses must be “marked as leaven” if proven wrong. Also Jesus in keeping did not condemn the common people but just merely stated “watch out for the leaven” hence Jesus himself gives the answer to retain your faith as Jehovah’s Witnesses and “watch out for any leaven in congregational meetings until Jesus Arrives and may remove such in accordance with the above and how “Paradise Restored” Book chapter 20 paragraph 43-44 indicates he will cut of such leaven as indicated.

Hence encourage all Jehovah’s Witnesses to remain faithful and all ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to revise your faith and no longer need to criticise errors of the Organization Teaching and stumble and fall victim to Matthew 24 verse 12 “love fall away” but rather “endure to the end to get saved” along with your former brothers and sisters “whom are preaching the good news”. Both you and them cannot change what the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing as their book correctly pointed out in 1972 it was inevitable that an “abuse of power” was to arrive signalling that the time for Divine Intervention is almost arrived to remove “constant feature of Oppressive Organized Religion a trade mark of Babylon the Great spoken of in Revelation chapter 17 and that God was going to put it into the hearts of “leaders” verse 17 to attack and devastate her and in event the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not repent of their former sins then their complaint is not with man but Jehovah God their God. If they refuse to separate from holding onto Organization Governing Body like Christendom when Revelation 18 verse 4 states get out of her that is their choice.

This also harmonizes with fact that the “blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the ones bearing witness to Jesus” in Revelation 17 verse 6 may point to them by their actions of first attacking those anointed that point out their error so their symbolic blood is spilt. This in no way removes the blood guilt of all other Organized religion being a part of the blood spilling.

Secondly by keeping those in the congregations under their control concealing their sins from them by insisting upon only what comes from the Governing Body is from God they in doing so symbolically may be seen that these even so do “bear witnesses to Jesus” in their witnessing work but are symbolically spilling their blood as it were by conducting them in error. From God’s point of view they may be likened to being “drunk” with religious error for instance if the Governing Body Doctrine is repeated in publications over 2000 times will it not become like a branding iron in their consciences that they never question it or game to.

This also harmonizes with the fact it is a religious harlot Organization containing all such types of religion and it is this that constitutes the harlot because of its controlling influence.

Hence at Revelation 18 verse 4 God asks all to come out of all such Controlling Organized Religion and the account of the “Wicked Slave” and above means “mark wrong teaching” being aware that God searches “hearts not heads” and he can see if you have marked a wrong doctrine so in this way you can remain a Jehovah’s Witness but “mark wrong doctrine”.

This would mean you refrain from giving answers at meetings upon doctrines your conscience to God may be troubled over and wait for God and the judging as in above book.

Those in other Organized religion may leave such and attend meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses to learn more about the basic teachings of the Bible and mark the Governing Body teaching or Organizational teaching in event it is not scriptural from your “personal” study.

Jehovah searches hearts and knows your dedication when it may take place in event cannot be baptised due to this fact prepare yourself when the time is right for any removal of that which is restricting your baptism being done away the removal of the Organizational Governing Body and each one give according to your heart scripturally to those in need fiscally.

Jehovah is a just God he will not put it off indefinitely and he will discipline his people! Judgement starts with the “house of God” Bethel means “House of God”, so the scriptures foretold that Bethel will be judged “First” then all other religion follow’s rather than the Watchtower claiming approval first.

To those whom have disassociated wait for God he will not be late apply Bible Principles and if have fallen from your dedication rekindle your faith based upon current events point to intervention as pointed out in the “Paradise Restored” book of Jehovah’s Witnesses 1972.

Remember only those “whom endure to the end get saved”, Matthew 24:13. Use this time to make sure of your Christ like personality is conforming to God’s Word and Standards within his word and avoid judging leave that to the one whom is able to save and destroy and “mark false teaching if leaven”. Avoid being critical of others just merely identify if an error exists.

Psalm 27:14 says “Wait on the LORD [Jehovah]; Be of Good Courage, And He shall strengthen Your Heart; Wait, I say, on the LORD [Jehovah]! “

Faced with exposure certain ones react with “false marking” a practise Christendom employed but which it appears the Governing Body now copycats to attempt to maintain its position like Christe3ndom. Hence Revelation 18:4 states “come out of her my people” in this context simply means leave false doctrine behind as the above explanation in the “Paradise Restored Chapter 20″ indicates “an abuse of power” by those in charge at Watchtower was inevitable to finally occur. The encouragement is that the account in Luke 12: verses 45-48 indicates those who “did not understand…will be beaten with few” (that may apply to people like yourself if remain in faith until Christ removes Governing Body and Bethel before Christendom judgement as a complete shock to Bethel), but the “slave that understood …will be beaten with many strokes” ( equates to those whom have no protection due to Organizational abuse of power until removed) and the “wicked slave” (only Governing Body has power to beat by printed page Watchtowers in false marking of those whom expose their errors and by legal actions to silence those unjustly) will be cut of by his master (CHRIST Jesus) unexpected before Christendom faces execution for the reason they take God’s name by not letting loss of the Governing Body doctrine to Separate from Christendom whom also have a governing body mentality (of which they have not yet separated from) and also take donations to build congregations when the only scriptural donations taken where to distribute to the famine victims. All this is using power for the wrong reasons as at PENTECOST the 120 were already in a “built upper chamber” no collections were ever taken to build literal buildings for congregational use only homes where used a fact. Jesus outlawed practise John 4:23-24 whereby the only two requirements for true worship were “God’s Spirit and his Word” if you sort his Spirit to understand his word he promised this was acceptable to him.

Governing Body have forgotten that the entire Bible was written by men whom lived at different times to one another and whom had been “born along by Holy Spirit” to write down God’s thoughts not man’s and all was in “harmony with his will”. How then do they need a centralized Governing Body, so Jehovah God has to narrow his “Spirit to man’s will”? Like Christendom it allows for manipulation of the masses or dedicated persons to come under control of them not God. When Paul visited Jerusalem latter in Acts “no Apostles” where present yet years latter Apostle John wrote Revelation. Does that mean “Governing Body” was run by so called elders or correctly speaking “older ones” latter in Acts while absent?

When people exercise “faith” nothing should prevent their getting baptized see Acts 8:36? In Acts about 12 where baptised another occasion about 3,000 and another occasion all of a “Gentiles house and that included his unumbered servants”. This exposes another error that of numbering those getting baptised as a part of controlling those allowed to be baptised, true? The Acts account gives no credit to numbering baptismal persons at all!

The Organizational structure of Jehovah’s Witnesses as you no prevent ones witnessing unless they accept the Governing Body doctrine. In turn they cannot get baptized unless they profess the Governing Body doctrine true? Did not Taze Russell claim in effect that the “Spirit removal” would indicate God’s disapproval and it would be time to not proceed? The peak in Baptisms’s of Jehovah’s Witnesses toward end of 90’s peaked at 375,000 odd now its down under 250,000 and dropping consistently are they going to ignore removal of God’s Spirit? Further “meat belongs to mature people whom have their perceptive powers discerned to know Right from Wrong”, true? If the Governing Body qualified for the “meat” how is it that for instance their “Warning Examples for our Day” 2002 claimed “Jamin of the Tribe of Simeon” was “born in the Wilderness after leaving Egypt ” some 200 plus years of his actual Brith before going down into Egypt in the days of the famine according to Genesis 46:10?

The reasons is the video by “falsifying dates” applied Simeon’s son Jamin as living after his father died because he died in Egypt and opened up the way for the “blind teaching” of “young ones going and seeing the elders behind closed doors” to enlighten them rather than their fathers under headship being obligated to instruct them hence “dividing houses” and paving the way to recruit young ones for Bethel service by serving Jehovah more fully rather than seeking counsel from their family first the video cultivated such thinking targeting youth.

Take away the “Governing Body doctrine and the collection of donations and the organization would fold and they would have to practise what they preach without any protections of a legal department purely to protect Bethel. Judgement starts with the “house of God”. Bethel means “house of God”! The scriptures state the apostasy must come first what you and others have experienced is that apostasy not of those exposing error but those whom cannot support their ‘Faith by accurate knowledge” and wait for God to send his executioner against all “Organized false doctrine” and deliver all those “groaning over the detestable things happening in our mist”. The witnesses manipulated by error will remain those doi9ng the manipulation will be removed by Christ upon his arrival with his powerful angels. Amos 3:7. (Not do single thing until reveal to his prophets hence prophets have to warn others be free from bloodguilt).

Jesus asked the question “who really is his faithful discreet slave giving food at proper time”? Has the evidence indicated Bethel has relinquished any rightful claim to be of this class if they fail test of true desciple?

Has Jesus arrived yet what did the new light of the “Sheep and the Goats’ in Watchtower 1995 state? It is in the future hence another error 1919 cannot be appointed over all his belongings then as Christ had not then arrived also they were celebrating birthdays at Bethel in 1925 a “claimed prohibition for Jehovah’s Witnesses” if he inspected them then he would have “removed them from their appointment”. Hence it is rightly so when he comes at end when inspection takes place he himself indicated this by saying “not knowing when coming”. (Mt 24:42)

That it would not be until he came at finish “with angels” to judge “Sheep and Goats” hence the application of his “anointed brothers being ill-treated fits harmony with Bible” and that the Witnesses really do not know whom Christ’s real brothers are as they ask same question as goats see Matthew 25:37-40 & 44-45 Hence your Bible and God’s Spirit assisting you to study the sign of Christ gave and “stay awake to the real meaning” behind events and “wait” for God so many times is emphasised through the scriptures hence “wait”! Also Remeber the “light gets brighter as day of Jehvoah gets nearer” hence as things become more clear naturally adjustments are made!

As have attempted to indicate “we live in diffecult times hard to deal with”
added to this is the problems above indicated designed to weaken ones faith. The above in explaining some underling reasons why so much wrong attempts to point to relevant scriptures and certain established meaning to strengthen those of faith powers of endurance and give a plausable explanation why Watchtower ORganization has acted the way it has and what the scriptures seem to indicate is about to happen to remove reproach from God’s name and “speed up those that man cannot number” when the “constant feature” of Organized religion is removed then what will prevent untold numbers getting baptised in fore fillement of Revelation?