Watchtower take legal action against site that quotes their Quotes!
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have initiated legal proceedings against Peter Mosier, who has been displaying “Quotes” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses publication on his website. The law suit seeks a reported $100,000 in damages and a court order to silence the website.
The WatchTower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have initiated legal proceedings against Peter Mosier, who has been displaying “Quotes” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses publication on his website.
Peter Mosier’s site http://quotes.watchtower.ca has used excerpts from the WatchTower’s own religious literature, which has been printed and distributed free of charge for many years.
The law suit seeks a reported $100,000 in damages and a court order to silence the website.
The site in question carries a notice (in red) that states: “This research and information web site is devoted to collecting and preserving interesting and/or significant quotes from the publications of the Watch Tower Society, without additional commentary or editorial, for the purpose of scholarship and research. The quotes are accurate and verifiable, however this web site is neither affiliated with nor endorsed by Watch Tower Society.”
We understand that Peter Mosier is a former Jehovah’s Witness.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are often considered a “cult” by many and it is not unusual to see former Jehovah’s Witnesses speaking out against this organization. It is true that they have many traditions and rules that most find strange, and in some cases unacceptable.
Our other site (Profindpages) has written a number of articles on Jehovah’s Witnesses, in particular their ban in Moscow. Covering this topic has brought us into close contact with many of its followers and we have to say that we find most of them very nice people.
However, the objections that most people have of this organization is not so much of the people that support it, but the people that run it (The Watchtower). They have been criticized for putting profit at the top of their list of priorities and there is no question that the company does indeed make a lot of money.
Is Peter Mosier just quoting quotes? Yes and No. The quotes he uses are genuine extracts from quotations found in the Watchtower’s literature, but of course he is selecting the quotes that he feels are the most interesting from his point of view.
Some of the quotations used go way back and a few have been taken from books that are no longer being printed.
One could say that Peter Mosier is “manipulating” the Watchtowers own information, but why are they so “embarrassed”, or perhaps afraid, of having these quotations published? Are the “words” of the past no longer the words of today?
The Watchtower has been accused many times of “changes” in its history and you have to wonder what other areas might be wrong and in need of change?
Many of the rules (for want of a better word) in the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization are quite good. They are against wars and follow many morally correct beliefs. Whilst there are a few “bad apples” in the faith, this is true of many other religions as well.
We tend to agree with many others that the strongest problems Jehovah’s Witnesses face is often created by their own leaders. Whilst no one expects them to change their basic beliefs, there are many areas that could be “updated” to better fit in with an ever changing world. The objections that many have to this religion are usually caused by a lack of understanding of the faith and the people who follow it.
This image could be improved if the organization was perhaps run more like a religion and less like a business? If the Watchtower are “embarrassed” about quotes from their own literature being published (in whatever form), perhaps there is something wrong with the quotations in the first place? No one is perfect in this world (certainly not humans) and there is no disgrace in admitting to errors. Surely, Jehovah’s Witnesses will not think less of the Watchtower if they accept that some older literature was less than correct and change it, some would probably see this as an act of strength not weakness. Do they think the organization will crumble if they admit to being human?
Perhaps the best option would be to correct the areas that create criticism, rather than try to gag those that are critical. This tactic is not so different to the way the Soviet Union was run. Censoring people’s views usually indicates there is something to hide!
Our article is not meant as an attack on those that belong to this faith, but we are concerned that the large number of decent, honest and trusting members involved are given the respect they have earnt with their loyalty.
Nope sorry, you can NOT spell and the grammer also sucks big time. If the early bible scribes could take down recorded history without mistakes, maybe all the religious factions would not be killing each other.
Listen here bozo, stop trying to intimidate us. We are not scared. That tactic only works with uneducated people such yourself. Go read your bible instead of wasting your time in here by trying to covert us.
To personally
No, you cannot spell shits and neither your posts make any sense! Just check this sentence as an example: —“for peoples info witnesses and the bible do not say its ok to have blood transwfusions”— does this make any sense to anyone out there who has actually graduated from primary school? No the bible does not say it is ok to use blood transfusions. No where in the bible it says it is ok to drive a car, to own a microwave, ride a train, warm food in the microwave or even use a computer but you seem to be doing all of those things. Food for thought, isn’t it???
Than you go about encouraging people not to use the internet and surely enough the society has a website, and you yourself are using the internet. Talk about hypocrisy!
If you don’t follow the leaders you must be following the followers, follower of the cult WT. No, you don’t give free books. You offer them as free and when people accept them you quickly ask for a donation. Hum, is that free??? No, you don’t pass the collection plate, but instead you have 3 or 4 boxes very well locate on the back wall of the kingdom hall where people are force to put money in, very well thought of I must say. Yes, the WT masses a huge amount of money in the magazines per year, the figures 3 years ago was around a BILLION per year just on the watchtower and awake magazines alone while the slaves like yourself donate free time that could be much better spent with your children, a neglect that the witnesses so often perform. As for the research that you encourages us to do using the bible, well dear do just that without the use of the crappy magazines (watchtower/awake) and you will find the truth yourself, not the one you believe to be (WT).
Never make a mistake thinking that leaving the JW’s is leaving God, one has nothing to do with the other.
As for us being apostates, well you don’t even know the meaning of the word, so here to educate you as according to the dictionary: –“Apostate = One who has abandoned one’s religious faith, a political party, one’s principles, or a cause.” Therefore any person who was a Democratic and becomes a Republican would be an apostate. If you were a catholic and became a JW you are in fact an apostate.
Just a reminder, no you cannot spell nor can most of the witnesses who come to this site. IT IS A FACT!
Do the time you spend here counts on your field service report????
When the bible warned about being ridiculed in his name sake, it meant Jesus name not the WT/organization/brotherhood/nitwits, or whatever you call it.
go back dont listen to these people satan wants that he spreads lies on the net like that. we do not destroy or wt’s we place them @not @homes and we have them on DVD and hardbound copies. these are lies to deter us dont listen and the rest of yu liers and apostates and ex wanna be’s ought to be ashamed but if you arent thats fine because Jehovah is yet he still loves you. you leave him because of worldly thoughts, desires and ideas or conflicts. Maybe you never sounded it down into your hearts because if you had you would have solved your differences, accepted your discipline and never left him as some apostles did Jesus. Jehovah will never leave you he is still giving you a chance. Do YOU DESERVE IT? That is between you and him.
for peoples info witnesses and the bible do not say its ok to have blood transwfusions or accept any blood product. there is other options we do use.
This sister was smart enough to think for herself and find the truth. She has a good heart to want to help people like you. You are the one who does satans bidding, your his mouthpeice and you are mean. who is the smart one now. BY THE WAY I TOO CAN SPELL.
EXCUSE ME I can spell so READ THIS you who judge and characterize and put down, YOU ARE THE DECEIVED AND BLINDED. It takes little intelligence to belittle someone. You are no different then a highschool, no ELEMENTARY school bullie. If you dont like what we say dont listen but dont slander people just to make yourself feel big and righteous. Jehovah doesn’t care if we can spell he cares about our good heart. we devote our time and our love to people like you by giving and by informing. If you don’t want it fine. God sees those who bully and slander and knows they do not have good hearts. It is by excercising faith not by spelling so go read your bible and leave my sisters and brothers alone. P>S> the bible warned us we would be ridiculed for his name sake and that is what you sir are doing.
you are an apostate and for those taht read this know that some people in the congregations even elders can be bad but the info is accurate and if you actually study this and dont listen to those who have a grudge or have been disfellowshipped spurring their lies about you would see the truth. make an informed decision dont always beleive what you here in any thing especially something so important as this. dont get your info from the internet invite them in your home and talk to them. most wittnesses avoid sights like this because of people like this person who spread lies. Me I want you readers to know that you can think for yourselves. We dont follow leaders not even the watchtower branch only Jehovah. We encourage you to look up and verify all your info with independent sources and we teach you how. we freely give out boks, we do all our own work on our buildings, we dont pass a collection plate, our elders and all of us donate our services none of us are paid and we help feed and house people, wittnesses and non wittnesses in tragedies such as Katrina. Go there ask people and see for your self. the watchtower doesnt make mass money. as for all rumors on these sights and truths such as things changing dont judge ask a wittness to explain it. this man threw his life with jehovah away and will be blood guilty for followers of his slander but you dont have to listen. Trust yourself, think and research what the bible says and what the wittnesses say and most of them that practice it. dont listen to those whom say were wittnesses, maybe they never were and maybe they did something wrong and were disciplined for it and got angry and spread lies. p.s. if any person has ever been a sex offender they can NEVER hold a possition of authority or privelages in the congregation. you fellow should go and apologize to all these people and to Jehovah and the society. UNTIL THEN I PRAY NO ONE EVER LISTENS TO YOU!!!!!!!!!
no we do not destroy old articles, we distribute them as well as have them in bound volumes going way back for our personal use.
Okay….. I read the Blog, Nice site I found and I bookmarked the site… Plan on coming back later to spend a little time there.
The evidence is already out there. Wouldn’t it be better for the WTS to admit and apologise for their mistakes. What principal do they follow? Why do they continue to deny and cover up? Wouldn’t owning up to the truth about their past and present errors make them more trustworthy witnesses of Jehovah. The early WT literature proofs that the WTS LIES about its own setting of dates and false prophesies. Who really is their father?
Tony
They are trying not to bring reproach on gods name. they are good honest people, hard working, people. Like any normal person you wouldnt want your name or your family name to be unjustly wronged because something you did in the past. Well in their case the watchtower society does not want their fathers name Jehovah wronged because the mistakes from the past.
The light indeed gets brighter but it never changes. No flip flopping.
I would just like to add that if it’s not God that they hear it is most likely satan.
What did God say about false prophets? It’s vert clear that the J.W.’S are not the voice of God.
They are not attaching God only those men who use mine control to keep the rank and file from finding out the truth. If you read the Bible, without the Watchtower telling what to read, you would see the Truth for yourself.
Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. Blueman, please don’t assume that so-called attacks mean this religion is sacred, far from it. Many have different ways of responding to comments that are so narrow-minded & naive.
It’s so easy to think that just ex-JW’s are the spiteful ones, etc. The truth in my family is that I am the only free & happy one (because I left), they are all penniless, hardly ever smile, suffer from anxiety & mental health problems to name a few. Is this the life I want, I think not.
I saw your interest in joining the religion, that is good, notice how you were attacked for your decision?Can you see the love these people have? true christains huh? not!!! i wish you well in serching for the true God, remember satan is good as a false light like these people putting down JWS.most are ex JWS because of doing something wrong so they attack Gods people.
Please see “Doctrine & Changes” and you will understand why it is so difficult to get early WT publications.
You will see why the WTS doesn’t want you to study the early books by Russell & Rutherford.
Research the old publications and see the evidence.
Bit Bizaar isnt it? Dera, your saying that they are asking to destroy all there old issues when it is quite simply untrue. They publish a CD-Rom with dates issues back atleast 40 years… Funny…
To Roseann Mattioli (Comment ID: 17715) you have my blessing to join their religion. I can see you are a follower and that is what that type of religion is good for, followers not leaders!
Obviously, you are one of those people with a brain in slow mode therefore join in and let them tell you what to do. Be another puppet and let them pull the strings.
Thanks to your article, I will be seeking to join their religion. It seems like, a few loosers are acting very spiteful toward Jehovah Witnesses. They better take a good look at themselves. It is not very attractive or becoming to be so hateful.
Good for them.
Sorry, you web page does not work. Whats wrong you did not like the response.
Roseann
Since JW’s God is the Watchtower, they will always foolishly hand their money over to them.
Not true ! The Churches don’t make you give anything. You give what you want and if you don’t want or are able too that’s okay.
Peter Mosier is acused of manipulating Watchtower info. which is exactly what the Watchtower does in order to justify their views.
I would not call the organization “good ” when they mislead so many good people who if they don’t wake up will find themselves in gehenna where they have assigned the rest of the world. They hold these people in the organization thru fear.
Shame on the WTBTS for being ashamed of their own published words. The “firm and determined” and “undaunted” Governing Body has blinked or flinched, as it were, in this neverending “time of the end”. This silly lawsuit only shows that they are supressors of the truth, and not proclaimers of it.
Corvin
Good point, here is a list of misquotes:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/booklet1.html
With regard to Skeeter’s comment on “fair use” and “free speech” laws, why isn’t someone suing Watchtower for the many misquotes that change the whole meaning in their ’should you believe in the trinity’ book? For example, According to this watchtower publication:
“Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called Jesus in his prehuman existence “a creature” but called God “the uncreated and imperishable and only true God.” He said that the Son “is next to the only omnipotent Father” but not equal to him.
These are ACTUAL quotes from Clement of Alexandria:
“There was then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; as also the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equality of substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreated.” (Clement, Fragments, Part I, section III, 190 AD)
“I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father.” (Clement, Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
Another ‘innocent’ Watchtower mistake? This book if full of them…….. Research the quotes (if you have the Freedom to do so) dont just accept them for face value, watchtower has a long history of mistakes.
Is the sky blues on the planet you live on? Do you not see all of the problems with the WTS? And still you try to protect such an unclean false prophet?
if you had intellectual property that was protected under copyright law, you would be wise to prevent others from using the same without permission too. Dont make this out to be anything more that what anyone would do to protect his/her rights!
The cult is to blame for the death of children. The Jehovah’s Witnesses cult uses mind controol and steals lives. We must spreat the word far and wide!
To Dina, post 1500 and 1501—–
Yep, you are one of the Jehovah’s witnesses, no question about it! One only has to read your posts with lots of mistakes to figure out you are a witness. It is like a curse, none of you can spell.
You cannot even spell the word witness, and you claim to be one of them?
Than you go on to talk about “paradice”. Gee, I looked the word in the dictionary and could not find it. Please tell me the kingdom hall just had new light last week and you people invent another word (paradice). What does the word “paradice” mean? Can you tell me please?
I hope you are not “supresed” with my post. Again, whatever the word “supresed” may be.
I am one of Jehovah’s Wittness and I think you should think about it alot more do you remember what they even said about them. YOU ARE THE ONE BEING BLINDED BY SATAN WRIGHT NOW. I hope the best for you to be in the truth and to be in the paradice forever, ands I bet you would love that.
Hello,Well I am one of Jehovah’s Wittness and I am very supresed that you say what you say but you are very wrong about wittness they are good people I bet that they can prove you wrong.
Hi:
Just like I was, I thought ” the truth ” was indeed the truth and that Jehovah’s Witnesses were the only true religion upon the earth. But after I left Jehovah’s Witnesses, I now know that I was blinded by Satan (2 Cor. 4:4).
Claire, let’s be nice to jean. She could be in fact a scientist. Kingdomhallish scientist that is.
Apparently any window washer, trucker driver, janitor, street sweeper at the kingdom hall of Jehovah’s witnesses is a counselor or a kindomhallish scientist. LOL
If you’re a scientist, I think you’d better get some grammar and spelling lessons. As if you’ve been through years of school! LOL
I’m very sad that that site is closed. It is a wonderful site.
birdie
To, Cris L:–The site in question (quotes. Watchtower.ca) carries a notice (in red) that states: “This research and information web site is devoted to collecting and preserving interesting and/or significant quotes from the publications of the Watch Tower Society, without additional commentary or editorial, for the purpose of scholarship and research. The quotes are accurate and verifiable, however this web site is neither affiliated with nor endorsed by Watch Tower Society.”
The quotes used are genuine extracts from quotations found in the Watchtower”’’s literature. Why than are they so “embarrassed”, or perhaps afraid, of having these quotations published? Are the “words” of the past no longer the words of today?
The Watchtower has been accused many times of “changes” in its history and you have to wonder what other areas might be wrong and in need of change?
One must agree with many others that the strongest problems Jehovah’s Witnesses face is often created by their own leaders. Whilst no one expects them to change their basic beliefs, there are many areas that could be “updated” to better fit in with an ever-changing world!
This image could be improved if the organization was perhaps run more like a religion and less like a business? If the Watchtower is “embarrassed” about quotes from their own literature being published (in whatever form), perhaps there is something wrong with the quotations in the first place? No one is perfect in this world (certainly not humans) and there is no disgrace in admitting to errors. Surely, Jehovah’s Witnesses will not think less of the Watchtower if they accept that some older literature was less than correct and change it, some would probably see this as an act of strength not weakness. However than, they would have to admit that they have been getting the information from the wrong channel, apparently not from Jehovah as claimed. Do they think the organization will crumble if people find out they are not the true religion??? Food for thought!
Quotes will never go out of business, I have placed many quotes on this website. So far far they have not sued me. They wont even come to my door, my dog bites and they found it the hard way. Apparently they could not see the sign (be aware of the dog, not trespassing). I have it all on camera.-
It’s seems “Quotes” lost the battle.
What happen to Quotes website?
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
Quote of the day.
“Quote website is shutdown”
To: FYI
Calm down buddy.
To: FYI
Who said there’s anything wrong with quoting the WT?
To Teddy V.—-What is so wrong about quoting the WT? If you are embarrassed of what you said keep your mouth shut and we wont quote you.
Now, as long as you (WT) will come up with false prophesies someone will be there to quote you.
Have you ever heard: “the truth will set you free?”
I don’t think it’s shame, because there are a lot worst websites that are out there that quote, trash talk and attack the Watchtower.
There’s probably some other things that we don’t know about going on with Quotes.
Because looking from the outside I would sue some of these other sites.
Can you imagine Jesus Christ suing people for quoting him?
How Christian is that?
So why is the Watchtower (a billion-dollar-a-year non-profit whose board of directors/Governing Body claims to be “God’s channel of communication” to the human race, fighting a one-man website that quotes their own out-of-date publications–many of which are free for the taking at any laundrymat in North America? Did God tell them to do that?
The bible quotes the great Jewish Sage, Gameliel, as having said ‘…if it is not of God it will fail of it’s own’. Good advice from God’s word that all Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be so familiar with. So they must be choosing to ignore it. It begs the question, Why?
“Embarrasment?” they say. I’d say it is a case of “shame”.
Let the Courts decide.
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