Watchtower take legal action against site that quotes their Quotes!
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have initiated legal proceedings against Peter Mosier, who has been displaying “Quotes” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses publication on his website. The law suit seeks a reported $100,000 in damages and a court order to silence the website.
The WatchTower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania have initiated legal proceedings against Peter Mosier, who has been displaying “Quotes” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses publication on his website.
Peter Mosier’s site http://quotes.watchtower.ca has used excerpts from the WatchTower’s own religious literature, which has been printed and distributed free of charge for many years.
The law suit seeks a reported $100,000 in damages and a court order to silence the website.
The site in question carries a notice (in red) that states: “This research and information web site is devoted to collecting and preserving interesting and/or significant quotes from the publications of the Watch Tower Society, without additional commentary or editorial, for the purpose of scholarship and research. The quotes are accurate and verifiable, however this web site is neither affiliated with nor endorsed by Watch Tower Society.”
We understand that Peter Mosier is a former Jehovah’s Witness.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are often considered a “cult” by many and it is not unusual to see former Jehovah’s Witnesses speaking out against this organization. It is true that they have many traditions and rules that most find strange, and in some cases unacceptable.
Our other site (Profindpages) has written a number of articles on Jehovah’s Witnesses, in particular their ban in Moscow. Covering this topic has brought us into close contact with many of its followers and we have to say that we find most of them very nice people.
However, the objections that most people have of this organization is not so much of the people that support it, but the people that run it (The Watchtower). They have been criticized for putting profit at the top of their list of priorities and there is no question that the company does indeed make a lot of money.
Is Peter Mosier just quoting quotes? Yes and No. The quotes he uses are genuine extracts from quotations found in the Watchtower’s literature, but of course he is selecting the quotes that he feels are the most interesting from his point of view.
Some of the quotations used go way back and a few have been taken from books that are no longer being printed.
One could say that Peter Mosier is “manipulating” the Watchtowers own information, but why are they so “embarrassed”, or perhaps afraid, of having these quotations published? Are the “words” of the past no longer the words of today?
The Watchtower has been accused many times of “changes” in its history and you have to wonder what other areas might be wrong and in need of change?
Many of the rules (for want of a better word) in the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization are quite good. They are against wars and follow many morally correct beliefs. Whilst there are a few “bad apples” in the faith, this is true of many other religions as well.
We tend to agree with many others that the strongest problems Jehovah’s Witnesses face is often created by their own leaders. Whilst no one expects them to change their basic beliefs, there are many areas that could be “updated” to better fit in with an ever changing world. The objections that many have to this religion are usually caused by a lack of understanding of the faith and the people who follow it.
This image could be improved if the organization was perhaps run more like a religion and less like a business? If the Watchtower are “embarrassed” about quotes from their own literature being published (in whatever form), perhaps there is something wrong with the quotations in the first place? No one is perfect in this world (certainly not humans) and there is no disgrace in admitting to errors. Surely, Jehovah’s Witnesses will not think less of the Watchtower if they accept that some older literature was less than correct and change it, some would probably see this as an act of strength not weakness. Do they think the organization will crumble if they admit to being human?
Perhaps the best option would be to correct the areas that create criticism, rather than try to gag those that are critical. This tactic is not so different to the way the Soviet Union was run. Censoring people’s views usually indicates there is something to hide!
Our article is not meant as an attack on those that belong to this faith, but we are concerned that the large number of decent, honest and trusting members involved are given the respect they have earnt with their loyalty.
This sounds extremely racist. Not in a specific genome type or culture racism, but could it be called spiritual or intellectual racism? What anonymous is saying is that he/she has been chosen by God to live everlasting life on a paradise earth.
On the other hand, I am going to die at Armageddon because God has decided he doesn’t like me and that my heart is full of wickedness.
I do not believe this to be the case. I am always striving to find out the truth with an open mind. My search has made me come into contact with many religions/theories and I count myself highly knowledgable in many areas. However, one thing I cannot say is that I have the whole puzzle. Perhaps it is beyond man to know the whole puzzle, who knows?
I do know that in the scriptures we are urged to ‘keep seeking the truth’ Note, not keep reading what it says in the Watchtower or any literature that has a JW seal of approval. Surely by reading every side of every argument the truth will become apparent. With this in mind why are JW’s very actively discouraged from anything that is not written by the WTBTS?
One thing I can definitely say is that the JW leaders have shown time and time again that they are not from the True God. It is obvious that they can’t be otherwise God is playing a terribly cruel game with them. I think it is more likely that power hungry men are actually playing the cruellest games with the rank and file JW.
I believe the organisation is set up to actually stop people researching religion/the bible. Substititing ancient accounts with the Watchtower interpretation blinds JW’s yet they actually believe they are spiritually and knowledgably the greatest researchers of the bible in the world! Personally I have never met a JW who ever demonstrated their bible knowledge to great effect. Rather they repeat the same old tired scriptures like Matthew 24:14 to prove to themselves that they are these ‘chosen people’ They use these scriptures like some sort of mantra and I can tell that the meaning of the words contained in the scripture has been lost. – Sometimes they even just use the scripture reference to get a point across without actually quoting it! Just like if you repeat a word over and over it loses it’s meaning. (Read about NLP Neuro-Linguistic Programming – fascinating) All this has made the JW lazy in his/her understanding of the bible. It doesn’t matter what anyone else says anyway because they belong to Satan!!
According to them,the reason that religious scholars who have actually devoted their lives to the bible do not understand it is because Satan is blinding them!
One more thing I find interesting is this and it relates to the thread about the Peter Mosier gagging order. JW’s believe that the world is as it is now because Satan is in charge of it. In a nutshell the idea is God was in charge of the world but Satan set a challenge to God that he could run the world affairs just as well as Jehovah God/humans could govern themselves without Gods guiding hand. Did Jehovah God set a gagging order against Satan and sue him for this blatant slander? Errrrr NO actually the whole idea is that God couldn’t do that because it seemed heavy handed and the challenge had to be allowed to prove itself otherwise. Because if not, Jehovah God would have people doubting his word as the correct word. WTBTS please take note of this. Your actions completely in contradiction to the ideals of your God!! You are suing a person for money for which you say you will very soon have no use! Surely God will take care of things without the need for you to get ‘worldly’ courts involved. In fact you are just opening yourself to ever more criticism. Funny how you encourage your followers to give up careers and jobs and livelihoods and that ‘God will provide’. Why not in this case let God provide?
wow, you mange to to post the same information 9 times. Among from other problems do you suffer from Copy and Paste?
you who judge and characterize and put down, YOU ARE THE DECEIVED AND BLINDED.
It takes little intelligence to belittle someone.
You are no different then a highschool, no ELEMENTARY school bullie.
No comment
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Roseann,
Obviously you are already a member of the WBTS – nobody else, in their right mind, would make suck a rash decision based on some “loosers”‘ comments on a blog.
Pretty imprudent of you….
Evariste
?”You will have to know the truth and the truth will set you free” John 8 verse 32 All the above indicates the prophetic word at Matthew 24 verse 12 is taking place that is “because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off”. Has not the above caused a “Cooling off”? But if the “Constant feature” of all “Organized Religion” was removed that conducted itself in error would the “cooling off” come to an end? For instance note verse 14 that followed the end would come after the good news preaching”. Hence preaching which Jehovah’s Witnesses are known for is a requirement however “lawlessness lead to cooling off” but endurance to end in faith is the one whom can be saved according to verse 13!
So “knowing the truth sets us free” from apostasy but endurance to the end is required regardless of Organizational error of any Governing Body, true?
So APOSTLE Peter put it this way “what sort of people ort you PROVE TO BE”.
Encourage all faithful persons to “put error of those whom conduct themselves in error behind and focus on your faith and endure to the end and mark apostate criticism with apostate teaching from God’s Word!
At the end of the day who can change such ones on both sides of apostasy? In event an Organized Governing Body Apostasies from scripture and marks those whom point out their error or whether some others whom unfoundedly criticise Jehovah’s Witnessing teaching it is only God’s Word as revealed to the “Discreet slave class” feeding the correction “food” that is approved by their master when he arrives at Matthew 24 and Luke 12 that will be rewarded.
Hence which one of those whom posted a entry either on this web sight or on Jehovah’s Witnesses Official Web sight are Christ Jesus hence remember we all have to be approved yet? Humility dicatates patience and endurance.
It could hardly be argued that the Watchtower and its Governing Body are not standing on shaky ground if it rests on its own virtues and clings to “Doctrines of men” when Jesus in Matthew 15 rightly condemned such as “that form of worship being futile”. It is of note that the District Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses is claiming to be qualified to teach others of how to “Follow Christ” coming soon to a location near you. The question arises how do they justify their having taken legal action against “Peter Mosier” when Christ said leave them alone it seems like they may well have identified whom their real “Spiritual Farther is”?
The problem mainstream Jehovah’s Witnesses have is where do they go when the society are quick to point out the scripture Christ said when many left him when he said “You have the sayings of everlasting life”. Hence the sayings “of everlasting life” is a powerful tool against leaving and as commented above the Book “Paradise Restored” published 1972 Chapter 20 from paragraphs 41 through to 44 gives a good supportive account that the mentioned “abuse of power” of it seems the Organization Governing Body is about to come to its completition. The short anwser stay put!
It points out that those within “God’s household of faith turn on their faithful brothers in an abuse of power”. The response above (near top comments) highlighting this information does emphasis “an abuse of power”. It could hardly then apply to those accused of being ex-witnesses because they are not in power hence the earlier explanation if correct does point to actions consistent with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses wielding such power.
What happened to “Peter Mosier” and others only serves to add to their own advises and their own earlier “flash of spiritual light” given what they did to Peter Mosier it would follow they would not want the Truth to set the “Domestics free” in Matthew 24 verse 45 from the “Truth of their own actions outside the congregations in courts of law against their former brothers or in failing to apply the Golden Rule “DO Unto Others What they would want Did TO Them” the teaching Christ Jesus taught hence the District Convention Theme is “Follow Christ” may be quite interesting how they may develop that with a clear conscience?
It’s the “Good News” to be preached not legal action to prevent exposure of Organizational Teaching that may have taught errors in Good News?
The “Wicked slave” is noted for its beating of its fellow brothers as pointed out only the Organization is in a position to actually beat their brothers “but now the truths out to set free”.
The other witnesses accordingly are not evidently held bloodguilty for Organizational beating from Governing Body as the scriptures in Luke 12 show clearly those doing the beating get cut of hence the days of such structure are numbered by their own willful actions but the average Jehovah’s Witnesses it seems will be spared only its leaders are to be judged!
When a similar situation occurred in Jesus day “he said leave them alone a blind man cannot guide a blind man” so hence this as well condemns their actions against Peter Mosier taking him to court and seeking to silence him. Additionally Jesus stated the rule to apply “watch out for the leaven” which equated to corrupt teaching of religious leaders in his day which still is as relevant in our day to the religious teaches of Jehovah’s Witnesses must be “marked as leaven” if proven wrong. Also Jesus in keeping did not condemn the common people but just merely stated “watch out for the leaven” hence Jesus himself gives the answer to retain your faith as Jehovah’s Witnesses and “watch out for any leaven in congregational meetings until Jesus Arrives and may remove such in accordance with the above and how “Paradise Restored” Book chapter 20 paragraph 43-44 indicates he will cut of such leaven as indicated.
Hence encourage all Jehovah’s Witnesses to remain faithful and all ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to revise your faith and no longer need to criticise errors of the Organization Teaching and stumble and fall victim to Matthew 24 verse 12 “love fall away” but rather “endure to the end to get saved” along with your former brothers and sisters “whom are preaching the good news”. Both you and them cannot change what the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing as their book correctly pointed out in 1972 it was inevitable that an “abuse of power” was to arrive signalling that the time for Divine Intervention is almost arrived to remove “constant feature of Oppressive Organized Religion a trade mark of Babylon the Great spoken of in Revelation chapter 17 and that God was going to put it into the hearts of “leaders” verse 17 to attack and devastate her and in event the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not repent of their former sins then their complaint is not with man but Jehovah God their God. If they refuse to separate from holding onto Organization Governing Body like Christendom when Revelation 18 verse 4 states get out of her that is their choice.
This also harmonizes with fact that the “blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the ones bearing witness to Jesus” in Revelation 17 verse 6 may point to them by their actions of first attacking those anointed that point out their error so their symbolic blood is spilt. This in no way removes the blood guilt of all other Organized religion being a part of the blood spilling.
Secondly by keeping those in the congregations under their control concealing their sins from them by insisting upon only what comes from the Governing Body is from God they in doing so symbolically may be seen that these even so do “bear witnesses to Jesus” in their witnessing work but are symbolically spilling their blood as it were by conducting them in error. From God’s point of view they may be likened to being “drunk” with religious error for instance if the Governing Body Doctrine is repeated in publications over 2000 times will it not become like a branding iron in their consciences that they never question it or game to.
This also harmonizes with the fact it is a religious harlot Organization containing all such types of religion and it is this that constitutes the harlot because of its controlling influence.
Hence at Revelation 18 verse 4 God asks all to come out of all such Controlling Organized Religion and the account of the “Wicked Slave” and above means “mark wrong teaching” being aware that God searches “hearts not heads” and he can see if you have marked a wrong doctrine so in this way you can remain a Jehovah’s Witness but “mark wrong doctrine”.
This would mean you refrain from giving answers at meetings upon doctrines your conscience to God may be troubled over and wait for God and the judging as in above book.
Those in other Organized religion may leave such and attend meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses to learn more about the basic teachings of the Bible and mark the Governing Body teaching or Organizational teaching in event it is not scriptural from your “personal” study.
Jehovah searches hearts and knows your dedication when it may take place in event cannot be baptised due to this fact prepare yourself when the time is right for any removal of that which is restricting your baptism being done away the removal of the Organizational Governing Body and each one give according to your heart scripturally to those in need fiscally.
Jehovah is a just God he will not put it off indefinitely and he will discipline his people! Judgement starts with the “house of God” Bethel means “House of God”, so the scriptures foretold that Bethel will be judged “First” then all other religion follow’s rather than the Watchtower claiming approval first.
To those whom have disassociated wait for God he will not be late apply Bible Principles and if have fallen from your dedication rekindle your faith based upon current events point to intervention as pointed out in the “Paradise Restored” book of Jehovah’s Witnesses 1972.
Remember only those “whom endure to the end get saved”, Matthew 24:13. Use this time to make sure of your Christ like personality is conforming to God’s Word and Standards within his word and avoid judging leave that to the one whom is able to save and destroy and “mark false teaching if leaven”. Avoid being critical of others just merely identify if an error exists.
Psalm 27:14 says “Wait on the LORD [Jehovah]; Be of Good Courage, And He shall strengthen Your Heart; Wait, I say, on the LORD [Jehovah]! “
?Please re-consider “faith” to remain a disciple of Christ as one of “the other flock”? If you were of the anointed class you would not have doubts hence it is of those ones responsibility to refresh those whom have bowed low and wait for Christ? The answer to most of the disillusion mentioned not only in your comments but all rests with certain false doctrines in which the organization is clinging to that the Governing Body seems not to be aware of. This is so because of the “Wicked Slave Class” prophecy read Luke 12:45-48 then compare that with comments of chapter 20 paragraphs 39-47 of the “Paradise Restored” 1972 Book published by Watchtower and particularly paragraphs 43 & 44 Climaxes in effect an “abuse of power” of those of the “anointed class” against their fellow brothers of the household of faith. Whilst it is true there is “new light” modifying the fact that the angels have not come yet to cut of the “goats” and watchtower fails to admit that 1919 is unsustainable for being appointed over “All Christ’s possessions” “until they go to heaven as “angels are a part of Christ’s possessions” modifying the Revelation interpretation of the angels not being the anointed in God’s right hand whilst on earth but rather “massagers from God” real angels changes the whole complexion of the appointments and Governing Body thinking as erred coping Christendom rulership as unscriptural as many Governing Body former members came out of a Governing Body mentality. Hence they simply copied it but the Acts 15 Account stated the Apostles did not leave the room nor did they return when the “Whole congregation was listening” in verse 22 and verse 8 stated a multitude was listening not the description of a small group of a Governing Body even though they wrote the letter in context hence no back room elders meetings and brief announcements out the front as erred.
Faced with exposure certain ones react with “false marking” a practise Christendom employed but which it appears the Governing Body now copycats to attempt to maintain its position like Christe3ndom. Hence Revelation 18:4 states “come out of her my people” in this context simply means leave false doctrine behind as the above explanation in the “Paradise Restored Chapter 20″ indicates “an abuse of power” by those in charge at Watchtower was inevitable to finally occur. The encouragement is that the account in Luke 12: verses 45-48 indicates those who “did not understand…will be beaten with few” (that may apply to people like yourself if remain in faith until Christ removes Governing Body and Bethel before Christendom judgement as a complete shock to Bethel), but the “slave that understood …will be beaten with many strokes” ( equates to those whom have no protection due to Organizational abuse of power until removed) and the “wicked slave” (only Governing Body has power to beat by printed page Watchtowers in false marking of those whom expose their errors and by legal actions to silence those unjustly) will be cut of by his master (CHRIST Jesus) unexpected before Christendom faces execution for the reason they take God’s name by not letting loss of the Governing Body doctrine to Separate from Christendom whom also have a governing body mentality (of which they have not yet separated from) and also take donations to build congregations when the only scriptural donations taken where to distribute to the famine victims. All this is using power for the wrong reasons as at PENTECOST the 120 were already in a “built upper chamber” no collections were ever taken to build literal buildings for congregational use only homes where used a fact. Jesus outlawed practise John 4:23-24 whereby the only two requirements for true worship were “God’s Spirit and his Word” if you sort his Spirit to understand his word he promised this was acceptable to him.
Governing Body have forgotten that the entire Bible was written by men whom lived at different times to one another and whom had been “born along by Holy Spirit” to write down God’s thoughts not man’s and all was in “harmony with his will”. How then do they need a centralized Governing Body, so Jehovah God has to narrow his “Spirit to man’s will”? Like Christendom it allows for manipulation of the masses or dedicated persons to come under control of them not God. When Paul visited Jerusalem latter in Acts “no Apostles” where present yet years latter Apostle John wrote Revelation. Does that mean “Governing Body” was run by so called elders or correctly speaking “older ones” latter in Acts while absent?
When people exercise “faith” nothing should prevent their getting baptized see Acts 8:36? In Acts about 12 where baptised another occasion about 3,000 and another occasion all of a “Gentiles house and that included his unumbered servants”. This exposes another error that of numbering those getting baptised as a part of controlling those allowed to be baptised, true? The Acts account gives no credit to numbering baptismal persons at all!
The Organizational structure of Jehovah’s Witnesses as you no prevent ones witnessing unless they accept the Governing Body doctrine. In turn they cannot get baptized unless they profess the Governing Body doctrine true? Did not Taze Russell claim in effect that the “Spirit removal” would indicate God’s disapproval and it would be time to not proceed? The peak in Baptisms’s of Jehovah’s Witnesses toward end of 90’s peaked at 375,000 odd now its down under 250,000 and dropping consistently are they going to ignore removal of God’s Spirit? Further “meat belongs to mature people whom have their perceptive powers discerned to know Right from Wrong”, true? If the Governing Body qualified for the “meat” how is it that for instance their “Warning Examples for our Day” 2002 claimed “Jamin of the Tribe of Simeon” was “born in the Wilderness after leaving Egypt ” some 200 plus years of his actual Brith before going down into Egypt in the days of the famine according to Genesis 46:10?
The reasons is the video by “falsifying dates” applied Simeon’s son Jamin as living after his father died because he died in Egypt and opened up the way for the “blind teaching” of “young ones going and seeing the elders behind closed doors” to enlighten them rather than their fathers under headship being obligated to instruct them hence “dividing houses” and paving the way to recruit young ones for Bethel service by serving Jehovah more fully rather than seeking counsel from their family first the video cultivated such thinking targeting youth.
Take away the “Governing Body doctrine and the collection of donations and the organization would fold and they would have to practise what they preach without any protections of a legal department purely to protect Bethel. Judgement starts with the “house of God”. Bethel means “house of God”! The scriptures state the apostasy must come first what you and others have experienced is that apostasy not of those exposing error but those whom cannot support their ‘Faith by accurate knowledge” and wait for God to send his executioner against all “Organized false doctrine” and deliver all those “groaning over the detestable things happening in our mist”. The witnesses manipulated by error will remain those doi9ng the manipulation will be removed by Christ upon his arrival with his powerful angels. Amos 3:7. (Not do single thing until reveal to his prophets hence prophets have to warn others be free from bloodguilt).
Jesus asked the question “who really is his faithful discreet slave giving food at proper time”? Has the evidence indicated Bethel has relinquished any rightful claim to be of this class if they fail test of true desciple?
Has Jesus arrived yet what did the new light of the “Sheep and the Goats’ in Watchtower 1995 state? It is in the future hence another error 1919 cannot be appointed over all his belongings then as Christ had not then arrived also they were celebrating birthdays at Bethel in 1925 a “claimed prohibition for Jehovah’s Witnesses” if he inspected them then he would have “removed them from their appointment”. Hence it is rightly so when he comes at end when inspection takes place he himself indicated this by saying “not knowing when coming”. (Mt 24:42)
That it would not be until he came at finish “with angels” to judge “Sheep and Goats” hence the application of his “anointed brothers being ill-treated fits harmony with Bible” and that the Witnesses really do not know whom Christ’s real brothers are as they ask same question as goats see Matthew 25:37-40 & 44-45 Hence your Bible and God’s Spirit assisting you to study the sign of Christ gave and “stay awake to the real meaning” behind events and “wait” for God so many times is emphasised through the scriptures hence “wait”! Also Remeber the “light gets brighter as day of Jehvoah gets nearer” hence as things become more clear naturally adjustments are made!
As have attempted to indicate “we live in diffecult times hard to deal with”
added to this is the problems above indicated designed to weaken ones faith. The above in explaining some underling reasons why so much wrong attempts to point to relevant scriptures and certain established meaning to strengthen those of faith powers of endurance and give a plausable explanation why Watchtower ORganization has acted the way it has and what the scriptures seem to indicate is about to happen to remove reproach from God’s name and “speed up those that man cannot number” when the “constant feature” of Organized religion is removed then what will prevent untold numbers getting baptised in fore fillement of Revelation?
Does not the CopyRight Law also include what Jehovah’s Witnesses write? I feel they have every reason to sue as their writings are being used to be twisted and turned by opposers. You can bet, if the situation was reversed there would be one heck of a scandal
To all readers; The person telling you about ol’ CT.Russell and his failed prophesies is quite correct. In fact if and when any poor misguided “witnesses” come to your door, if you wish to speak of any of these “older teachings” and other information like C.T.Russel’s masonic background and his Rosicrution membership as evidenced by the “CROSS and CROWN” used back then (KNIGHTS TEMPLAR) symbolism that is exclusivly masonic copyright; they will flee, with shocked expressions; afraid of facing anything that threatens their soft little place of concealment from “Satan’s World”. Like most all religeons worldwide, the WT society was always a hidden Masonic asset and remains so. All one has to do is a little HONEST research to find out. Sincerly; Your brother
dear sofia. the society can never bring reproach upon the true God’s name. their lies and false teaching do’es not hurt the true GOD. Know why ? Because the Watchtower has lied so much that now the Society serves the Satan. …. See, the god of this world is a liar and when you lie and teach lies you are serving the father of the lie.. So, if you are not really serving the true God your lies can not bring reproach upon Him, but can make the devil pretty happy. But how should one know this when they believe their own lies? Whats real is that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society brings reproach upon themselves in the eyes of the true God..Not the other way ! Thats ass -backbards!
Watchtower publications are given free now. ..Do you mean at the door or at their Kingdom Hall when members [ called publishers ] pick them up for distibution? I bet the Watchtower Society don’t give them away free and saying so is misleading. Of course we’re talking of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society which has always been misleading. Why; their main tatic is to lie and mislead. …. Don’t believe it ? Study their publications. Go ahead. Start with Russell. I won’t say he lied so much. Just a lot of false prophecy. …. Now Bro. Rutherford started the trend toward out right lying plus phony prophecy. After him their principle liar was Bro. Franz. The Society has depended on lies to the point that they HAVE TO PROGRESSIVLY LIE NOW or they would fall. Which they will along with the rest of Babylon the Great and all the other liars in religions and governments.
I do not know what the truth is. I was a JW for over thirty years. I am not now. People ask me, “What religon are you a member of?” My reply is “The bible.” I try to be the best person I can. Many people think those who are in charge of the New York office are manking money from the watch tower and awake. Yes they make money from that. Anyone recall when they started giving away the watchtower and awake for free? The people borrow money from NY to build the kingdom halls. Repay the loans, then turn ownership over to NY. When they are sold, which they always are to build larger ones, the money belongs to NY! I do not know what the truth is.I try like jesus said.,”Follow no man, but rather the word of his father.”
Can you tell me which mag said that all old mags are to be destroyed? (date of issue)
- Old mags are still being used and refered too
Also have any persons asked a JW directly about the use of blood using evidence from the bible? (being objective)
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I appreciate your comment. My family and I are just leaving this religion after 3 1/2 years for a lot of the reasons mentioned. There are a lot of good people being misled by bad leadership. We found original witness publications from the 20’s on ebay and found a lot of inconsistancies. When we questioned the beliefs, we always got the new light ploy and were told that we would be destroyed at armagedon for deciding to leave the organization. They also called my wife while I was at work to slander me and devide our marriage to keep her and my children in. Unfortunately, although I wrote the letter of disassociation, she was the one that originally said she was done. I hope that by our actions, others will have the courage to follow the example of the Bereans to examine and see if the beliefs they hold dear are true.
Thanks, Bill
Hey Jones,
Had a bit of bother finding it myself, eventually patience prevailed.
Cheers,
Markus
Jones,
First letter in line, read vertically with the next saves time. You should read the MAD magazine, it really points out the lighter side of life.
Cheers,
Markus
Markus,
I’m working on it!
Hey Jones,
If you like I can send you some pics of my last fishing
trip with my kids taken last July, winter here for us but still pretty good. Pity my children do not live with me, but with their mom, my ex in Holland. I only get to see them once a year for 8 weeks, not too bad if you consider most Dad’s get to see their kids only every other weekend.
My mail address is in the paragraph below, see if you can figure it out, send a mail to me and I will send the pics. It’s similar to a mad fold in, only fold the page so only the first letters can be read. I have this sneaky feeling you will kind of enjoy figuring this out.
many people feel the need to
love jesus, I have tried, but I am now very
decisive in my views and I
echo them on this site,
and it may be
candidly outrageous or
silly, however I think giving to the poor
@ every opportunity makes me less
wayward in my beliefs,
i though still stand fast in my
resolve and will only
echo my cause to prevent so many people wasting their
lives and thus I say to
each and every one how
sad I feel for I am and so
sorry for them….
……. What more can I say, I
cannot think of anything more to convince anyone,
or what to do. It’s almost like talking………
…. with gaps or to a
zulu savage, but the
amazing thing is they are certainly not savages.
The intellectual property in question dates back, in many cases, before 1900. The copyright has likely gone out of date on these, and the publications should have gone into the public domain. This might be a valid objection for a for-profit book, but for a piece that is supposed to be for worldwide distribution, this is going a bit far. Back when the publications were new, they were in fact trying to place as many as possible. And they are supposed to be doing this on a non-profit basis. The fact that they reprint things means nothing if the originals are still in circulation and contradict the reprints. The last I knew, copyrights go out of date 70 years after the original author dies (at least with music). If Russell died in 1916, the copyright should have gone out of date in 1986. It is now 2006, and this means that any original piece that Russell has done should be on the public domain. Reprints that contradict that should be classified as new original works and subject to a separate copyright.
Another thing is that copyrights are supposed to prevent people from usurping the value from someone else’s original work. If I publish a commercial work and someone else then posts it on the Internet while my copyright is still in place, and my work is still commercially active, the other person is stealing (like someone putting a hot new LP on LimeWire the day after release, and then spreading it without the due artist getting due compensation for it.) But, if someone copyrights a work and then sits on it, this is merely an attempt to kill that work. That was not the original purpose for the copyright act. In this case, looking up the original articles on other sites is no worse than when I download a rare original version of some disco classic from LiimeWire when the versions that are currently available are all corrupt or tampered with. And when this is done in an attempt to prevent truth seekers from finding the real truth that they are entitled to, and need before commiting to the organization, this is downright dishonest. And that’s what the Watchtower Society is doing–not just protecting a profitable product from usurpation, but trying to keep people coming in under false pretenses. This needs to stop. I hope that any jurors going in to try such cases see that the Watchtower Society is merely trying to keep people from finding out the real facts and finds the Web sites not liable on infringement.
Not only deaths, but disability. Children who are raised in this cult are discouraged from doing their best in school. They have to put so much time in service that they have little or none for school work. They also have meetings that can extend to past 10:00 PM on school nights. They are expected to sit still and quietly for hours at a time, and many get spanked for not doing so every meeting. This is not good for childreh–they NEED to play, explore, and learn in order to develop properly. Plus many are molested (see http://www.silentlambs.org if you don’t believe me). To me, this steals the value of their lives. And there are the ones who die from the blood issue or who are murdered, or killed in accidents while out in service.
True, they do put out reprints on CD-ROMs. They also have reprinted volumes of many books and articles. There is one major problem with reprints: This gives them an opportunity to tamper with the originals. Key words are altered to fit in with the “new light”, and whole paragraphs are often rewritten to fit new doctrine. In this way, they dishonestly obliterate the original doctrine while providing the illusion of the new doctrine’s always having been. If you don’t believe me, I invite you to look at http://www.watchthetower.com for some specific examples of where doctrine has been altered.
This reminds me of what sometimes happens in movie and music reissues. Occasionally a movie is doctored up to spice it up. Songs are occasionally remixed or shortened, and the original version is lost, when remastered from vinyl to CDs. However, something that people are supposed to live by, that is tampered with in a dishonest way, is far worse than entertainment that is tampered with for profit or due to laziness or a bad source tape. The Watchtower Society’s “reprints” do tamper with key passages, and the quotes site tried to reveal the actual originals. That’s why the Society silenced them–because the untouched originals embarrassed them when compared to the reprints. I only hope that the originals get published once the original copyrights expire and the works get placed on the public domain. Then someone can research the 1799 date out of accurate originals and then compare them with still-copyrighted reprints with a much later date.
To personally,
I think you forgot to mention ex brother Joe Harry who
left the truth and got run over by a battle tank the next day. Does not this HORSESHIT story sound familiar?
Cheers,
Markus
Could you please take your elementary & infantile intelligence somewhere else? God may well see those with less than Christ like compassion as wrong, however what do you think he thinks of the Watchtower Society?
Everything you just stated here (what I can undertsnad that is) should be applied to yourself first before hypocritically forcing it on anyone else.
Make an informed decision? You really mean that the JW way is the only way right? So despite their history of false prophecy (in fact how about name one prediction they stated that came true???), protecting of pedophiles and their own bloodguilty image, involvement with the U.N. as a NGO, outright lying & dishonesty & ridiculously conceived doctrinal foundations (even the use of spiritualism, occult & pyramids) you wish to propose this on people like it’s the truth? Where is the truth in this?
I am not sure about any claim regarding destroying of older articles, however the Watchtower is stupid enough to leave old articles in place that easily reveal their long history of false prophecy.