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		<title>By: The Conscious Class</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Conscious Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served as an elder for over a decade. I taught at KM School, Circuit and District Conventions.....there is nothing more difficult than coming to the realization you&#039;ve wasted your life in a man made cult. 

The WTBTS is a business. They make money, move real estate, publish books. The common &#039;publisher&#039; (absurd title) is of little interest to anyone at Brooklyn Bethel. I&#039;ve been there twice....they could care less. They are the two &#039;passers by&#039; in Jesus illustration of the Good Samaritan....they could care less what happens to a &#039;little one&#039;...... I feel very, very sorry for many JWs....they are so filled with cognitive dissonance that there is virtually nothing you can do to help them....when you do have a breakthrough, its so emotionally devastating....it can take years to pick up the pieces.

Good for this couple!! Sue them for all the &#039;donations&#039; they have stole from people......never mind the irony of telling everyone to stay away from higher education.....ooooop.....but they were more than happy to use them as chiropractors!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served as an elder for over a decade. I taught at KM School, Circuit and District Conventions&#8230;..there is nothing more difficult than coming to the realization you&#8217;ve wasted your life in a man made cult. </p>
<p>The WTBTS is a business. They make money, move real estate, publish books. The common &#8216;publisher&#8217; (absurd title) is of little interest to anyone at Brooklyn Bethel. I&#8217;ve been there twice&#8230;.they could care less. They are the two &#8216;passers by&#8217; in Jesus illustration of the Good Samaritan&#8230;.they could care less what happens to a &#8216;little one&#8217;&#8230;&#8230; I feel very, very sorry for many JWs&#8230;.they are so filled with cognitive dissonance that there is virtually nothing you can do to help them&#8230;.when you do have a breakthrough, its so emotionally devastating&#8230;.it can take years to pick up the pieces.</p>
<p>Good for this couple!! Sue them for all the &#8216;donations&#8217; they have stole from people&#8230;&#8230;never mind the irony of telling everyone to stay away from higher education&#8230;..ooooop&#8230;..but they were more than happy to use them as chiropractors!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all,URGENT.If you have any original copies of JW flase prophecies,Medical related literatures and other items please, please send me a scanned copy to below said mail ID.Very urgent for me to rescue few deaf and dump JW (I can convince by showing some)am a born again Christian from Kerala India and My email ID is manwithlove2010@gmail.com  please remember to send me some..I beg to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all,URGENT.If you have any original copies of JW flase prophecies,Medical related literatures and other items please, please send me a scanned copy to below said mail ID.Very urgent for me to rescue few deaf and dump JW (I can convince by showing some)am a born again Christian from Kerala India and My email ID is <a href="mailto:manwithlove2010@gmail.com">manwithlove2010@gmail.com</a>  please remember to send me some..I beg to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad you guys who are ex-JW&#039;s thought a bit further than what is supposed to be ‘obvious’ truths, stuff we were conditioned to believe and practice all along. And woe betide if you stepped out of line. Then you get ‘corrected’, berated, counselled  or df’ed or whatever – all part of the controlling process. (I sometimes wonder if the JW&#039;s think they can df individuals also out of LIFE - since an individual is unrepentant...)  

Now, you and I, have been free…to think, feel and do as WE please. What a relief it was for me initially to wake up on a Sunday morning and realize I have the whole day to myself. It’s glorious to BE one’s self, to discover your spiritual self your   Higher self, you True self. Once one is involved in / with religion, you are not supposed to know or be yourself, because then you can’t be controlled anymore. That fact alone, must confuse / piss them  (the JW’s) off so much, since you are just YOURSELF. Most people hide behind a cloak of religion, out of fear. Once the cloak is removed, their true selves may just be revealed. Consequently, the masses are gripped by FEAR in religion.  And religion dictates through fear what your punishment and/or destiny will be. 

The witnesses profess to be an organization. Damn right, a religious organization. They do exactly like all churches do  - they all worship in one common building, they pray, they sing songs and someone preaches from a platform/pulpit and they ALL use the same (Black) Book they base their beliefs on; just in different variations…and there are always subjects who are all ears… 

“The truth,  the truth,  the truth”….(sound familiar?) My question is: WHAT  ABOUT  THE  TRUTH  ABOUT  YOURSELF ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad you guys who are ex-JW&#8217;s thought a bit further than what is supposed to be ‘obvious’ truths, stuff we were conditioned to believe and practice all along. And woe betide if you stepped out of line. Then you get ‘corrected’, berated, counselled  or df’ed or whatever – all part of the controlling process. (I sometimes wonder if the JW&#8217;s think they can df individuals also out of LIFE &#8211; since an individual is unrepentant&#8230;)  </p>
<p>Now, you and I, have been free…to think, feel and do as WE please. What a relief it was for me initially to wake up on a Sunday morning and realize I have the whole day to myself. It’s glorious to BE one’s self, to discover your spiritual self your   Higher self, you True self. Once one is involved in / with religion, you are not supposed to know or be yourself, because then you can’t be controlled anymore. That fact alone, must confuse / piss them  (the JW’s) off so much, since you are just YOURSELF. Most people hide behind a cloak of religion, out of fear. Once the cloak is removed, their true selves may just be revealed. Consequently, the masses are gripped by FEAR in religion.  And religion dictates through fear what your punishment and/or destiny will be. </p>
<p>The witnesses profess to be an organization. Damn right, a religious organization. They do exactly like all churches do  &#8211; they all worship in one common building, they pray, they sing songs and someone preaches from a platform/pulpit and they ALL use the same (Black) Book they base their beliefs on; just in different variations…and there are always subjects who are all ears… </p>
<p>“The truth,  the truth,  the truth”….(sound familiar?) My question is: WHAT  ABOUT  THE  TRUTH  ABOUT  YOURSELF ??</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, how this site became just another voice of hatred against the WT? It was about a person that was disabled while working at the WT and how their case went. It also covered the importance of the WT to better support those in that position. It was not about them being bad or evil or inaccurate in their doctorines. Try to keep your eye on the ball and support the WT to help their members, not make them defend themselves over some foolish opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, how this site became just another voice of hatred against the WT? It was about a person that was disabled while working at the WT and how their case went. It also covered the importance of the WT to better support those in that position. It was not about them being bad or evil or inaccurate in their doctorines. Try to keep your eye on the ball and support the WT to help their members, not make them defend themselves over some foolish opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15617&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@CW Payne  &lt;/a&gt; 
Please share with me just what it is that brought you to these conclusions.  As I have encountered, the indoctrination has been so thorough, it has been most difficult for me to break through and make much headway.  In my discussions it seems like an old western movie, I am cut off at the pass even as I try to get a point across.  They are programed to know just what to say and close their minds to anything that may come close to a rebuttal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-15617" rel="nofollow">@CW Payne  </a><br />
Please share with me just what it is that brought you to these conclusions.  As I have encountered, the indoctrination has been so thorough, it has been most difficult for me to break through and make much headway.  In my discussions it seems like an old western movie, I am cut off at the pass even as I try to get a point across.  They are programed to know just what to say and close their minds to anything that may come close to a rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: CW Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>CW Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 03:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a jehovah&#039;s witness, studying and researching their doctrines caused me to understand the religious mechanisms of the devil. The watchtower bible and tract society, masquerading as an angel of light, is really an advocate for the devil and fall in the same catagory as their religious competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a jehovah&#8217;s witness, studying and researching their doctrines caused me to understand the religious mechanisms of the devil. The watchtower bible and tract society, masquerading as an angel of light, is really an advocate for the devil and fall in the same catagory as their religious competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4907&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@peter  &lt;/a&gt; 

Peter, your a moron. You do not both know them or have the right to call other JW&#039;s apostates, according to your opinion. Just for doing so would normally get you removed, if you serve, but you are a coward. I know both of them, and I would like to stand up to Mike, but you won&#039;t as you are just another loser.</description>
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<p>Peter, your a moron. You do not both know them or have the right to call other JW&#8217;s apostates, according to your opinion. Just for doing so would normally get you removed, if you serve, but you are a coward. I know both of them, and I would like to stand up to Mike, but you won&#8217;t as you are just another loser.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The Truth

Yup you are correct, there is no fast rule that says &#039;do not further you education&#039;. The WT society makes sure it is not authoritarian which would come across as tyrannical. But they sure are authoritative which is worse because it is a planting of the seed, backed up with infallible logic, for example: The world is going to end soon so don’t study. This would be perfect if it were not for the lie about the world ending soon&#039;.

I love the wording in the following Watchtower quote; note the ‘oneself’ as a bad idea, but the ‘yourself’ as a good idea.
“The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counsellors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any ‘future’ this world offers is no future!”- “What Influences Decisions in Your Life?” The Watchtower (15 March 1969) 

Here is a real klanger from the Awake:
&quot;If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ...as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone! This is why parents who base their lives on God’s prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their young ones into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling&quot;- “What Future for the Young?” Awake! (22 May 1969).
Note the four to eight years quoted back in 1969. It now a mere 40 years on. &quot;HELLOOO, anybody out there?&quot;

What the society should be saying is: “Do not get a higher education but become more spiritual (sell more magazines and books for us). We do not really give a toss about your future, we care only for the money you so kindly earn for us).

Despite the many failed prophesies of the WTBTS the average JW carries on regardless, and full credit must be given to the society’s subversion tactics. I wish more Witnesses would read Deut 18:20-22 and see how false prophets are defined and how they should be treated.

I suppose the best brainwashing is when the brainwashed do not, in the slightest, suspect they are indeed brainwashed.

Cheers,
Markus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Truth</p>
<p>Yup you are correct, there is no fast rule that says &#8216;do not further you education&#8217;. The WT society makes sure it is not authoritarian which would come across as tyrannical. But they sure are authoritative which is worse because it is a planting of the seed, backed up with infallible logic, for example: The world is going to end soon so don’t study. This would be perfect if it were not for the lie about the world ending soon&#8217;.</p>
<p>I love the wording in the following Watchtower quote; note the ‘oneself’ as a bad idea, but the ‘yourself’ as a good idea.<br />
“The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counsellors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any ‘future’ this world offers is no future!”- “What Influences Decisions in Your Life?” The Watchtower (15 March 1969) </p>
<p>Here is a real klanger from the Awake:<br />
&#8220;If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. &#8230;as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone! This is why parents who base their lives on God’s prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their young ones into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling&#8221;- “What Future for the Young?” Awake! (22 May 1969).<br />
Note the four to eight years quoted back in 1969. It now a mere 40 years on. &#8220;HELLOOO, anybody out there?&#8221;</p>
<p>What the society should be saying is: “Do not get a higher education but become more spiritual (sell more magazines and books for us). We do not really give a toss about your future, we care only for the money you so kindly earn for us).</p>
<p>Despite the many failed prophesies of the WTBTS the average JW carries on regardless, and full credit must be given to the society’s subversion tactics. I wish more Witnesses would read Deut 18:20-22 and see how false prophets are defined and how they should be treated.</p>
<p>I suppose the best brainwashing is when the brainwashed do not, in the slightest, suspect they are indeed brainwashed.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5048&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ron Raymond  &lt;/a&gt; 
Heres the correct answer: They completed graduate school after being baptised because there is no rule or scripture against it. They regularly axillary pioneered in college and were always supported by their local congregation. Go to college or not its your choice, just like your choice to be a Witness or not. Such as easy excuse for a lack of educational ability, to just blame the opinion of another man to decide to go or not. Obviously if you that are complaining were of true college material you would have gone. They did without a problem so grow up and stop blaming others because you are the local janitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-5048" rel="nofollow">@Ron Raymond  </a><br />
Heres the correct answer: They completed graduate school after being baptised because there is no rule or scripture against it. They regularly axillary pioneered in college and were always supported by their local congregation. Go to college or not its your choice, just like your choice to be a Witness or not. Such as easy excuse for a lack of educational ability, to just blame the opinion of another man to decide to go or not. Obviously if you that are complaining were of true college material you would have gone. They did without a problem so grow up and stop blaming others because you are the local janitor.</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-9318&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Jack Tugwood  &lt;/a&gt; 

You have said it all: After your twisted personal attack you do not want the same from others. Heres a tip: Keep your opinions off the internet if you do not want a response. Obviously you elected to not go to college, as the WT has never ordered anyone not to go, just count the cost, so you are to blame for your own stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-9318" rel="nofollow">@Jack Tugwood  </a> </p>
<p>You have said it all: After your twisted personal attack you do not want the same from others. Heres a tip: Keep your opinions off the internet if you do not want a response. Obviously you elected to not go to college, as the WT has never ordered anyone not to go, just count the cost, so you are to blame for your own stupidity.</p>
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