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Jehovah\'s Witnes sues Watchtower A 46-year-old sister who served as a Bethelite said she was forced to move Brooklyn Bethel after she was seriously injured while serving the Watchtower Society.

But a judge’s ruling this week that she is entitled to worker’s compensation payments could end up costing the Watchtower Society millions of dollars.

Brenda Upton and her husband, Michael, took a vow of poverty and moved to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Brooklyn headquarters in 1998 to work as chiropractors for other Bethelites.

She injured her spine while running to catch a bus at an upstate Watchtower compound later that year.

“They take wonderful care of you up to a point, and then you’re on your own,” Upton said. “That’s why we wound up going to court.”

She said she suffered debilitating nerve injuries that have left her barely able to carry a laundry basket. The Watchtower Society took care of her medical care until 2001, when she and her husband were asked to leave and were given a $79,000 stipend.

But Workers’ Compensation Law Judge Stephen Goldstein ruled Wednesday that Upton is entitled to $400 a week in workers’ compensation payments.

“I’m finding they were not religious volunteers,” Goldstein said. “They were engaged, particularly Dr. Brenda Upton, in a number of work-like activities.”

The Witnesses vowed to appeal the ruling, saying Upton and the other 5,800 Witnesses who live and work in the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Brooklyn headquarters are volunteers, not employees.

But if the decision stands, the Witnesses – and other religious organizations – could potentially face millions of dollars in workers’ compensation insurance premiums and payments, said church lawyer John Miller.

“It’ll pretty much put religious orders out of business,” Miller said. “It would certainly impact whether we would ever want to continue operations” in New York.

The Watchtower Society owns about 40 properties in downtown Brooklyn and has plans to
build a huge new structure on a vacant lot.
Miller would not speculate how the workers’ compensation case would affect those plans.

“We don’t have a spiritual conflict,” said Upton, who has moved with her husband to Washington State.

“Our problem all along has been medical-legal. We are still active Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

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  1. John Dear
    February 24th, 2014 at 19:31 | #1

    @Jack Tugwood

    “Trust in Jehovah” is what the Pharisees would tell the person who Jesus healed on the Sabbath. Shame on you Jack, this poor sister cannot work again in her life! – an active witness and pioneer

  2. Ron Calvert
    January 7th, 2014 at 02:01 | #2

    @Me Are you for real….. Wake up. 26 years it took me.

  3. Ron Calvert
    January 7th, 2014 at 01:59 | #3

    @Jack Tugwood Did you say truthful and integrity, where have you been on a desert island. I Have wasted 26 years of what I believed was the “Truth” as the repetition ends up making you say lol. I am very shocked at the incredible amount of mind control used and abused throughout the life’s of decent people. Information control, emotional control, guilt control. I am embarrassed of the indoctrination of the attitude of hatred toward other religions organisations. I am shocked at the abuse of power of men within this organisation. I am ashamed and feel like a fool. I must now move on and am a very happy man. NOT because I behave in depraved acts or act in an unchristian way. No, I am free of the restraints of the men in New York.

  4. Ste Ríkhardsson
    January 5th, 2014 at 07:13 | #4

    “We don’t have a spiritual conflict. Our problem all along has been medical-legal. We are still active Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

    They are suing the WBTS but are still active Witnesses? How does that work?

  5. Exposer of Hypocrisy
    December 23rd, 2013 at 09:27 | #5

    @Malcolm R. I am left to wonder, is it okay for the WTS to advance financially however people cannot.
    The Governing Body might (note `might`) be afforded some credibility if it actually made one correct prophecy, since their prophecies & writings border if not full on cross the line into sheer stupidity. Christ would get more ROI if he invested his time in another religion rather than this circus act.
    The WTS/JW faith is pure & simply a cult as it exemplifies and demonstrates sheer nonsense on a regular basis. If you do not know the true history of your cult (most JW’s don’t) then you too have no authority to speak on the subject.

  6. Markus
    December 13th, 2013 at 17:47 | #6

    @Malcolm R.
    I’m not sure if you are being serious here. If you are you are one sick bunny. The Watchtower does not want you to do anything, anything at all, except of course sell magazines and other literature which you and other worker bees do, and of course make the WTBTS an even more powerful organization than the multi billion dollar organization they already are.
    If you believe in God try using that brain he gave you.
    Regards,
    Markus

  7. Jones
    December 6th, 2013 at 10:43 | #7

    @Malcolm R.
    You have described a classic case of brainwashing.

    You cannot comprehend the power of God because you are not even trying to understand what is in the bible. If you don’t search the scripture for yourself you will continue to be under the thumb of this false doctrine. You have no one to blame but yurself.

  8. Malcolm R.
    November 23rd, 2013 at 19:45 | #8

    We have been trained to be submissive to the Watchtower organization since only they are the true religion or channel to God and Christ. No one can understand the Bible without the interpretation of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are Gods prophets since 1919. Christ is guiding them and only them. We should never question anything the Watchtower Corporation does as its really challenging God remember Miriam and Korah how they criticized Moises.

    This sister and her husband did not show proper theocratic submission as they took Gods organization to a worldly court that is ran by Satan the Devil.

    Also she and her husband were disobedient by getting higher education as we have been warned many times that no mature Witness would be trying to advance financialy in this system but instead seek first the Kingdom by preaching and placing WT literature at the hands of people. We have been warned in publications, talks at assemblies that going to college is BAD. If a brother serving as elder or ministerial servant sends his kids to get a higher education, he will get deleted from office.

    Malcolm R

  9. cathy kennedy
    June 19th, 2012 at 18:24 | #9

    @Charlene Barnes-Ford
    Yes my sister we have been for warned about the great tribulation that will be started by jehovah .As satan will try to destroy our people now is the time to read our bibles and prepare. Stay loyal and focused my dear sister as i will try to do likewise!

  10. cathy kennedy
    June 19th, 2012 at 18:13 | #10

    @Jones
    Always remember ! i’m sure you know this Jehovah is the hearer of the prayers of the rightous ones. Those desiring to live right so ask him to give you INSIGHT. Ask him to shore up your doubts, b4 u read, pray to him to help you to focus. It takes humility to allow someone to instruct you in the bible. Ask JEHOVAH to help you to understand his word. Let no one come between that relationship we all have with jehovah! Please ask jehovah in jesus name dailey he is the hearer of prayers!

  11. cathy kennedy
    June 19th, 2012 at 18:06 | #11

    @The Conscious Class
    it is easier to do wrong than do right. Of course it’s easier when the world around you says i don’t need or want anybody to tell me what to do! And when you seepeople stumbled you can claim freedom. But there is no getting around what you left and went to. As he did with eve satan aooeals to our desire to be FREE of rules. So go on and be free but don’t be bitter. You left there is no need to try to warn others as if you were taken off to jonestownand you survived.As freely as you decided to become one of jw! You were made sure that you get up and go worship jehovah and go out in service. So enjoy your retirement. Also remember you’ve switched roads!

  12. The Conscious Class
    October 27th, 2011 at 13:30 | #12

    I served as an elder for over a decade. I taught at KM School, Circuit and District Conventions…..there is nothing more difficult than coming to the realization you’ve wasted your life in a man made cult.

    The WTBTS is a business. They make money, move real estate, publish books. The common ‘publisher’ (absurd title) is of little interest to anyone at Brooklyn Bethel. I’ve been there twice….they could care less. They are the two ‘passers by’ in Jesus illustration of the Good Samaritan….they could care less what happens to a ‘little one’…… I feel very, very sorry for many JWs….they are so filled with cognitive dissonance that there is virtually nothing you can do to help them….when you do have a breakthrough, its so emotionally devastating….it can take years to pick up the pieces.

    Good for this couple!! Sue them for all the ‘donations’ they have stole from people……never mind the irony of telling everyone to stay away from higher education…..ooooop…..but they were more than happy to use them as chiropractors!!!!!!!

  13. Eldo
    January 21st, 2011 at 22:57 | #13

    Hello all,URGENT.If you have any original copies of JW flase prophecies,Medical related literatures and other items please, please send me a scanned copy to below said mail ID.Very urgent for me to rescue few deaf and dump JW (I can convince by showing some)am a born again Christian from Kerala India and My email ID is manwithlove2010@gmail.com please remember to send me some..I beg to all.

  14. October 20th, 2010 at 08:27 | #14

    I am so glad you guys who are ex-JW’s thought a bit further than what is supposed to be ‘obvious’ truths, stuff we were conditioned to believe and practice all along. And woe betide if you stepped out of line. Then you get ‘corrected’, berated, counselled or df’ed or whatever – all part of the controlling process. (I sometimes wonder if the JW’s think they can df individuals also out of LIFE – since an individual is unrepentant…)

    Now, you and I, have been free…to think, feel and do as WE please. What a relief it was for me initially to wake up on a Sunday morning and realize I have the whole day to myself. It’s glorious to BE one’s self, to discover your spiritual self your Higher self, you True self. Once one is involved in / with religion, you are not supposed to know or be yourself, because then you can’t be controlled anymore. That fact alone, must confuse / piss them (the JW’s) off so much, since you are just YOURSELF. Most people hide behind a cloak of religion, out of fear. Once the cloak is removed, their true selves may just be revealed. Consequently, the masses are gripped by FEAR in religion. And religion dictates through fear what your punishment and/or destiny will be.

    The witnesses profess to be an organization. Damn right, a religious organization. They do exactly like all churches do – they all worship in one common building, they pray, they sing songs and someone preaches from a platform/pulpit and they ALL use the same (Black) Book they base their beliefs on; just in different variations…and there are always subjects who are all ears…

    “The truth, the truth, the truth”….(sound familiar?) My question is: WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF ??

  15. Me
    July 14th, 2010 at 09:31 | #15

    Funny, how this site became just another voice of hatred against the WT? It was about a person that was disabled while working at the WT and how their case went. It also covered the importance of the WT to better support those in that position. It was not about them being bad or evil or inaccurate in their doctorines. Try to keep your eye on the ball and support the WT to help their members, not make them defend themselves over some foolish opinions.

  16. Jones
    July 4th, 2010 at 16:30 | #16

    @CW Payne
    Please share with me just what it is that brought you to these conclusions. As I have encountered, the indoctrination has been so thorough, it has been most difficult for me to break through and make much headway. In my discussions it seems like an old western movie, I am cut off at the pass even as I try to get a point across. They are programed to know just what to say and close their minds to anything that may come close to a rebuttal.

  17. July 3rd, 2010 at 23:21 | #17

    Being a jehovah’s witness, studying and researching their doctrines caused me to understand the religious mechanisms of the devil. The watchtower bible and tract society, masquerading as an angel of light, is really an advocate for the devil and fall in the same catagory as their religious competitors.

  18. Me
    December 7th, 2009 at 17:36 | #18

    @peter

    Peter, your a moron. You do not both know them or have the right to call other JW’s apostates, according to your opinion. Just for doing so would normally get you removed, if you serve, but you are a coward. I know both of them, and I would like to stand up to Mike, but you won’t as you are just another loser.

  19. Markus
    November 21st, 2009 at 22:32 | #19

    @The Truth

    Yup you are correct, there is no fast rule that says ‘do not further you education’. The WT society makes sure it is not authoritarian which would come across as tyrannical. But they sure are authoritative which is worse because it is a planting of the seed, backed up with infallible logic, for example: The world is going to end soon so don’t study. This would be perfect if it were not for the lie about the world ending soon’.

    I love the wording in the following Watchtower quote; note the ‘oneself’ as a bad idea, but the ‘yourself’ as a good idea.
    “The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counsellors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any ‘future’ this world offers is no future!”- “What Influences Decisions in Your Life?” The Watchtower (15 March 1969)

    Here is a real klanger from the Awake:
    “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. …as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone! This is why parents who base their lives on God’s prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their young ones into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling”- “What Future for the Young?” Awake! (22 May 1969).
    Note the four to eight years quoted back in 1969. It now a mere 40 years on. “HELLOOO, anybody out there?”

    What the society should be saying is: “Do not get a higher education but become more spiritual (sell more magazines and books for us). We do not really give a toss about your future, we care only for the money you so kindly earn for us).

    Despite the many failed prophesies of the WTBTS the average JW carries on regardless, and full credit must be given to the society’s subversion tactics. I wish more Witnesses would read Deut 18:20-22 and see how false prophets are defined and how they should be treated.

    I suppose the best brainwashing is when the brainwashed do not, in the slightest, suspect they are indeed brainwashed.

    Cheers,
    Markus

  20. The Truth
    November 21st, 2009 at 02:42 | #20

    @Ron Raymond
    Heres the correct answer: They completed graduate school after being baptised because there is no rule or scripture against it. They regularly axillary pioneered in college and were always supported by their local congregation. Go to college or not its your choice, just like your choice to be a Witness or not. Such as easy excuse for a lack of educational ability, to just blame the opinion of another man to decide to go or not. Obviously if you that are complaining were of true college material you would have gone. They did without a problem so grow up and stop blaming others because you are the local janitor.

  21. The Truth
    November 21st, 2009 at 02:32 | #21

    @Jack Tugwood

    You have said it all: After your twisted personal attack you do not want the same from others. Heres a tip: Keep your opinions off the internet if you do not want a response. Obviously you elected to not go to college, as the WT has never ordered anyone not to go, just count the cost, so you are to blame for your own stupidity.

  22. The Truth
    November 21st, 2009 at 02:28 | #22

    @Jack Tugwood
    How unfortionate it is to read your comment. If you were to actually read the WT literature you would note there is a condition where you may elect to actually sue your brother, if it is necessary to file an insurance claim. Yes you will actually have to open a book (Try the OD book if you know where to even find it). However permited this was not a law suit but an insurance claim filing, though I can see you would not know the difference. I am ashamed you claim to be so righteous to judge these people who are your brothers without even meeting them. Perhaps Satan has found a way into your heart. By the way, her husband, during the entire case, served as an Elder, with obviously the WT’s full knowledge and approval. I have knows both of them for years, unlike you.

  23. The Truth
    November 21st, 2009 at 02:22 | #23

    @monalisa

    Remarkable how uninformed you are 1) The WT was never taken to court or sued. A workers compensation claim was filed per the direction of the WT. 2) Of course your imagination and credability show by even slightly implying her husband was in some type of insurance fraud. 3) They are both to this day active Jehovahs Witnesses with no intention of leaving because of a simple workers compensation case. To question something does not make one an apostate, or the greatest apostates would be Jehovah and his son Jesus, which would be discovered if some of you actually read the WT literature, instead of rendering your opinion.

  24. Markus
    October 19th, 2009 at 10:29 | #24

    @Jack Tugwood
    Non profit organization?? Yep you poor ignoramus. Funny how a non-profit organization is now worth billions. Keep spreading the word they need every worker bee they can find.
    Cheers,
    Markus

  25. Jack Tugwood
    October 13th, 2009 at 11:54 | #25

    Why would anyone attempt to discredit the WT society in anyway. As much as it was an unfortunate accident, it is still not the fault of the society to pay her claim anymore is it for me to sue them because I lost my job due to religious intolerance. The society is non profit and the privelge of attending Bethel is one that most publishers look forward to.
    We are all looking forward to the new system which will remove all infirmities, sickness and the last enemy death for all.
    Why would any individual make “time and unforseen occurence” an excuse to do other than completly rely on Jehovah to assist them for their needs both physical as well as spiritual.
    It is no wonder that so many attempt to attack the truth and integrity of this organization when such fodder is supplied to be used against us.
    As much as I am sympathetic to this womans situation, I am ashamed and disappointed at the direct violation of the scriptuaral exhortation to ‘not be taking your brother to court.’
    And I dont care to hear anyones twisted personal emotional response to these truths.

  26. monalisa
    February 13th, 2008 at 22:36 | #26

    Ray,
    I posted my comment right away, without first reading the others that followed yours. When I said “there’s something…” it was meant to follow directly what you had posted. In other words, I believe that you may be right about the credibility of this case, because: 1)the said victim was not injured at the place of work; 2)the said victim was indeed injured through her own actions [running]; 3)the said victim was under an agreement [or clause - whether oral or written] with the accused as to have willingly agreed to provide services under the agreed-upon conditions, and finally: 4)the said victim, being a said professional within the practice of chiropractic healing, would indeed have a foot in, so to speak, because she with the assistance of her husband who is of the same profession no doubt, could easily ‘embellish’ some facts to make the situation appear worst than it may in fact have been (or still is).

  27. monalisa
    February 13th, 2008 at 22:16 | #27

    there’s something to think about…

  28. monalisa
    February 13th, 2008 at 22:11 | #28

    John, unlike some who use this site to vent apparent satasnic venom, you sir, demonstrate authentic respect for yourself and towards the welfare and integrity of all persons affected. You, have made it, because you were authentic to begin with. God bless you.

  29. Me
    February 6th, 2008 at 07:51 | #29

    Thom, you are so right! You must know the Upton’s!

  30. Me
    February 5th, 2008 at 09:56 | #30

    Did you know that WT Brooklyn took in over 950 million in 2001?

  31. Know them Very well
    February 5th, 2008 at 09:50 | #31

    Heres the problem: according to NY workers comp authorities there are never any complaints, until the Uptons, though hundreds get thrown out because they get injured or ill. Call the authorities today to tell them how you feel. The Upton’s were the only ones to stand up and say the truth though they were attacked for it, but the were instrumental in changing the law and it now is focused on the WT.

  32. Me
    February 5th, 2008 at 09:45 | #32

    Funny, one of the people that lied about them in court got kicked out for being ill too many times after 30 years!

  33. Know them very well
    February 5th, 2008 at 09:43 | #33

    The continued to go to college after being baptized, but were marked for it. But this is the only reason they were allowed to go to bethel, college. I know them both very well and they are still active.

  34. John Councilman
    February 4th, 2008 at 03:26 | #34

    This is a truly heartbreaking web site. What is so sad is that the only story seems to be that people were able to break away, albeit they were mentally or physically scarred for life. I didn’t read a single story where one had found something wonderful in place of the Witnesses. As one who was born and raised a Witness and who had my own study group at 18 and was a ministerial servant at 19, I thought the Witnesses had it just right. I was no dissident. Suddenly, in my early 20s, I had an experience with the Living Lord not dissimilar to the Apostle Paul’s. You can imagine what a mental transformation had to take place. You may be assured that God will do that as he did with Paul. (Gal 1:16-18) At first, I merely thought that the Witnesses were a little wrong. After much research and reading of the Bible, I am convinced that nearly all of the errant doctrines were conceived in rebellion. It is possible to have a wonderful relationship with God that the Witnesses do everything possible to divert their followers from. I find many more Witnesses are breaking free. There is a real need for something akin to a Jehovah’s Witnesses anonymous to help them adjust.

  35. Thom
    January 22nd, 2008 at 09:06 | #35

    Watchtower is designed to preach however they have no system in place to help thousands of volunteers. Many young men and women have been hurt while on the watch and they are sent home to pray for help and seek assistance from the state. They are not fully following Bible principles on caring for those in need. Many work here at Headquarters in New York and have 30 or more years and they just give us $600 a month and very minimum health care. The method that they are using now is as follows. You are called on the phone and instructed to come and meet with two brothers, they in turn tell you that you have to leave within 4 to 6 weeks tops and people are running scared. For those whom have lived there 12 to 14 years, they are given nothing but a thank you and asked to leave as soon as possible. Take into consideration that just a couple of years ago we were told that if you stay past 5 years, you would be considered permanant. Those poor people who get hurt or fall sick are mostly told to leave and this is certainly a sign of the last days. You can’t treat people whom have given their best years for work and treat them so cruel without having to answer for your behavoir. Watchtower brings in millions of dollars a year and they heavilly invest in the stock market. However, they give us Bethelites here in New York $113.00 a month and are sending faithful people out with just a little change. This seems rather sad when one of our strong beliefs are that one day money will be of no use. Therefore, Watchtower should be more generous in the way they care for loyal servants. Brenda Upton was a victom of what their system is designed to do to us and I hope many reading about this case join in with writing a letter to higher authorities about the mistreatment of people who are trying to worship God. The men who are running the organization now are not empathetic and are running the society like a business and its a higher percentage of blacks that they are sending home when you study their numbers.

  36. otto marconi
    January 5th, 2008 at 13:52 | #36

    to Ron,

    I’m glad you enjoyed my story, and I hope it will help some to stop what they’re doing and start thinking, hopefully.
    The story of the elder you mention is alll too familiar to me. Senn scores like that and worse.
    I also agree with your conclusion, though for most witlesses I would recommend Guantanamo.
    Most in fact are point-of-no-return dangerous and murderous lowlives (e.g Malawi thing, Nazi thing, blood, paedophilia, destroyed marriages and families, etc. etc. etc. etc.).

  37. Ron Raymond
    January 5th, 2008 at 03:20 | #37

    I enjoyed your story, its good you can find humor in what is an unfortunate situation. I have found the greatest salve to the wound is to rebuild my life, which has improved astronomically since leaving the Cult, i.e., acquiring a BS and an MBA, traveling the world, taking up various sporting ventures, hobbies, expanding my horizons, having real friends, etc. Don’t be too hard on yourself, most of mankind does and acts as a result of “group think”, i.e., religious, political, military, corporate organizations etc. Granted the Watchtower is amongst the worst of autocratic organizations with control over its membership and should be held accountable. Recent events i.e., sexual abuse settlements, Congressional investigations of Church Finances (kudos to Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley), etc., show the tides are turning and religious organizations are no longer the untouchable sacred cows they once were, it is time for the Watchtower to pay the price for its deplorable acts.

    It is easy to poke fun of JWs and especially the so called, ever so delusional, “Glorious Ones”, aka Elders, but the reality is these people are suffering as well. I remember one of the Elders, the Presiding Overseer at the time, use to confide to me he felt as if he was a rubber band being stretched to the snapping point. This same Elder was one of the three that disfellowshipped me, while at the time I saw him as a disgusting/betraying cult robot, he is really brainwashed and probably suffering from a cornucopia of mental ills and will probably die a broke slave of the Watchtower ever so desperately hanging on to his delusions. Jehovah’s Witnesses need help, those of us that have broke free need to find a way to rebuild our lives to the best of our abilities and stand up and speak out against an injustice but also be there to help others break free.

  38. otto marconi
    January 3rd, 2008 at 21:47 | #38

    Hi James,

    that’s a bonanza! yes earlier I couldn’t open most of the articles in the ‘elsewhereishere’ link, there must have been a glitch somewhere, now it seems fine thank you very much.

  39. James NON-JW
    January 3rd, 2008 at 14:51 | #39

    Which doc in particular are you not able to retrieve Otto? I have saved the majority except for the WT comments, those that I find of value I will scan in hard copy and save electronically.
    Let me know if there is a doc you want, that I may have.

  40. otto marconi
    January 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 | #40

    Hi everybody (and jehov-ordures in particular)

    last night the more I read the more I got intrigued and entertained by the ‘elsewhereishere’ document.
    I downloaded the part about child custody and the 175 pages book for the branch offices.
    In the child custody document there’s al lot of interesting info that I will discuss here in the next days.
    Alas I’m now failing to open the ‘elsewhereishere’ document… wonder if the Towers of All Terrors’ sharks got a hand on this again.

  41. James NON-JW
    January 3rd, 2008 at 02:29 | #41

    An aspect of importance to ponder is that if you extrapolate the numbers from the spreadsheet provided in the 2007 Report PDF, you become quickly cognizant of the low increase; you also can easily see that this is not a fast growing religion by any standard. If you were to do the math using the numbers from field service work versus the resultant growth, it clearly solidifies our long held point of view gents that the JW method of “door to door” is archaic and ineffective.
    Kudos to Fri for initially finding a page from this site, I am not certain of its origin, however a large portion of the information is a PDF file extension, so other than printing these docs, you can save a copy of them to your PC drive. This might be rather imperative if someone were to shut the site down. To segue from the aforementioned, an idea related to this might be as follows:
    If a JW could scan the study pages from the JW version of their crappy propaganda magazines, perhaps they would hypothetically reveal some of their garbage they are not inclined to make public? Would this be a revisit to the Watchtower attempting to shut that website down like the Canadian site recently?
    The Watchtower appears to be striving a lot harder to protect its assets and its ass in general as of late, maybe they are gearing up for some damage control on their little world? They have paid some settlements with the abuse cases; I can only imagine this continuing. Certainly their methodology to deal with issues in any proactive manner is laughable at best. However a typical “mindless, no life sit at home waiting for the end JW” who might read this could very well assert that this means the end is near if their God the Watchtower were threatened. For anyone with any form of grey matter, it’s rather easy to understand the bigger picture isn’t it?

  42. otto marconi
    January 3rd, 2008 at 00:50 | #42

    thank you Fri and thank you James for the links you provided. Very interesting.

    the “smemorial” partakers are increasing, aren’t they? … uhmm…

  43. James NON-JW
    January 2nd, 2008 at 21:14 | #43

    Thanks Fri, that was interesting. In fact I didn’t know they changed the release edition magazine magazine versus their own. For more info on this site use the following link:
    http://elsewhereishere.com/jw/
    Thanks again Fri, and Happy New Year.

  44. Fri
    January 2nd, 2008 at 18:59 | #44
  45. Ron Raymond
    January 2nd, 2008 at 01:14 | #45

    Thanks for your response, granted there is some sarcasm in my tone. Having proselytized for the Watchtower I do know the higher the education someone has, the less likely they are to become indoctrinated – every JW knows that you catch people when they are weak, i.e., having gone through a divorce, loss of a loved one, unplanned pregnancy, loss of a job, or some other significant disappointment that makes one more susceptible to the belief we are in a soon to end world controlled by the Devil.

    I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and as you may know, there is no freedom of thought allowed for the children of JW’s, the doctrines of the Watchtower are to be taken as absolute truth. While like most JW children, I found it difficult being a JW and felt there was no way I was going to be one as an adult. But unfortunately I was not adept or capable of discounting the dogma/brainwashing and became a loyal JW in my early adult years, i.e., pioneering, turning down my non-JW Grandmother’s offer to put me through College, going to Bethel, being a good little Ministerial Servant etc. I was miserable, everything within my gut told me something was wrong but I just couldn’t understand the turmoil I was going through. I remember exactly where I was standing in the Watchtower shipping department when the thought crossed my mind “this is a cult,” however as all JWs are taught to believe their own thoughts negative toward the Watchtower are a result of their own inherent weakness and are propagated by the Devil, I quickly dismissed the thought the same as I had dismissed thousands of other light bulbs going off in my head. I remember riding in the plane home after a couple of years at Bethel, I couldn’t articulate the feeling then but looking back on it I can describe it as feeling I had just been f@#$&d in the ass for the last couple of years. As the growth of JWs in the United States has been flat, I suspect what little growth that offsets the exodus is from those that are raised as JWs and they are the real victims as they really have little choice as it is extremely difficult to leave one’s entire social structure.

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