Bethelite sues Watchtower Society
A 46-year-old sister who served as a Bethelite said she was forced to move Brooklyn Bethel after she was seriously injured while serving the Watchtower Society.
But a judge’s ruling this week that she is entitled to worker’s compensation payments could end up costing the Watchtower Society millions of dollars.
Brenda Upton and her husband, Michael, took a vow of poverty and moved to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Brooklyn headquarters in 1998 to work as chiropractors for other Bethelites.
She injured her spine while running to catch a bus at an upstate Watchtower compound later that year.
“They take wonderful care of you up to a point, and then you’re on your own,” Upton said. “That’s why we wound up going to court.”
She said she suffered debilitating nerve injuries that have left her barely able to carry a laundry basket. The Watchtower Society took care of her medical care until 2001, when she and her husband were asked to leave and were given a $79,000 stipend.
But Workers’ Compensation Law Judge Stephen Goldstein ruled Wednesday that Upton is entitled to $400 a week in workers’ compensation payments.
“I’m finding they were not religious volunteers,” Goldstein said. “They were engaged, particularly Dr. Brenda Upton, in a number of work-like activities.”
The Witnesses vowed to appeal the ruling, saying Upton and the other 5,800 Witnesses who live and work in the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Brooklyn headquarters are volunteers, not employees.
But if the decision stands, the Witnesses – and other religious organizations – could potentially face millions of dollars in workers’ compensation insurance premiums and payments, said church lawyer John Miller.
“It’ll pretty much put religious orders out of business,” Miller said. “It would certainly impact whether we would ever want to continue operations” in New York.
The Watchtower Society owns about 40 properties in downtown Brooklyn and has plans to
build a huge new structure on a vacant lot.
Miller would not speculate how the workers’ compensation case would affect those plans.
“We don’t have a spiritual conflict,” said Upton, who has moved with her husband to Washington State.
“Our problem all along has been medical-legal. We are still active Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
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@Me How STUPIDO yopu are!!! nobody here wants the Towers of All Terrors to treat better the scumbags who slave for them.
They have it coming.
they deserve to be treated like shit, cos they are shit.
this ain’t about hatred you STUPIDO.
hatred is underrated, and a concept valid only with shit-eating scumbags like you limpdick, faggot ball-drainer and swallower.
Funny, how this site became just another voice of hatred against the WT? It was about a person that was disabled while working at the WT and how their case went. It also covered the importance of the WT to better support those in that position. It was not about them being bad or evil or inaccurate in their doctorines. Try to keep your eye on the ball and support the WT to help their members, not make them defend themselves over some foolish opinions.
@CW Payne Dear CW Payne the jehovordures do not fall into the same category of all religions. Why?
because they are the only one that have the following timeless dogmas:
worship eat and devour shit and any kind of human and animal excrements
worship and obsession with children’s dead bodies
rape of such dead bodies
nighttime ghoulish trips at the graveyard to dig and extract whatever they find
terrorism
fundamentalism
brainwashing
mass murder policies
planetary carnage advocates
oceans of blood advocates
sexual depravation
freakish masochism and sadism
cockroach and sewer rat identity ambition
tax frauds
cheats
harlotry in whoredom
shameless prostitution
child abuse and rape as policy, entertainment and initiation rite to become a jehovordure witless
door to door litera-trash pushing
ANALGEDDON advocates
and above all the worship of the SHITHOLE of the universe je-SHIT-hovah
and much much more that i won’t bother you with the details.
well if now you think that all religions belong to such scummish scumbag shiteaters club well i wouldn’t be that surprised seeing the result and 360°destruction and mayhem within and without the worthless human brains of most of the “children of god”.
@CW Payne
Please share with me just what it is that brought you to these conclusions. As I have encountered, the indoctrination has been so thorough, it has been most difficult for me to break through and make much headway. In my discussions it seems like an old western movie, I am cut off at the pass even as I try to get a point across. They are programed to know just what to say and close their minds to anything that may come close to a rebuttal.
Being a jehovah’s witness, studying and researching their doctrines caused me to understand the religious mechanisms of the devil. The watchtower bible and tract society, masquerading as an angel of light, is really an advocate for the devil and fall in the same catagory as their religious competitors.
@Me
To All: as long as our corrupted, moronic, assholic mofus governments give mobster and underworld organization like the Towers of All Terror aka jehovordure witlesses non profit status these monster murderers will continue to roll ion it. governemnt shoud throw them all in forced labor camps and let these paedophiles break stones for ever.
@peter
Peter, your a moron. You do not both know them or have the right to call other JW’s apostates, according to your opinion. Just for doing so would normally get you removed, if you serve, but you are a coward. I know both of them, and I would like to stand up to Mike, but you won’t as you are just another loser.
@The Truth
Yup you are correct, there is no fast rule that says ‘do not further you education’. The WT society makes sure it is not authoritarian which would come across as tyrannical. But they sure are authoritative which is worse because it is a planting of the seed, backed up with infallible logic, for example: The world is going to end soon so don’t study. This would be perfect if it were not for the lie about the world ending soon’.
I love the wording in the following Watchtower quote; note the ‘oneself’ as a bad idea, but the ‘yourself’ as a good idea.
“The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counsellors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any ‘future’ this world offers is no future!”- “What Influences Decisions in Your Life?” The Watchtower (15 March 1969)
Here is a real klanger from the Awake:
“If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. …as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone! This is why parents who base their lives on God’s prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their young ones into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling”- “What Future for the Young?” Awake! (22 May 1969).
Note the four to eight years quoted back in 1969. It now a mere 40 years on. “HELLOOO, anybody out there?”
What the society should be saying is: “Do not get a higher education but become more spiritual (sell more magazines and books for us). We do not really give a toss about your future, we care only for the money you so kindly earn for us).
Despite the many failed prophesies of the WTBTS the average JW carries on regardless, and full credit must be given to the society’s subversion tactics. I wish more Witnesses would read Deut 18:20-22 and see how false prophets are defined and how they should be treated.
I suppose the best brainwashing is when the brainwashed do not, in the slightest, suspect they are indeed brainwashed.
Cheers,
Markus
@Ron Raymond
Heres the correct answer: They completed graduate school after being baptised because there is no rule or scripture against it. They regularly axillary pioneered in college and were always supported by their local congregation. Go to college or not its your choice, just like your choice to be a Witness or not. Such as easy excuse for a lack of educational ability, to just blame the opinion of another man to decide to go or not. Obviously if you that are complaining were of true college material you would have gone. They did without a problem so grow up and stop blaming others because you are the local janitor.
@Jack Tugwood
You have said it all: After your twisted personal attack you do not want the same from others. Heres a tip: Keep your opinions off the internet if you do not want a response. Obviously you elected to not go to college, as the WT has never ordered anyone not to go, just count the cost, so you are to blame for your own stupidity.
@Jack Tugwood
How unfortionate it is to read your comment. If you were to actually read the WT literature you would note there is a condition where you may elect to actually sue your brother, if it is necessary to file an insurance claim. Yes you will actually have to open a book (Try the OD book if you know where to even find it). However permited this was not a law suit but an insurance claim filing, though I can see you would not know the difference. I am ashamed you claim to be so righteous to judge these people who are your brothers without even meeting them. Perhaps Satan has found a way into your heart. By the way, her husband, during the entire case, served as an Elder, with obviously the WT’s full knowledge and approval. I have knows both of them for years, unlike you.
@monalisa
Remarkable how uninformed you are 1) The WT was never taken to court or sued. A workers compensation claim was filed per the direction of the WT. 2) Of course your imagination and credability show by even slightly implying her husband was in some type of insurance fraud. 3) They are both to this day active Jehovahs Witnesses with no intention of leaving because of a simple workers compensation case. To question something does not make one an apostate, or the greatest apostates would be Jehovah and his son Jesus, which would be discovered if some of you actually read the WT literature, instead of rendering your opinion.
@Jack Tugwood
Non profit organization?? Yep you poor ignoramus. Funny how a non-profit organization is now worth billions. Keep spreading the word they need every worker bee they can find.
Cheers,
Markus
Why would anyone attempt to discredit the WT society in anyway. As much as it was an unfortunate accident, it is still not the fault of the society to pay her claim anymore is it for me to sue them because I lost my job due to religious intolerance. The society is non profit and the privelge of attending Bethel is one that most publishers look forward to.
We are all looking forward to the new system which will remove all infirmities, sickness and the last enemy death for all.
Why would any individual make “time and unforseen occurence” an excuse to do other than completly rely on Jehovah to assist them for their needs both physical as well as spiritual.
It is no wonder that so many attempt to attack the truth and integrity of this organization when such fodder is supplied to be used against us.
As much as I am sympathetic to this womans situation, I am ashamed and disappointed at the direct violation of the scriptuaral exhortation to ‘not be taking your brother to court.’
And I dont care to hear anyones twisted personal emotional response to these truths.
Ray,
I posted my comment right away, without first reading the others that followed yours. When I said “there’s something…” it was meant to follow directly what you had posted. In other words, I believe that you may be right about the credibility of this case, because: 1)the said victim was not injured at the place of work; 2)the said victim was indeed injured through her own actions [running]; 3)the said victim was under an agreement [or clause - whether oral or written] with the accused as to have willingly agreed to provide services under the agreed-upon conditions, and finally: 4)the said victim, being a said professional within the practice of chiropractic healing, would indeed have a foot in, so to speak, because she with the assistance of her husband who is of the same profession no doubt, could easily ‘embellish’ some facts to make the situation appear worst than it may in fact have been (or still is).
there’s something to think about…
John, unlike some who use this site to vent apparent satasnic venom, you sir, demonstrate authentic respect for yourself and towards the welfare and integrity of all persons affected. You, have made it, because you were authentic to begin with. God bless you.
yes, but sometimes I do miss the not-very-much chocked laughs during the meetings when sitting with my pals usually in the last row so usually next to the moronic disfellowshipped ones trying to get back…
I also sometimes miss the neverending trashing by elders and ministerial servants and the big-losers (the pioneeers) and wannabe suchs against other edelrs and ministerial servants and also against circuit overseers (often termed as dogs, bastards, drunk with power, liars, corrupted, pricks, etc.) at get-togethers and during the doortodoor literatrash pushing work.
I miss the slander, the bitter and funny gossip, and the never ending updates about who was fucking whose wife or husband.
All this shit helped to ease the hell I was living with my own conscience and psyche.
Thom, you are so right! You must know the Upton’s!
Did you know that WT Brooklyn took in over 950 million in 2001?
Heres the problem: according to NY workers comp authorities there are never any complaints, until the Uptons, though hundreds get thrown out because they get injured or ill. Call the authorities today to tell them how you feel. The Upton’s were the only ones to stand up and say the truth though they were attacked for it, but the were instrumental in changing the law and it now is focused on the WT.
Funny, one of the people that lied about them in court got kicked out for being ill too many times after 30 years!
The continued to go to college after being baptized, but were marked for it. But this is the only reason they were allowed to go to bethel, college. I know them both very well and they are still active.
This is a truly heartbreaking web site. What is so sad is that the only story seems to be that people were able to break away, albeit they were mentally or physically scarred for life. I didn’t read a single story where one had found something wonderful in place of the Witnesses. As one who was born and raised a Witness and who had my own study group at 18 and was a ministerial servant at 19, I thought the Witnesses had it just right. I was no dissident. Suddenly, in my early 20s, I had an experience with the Living Lord not dissimilar to the Apostle Paul’s. You can imagine what a mental transformation had to take place. You may be assured that God will do that as he did with Paul. (Gal 1:16-18) At first, I merely thought that the Witnesses were a little wrong. After much research and reading of the Bible, I am convinced that nearly all of the errant doctrines were conceived in rebellion. It is possible to have a wonderful relationship with God that the Witnesses do everything possible to divert their followers from. I find many more Witnesses are breaking free. There is a real need for something akin to a Jehovah’s Witnesses anonymous to help them adjust.
Watchtower is designed to preach however they have no system in place to help thousands of volunteers. Many young men and women have been hurt while on the watch and they are sent home to pray for help and seek assistance from the state. They are not fully following Bible principles on caring for those in need. Many work here at Headquarters in New York and have 30 or more years and they just give us $600 a month and very minimum health care. The method that they are using now is as follows. You are called on the phone and instructed to come and meet with two brothers, they in turn tell you that you have to leave within 4 to 6 weeks tops and people are running scared. For those whom have lived there 12 to 14 years, they are given nothing but a thank you and asked to leave as soon as possible. Take into consideration that just a couple of years ago we were told that if you stay past 5 years, you would be considered permanant. Those poor people who get hurt or fall sick are mostly told to leave and this is certainly a sign of the last days. You can’t treat people whom have given their best years for work and treat them so cruel without having to answer for your behavoir. Watchtower brings in millions of dollars a year and they heavilly invest in the stock market. However, they give us Bethelites here in New York $113.00 a month and are sending faithful people out with just a little change. This seems rather sad when one of our strong beliefs are that one day money will be of no use. Therefore, Watchtower should be more generous in the way they care for loyal servants. Brenda Upton was a victom of what their system is designed to do to us and I hope many reading about this case join in with writing a letter to higher authorities about the mistreatment of people who are trying to worship God. The men who are running the organization now are not empathetic and are running the society like a business and its a higher percentage of blacks that they are sending home when you study their numbers.
to Ron,
I’m glad you enjoyed my story, and I hope it will help some to stop what they’re doing and start thinking, hopefully.
The story of the elder you mention is alll too familiar to me. Senn scores like that and worse.
I also agree with your conclusion, though for most witlesses I would recommend Guantanamo.
Most in fact are point-of-no-return dangerous and murderous lowlives (e.g Malawi thing, Nazi thing, blood, paedophilia, destroyed marriages and families, etc. etc. etc. etc.).
I enjoyed your story, its good you can find humor in what is an unfortunate situation. I have found the greatest salve to the wound is to rebuild my life, which has improved astronomically since leaving the Cult, i.e., acquiring a BS and an MBA, traveling the world, taking up various sporting ventures, hobbies, expanding my horizons, having real friends, etc. Don’t be too hard on yourself, most of mankind does and acts as a result of “group think”, i.e., religious, political, military, corporate organizations etc. Granted the Watchtower is amongst the worst of autocratic organizations with control over its membership and should be held accountable. Recent events i.e., sexual abuse settlements, Congressional investigations of Church Finances (kudos to Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley), etc., show the tides are turning and religious organizations are no longer the untouchable sacred cows they once were, it is time for the Watchtower to pay the price for its deplorable acts.
It is easy to poke fun of JWs and especially the so called, ever so delusional, “Glorious Ones”, aka Elders, but the reality is these people are suffering as well. I remember one of the Elders, the Presiding Overseer at the time, use to confide to me he felt as if he was a rubber band being stretched to the snapping point. This same Elder was one of the three that disfellowshipped me, while at the time I saw him as a disgusting/betraying cult robot, he is really brainwashed and probably suffering from a cornucopia of mental ills and will probably die a broke slave of the Watchtower ever so desperately hanging on to his delusions. Jehovah’s Witnesses need help, those of us that have broke free need to find a way to rebuild our lives to the best of our abilities and stand up and speak out against an injustice but also be there to help others break free.
Hi James,
that’s a bonanza! yes earlier I couldn’t open most of the articles in the ‘elsewhereishere’ link, there must have been a glitch somewhere, now it seems fine thank you very much.
Which doc in particular are you not able to retrieve Otto? I have saved the majority except for the WT comments, those that I find of value I will scan in hard copy and save electronically.
Let me know if there is a doc you want, that I may have.
Hi everybody (and jehov-ordures in particular)
last night the more I read the more I got intrigued and entertained by the ‘elsewhereishere’ document.
I downloaded the part about child custody and the 175 pages book for the branch offices.
In the child custody document there’s al lot of interesting info that I will discuss here in the next days.
Alas I’m now failing to open the ‘elsewhereishere’ document… wonder if the Towers of All Terrors’ sharks got a hand on this again.
An aspect of importance to ponder is that if you extrapolate the numbers from the spreadsheet provided in the 2007 Report PDF, you become quickly cognizant of the low increase; you also can easily see that this is not a fast growing religion by any standard. If you were to do the math using the numbers from field service work versus the resultant growth, it clearly solidifies our long held point of view gents that the JW method of “door to door” is archaic and ineffective.
Kudos to Fri for initially finding a page from this site, I am not certain of its origin, however a large portion of the information is a PDF file extension, so other than printing these docs, you can save a copy of them to your PC drive. This might be rather imperative if someone were to shut the site down. To segue from the aforementioned, an idea related to this might be as follows:
If a JW could scan the study pages from the JW version of their crappy propaganda magazines, perhaps they would hypothetically reveal some of their garbage they are not inclined to make public? Would this be a revisit to the Watchtower attempting to shut that website down like the Canadian site recently?
The Watchtower appears to be striving a lot harder to protect its assets and its ass in general as of late, maybe they are gearing up for some damage control on their little world? They have paid some settlements with the abuse cases; I can only imagine this continuing. Certainly their methodology to deal with issues in any proactive manner is laughable at best. However a typical “mindless, no life sit at home waiting for the end JW” who might read this could very well assert that this means the end is near if their God the Watchtower were threatened. For anyone with any form of grey matter, it’s rather easy to understand the bigger picture isn’t it?
thank you Fri and thank you James for the links you provided. Very interesting.
the “smemorial” partakers are increasing, aren’t they? … uhmm…
Thanks Fri, that was interesting. In fact I didn’t know they changed the release edition magazine magazine versus their own. For more info on this site use the following link:
http://elsewhereishere.com/jw/
Thanks again Fri, and Happy New Year.
Otto, have a look at this link:
http://www.elsewhereishere.com/jw/wtcomments/Video_Intro.html
to Ron,
Thank you for your reply. I was raised a witless too and for a couple of years I was a ministerial servant too. And just like you although I had the the most disturbing feelings about this cult I somehow managed to destroy a good part of my life, yes, my best years and only for failing to get outta the Towers of All Terrors. Also cos there I got my family, my FALSE friends (apart from the ones that got disfelloshipped in the same period as me) and most of my miserable, pitiful, degrading and pathetic social life.
Please read the reply of mine below to a certian Happily Disassociated in July. In this post I do not mince words neither about my faults nor about the Towers of All Terrors and the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. You will find it not only absolutely true but also extremely interesting. You can find the other related comments in the “JW vs the world” section, July 2007 period.
“”"”to Happily Disassociated,
thank you for your story, very, very interesting and true. Find below my own story. It’s what I had to go thru for having been born in an active joioivuauah witless family.
I was born and raised in the ‘troof’.
I was the perfect jehov-ordure witless. I was the perfect clone and dad’s replicant.
Since I was born my cloned dad indoctrinated me and mom reinforced it. We were the typical family clone you see in the Towers of All Terrors litera-trash.
For reasons of space I’ll skip the part regarding the dismayed landscape of my internal world. I’ll focus on what I became, that is the result of what is “taught” in the watchtower cult as seen in their literature kindly presented in this site.
And I became the perfect double-face trying to spot any real or/and imagined flaws/sins in my so-called “brethrens” and to get ahold of the elders in no-time for the sake of keeping the congro clean, pure, undefiled.
My brethrens did not save any torpedoes against my person either. But we forgave each other (apparently…sorta ‘procedural forgiving’) …didn’t the same squabbles happen in the first century too? We’d been (and they still are) indoctrinated there too.
Above all, I cherished the (despicable) hope and died to see billions and billions of innocent people, disabled and children and babies wantonly slaughtered, electrocuted (by sky-incoming lightnings), crushed and murdered, dismembered, burnt alive in order for the name of pathetic and pitiful SHITHOLE ‘yhwh’ to be vindicated at Armageddon. Was even more looking forward to seeing their billions of unburied corpses eaten by the ‘birds of the sky’… after all, hadn’t the bastards deserved such shameful end by refusing to become active witlesses?
I endorsed all the blasphemous doctrines (no blood, no sex outside marriage, zero tolerance towards criticism, independent analysis/thinking, the need -for the sake of the limpdom of god- to push litera-trash door-to-door, the vital need to attend all the one-way mud-flow of dis-information at the local mosques/limpdom halls where our local mullahs/elders dished out the endless excreta by the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger) and last but not least unquestioning, unqualified, total and blind belief, obedience and submission to the chain of command.
Which also meant giving over my God-given autonomy in order for my life and psyche to be totally run by the terrorists at the Towers of All Terrors.
I spoke their degenerate language using and abusing all the moronic buzz words typical of their excremental “theocratese”.
I did, felt and thought whatever they -the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger and their appointed mullahs/elders told me to think, feel and do.
It didn’t matter there were irreconcilable contradictions between elders and doctrines and arrangements at all level and across the pyramid. I danced and tip-toed all the time in order to be the perfect sewage they wanted me to be.
I knew nobody gave a shit about me but in my hollow mind and foolishness it didn’t matter at all. Hadn’t jesus the christo catholic-invented scarecrow emptied himself in order to become like one of us and die and go thru the most shameful of abuses by his own people?
In short, I realized and had to HONESTLY admit to myself that I belonged -by endorsing such most and unparalleled blasphemous cult which prays day and night to see planetary carnage- to the worst category of people on earth.
Not because I had actually committed any felony according to the law (though I believe that the watchtower society and ALL their stoogies should be trialed for crimes against humanity, my parents first of all), no, but because it is those unthinking individuals like I WAS that are used as the perfect -but cheap- tools by genocide mongers and monsters of all kinds to carry out their, fiendish agendas.
It was tough, but I had to analyze myself and accept the conclusions, implications and consequences.
Which meant that such frame of mind I had as a jehov-ordure witless is the same as those who today we call ‘TERRORISTS’ nothing less and, perhaps, something more….
It took some time till I could not take it anymore of my (at long last healthy and just) self-loathing for letting these watchtowerian creepy monsters to transform me into another blasphemous monster and a terrorist-minded criminals like they are.
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Posted on July 25, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Thanks for your response, granted there is some sarcasm in my tone. Having proselytized for the Watchtower I do know the higher the education someone has, the less likely they are to become indoctrinated – every JW knows that you catch people when they are weak, i.e., having gone through a divorce, loss of a loved one, unplanned pregnancy, loss of a job, or some other significant disappointment that makes one more susceptible to the belief we are in a soon to end world controlled by the Devil.
I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and as you may know, there is no freedom of thought allowed for the children of JW’s, the doctrines of the Watchtower are to be taken as absolute truth. While like most JW children, I found it difficult being a JW and felt there was no way I was going to be one as an adult. But unfortunately I was not adept or capable of discounting the dogma/brainwashing and became a loyal JW in my early adult years, i.e., pioneering, turning down my non-JW Grandmother’s offer to put me through College, going to Bethel, being a good little Ministerial Servant etc. I was miserable, everything within my gut told me something was wrong but I just couldn’t understand the turmoil I was going through. I remember exactly where I was standing in the Watchtower shipping department when the thought crossed my mind “this is a cult,” however as all JWs are taught to believe their own thoughts negative toward the Watchtower are a result of their own inherent weakness and are propagated by the Devil, I quickly dismissed the thought the same as I had dismissed thousands of other light bulbs going off in my head. I remember riding in the plane home after a couple of years at Bethel, I couldn’t articulate the feeling then but looking back on it I can describe it as feeling I had just been f@#$&d in the ass for the last couple of years. As the growth of JWs in the United States has been flat, I suspect what little growth that offsets the exodus is from those that are raised as JWs and they are the real victims as they really have little choice as it is extremely difficult to leave one’s entire social structure.
to Ron Raymond,
Thank you Ron for your post. I agree on every word you say. I couldn ‘t have described the Towers of All Terrors’ reality better than you did, especially the second part of your post.
One thing however I think you might be wrong about (unless of course you wanted to be sarcastic):
the watchtower society NEVER HAD AND WILL NEVER HAVE ANY DILEMMA. This is because their target audience/potential masochist slaves are those mindless morons that due to their arrested and flawed psychological and (oftentimes physical) development and pathological, inborn vileness refuse to think and only need a slavemaster that plays god with their lives, soul, conscience (provided they got any in the first place) and the future (AND DEATH AND MURDER) of their children.
I am confused, she and her husband are chiropractors, and doesn’t becoming a chiropractor require “higher education?” How did she and her husband become chiropractors when the Watchtower so adamantly discourages higher education but to rather “trust in Jehovah” and “put the Kingdom first” especially since the world is coming to an end? Were they lucky enough to acquire their skills prior to becoming a Jehovah’s Witness or were there parents elders and they were able to go to college without the typical “marking” as being spiritually weak that happens to someone that is not “putting the Kingdom first?”
The Watchtower Corporation has a dilemma, they need the services of higher skill sets but they know from their 100 plus years of fine tuning, the disenfranchised are more susceptible their dictates. For those of you that are Jehovah’s Witnesses, you know what I am talking about, have you ever noticed that in this “time of the end” its always the children of elders that go to college but the elders are all to eager to offer up the fatherless boys or other disenfranchised by encouraging them to “put the Kingdom first?” Oh yes, they will assuage themselves of their hypocrisy by offering up their services at Bethel for a few years – for those of you that have been at Bethel, you know what I am talking about, those that have acquired skills for which the Watchtower so adamantly discourages, they are treated like Rock Stars, i.e., Doctors, Lawyers, etc., will be put up with their families in million $ brownstones but the rest of the working tools are made to feel it is a great privilege to work in one of the Society’s mind numbing operations.
Ray, the only point is on your head. You are clueless as to a persons intentions, How about this, she was injured. I know them personally, unlike you so stop judging.
From your comment it is easy to tell you are an idiot.
Well… it’s true that the society took a commitment to look after them, however… your are WRONG to say they are slaves, that just dumb. These people take a vow of poverty and were given a stipend as long as they were there. The WT does takes care of their needs… and does the same for all of the bethelites. NOW… to be fair, we have no clue to what ALL the facts (or truth) may or may not be in this case. So to generalize and assume there is a double standard is irresponsible. We know nothing other than these two were in bethel since the late 1990’s. We do know that Fred Franz was in bethel FAR FAR LONGER, since 1920 to be exact. That IN ITSELF, under any standard of measurement would afford Fred Franz the benefit of doubt and entitlement to additional care. These folks, while its terrible she was injured are still young enough take care of themselves… after all, he is a DOCTOR of Chiropractic, he can take care of his secular needs (and his wife’s) just fine. Fred was very old and very fragile in his last years… to make this comparison is simply disingenuous to say the least.
Good point! It makes you question their integrity and intentions from the start.
Open your eyes and use your brain Chris. What you will see is that most of us were of the JW cult, we opened our eyes and used our brains, only to find out the Watchtower Society is nothing more than a false prophet.
Aye, and before you go around calling people’s religions a “cult” you should learn something about it. Oh no, we don’t celebrate Christmas… is that really reason for so many web sites to be made for the sole purpose of “OMG these people are DANGEROUS! look, some lady hurt her back running to a bus and ALL they did was take care of her for three solid years, then give her 79,000 when she was working as a volunteer.
How cruel!
Aye, people go to bethel to volunteer, they don’t get paid, but they get a free place to stay and free meals while they’re there. But it’s well established that there are no pay checks… you don’t go there to make money. They took care of her for 3 years straight, then gave her a pretty decent stipend, so she sues them for an extra $400 a week? I work full time and I don’t make $400 a week…. on top of $79k…
Especially from the description… it says she hurt herself while running to catch a bus… It’s not like she’d be fired if she were late for something, there’s no reason she should’ve been running if the act of running could debilitate her for years on end. Did the bus run over her or something? Then I could see suing the driver…
to charlene,
yes, and in the meantime you’ve cuckolded your pluri-cuckolded god by scorning its commands thru the filthful and disgraceful slavebugger not to touch anything unclean like this apostate site. But guess what, this site is avidly read mainly by your bros and sisses.
and that BS verse by Luke you mention? well that’s what all followers of the most famous scarecrow in history say as well, not only jehov-ordure or jehowhore witlesses
Charlene,
Dunno why I bother to answer to a one skip skedadle comment, or as I prefer to know it as drive by preaching. ie. You lot are wrong you idiots, read this scripture: wah wah!
I will therefore direct this comment to all Jehovah’s or indeed any extreme religionist Christians out there.
Here are 3 simple questions you have to ask yorself?
#1.Get to know on what your belief is based, remember the Minnisota massacre, this particular cult had a leader who claimed to be Christ, turned out to be a lunatic. Pity the followers at the time thought he was inspired. What a shame they were all killed.
#2. If your religion claims to be the one and only, and claims to have devine inspiration, pray let them prove it. A simple resurrection or immediate healing will do.
Show me an amputee that immediatly had his arm or leg grow back and you will have convinced me.
#3. Most importantly, show me a religious organization that allows you to be a member of their community free of charge. No contributions, no selling of worthless magazines under the presumption of a non-profit organization hereby breaking the grand old number 9 commandment of not bearing false witness ie. talking bullshit.
How you can sit in a congregation and accept everything they say without question? Without an iota of proof or anything other than a suggestive mind as I previously mentioned in the Minnesota cult is almost beyond me, yet there I was just like you, lucky I woke up.
Above all show me that you have done research on the Bible and have found definite proof of Jesus really existing and proof of the Bible not being written by a bunch of maniacs (who could not agree with one another) and yet most people still believe non-withstanding.
Cheers,
Markus