Michael Jackson's brother Jermaine confirms the possibility that Michael will convert to Islam
In 2005 we already reported the possibility that Michael Jackson had decided to convert to Islam. Jermaine Jackson, Michael’s brother, who converted to Islam in 1989 said it is likely that Michael Jackson will convert to Islam. Jermaine said: “I think it is most probable that Michael will convert to Islam.”
“When I came back from Mecca I got him a lot of books and he asked me lots of things about my religion and I told him that it’s peaceful and beautiful. He read everything and he was proud of me that I found something that would give me inner strength and peace. He could do so much, just like I am trying to do. Michael and I and the word of God, we could do so much.”
Michael has been staying in Bahrain as a guest of the royal family.
Source: Associated Content
Anon,
You forgot to mention that singularis is “single” but unicus, -a, -um, means “one of a kind”, so Brooklyn Heights got that wrong, too. (In fact, Mark got that right…)
Then the construct “heart of his existence” cannot be right, because it is singular, and the verb of the sentence is plural. (”includi”)
Also, apart from aliquod and quidem,, he did not translate “enim”at the the beginning.
So, I would not call it “neat”, it’s sloppy!
So I would have given him a D at best…., even given the fact that the original Latin was not quite up to standard.
Brooklyn Heights please outline for all of us the prophecies of the Watchtower that have come true.
Secondly, could you perhaps explain why you would not only visit this site, you as well post comments?
Thirdly, I used to be a JW and know of many who have the same demeanor as you; however they are all uneducated to the point that they merely parrot Watchtower propaganda, what is your story?
Thank you,
James
Hi rel,
I’m glad, truly, that you run a successful business.
I almost like the way you state that one, seemingly to reassure yourself of your accomplishments. Well done.
I like successful people. Thanks to them many things have been discovered and invented which, in turn, have made my life much easier and comfortable than those of the people that lived in the past.
I think we were brothers once (Jehovah’s witnesses). If you wish, do tell me if that’s right.
Brooklyn Heights, I own and run a very successful business and I am a very successful man! And all done by a little of insecurity as according to you.
You on the other hand must be a very secure person, is that why you are part of a cult? Since you cannot use your brain you join the borg se they can think for you?
Could you explain what a secure/little insecurity means to you?
Call me whatever makes you feel good my friend. I have accomplished more by the age of 41 than most witnesses put together all their lives. The proof is in the pudding.
I laugh my way to the bank, and you? Keep on selling magazines for the WT
None but…………….is worthy of worship!
to rel:
Diagnosis confirmed (see quotation by rel below).
Many thanks.
rel states:
“I might be a little insecure” : the admission, followed by the obscure/erroneus phrasing “(as according to you)”.
PS please avoid abusive speech.
To Brooklyn Heights, wow from a few words you deducted I am insecure!?
Let me guess you must be a counselor (jw window washer) that 3 times a week becomes a shepherd in the congregation.
I might be a little insecure (as according to you) but you my friend are totally brained washed by the towers of evil known to you as the watchtower.
Brookly Heights,
perhaps not a good idea for you try yourself at translating the bible. You have a good way to get the general gist across, but you translation style is very free and easy.
vocibus = ablative, meaning “using, by means of or with the “voices” (= words)”
“heart of his existence” ? neat, but not quite what is says.
you also missed quidem and aliquod… little partlicles not always easy to fit into modern English, granted, but not always a good idea to ignore them altogether.
So, when you seem to translate, it makes easy reading, but you are a bit too ready to sacrifice word-for word accuracy.
Grade: C+
to Mark and rel,
the right translation is the following:
“The pious Jew prayed daily the words of the Book of Deuteronomy which expressed the heart of his existence: “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your might” (6:4-5). Jesus united into a single precept this commandment of love for God and the commandment of love for neighbour found in the…“You shall love your neighbour as yourself”
and rel…you seem a little insecure, but you shouldn’t. I think you’re on the right path. A good person.
Thanks Mark for the translation, the bozo (Brooklyn Heights) speaks some Latin and I guess it makes him feel on top of the world. Why would anyone want to speak Latin anyway, not a very functional language in this day.
Anyway I just wanted to know if that was Kathy or Don Adams, but apparently it is Brooklyn Heights. Same shit wouldn’t you say?
rel:
the not entirely corrent Latin above tries to say more or less this:
“Therefore a believing Israelite prayed daily with the words of the book of Deuteronomy, where the renewal and kernel of his life are found (”included”):
‘Listen Israel, the Lord, our God, is one God. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength.’ ([Deut.] 6:4-5)
In a somewhat unique concept Jesus combined the command for the love of God with the commandment to love one’s neighbour which is truly contained in:
‘Love your neighbour as you love yourself.’”
the part of the sentence
…ubi includi is novit suae vitae nucleum…
does not seem to make total sense, so I assumed it was meant to say:
…ubi includi novitas et suae vitae nucleus…, and this what I translated.
No doubt I get a comment back telling me the right spelling…
to rel….
Credens enim Israelita cotidie vocibus precatur Libri Deuteronomii, ubi includi is novit suae vitae nucleum: « Audi, Israel: Dominus Deus noster, Deus unus est. Diliges Dominum Deum tuum ex toto corde tuo, ex tota anima tua, et ex tota fortitudine tua » (6, 4-5). In unicum aliquod praescriptum coniunxit Iesus amoris Dei mandatum cum amoris proximi praecepto, quod quidem continetur in
« Diliges proximum tuum sicut te ipsum »
thank you for your attention…and diligence…
Is that you Kathy? or is it Don Adams?
Bipolar back in swing?Which personality are you using this time?
it is true.
i am one of the governing body of the WTBTS.
we laugh our asses off thinking about the consequences of our foolish doctrines upon the cheap lives of our stupid slaves.
these slaves are all those squirts that go to our kingdom halls.
but these slaves are happy so.
so why change things?
we admire islam for its indocrination powers
today they are our example to follow.
but we will be better than them at doing this and much more.
it’s only a question of time.
don’t say you weren’t warned…
to MK
you’re right. Mr/(Ms/Mrs???) drool-after-whiteskin-and-lovelybabies Jackson ain’t interested in anybody here.
But you could’ve spared us another serving of religion-related drivel.
ask God to do what? Endure life?
But I ask you: what is the rationale behind human condition that would justify the HORROR going on on this planet?
Gawd Speedometer
Please brother!! Understand that God helps those who help themselves. God helps those who seek his help. Youre asking Michael as if he was some sort of god. I assure you that he is not interested in helping you and isnt even reading this website. Ask God to help you. Turn to your relgious book and seek solace in your prayers.
God Speed.
to Truth,
I tell you why: because that one of the things they are very good at, it’s second nature to them. As shown by the evidence in this and thousands other sites, we now know that:
Murder, fraud, deceit, devil-worship, spiritual harlotry and the transformation of insecure foolish losers into repressed sex freaks is what they (Watchtower) do best in order to enjoy a closer relationship with their god, that is, tons of cash and power, glory and prestige among the empty-skulls of their pitiful slaves.
You think they buy chumps’ hearts but they actually get their asses. That does for those scumbags called Governing Body the real masters of jehovah’s crookdom.
And I’m 100% sure they, the Governing Body of jehovah’s witlesses LAUGH THEIR ASSES OFF at the thought of their slaves screwing up their worthless lives for a bunch of reprobates as they are.
Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! AaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Yehove’s witness pays a lot of money to people for converting. Why do you spread your religion with corruption?
You buy the people hearts, it doesnt mean religion…
to Omer Adil
hello brother, you see, it’s just the “punishing part” that makes me uncomfortable. These are threats, in other words you made my point when I stated that Islam is a fundamentalist religion, meaning that everthing is cut-and-dried, black and white, no middle way. I respect your position but to me and from my experience in life things in most cases are not black and white. Lucky you if you are always 100% sure about what to do or not to do.
I was already “punished” when I got expelled from the jehovah’s witless congregation just for simply exercising my rightful freedom of speech.
When you talk like this my mind goes somewhat back to those days.
Please don’t label mine as dirty language: there was none.
In fact, reflect on this one question: unless I’m dreaming I know that in various parts of the world muslims kill each other. Why??? Isn’t an extremist strategy to resort to violence especially against your own brothers that you should all love each other despite differences?
God bless
look mate those who r non muslims if u cant accept Islam, then stop sayin bad abut our religion…
when we dont say nythin bad abt ur religion then why do u guys say bad… plz u will be punished 4 this not hear but after death u will be punished…so tc abt this…n this is not a joke
Plz search abt islam just once n u will get got results…
u know nothing abt islam thats why u using dirty language…
n as a human i m sayin this 2 u my bro my friend watever
BYE ALL TC
hi jemo,
obviously you are a JW. I was for a number of years. In my family some are still elders.
I’m sure you would fiercly deny the following but guess what, it doesn’t change reality.
LIKE MUSLIM:
the watchtower is a fundamentalist, extremist cult.
the watchtower (actually their rank-and-file cos their bosses believe only in cash) believe in a book (the bible) written by crooks (the bible by the jewish first and then by the popes, but I’m sure you bought another version of history, right?).
the watchtower teaches that those who don’t convert to their sect do not deserve life eternal on earth or anywhere else for that matter (what’s more important than this my dear friend???).
the watchtower has fixed rituals (5 meetings, prayers before meals, 10-12 hrs minimum field service [pushing literature].
the watchtower is a cultish sect not of divine origin but man-made.
the watchtower advocates sex inequality.
JWs can’t criticize their leadership/teachings/doctrines at no level. Can’t even beg to differ…
The only striking difference between JWs and muslims is that muslims are always proud of their religion even when they are a minority, whereas JWs are (rightly) ashamed of their identity even when they are the majority (e.g. at conventions, get-togethers, even during the preaching work/literature pushing).
This I could see by the fact that we never actually talked or entertained interesting discussions about jehovah’s crookdom whilst discussions about the filth going on in the congregation always got our total attention and involvement (slander and gossips about the pathetic power struggles within the congregation, the slandering, the retaliations, the scams, and especially the not ver well covered up sex-related scandals e.g. adultery -as now I know that over 90% of married couples did have affairs within and without the congregation- paedophilia and some cases of homosexuality).
Worse still a boy that was caught in homosexual acts -not actual copulation only petting was disfellowshipped whereas the son of an elder that all know he’s got -to this date- a non-JW gay partner hasn’t been disfellowshipped.
I’ll come back to you listing other points of contact where the watchtower society tries to ape Islam with their pyramidal type of totalitarian organization devoid of freedom of speech and thought but only the parroting of “troofs” most /all of whom will not be such anymore replaced by the new light…and new cash flow towards Brooklyn…
Bye
‘Besides, you also have on your side over six millions of rabble ready to be used as cannon fodder for the ends of islam, that is, the pseud-christians-muslim-at-heart jehovah’s witlesses.’
Please explain why you made the above statement. Is it because Jermaine Jackson converted to Islam or you actually understand the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
From my knowledge they are very different from Muslims. The only similarity is that they do not believe in the trinity which by the way is not in the bible. They do not believe in any form of violence while Muslims believe in certain justifiable forms of violence. From my understanding the holy prophet of Islam Mohammed (PBUH) had an army. This might lead other Muslims into having armies as well and Muslim history and present is repleat with examples.
This is just one example of the difference between the two religions.
One other example would be the punishment and torture that Allah the Muslim God reserves for sinner and none belivers. Jehovah’s Witnesses based on the Bible do not believe that God would use his miracle powers to keep any human alive for eternity while burning in a hell fire. In fact even Satan will be distroyed with fire but not kept to burn forever otherwise the mercy we speak about of God would only be for a short term but the most cruel ‘justice’ forever.
That’s it for now hope to hear back.
Thank you
Me again,
forgot to stress the fact that now I’m out of the clutches of the WTBTS.
Better a day out of jehovah’s sickdom than eternity in it.
I mean it.
jehovah’s witlesses sect is only a travesty of christianity. Their core ideology, the robotic automata produced by their crushing cogs and wheels belong to islam.
The only difference is that muslim are usually proud of their religion (even when they are a minority) and also have the guts to fight for it
(this is immoral though).
jehovah’s witlesses on the other hand are ashamed of their religion even when they are the majority. Can’t forget in fact that at conventions, get-togethers, while pushing literature, etc. we never talked about our “hopes” , that is, jehovah’s crookdom. We always gossiped and trashed our brothers especially the elders.
That, I have to confess, I miss, because life in the congregation was a never-ending meddling with scandals, feuds, revenges, retaliations, not to mention its internal engrossing power struggles. Better than living in a tabloid.
I did not care about those fights so I enjoyed it with a clinical eye.
God bless this site and all those who have really opened their eyes and refuse to be puppets in the hands of their religious slavemasters
To Steve P:
All you say is the truth and the reality of those countries is actually much worse than hell.
To a muslim:
even your body position when you pray is ridiculous. Sorry to say that man.
It reminds me of people ready to take it…well, you know where, don’t you?
In fact even if islam really were the true religion and I agreed on its laws I would still refuse to become such just because I’m disgusted seeing men in a doggy style position. Good for faggots not for heterosexuals.
But the “true religion” does not exist because as I was taught at the kindom hall religion serves only to strip people of their dignity, humanity, mind, life and….cash…
Allah is great! Alleluya!
dream on girl!
please my dear God Allah, please let me understand why I’m a muslim, please!
Hi muslim girl,
I think you’re very, very right when you say that one day every person will be a muslim.
In fact, unless the west wakes up from their fucked up state your prophecy is going to be true.
Besides, you also have on your side over six millions of rabble ready to be used as cannon fodder for the ends of islam, that is, the pseud-christians-muslim-at-heart jehovah’s witlesses.
may God….
look…there is no muslim on this page tht went against ur religion…YOU ALL ARE SINNERS…YOU WILL BE PUNISHED..PLZ DONT SAY A WORD AGAINST OUR RELIGION..muslim is the right way..and when u find tht out ..it will be too late… …one day everyone person will be a muslim..ameen.michael jackson…may allah bless you..and to all the muslims..theres no point of arguing with these kafars…just follow this right path…
None but Allah is worthy of worship
Unfortunately, my Muslim friend, I know far too much about Islam, which is why I describe it as dark. For starters, it’s founding “prophet” was a pedophile:
Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”
Ishaq:281 “When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three.”
Tabari IX:131 “…The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41023
Hopefully one day you’ll come to know the true God, “Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” 1 Timothy 2:4. Salvation is only through Christ, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Romans 5:8-9
Romanian Linguare…Acest site apartine organizatie Martorilor lui Iehova?
Si e adevarat ca Michael Jakson a fost un Martor al lui Iehova?
Mersi anticipat
what prove u say that Quran is a mix of other religion? please understand islam and quran first.. n then i can tolerate with ur complaining? ok? owh.. u said that quran was created by man.. then of course ‘man’ can make a better version of quran rite? what about u make 1.. a greater version of ‘religion’ that is ‘perfect’ other than islam?
read the al-quran, understand it from an other muslim .. and if u can find even one error.. please tell me.. and will gladly convert to any religion u find suitable..
u said that islam is dark religion? huh? please.. before you judge a religion, know about them first.. before yu have anything to complain about islam, please know what islam is all about.. may god bless you..
i just want to say.. for someone who know nothing.. dont ever say that you know everything, before you say that islam is bad, what about you talk to muslims about islam, ask thm what islam is all about.. don’t ever say that islam is bad even hough you don’t know about islam.. god bless you..
when the oppressed and enslaved people of those countries where islamic regimes today rule like it ruled in ancient Israel (with their jewish hell-born nazism i.e. the old testament as a whole),
well, when the people of those muslim countries will become conscious of their misery and overturn once and for all their tyrants, they’ll finally have a life and the world a better place.
I wish a better future for our brothers in those countries and peace and prosperity deriving from cultural and scientific progress between all people and real freedom and respect for human life and dignity.
so michael jackson would in your opinion believe in jehovah god the phony scarecrow of paleo-jewish make they in turn drew from other cut-throat cave-dweller monsters’ own demon.
you know pal? I think you’re right seeing what a thing Mr drool-after-minors jackson has become over the last decades. a shameful american icon.
I’m 100% sure that m jackson thinks that the world must be really sick to have made him a star instead of making him plung into oblivion. Here Mr jackson may be dead right.
Hello michael i am shamim again.I read your letter and i translated for my own.I AM AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR TALKS.and i am shamim not shamin. MICHAEL I WANT TO BE WITH YOU,I MEAN JUST ME AND YOU,AND NOT ANY BODY ELSE JUST ME AND YOU.MICHAEL I REALY WANT TO BE WITH YOU BUT I CANNOT IREALY CANNOT GO OUT.MY FAMILY DONT LET ME AND MY COUNTRY DONT LET ME TO GET OUT FROM THIS HELL.JUST YOU,AND YOU,AND YOU,….. CAN TAKE ME OUT OF IRAN.YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS: IRAN,TEHRAN,VANAK,MOLLASADRAstreet.SHEIKHBAHAEE SHOMAALIstreet.DANESHVAREH GHARBI ALLEY.PLAQUE 46,LAYER 2,BELL 2.(SHAMIM).PLEASE PAY ATTENTION MICHAEL PLEASE COME PLEASE………. my friends say i am look like you .you should come and see me.ME AND YOU CAN MOVE THE WORLD.JUST ME AND YOU.THINK ABOUT IT MICHAEL JUST SHAMIM,MICHAEL,GOD.AND I REALY DONT LIKE ARABS AND ARABIANS AND ISRAEELIAN “”” I JUST LOVE GOD,ISLAM AND YOU,AND WHEN YOU COME I WANT TO CHANGE MY FAMILY FROM ABDOLLAHI TO JACKSON (SHAMIM JACKSON) “””.AGAIN THINK ABOUT IT WE CAN MOVE THE WORLD ALL OVER THE WORLD.MICHAEL PLEASE PAY ATTENTION ITS NOT A JOKE I REALY WANT YOU AND IREALY LOVE YOU AND I HAVE JUST WANT BE WITH YOU UNTILL MY DEATH. MICHAEL WHEN ALL OVER THE WORLD SAYED THAT YOU ARE ACCUSED I DIDNT BELIVE THAT AND I LOVED YOU AND I MUNIFICENCED YOU IN MY HEART AND I LOVED YOU,AND I STEEL LOVE YOU.COME COME AND JUST COME AND HELP ME TO BE TO GETHER.AND DONT FORGET MY ID:SHAMIM_JACKSON_90 .I AM WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER. DEAR LOVE SHAMIM.
Information according to laquel Mickael Jackson it would be converted has Islam is completely unfounded, it makes only the happiness of the Moslems and of Islamic propaganda, propaganda which they regularly use while propagating of false conversion has Islam, such that orders it cousteau which actually it is never converted has Islam (already, ordering it Cousteau was buried in catholic cemetery.)
in the Cousteau encyclopaedia (I can provide information additional to knowing in which that page is as well as the remarks WORD FOR WORD which are registered there if you ask + information) I read that the commander Cousteau affirm the opposite of what is written in Coran, that salted water and water mixes indeed and that more or less quickly the whole depending only on turbulence. Whereas the passage which would have encouraged the commander Cousteau to convert with Islam (see Sourate XXV, verse 25 or 23 following had translation) speaks about INSUPERABLE barrier between fresh and salted water.
The Cousteau foundation contradicted conversion with the Islam of the commander Cousteau in a mail dating from November 2, 1991. Cousteau was thus still living at the time, this official statement was thus not transmitted after its death! Because much of adherent Moslems to this idea affirms that it is only after the death of Cousteau that the foundation contradicted and thus that Cousteau could not be expressed itself on the subject, this precision is thus important, it was alive at the time of the facts.
But I do not stop there since the rumour says that it converted 3 months before its death, therefore which it would have called into question all that it wrote in its encyclopaedia. However I put myself the question has to know: with when does go up the last diving of the commander Cousteau? Did it have still physical competences to plunge at the age of 87ans in the Red Sea? Personally I think that not and if I have good memory towards the end of these reports it did not plunge more, it left this spot with those of his team, much younger (attention I did not check that). Always it is that it is not very probable that it is plunged at the age of 87ans in the Red Sea. It was born on June 11, 1910 and it died on June 25, 1997.
Finally to finish, I was interested in the arguments adversaries affirming high and strong that the commander Cousteau converted with Islam. The arguments are as follows: It was thus said to me it is true (veracious!) My Imam said it to me I saw the cassette in question where it speaks about that like what the fresh and salted water does not mix. I then answered him “that would astonish me since it converted 3mois before its death and it died in 1997 gold the cassette on the report of the Red Sea thus dates from the Eighties it does not have pus statement that during the report which you say SEE”. With this answer I added: “moreover one official statement of the foundation going back to 1991 specified already that this rumour was unfounded” (like known as higher). I do not even give you the details and the insults which I received in full face following my argumentation.
Moreover in the various forums which I visited I surprised to believe that much is persuaded that Cousteau, Napoleon!!!!!!!!!, Michael Jackson, Amstrong converted all with Islam.
the defenders of the thesis that Cousteau, that Napoleon, that Mickael Jackson, Amstrong…. converted has Islam rests on the arguments. “it was thus said to me it is true”. However Islam entirely rests on this mode to think: “it was thus said to me it is true”.
I finished some with this long email. I would really like that you take this information with largest serious. I personally knew two people who converted themselves with Islam into having learned that the commander Cousteau had converted him too. There are several techniques used by believing Moslem in order to converting most naive. For French the argument is Cousteau, for my friends of extraction African, West-Indian, in light for my friends of black color one makes them believe that there is only the Vatican which guaranteed slavery in Africa… they mask the slavery perpetrated by the Moslems on the African Eastern coasts (islands of Zanzibar in particular), nearly 20 million blacks were off-set, and that continues still today with the problem of Sudan, but about that nobody speaks about it. Largest slave in the world are not the white and not, they are Arabic musulmants.
the slavery perpetrated by the Moslems is greatest perpetrated slavery. More than the white man
the danger is there ENORMOUSLY OF PEOPLE SE CONVERTS Only Because OF ORDER COUSTEAU, do not take this with the light one! NOT IT It IS NOT CONVERTED A ISLAM, MICHAEL JACKSON It IS NOT EITHER CONVERTED A ISLAM AND NAPOLEON EITHER AND AMSTRONG Either.
MICHAEL JACKSON always believes in Jéhovah God.
What I always find sad is when someone like Jackson moves from darkness to even greater darkness. It seems that if you get turned off by a fraud and don”t find God, then the chance of being duped by something even worse is pretty high.
“When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.” (Matt 12:43-45)
youll probably never read this. follow your heart michael, jermaines a good guy, islam is a great religion. listen to you heart. i love you .. tinkerbelle
i love you michael
May Allah, The Exalted in Might and Power, have Mercy upon you! May He guide you to the Straight Path! Ameen.
You think Jesus taught anything new or innovative? Hardly,,,,it’s all regurgitated,,,,when asked by a student to summarize the Tanakh (Old Testament), Rabbi Hillel said “That which is hateful to your self, do not do to your neighbor,,,,,the rest is commentary.” Jesus isn’t the only one who taught love thy neighbor,,,he wasn’t even the first,,,Holly
Whats the difference? Both religions belong to the Satan.
To Teri:
I never heard such garbled nonsense, I am sorry to say. Try and read some books on Church History and some on Muslim History, and on Muslim theology.
Your article is well meant, but completely and utterly inacurate.
For a start, when the papacy developed a (very misguided) interest in Jerusalem, it already had been in Muslim hands for centuries. The biggest mistake the medieval papacy made in their policy of establishing a foothold in Jerusalem was to send as many European hooligans to the Holy Land as possible to try to forcefully take it over. If the popes had simply asked the Muslim leader in Jerusalem if they could have some churches there for pilgrims, they would have got a resounding “yes, of course”.
Then, Islam does not, and has never “hated Jews” as such. In fact Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace for many centuries, and generally Jews were more respected in Muslim countries than Christian ones, and had fewer problems there. Christian enjoyed much the same priviledges in Muslim lands up until the politically suicidal decision of the popes to start the crusades. The Jewish-Muslim problem is a very recent one.
Even today, Muslims do not hate the Jewish religion, but they do resent the repression they experience by the Jewish state. As this situation was largely created by Christian countries, we, as Christians are to blame for that, I am afraid to say.
I’m in agreement with you! This is the first time i’ve ever posted on any website and i’ve spent the last few days reading all the info posted here. i could have personally written about 50% of the horror stories here verbatim. Its really strange how many of us have had exactly the same experiences as well as have come to the same conclusions. hope i get a chance to jump into a live post with you all sometime . keep up the good work!!!
Ask the muslims why they hate the Jews and vice versa, they probably don’t have a clue where it really started from… When it comes to comparing Muslims with Jehovah’s Witnesses; it is beyond me how anyone can even see any similarities. Whereas one was totally made up from the very one it claims to be so different from, the Vatican itself, who saw to it that Mohammed was hand-picked and trained by their assigned “masters”, to teach him to hate the Jews so that they would have an army of Muslims working for them so that they could con and lead them to attack Jerusalem as it was unthinkable for Christians to do it themselves; (…, to be exact who were always the real head at the Vatican!)
One problem they had never even imagined was that after giving them their “absolute made-up from scratch religion” of their own; instead of being grateful to the Catholic head who now wanted them to take over Jerusalem for them, they refused and became “public enemy number one,” as it were. They gathered their own army, their own ideas and refused to follow any more of the pope’s guidelines whatsoever and did away with his representative as to the Vatican’t horror, they totally turned “insane” on them, treating them like the pagans that they had themselves invented… On the other hand, suppose Jesus never lied (and he didn’t) when he said that even though he loved his heavenly Father so much that they were as close as though they were one… that he had learned everything from him to the point that they were of one mind as they agreed on absolutely everything but that without his Father Jehovah, he was nothing, that all things he did for the sake of the one who sent him, that he was here to speak of the new kingdom of God, that he was the king of that kingdom but that one day, he would give it back to his Father, after the thousand years, when all mankind would finally have been tested and found deserving of ever-lasting life. Whereas Jesus had the option to either die for our sins or accept Satan’s offer to rule over all of the kingdoms of this world, Jehovah could never have been given what was His from the start. If Jesus were himself the same as the almighty God, Satan wouldn’t have been so stupid as to even attempt such an offer as he himself had been appointed the position (ruler of the earth for a specific and divinely important reason)by Jehovah in the first place, knowing full well that it was temporary, that his time was running out and that it would soon be time for him to be thrown into the abyss along with a good number of his brothers, now considered demons awaiting judgement. Jesus died, without ever once making mention of a trinity, a rapture or purgatory (and so many other of Babylon the Great’s paganistic mysteries), went down to hell for parts of three days which false religions want their blind “followers” to believe was a place of fiery torment, which is in fact nothing more than the common grave of mankind; ’sheol’ in Hebrew and ‘hades’ in Greek… all translated “hell” in their translations of the bible. Whereas Jehovah the Eternal one who’s only begotten son Jesus-Christ was his very first creation and together they eventually created man in their image…, never ever died not for even one second and never could die for he is Eternal. He said from his throne: “This is my son, the one whom I have approved…” and he isn’t so dumb as to call himself his own son. Furthermore, to say that the two are one is not only calling them both liars, but making him an idiot who can’t even add one plus one plus one. It is sad but not surprising (considering his experience) how the god of this system of things has done such a good job of seriously blinding the masses to the simple truth of the bible, which unlike the Q’ran, is the only book that claims divine inspiration. In light of all this, I can’t understand how a person can ever compare Muslims with the Witnesses or how you can accuse Jehovah’s Witnesses of not being “Christians” as they may very well be the only true Christians in the world… “By their fruit, you will recognize my people”, is what Jesus had said. And I can verily prove who it is not!!!, except for a small group of people, who God forbid, weren’t born His people as no one is before they get themselves out of the clutches of false religion we are all born into, who voluntarily agreed to re-make their minds over, putting on the new personality of Christ, the real one… for no longer accepting the lies they had been fed since just about the time they were born. To the contrary, the heeded the commandment to “get out of her my people, if you don’t want to share in her sins…” and blood-shed that reaches all the way to His nostrils as they killed His prophets and all true “Christians” on the earth at one point or another. Is it so difficult for people in high places, who claim to be responsible for so many, who have so much influence, to make more sure of all things. After all, He did inspire the prophet Daniel to write just how abundant the true knowledge would become in the last days… Thank you for your time and for reading this as I pray God’s blessing for all.
Herman,
There is one very big difference: real biblical scholars make no attempt to hide the origins of the bible, including any influences or parallels to other writings.
In fact, such comparisons are useful for a fuller understanding of the text, and any real Christian studies them. Like you, I also have a strong dislike of Christian fundamentalists who have little real understanding of the ancient texts.
In Islam, the Q’ran is given a supernatural orgin, so that real study of the text is hindered from the start. If you apply the same historical methods to the Q’ran as to the bible, you find it is a uniform text (with one or two small possibly later additions, but this is uncertain), so it is clear it was conceived by just one person, not, like the bible, by many. That person may have had some help from others, but essentially is is of one mind only.
The actual teachings are a moving from salvation by grace to salvation by works, so they echo an earlier age than the New Testament, the age of Leviticus, for example.
This is the main problem with Islamic teaching for a Christian, and it is closely linked to Christ being demoted to a “prophet”; this seems to be done mainy for the sake of inclusion, to give Christians access to Islam. In fact, it shows a complete misunderstanding of Christian doctrine, because, far from enabling Christian to embrace Islam, this teaching firmly alientates them from it, because it firmly rejects the key Christian belief.
Overall, as Islam is essentially a slightly revised version of the rather stagnant Leviticus theology, placing emphasis on ritual cleanliness, rules, and particular actions to be performed, it is a religion based on a theology which has been roundly and fully rejected in the later thinking, as, of example, expressed in much of the New Testament.
I am not religious, and that’s why I am able to see things in perspective…
What you said about the Q’ran is also applicable to the ‘Holy’ Bible. This influential book has many passages ‘stolen’ from Egypt and other cultures.
Although I am not a fan of orthodox Islam, I don’t like the Christian extremism of the Bush government either.
To Swaze all the other fundamentalist Muslims posting here:
The Q’ran is a nice little book written in beautiful verse, but without any new religious insight. It simply stole ideas from Judaeism, Christianity and even Hinduism, mixed them all up, and hey presto, we have yet another silly version of “the truth”.
The most sickening part is that people get salvation by performing certain things, so God’s grace does not even get into it. As long as I do this or that, I’ll be ok, and I get to screw virgins in heaven… what do you take us for to peddle this garbage? We heard similar nonsense in a place called “Kingdom Hall”, and we are sick of people trying to con us.
The author of the precious silly book is clearly Mohammed himself, may be with the help of one or two other accomplices. His purpose was not to promote an advance in religious understanding, but to unify Arabic tribes under his control, and so to set himself up as a secular leader. The “Archangel Gabriel” bull-shit is just there to stop people from questioning his writings and teachings.
Once Mohammed succeeded in political dominace, he has shown himself to be a cruel, intolerant and vindictive man, spreading his fake religion by force. I doubt he even believed half of his own teachings, and, like all despots, he abused his power by killing loads of innocent people, and by gratifying his pleasures with child brides.
So if you want to spout on about Islam being the true religion, violence has been at the heart of this religion since its very beginning and ever since, as has discrimination against women, hatred of other believers and a ridiculous legalistic view of God, so how anybody can possibly believe such nonsense, is beyond me.
So, in short as Mohammed was a fraud and the Q’ran is barely worth the paper it is printed on as a religious text, your studid screams and shouts will do little to even get others to tolerate people like you, never mind the daft idea of anybody here ever accepting that fraud religion. People who got out of the JW know a con when they see one.