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Michael Jackson's brother Jermaine confirms the possibility that Michael will convert to Islam

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Michael Jackson IslamIn 2005 we already reported the possibility that Michael Jackson had decided to convert to Islam. Jermaine Jackson, Michael’s brother, who converted to Islam in 1989 said it is likely that Michael Jackson will convert to Islam. Jermaine said: “I think it is most probable that Michael will convert to Islam.”

“When I came back from Mecca I got him a lot of books and he asked me lots of things about my religion and I told him that it’s peaceful and beautiful. He read everything and he was proud of me that I found something that would give me inner strength and peace. He could do so much, just like I am trying to do. Michael and I and the word of God, we could do so much.”

Michael has been staying in Bahrain as a guest of the royal family.

Source: Associated Content

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  1. Romaine
    December 29th, 2010 at 03:34 | #1

    @Markus If is the God’s work even you are laughing of it, it will never be distroyed!!

  2. mark
    November 7th, 2010 at 06:44 | #2

    Michael Jackson has never converted to Islam, only his brother Jarmaine. Michael was a Christian

  3. Markus
    March 25th, 2010 at 05:48 | #3

    @wrdtfyguyniuj
    You sir are a liar. The JW do accept donations. Not only this but they do get you to do field service and ask for donations for the Watchtower and Awake magazines, all at no cost for your efforts, as you think you are doing God’s work.
    How about the free labor, and donations offered for a quick build. How about the nut-job feeble minded old folk that bequeathed all their monies in their wills to the WT.
    A grander money laundering outfit is yet to be established.
    Non-profit HAHA, funny how the organization are worth $billions.

    Cheers,
    Markus

  4. wrdtfyguyniuj
    March 25th, 2010 at 01:35 | #4

    Brooklyn Heights.
    Seriously seriously here u go again. no respect for anyone but yourself.
    ugh people like you sicken me.

  5. wrdtfyguyniuj
    March 25th, 2010 at 01:33 | #5

    Excuse Me??? Our religion is non profit which means WE DO NOT ACCEPT DONATIONS.
    You know what you should do instead of giving your money away to charity.
    Why not do something for a change like make sandwiches for the homeless, or feed the hungry.
    First of all your “friends” would have to be idiots to want to be friends with someone like you who has no respect for anyone. What bible do you read?? The one you wrote or the real one?

  6. Anonymous
    January 5th, 2008 at 20:48 | #6

    This site is very misinformed in many of its views of people who are members of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It seems that you have some sort of vendetta against the members. Everything you write about in this site is negative, have some form of optimism in your writing. What are you achieving my giving this negative publicity which is generally UNTRUE.

  7. aallillluuuuyaaa
    January 3rd, 2008 at 22:41 | #7

    what about a cross?!! its part of your religion, maybe you take it…. in some where! maybe your religion fellow women like to take it…. i wonder what kind of material for the cross you like.. in that process…wooden or metallic…
    the choice is yours…

  8. Graham
    December 23rd, 2007 at 15:51 | #8

    Well said Tosh… Bravo for your honesty

  9. James NON-JW
    September 7th, 2007 at 01:50 | #9

    The society is chosen for what, to spread false prophecy?
    Please indulge us, name one, just ONE prophecy/prediction (and they have had many) of this Watchtower Society that came true?
    Obviously you can’t, so what does the bible say about false prophets?

    Please don’t shot the messenger because of the message. You were sold a bill of goods that doesn’t live up to its story. In other words, you were lied too.
    Trust me; I was there along with many people.

    If you bother to reply, ask if Christ would condone an operation that has been so wrong for so long. Was Jesus or any other true prophet wrong?

  10. Don’t Worry
    September 6th, 2007 at 21:56 | #10

    Leave it…It’s easy to see this site is filled with crazy opinions. An “ordained minister” takes care of his house and family first. That is enough of a handful to keep busy without being discouraged from outside. It would make no difference for you to yell at anyone who has posted or to give enough of a convincing testimony to change someone’s mindset. I hope you stay strong enough to remember Jehovah comes first, the Society is just a chosen tool.

  11. otto marconi
    July 12th, 2007 at 11:02 | #11

    to TOSH,
    some of the things you say (e.g. leading a double life into religion) are reasonable.
    Yet you’re still a jaiuehiavueh witless at heart leading you to utter a very appalling and shameful and degrading and sickening sentence. Which I quote:
    “I was raised a jehovahs witness. I currently dont attend because i know i cant live up to bible standards the way i should”.

    Here you’re not only upholding the -for lack of a better word- SATANIC book called the bible as having principles worth of being lived by, but you also imply that you’re kinda sorry for this, that you SHOULD live up to bible standards only you can’t at the moment!!!

    Yes Tosh, I do believe that you were raised a jiuavoueh witless. You have no clue as to ethics, morality, values and healthy principles. Good luck.

  12. otto marconi
    July 12th, 2007 at 10:46 | #12

    to jbs
    unless you’re catholic (thus having an axe to grind) your comment is moronic. Why? Cos jesus the christo is a cartoon character invented by the early church leaders, who may not have initially (*) been known as catholic but the idea (catholic = universal) being there, that is spread the lie about jesus all over the world.
    If you reject your total ignorance about the historical origins of jesus the christo you’re into discovering interesting facts. But if you enjoy the spiritual dildo your religious leaders have firmly placed into that intimate place of yours, do keep dreming on.

    (*) wanted to underscore this beacuse some non-catholic christians in this site hold the view that the catholic church was a later development that had nothing to do with the invention of jesus and the editing of the first catholic catechism and doctrinal book, namely, the new testament.
    Of course non-catholic christians can’t stand the idea that their god and bible is, in actual fact, a Roman Catholic “lie-ful” (today we say BS…) invention.
    I’m sorry for them but they have to live with this reality.

  13. otto marconi
    July 12th, 2007 at 10:28 | #13

    to Ian,
    Islam a peaceful religion? I think yes, after having crushed people into absolute silence thru the sword, hanging, stoning, shunning, mutilation, shooting, torture, throatings, etc., etc.and numbed them with the terror of the consequences of simply breathing without their religious leaders apporoval.
    And for what? give ya an example: if a married woman chooses to sleeps with another man and she’s flushed she’s stoned.
    Is adultery a sin? No, because it was men that invented the concept of sin in order to rule over their slaves.
    Islam today (I’m not talking about terrorism) is just like Israel of old. Just read the horrific pages of the toilet paper called the old testament.
    Finally, the core idea behind religious terrorism, or the idea that, as a starting point, gives rise to religious terrorism is only one and is this: MY RELIGION IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND SO IS MY GOD.
    Yes, this insane ideology is the starting point of religious terrorism, which in some cases doesn’t develop into actual terrorism (depending on culture, education, etc) whereas in many other cases does develop behaviors and frames of mind leading to terroristic acts.
    Is any religious person here holding the murderous idea thet theirs is the true religion and true god?
    You are in very good company, in an international brotherhood. Compliments.

  14. IAN SOMERVILLE
    July 8th, 2007 at 23:53 | #14

    THIS ARTICLE IS BEYOND IRREVELANT. I GREW UP A JEHOVAH’S WITNESS FOR THE FIRST SIXTEEN YEARS OF MY LIFE, NEVER GOT BAPTIZED AND THEY WERE THE ONES WHO PUSHED ME OUT OF THE CONGREGATION. BOY THERE OVER ZEALOUS POLITICAL, SOCIAL, ECONOMICAL VEIWS. MICHEAL JACKSON AND ALL OF HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS GREW UP WINESSESS HE AND HIS MOTHER WERE THE ONLY TWO IN THERE FAMILY TO GET BAPTIZED. MICHEAL HAD GOTTEN BAPTIZED MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE SONG SELCTION ON THE THRILLER ALBUM. BILLY JEAN , WAS ABOT FORNICATION AND PREMARITAL SEX. THRILLER TO THEM HAS SPRITISTIC VALUES WEREWOLVES AND THE LIVING DEAD ALL TO WITNESSESS AS SATANIC SYMBOLOGY. HE HAS BEEN DISFELLOWSHIPED FOR YEARS IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER IF HE HAS OR HAS NOT CONVERTED TO ISLAM. IN SOME CASES I BELIEVE ISLAM IS BETTER THAN BEING A JEHOVAH’S WITNESS. ISLAM IS A PEACFUL RELIGION IT IS THE TERRORIST WHO DEFILED IT AND TURNED A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT INTO A WORLD MASS TERROR ORGNAZATION.

  15. jbs
    July 6th, 2007 at 11:57 | #15

    to become a muslim is Michael’s greatest mistake because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life not Mohammad.

  16. TOSH
    June 26th, 2007 at 18:28 | #16

    I understand that some people who have been jehovah’s witnesses in the past, and were removed from the congregation now feel ostracised and bitter. But to act like these issues: ostracism, overpowering parents, sexual abuse, are unique to the organization of jehovahs witnesses is ridiculous. There are sick people of all faiths. There are fanatics of all faiths. The catholics who stand outside abortion clinics screaming at patrons. The islamics who commit murder and suicide in the name of their god, and so on. The fact that certain people have a personality type that causes them to take their beliefs to the extreme is an indvidual issue. not a religious issue. I was raised a jehovahs witness. I currently dont attend because i know i cant live up to bible standards the way i should. The same reason so many catholics only attend church on easter. Because they know that even a church that harbors child molesters would not approve of their overdrinking, fornicating, adulterous ways. So why go and pretend to be holier than thou knowing you’re not? There are many JW’s who lead double lives because they don’t want to be judged. BUt thats true of anyone who comes from a devout christian family. How many spanish and italian catholic women have parents who are still under the impression that they are virgins, because their daughters have never had the nerve to admit to them that they’ve fornicated? I know i can’t fool god. so i dont bother attending at this time. Tho i still know right and wrong. And not based on what a watchtower told me, but based on what i read in the bible itself. whether it be king james version, new world translation or other. The same principles apply in all. You’re either living by it or you’re not. Just because you can’t doesnt mean you should judge people who still try.

  17. paul
    June 25th, 2007 at 21:42 | #17

    HOW CREEPY ALL THIS MUSLIM STUFFY!
    IT’S WHEN I SEE THESE THINGS I TURN ATHEIST……..

  18. Honey L. Manalo
    June 3rd, 2007 at 14:55 | #18

    How sure are you that they are buying the people just to convert???? if you are thingking of the financial side Mind you brother that all of our tracks and publications are for FREE…. we do follow Christ example. and he also said that ” SEEK FIRST AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AND HIS RIGHTOEUSNESS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU….” and as Christian Witnesses of Jehovah We also follow and imitate His Loving Kindness and Slow In anger… For us here in the Philippines we Do preaching for free and we are not Collecting money from the people as you have said Earlier….. we Are Giving information from the Bible and keeping it by heart and applying it on our daily lives… For we Do Service First Thing to JeHoVaH and pleasing Him with our Good Heart INtentions….

  19. Anonymous
    June 3rd, 2007 at 14:36 | #19

    keep taking the tablets….

  20. al auf
    June 3rd, 2007 at 09:33 | #20

    i worship allah, allah is great!
    but i don’t know why i worship allah!!!

  21. Brooklyn Heights
    June 3rd, 2007 at 09:30 | #21

    to acrobat,

    could you please tell me again which was my self-admitted manipulative question?

    bye

  22. Anonymous
    June 2nd, 2007 at 08:21 | #22

    all this talk about allah, islam, etc. gives me the creeps.
    America, if you don’t wake up the future of our children will be really, really sad.

  23. Abu Sumayya
    May 31st, 2007 at 06:51 | #23

    ALLAH Says in The Quran:
    “Say he is Allah (the) one.
    Allah- the self-sufficient master’ whom all creatures need, (He neither eat nor drink).
    He begets not nor was he begotten
    And there is none co-equal or comparable unto him” (Trans: Dr Khan 819 820).

    Ibn Abbas one of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah of Arabia (570AD) prayers and blessing upon him, who received the revelation of The Noble Quran, gave an explanation of the second verse “He is Self- Sufficient, He stands in need to none, while everyone needs him. No one equals him in greatness, kindness, knowledge and wisdom. These attributes are found only in ALLAH and no one else. Self Sufficient has been explained as one who does not eat nor does he beget, nor is he begotten” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir 158-159).

    “Thereof (the earth) we created you, and into it we shall return you and from it we shall bring you out once again” (Trans: Khan 22:5).These

    There are also descriptions of Paradise in The Noble Quran, in which Allah describes as such: “They will never taste death therein except the first death (of this life), and He (ALLAH) will save them from the fire” (Trans: Khan 44:56). The Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (prayers and peace be onto him) Said: “Sleep is the brother of Death and the people of Paradise (Heaven) do not sleep” (Ibn Kathir 693).Abdullah Ibn Abee Aufaa (a companion of the prophet Muhammad said) Narrated: “A man asked the Prophet Muhammad, ‘Through sleep ALLAH gives us delight and comfort in the world, so will the people of Paradise sleep’? ‘The Prophet Muhammad (prayers and peace be upon him) said, ‘verily, death is the partner of sleep, and there is no death in Paradise (Heaven)’. They said, ‘O messenger of ALLAH, then what is rest’? ‘He said verily, there is no fatigue or exhaustion there in’. Their affair in it is eternity is rest” (Ibn Kathir 694)

    “Thereof (the earth) we created you, and into it we shall return you and from it we shall bring you out once again” (Trans: Khan 22:5)

  24. acrobat
    May 29th, 2007 at 15:44 | #24

    sorry i mean james dont waste ur time

  25. acrobat
    May 29th, 2007 at 15:44 | #25

    sorry i mean james

  26. acrobat
    May 29th, 2007 at 15:44 | #26

    sorry i mean james

  27. May 16th, 2007 at 20:57 | #27

    It said in the Qua’ran that God created Adam and taught him the nature of all things set him in front of the Angels and told them to bow or warship Adam, he said. So my question is did Micheal or (Jesus Christ) Bowed too and warship Adam…..?

  28. rodham
    May 11th, 2007 at 06:28 | #28

    to hi:
    it may sound trite, but ya need to get laid so bad pal…

  29. rodham
    May 10th, 2007 at 09:41 | #29

    Ladies&Gentlemen,

    the comment by ‘hi’ above is a classic example of the brainwashing powers of the Watchtower Society. Though out of the filthy clutches of the most infamous organization ever to crawl on this poor planet this guy is still haunted by the fright-inducing deliriums by WTBTS as pushed in their litera-trash by the riffraff making up the rabblish drove of rank-and-file jehovah’s witlesses.

    The Governing Body of the Watch Tower Bible and Tracts Society is the ultimate cradle of filth.

  30. Brooklyn Heights
    May 9th, 2007 at 08:12 | #30

    me again,

    I would agree with Oscar Wilde who said:

    “A theologian is like a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn’t there – and finding it!”

    and:
    “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use”.
    -Galileo Galilei-

    and:
    “If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit
    in my name in a Swiss bank”.
    -Woody Allen-

  31. Brooklyn Heights
    May 9th, 2007 at 06:28 | #31

    well Mark,
    you reflect a lot but you still think too much on socially constructed terms, long since musty and rotten (please don’t think I wish to slam you) though fewer and fewer people realize this. And the operation on our soul and mind can also result in as much decay.

    Why should we ’strive’ to get closer to God or to an ideal program/religion?
    Why should we say that God’s an asshole since He/she/it makes the path full of obstacles? Is that what you’d do with your children? So was it another God that inoculated into us different natural approaches towards our offspring?

    Says who we are finite and God’s infinite whilst some humans have proclaimed to be Gods to the point of becoming the most dsuccessful business in human history?

    Also your respect of JWs is superfluous. So you like these people cos of their time and dedication? Well, it’s only a front to look white on the outside whereas…
    Also, well-meaning but non-thinking people shouldn’t be respected because it’s because of people like these that in some cases horrors have been carried out exploiting “meekness” and the pseudo-value of “obedience”. But this stratum of population is crucial to the ends of the Society (WTBTS).

    Gotta go now. Good day.
    Ex recordatione Iuliani Apostatae imperatoris († 363) iterum erui potest quam essentialis fuerit apud primorum saeculorum Ecclesiam caritas ordinate exercita.

  32. Anonymous
    May 8th, 2007 at 23:39 | #32

    Is this “true religion” you speak of your own one, or,perhaps this is what JW believe?

    To me, “truth” in matters religious is a ideal we may strive for but never quite achieve…however hard we try, our knowledge of God remains always incomplete, as a finite mind cannot grasp an infinite God.
    However, just like, in maths, an asymtotic graph gets forever closer to a certain value without ever reaching it, a quest for God is condemned to be forever a journey without ever reaching its destination, at least not in our life-time. We may, all being well, get closer, but how can we ever reach infinity?

    A religion, any religion, can sometimes be helpful in such a journey, sometimes be more of an obstacle.

    Like a walking stick, some find them useful, some not. This is why I find bickering between denominations and religions distasteful. The most I would ever say about any particular religion is that it does not convince me,personally, and that I would not find it helpful in my life. Other must make up their own minds, and their choice is as valid as mine. In the end, belonging to a particular religion cannot, for a number of reasons, cannot be a life or death matter, just like I can walk perfectly well both with a walking stick made from cane and from pine, or without one, altogether.

    JW, while I respect some aspects of their lives profoundly, like the sheer dedication and time investment, do not convince me because the message they proclaim is clearly at odds with older, more reliable versions. But then again, I must make my judgements, and you must make yours.

    Therefore, applying “survival of the fittest” notions like in your scenario, rather make a nonsense of religions; they portrait a caricature of what any real religious effort is about. As an analogy, what would you think of a law that states everybody has to wear white shoes and a bow tie, by pain of death?

    Variety in religions is a good thing. It challenges or own pre-fixed views, if we allow it, and we can only grow stronger as a result.

  33. Brooklyn Heights
    May 8th, 2007 at 06:41 | #33

    Hi Mark,
    It’s weekday so I ain’t got much time. Just a few things.
    “True religion”? Why there should be a “true religion”, to make some feel better/superior than the rest of humankind? Yes.
    To drive the inconsistent grey matter of many towards behaviors that serve the ends of an “elite”? Yes.
    All religions are true as long as you believe in them. More importantly the “true religion” concept does not necessarily imply ‘better’ or ‘good’.

    However cynical this may sound, I believe that the “true religion” should be the one that advocates the annihilation (physical elimination) of all other religions and their billions of followers, be they men, women, babies and disabled ones.
    It does not matter if this annihilation is taught as being carried out by God.

    Why? Because should any such religion become the overwhelming majority some time in the future, rest assured they will receive another God-given enlightment telling them that their rank-and-file have to carry out that physical elimination (kinda ethnic cleansing) by themselves.
    Does this mean that such a religion is bad? Not necessarily. Why?
    Try to answer…

  34. Mark
    May 7th, 2007 at 22:31 | #34

    Brookly Heights,
    You seem to have misread my question, my fault, I should have been clearer.

    I was trying ask this:

    IS there any relationship between faith and reason? (Not just science…)

    In other words, can we believe something that our rational faculties tell us to be untrue?

    Are our minds and logical capabilities helpful in finding the true religion, if there is only one?

    Or would you say, that beliefs and rational thought, like for example, philosophy, have nothing to do with each other?

    If this is you view, then how can we make judgements about religions, decide whether they are true or false?

    Or is one religion as good (or bad) as any other?

  35. Mark
    May 7th, 2007 at 22:21 | #35

    I agree, this is unimportant piece of news. The connection is that Michael Jackson appears to have been a JW at some point in his lofe.

  36. Brooklyn Heights
    May 7th, 2007 at 06:35 | #36

    to Mark,
    relationship between faith and science?
    Are you serious?
    If at the Governing Body they thought in such terms, you think they’d survive?
    ‘Faith’? Do you really think that we were made with the need to worhip some higher being?
    You should then give a serious look at ‘The Gospel according to science’ by mathemetician and logician Piergiorgio Odifreddi as well as some of his other writings.
    You see Mark, the words you use are usually used to direct your speech/argument in some direction, thus containing a more or less strong element of manipulation. The words we ourselves use influence us too.
    Well, the real miracle of all religions and the Watchtower in particular is that of using words to manipulate others but not them, in a classic non-transactional fashion.
    That’s why, for instance, I asked you the question about ‘faith’ above.
    Gotta leave now. “See ya” later…

  37. Fred Hall
    May 7th, 2007 at 00:14 | #37

    Not sure what this has to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  38. Mark
    May 6th, 2007 at 11:06 | #38

    Ok,

    before we start, I am not a JW and never was one.

    You say whatever are articles are posted here don’t matter. fine. I do also understand, I think, your point about such articles that they can confirm further the convictions and views of active JW. Whatever the OUTCOME, I do believe a JW should know such things and weigh them up, and s/he would do that with independence and freedom of mind, and not just accept one line of thought. A person’s faith can only get stronger that way, and it does not matter were it leads him or her.

    Perhaps we can look at this quite dispassionately. (so let’s leave the love between men and women out of it, even they do not enter marriage blindly, but usually at least try to ensure compatibility first [for the benefit of other readers, I referred to the latin bit])

    Would you say there is no relationship between faith and reason? Or is reason a gift from God given to us for the purpose to distinguish between truth and falsehood?

    How else, but with whatever reasoning skills we have, can we honestly reach a decision about religions?

    Or, do you think all that is said here about JW is in fact false? I would have difficulties with that, as much of the evidence is very convincing. Maybe not every detail is right, maybe some is exaggerated, but it would be difficult to dismiss all.

    Suppose you got talking to the Mormons. How would you reach a conclusion about what they say? Would you not look at what they teach? Perhaps you would think it is also a good idea to look at what former members have said?

    Or would you say you simply look what the Watchtower says about them, and that is it? If that is your appoach, why be so afraid? You trust your own judgement in many other things, and who knows, you may reach the same conclusion anyway.

  39. Brooklyn Heights
    May 6th, 2007 at 08:57 | #39

    to Mark,
    as I’ve already said, it doesn’t really matter what the articles and the actual Watchtower quotes published here show. I know, it’s hard to swallow for some, but exposing the Society and the Faithful and Discreete Slave serves only the ends of the Society. Much to the opposers/apostates chagrin.

    Amori inter virum ac mulierem, qui non ex cogitatione nascitur neque ex sola voluntate verum certo quodam modo homini imponitur, Graecia antiqua nomen tribuit eros.

  40. Brooklyn Heights
    May 6th, 2007 at 00:46 | #40

    to Mark,

    Hi Mark, so you’re the guy that first translated my latin reflections above, right? I’d like to share some views about God and the Watchtower Society. Right now I’m back from a get-together and am very tired.

    to James NON-JW,
    Well, I know what you meant, but first of all your sentence, besides being a generalization is, to say the least ambiguous. Moreover the word ‘however’ is a discourse marker used to emphasize that the second point contrasts with the first. In other words either you made a grammar mistake, or expressed a flawed judgement or you don’t know what you’re talking about…I mean you’re rather confused.
    I believe that the origin of such a mistake of yours is due to an unconscious urge to put ALL JWs down. But I do not want to sound dogmatic so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    enjoy

  41. James NON-JW
    May 5th, 2007 at 23:20 | #41

    Let’s try this one last time:
    My quote, “I used to be a JW and know of MANY who have the same demeanor as you; however they are all uneducated to the point that they merely parrot Watchtower propaganda..”
    Now, as you can see the inference was for those “many” I knew. Are you over that silly little point now? Sorry forgot, your clan is always caught up in the simplistic aspects of any conversation, hence the lack of answers for any questions outside the realm of what you are indoctrinated to uphold as gospel.
    Besides, now that you repeatedly mention it, I don’t know many in your religion who are smart enough to rationalize on topics on their faith and anything else for that matter, exhibited by your comments on this page. This is easily proven for two simple reasons, you’re in a cult and secondly you don’t know anything else.
    Perhaps you could supply everyone here with examples of spiritual acumen and thought provoking proclamations from those in your faith?

    So, one last question, even though you haven’t answered any other of my & other’s questions here, are you tracking your time spent typing inane comments on your field service report?

  42. Anonymous
    May 5th, 2007 at 21:10 | #42

    Brooklyn Heights,

    ok, now that the silly Latin game is out of the way, perhaps there is something more useful to talk about?

    I take it you are a JW?

    What made you come here? Just a chat? To see if you can find any converts? To check out why at least some people don’t like JW?

    I wonder, did you have a look around the articles? Did any interest you?

    I would be nice to have a civilised conversation. The anonymity means you can walk away anytime you want to, without anyone apart from yourself knowing that it was you who said that. We don’t need to try to impress each other or play pretend games here. I don’t really care how much Latin you know, I would be much more interested in chatting about any of the things I mentioned above.

    This place would be a good one to share with others what you really think. Anything goes; with me the only contraint is personal abuse. So, even if we disagree, let’s keep it civil.

    By the way, my name is Mark.

  43. Jones
    May 5th, 2007 at 20:09 | #43

    Brooklyn Heights,

    I had to go to the dictionary to find out what the word “synapses” was. The junction across which a nerve impulse passes from an axon terminal to a neuron, muscle cell or gland cell was the definition.

    I don’t get it.

  44. Brooklyn Heights
    May 5th, 2007 at 19:54 | #44

    to anonymous:

    well, whatever man…and you’ll have something more to tell your grandchildren at that. Happy now?

  45. Anonymous
    May 5th, 2007 at 18:36 | #45

    point proven… you can’t.

  46. Brooklyn Heights
    May 5th, 2007 at 18:23 | #46

    to James NON-JW

    James if YOU re-read your quote nested below this you can see that you did state that ALL JWs are uneducated. In fact you wrote, I quote:

    “however they are all uneducated to the point that they merely parrot Watchtower propaganda”
    by James NON-JW.

    Too late for taking it back.

    Also you say I do not answer your questions, maybe.
    But neither do you. I wanted to know if, given such massive ignorance among JWs, you were the only enlightened one to be blessed with ‘non-ignorance’.

    To the anonymous “Professor” above:
    save your time and synapses, I won’t even look at your provocation. Why on earth should I translate anything for you babe?

  47. James NON-JW
    May 5th, 2007 at 16:15 | #47

    It would appear that I cannot reply in the section I wanted too, however will still address your “lack of answers” in the comment posted further down the page.
    If you re-read my comments/questions, it is easy to see I stated that “many” of the JW’s I knew were uneducated…so trying looking at it again.

    Yes, many people in your faith are ignorant, uneducated and naive; you certainly would seem to fit the bill since you won’t actually answer any of my questions.
    It’s a shame to be so ignorant of things like FACTS. God forbid a JW took any interest in learning something other than the grade 4 propaganda from the WTS; no rationalizing is just not on the agenda is it?
    As well I was once like you avoiding real conversations & arguments. I only robotically parroted the crap from Brooklyn. However, I spent 2 years in deep study of this faith and many others to determine its authenticity, only to be saddened by the facts, that’s right I based my objectivity on facts, not conjecture & ill-conceived prophecies.

    Do you speak for all of your fellow brothers & sisters when you state that they aren’t concerned with the questions aforementioned?
    For you to state that so nonchalantly is almost laughable if it weren’t such a shame. Don’t bother answering as you seem to have nothing of any value to say. After all, what good does it do to try and talk about your faith or any related ideology since the whole structure is built on falsehoods, which apparently isn’t important to you at all.
    No, stick to finding the weak & ignorant, inept or kept too busy to read the past writings of your false religion. Just as a suggestion, you might want to find another web site to raise your field service hours, since this site doesn’t offer much in the way of prey for your kind. Most people posting here were or are still involved with this faith; they are more than cognizant of the deceptive practices used to ensnare them at one time.

    Sorry to bother you with this, you can go back to ignorantly convincing yourself that your religion is the truth, despite facts to the contrary.

    Have a nice weekend.

  48. Anonymous
    May 5th, 2007 at 13:48 | #48

    One more thing:
    Brooklyn Heights: Translate this for me is you can.

    Cum saepe multa, tum memini domi in hemicyclio sedentem, ut solebat, cum et ego essem una et pauci admodum familiares, in eum sermonem illum incidere qui tum forte multis erat in ore. Meministi enim profecto, Attice, et eo magis, quod P. Sulpicio utebare multum, cum is tribunus plebis capitali odio a Q. Pompeio, qui tum erat consul, dissideret, quocum coniunctissime et amantissime vixerat, quanta esset hominum vel admiratio vel querella.

    Itaque tum Scaevola cum in eam ipsam mentionem incidisset, exposuit nobis sermonem Laeli de amicitia habitum ab illo secum et cum altero genero, C. Fannio Marci filio, paucis diebus post mortem Africani. Eius disputationis sententias memoriae mandavi, quas hoc libro exposui arbitratu meo; quasi enim ipsos induxi loquentes, ne ‘inquam’ et ‘inquit’ saepius interponeretur, atque ut tamquam a praesentibus coram haberi sermo videretur.

    Cum enim saepe mecum ageres ut de amicitia scriberem aliquid, digna mihi res cum omnium cognitione tum nostra familiaritate visa est. Itaque feci non invitus ut prodessem multis rogatu tuo. Sed ut in Catone Maiore, qui est scriptus ad te de senectute, Catonem induxi senem disputantem, quia nulla videbatur aptior persona quae de illa aetate loqueretur quam eius qui et diutissime senex fuisset et in ipsa senectute praeter ceteros floruisset, sic cum accepissemus a patribus maxime memorabilem C. Laeli et P. Scipionis familiaritatem fuisse, idonea mihi Laeli persona visa est quae de amicitia ea ipsa dissereret quae disputata ab eo meminisset Scaevola. Genus autem hoc sermonum positum in hominum veterum auctoritate, et eorum inlustrium, plus nescio quo pacto videtur habere gravitatis; itaque ipse mea legens sic afficior interdum ut Catonem, non me loqui existimem.

  49. Anonymous
    May 5th, 2007 at 13:30 | #49

    Ok, this is getting silly.

    There are so many mistakes in your Latin, that it is quite impossible to be sure what you are getting at. Some words are not even Latin words as such, and amor and amarus are quite different things, to name but one mistake.

    “amarine potest Deus, quamvis is non videatur?” =”Can we love God without seeing him?” You are joking, right?

    “Can we love God without seeing him?”
    should be
    “Deum amare possumus sine videre (or videntes) eum?” or
    “Deum amare possumus absque eum videntes?”

    And that’s just one example of the scale of the muddle.

    However, you last quote is somewhat better, at least it makes sense.

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