Comments on: Watchtower Information Service is renewed! http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:24:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: jh http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-9964 jh Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:56:46 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-9964 I just discovered this site. wanted to add to the debate. Many debate the Trinity. Personally, I do not believe in the idea that the FSH are the same and equal, however, I disagree with JW's in where they place the son's role today. Jesus said while ascending to heaven " that all authority was placed on him by the Father", and Paul said in Phil 2 taht every family owed it's name to the son and every knee should bow. The Father is greater, however, the Father has given the Son the right to be worshipped and praised. Once the Son hands the kingdom back over the the Father, then the Father will be worshipped. I just discovered this site. wanted to add to the debate. Many debate the Trinity. Personally, I do not believe in the idea that the FSH are the same and equal, however, I disagree with JW’s in where they place the son’s role today. Jesus said while ascending to heaven ” that all authority was placed on him by the Father”, and Paul said in Phil 2 taht every family owed it’s name to the son and every knee should bow. The Father is greater, however, the Father has given the Son the right to be worshipped and praised. Once the Son hands the kingdom back over the the Father, then the Father will be worshipped.

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-8918 Markus Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:19:35 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-8918 >@Shikinah Since God and Jesus are figments of your imagination it is a question of it being one imagery or two, but seeing as it is all in the mind it could be any amount you desire. >@Shikinah
Since God and Jesus are figments of your imagination it is a question of it being one imagery or two, but seeing as it is all in the mind it could be any amount you desire.

]]> By: Shikinah http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-8911 Shikinah Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:37:05 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-8911 <a href="#comment-2702" rel="nofollow">@Lu </a> The reason Jesus can not be Jehovah is because of the following. No matter how we look at John1:1 "was god" or "was a god" It says "in the BEGINNING was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god/was a god". Depending on translation. The clue is the word BEGINNING, God has NO BEGINNING he is ETERNAL he was not created. This scripture has been is applying to Jesus while in heaven he is the first of all creation, the beginning of all things. @Lu
The reason Jesus can not be Jehovah is because of the following. No matter how we look at John1:1 “was god” or “was a god”

It says “in the BEGINNING was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god/was a god”. Depending on translation.
The clue is the word BEGINNING, God has NO BEGINNING he is ETERNAL he was not created. This scripture has been is applying to Jesus while in heaven he is the first of all creation, the beginning of all things.

]]> By: Shikinah http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-8910 Shikinah Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:26:51 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-8910 <a href="#comment-2693" rel="nofollow">@Anonymous </a> They say Jesus Christ is the son of God, and not God himself. @Anonymous

They say Jesus Christ is the son of God, and not God himself.

]]> By: Shikinah http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-8909 Shikinah Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:20:00 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-8909 <a href="#comment-2699" rel="nofollow">@Ronald </a> Jesus is not Yahweh, in hebrew his name is Yeshua, his fathers name is Yahweh. @Ronald
Jesus is not Yahweh, in hebrew his name is Yeshua, his fathers name is Yahweh.

]]> By: Ronald http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-2699 Ronald Wed, 23 May 2007 01:46:57 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-2699 Matthew 2:2 "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship (proskuneo) him." Matthew 2:11 They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Opening their treasures, they offered to him gifts: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. -- World English Bible translation. I am not with the JWs, but these heathen "wise men" (magicians) had no thought that they were bowing down to the Almighty Yahweh. They bowed before Jesus as a king; there is no indication at all in these scriptures that these "wise men" thought they were bowing before the only true God, Yahweh. The idea that Matthew 2:2,11 has anything to offer as proof that Jesus is Yahweh (the only true God who sent Jesus -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; John 17:1,3) has to be added to and read into the scriptures. In fact, these scriptures prove that the word "proskuneo" is not being used in the sense of the exclusive worship that is only due to Yahweh, for it should be evident that these "wise men" had no thought that they were bowing before Yahweh. Ronald http://godandson.reslight.net/worshipjesus.html Matthew 2:2
“Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship (proskuneo) him.”
Matthew 2:11
They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Opening their treasures, they offered to him gifts: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. — World English Bible translation.

I am not with the JWs, but these heathen “wise men” (magicians) had no thought that they were bowing down to the Almighty Yahweh. They bowed before Jesus as a king; there is no indication at all in these scriptures that these “wise men” thought they were bowing before the only true God, Yahweh. The idea that Matthew 2:2,11 has anything to offer as proof that Jesus is Yahweh (the only true God who sent Jesus — Deuteronomy 18:15-19; John 17:1,3) has to be added to and read into the scriptures. In fact, these scriptures prove that the word “proskuneo” is not being used in the sense of the exclusive worship that is only due to Yahweh, for it should be evident that these “wise men” had no thought that they were bowing before Yahweh.

Ronald
http://godandson.reslight.net/worshipjesus.html

]]> By: Lu http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-2703 Lu Fri, 18 May 2007 19:51:20 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-2703 Who God has blinded, Jesus is God's Son no part of the pagan three headed stone god. Jesus holds the keys to hades = the grave, he brings back the dead. God gave his Son the autority, Jesus didn't give it to himself, nor pray to himself, nor worship himself. Who God has blinded, Jesus is God’s Son no part of the pagan three headed stone god. Jesus holds the keys to hades = the grave, he brings back the dead. God gave his Son the autority, Jesus didn’t give it to himself, nor pray to himself, nor worship himself.

]]> By: Lu http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-2702 Lu Fri, 18 May 2007 19:51:15 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-2702 Who God has blinded, Jesus is God's Son no part of the pagan three headed stone god. Jesus holds the keys to hades = the grave, he brings back the dead. God gave his Son the autority, Jesus didn't give it to himself, nor pray to himself, nor worship himself. Who God has blinded, Jesus is God’s Son no part of the pagan three headed stone god. Jesus holds the keys to hades = the grave, he brings back the dead. God gave his Son the autority, Jesus didn’t give it to himself, nor pray to himself, nor worship himself.

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-2701 Markus Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:54:00 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-2701 To anonymous above, Yep you are correct Jesus is God. Due to the fact that there is only one very dodgy account of Jesus ever having existed historically, this account being by Josephus which has since been proven to be forged by later members of the clergy, I can but only agree with you. Jesus=God=No God. Cheers, Markus To anonymous above,

Yep you are correct Jesus is God. Due to the fact that there is only one very dodgy account of Jesus ever having existed historically, this account being by Josephus which has since been proven to be forged by later members of the clergy, I can but only agree with you. Jesus=God=No God.

Cheers,
Markus

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/site-announcements/watchtower-information-service-is-renewed/comment-page-1/#comment-2700 Anonymous Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:42:19 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=171#comment-2700 JW’s believe and teach that Jesus is not God, just look at John 1:1 in their bible, the end of the verse according to them “…the Word was a god” says that the Word (Jesus, (John 1:14), is a god other than the one true God. Think about that for a moment, if that is true then according to JW’s own bible they are breaking the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). But if that is not clear enough, turn to Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Jehovah has said…’I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God’. Now let’s cross-reference that to Revelation 1:17,18 17 And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and Ha’des. Clearly Isaiah was talking about God (YHWH, Jehovah) and Revelation is talking about Jesus, in both examples there can only be and is only one (1) first and last. Jesus is God! JW’s believe and teach that Jesus is not God, just look at John 1:1 in their bible, the end of the verse according to them “…the Word was a god” says that the Word (Jesus, (John 1:14), is a god other than the one true God. Think about that for a moment, if that is true then according to JW’s own bible they are breaking the first commandment (Exodus 20:3).

But if that is not clear enough, turn to Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Jehovah has said…’I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God’. Now let’s cross-reference that to Revelation 1:17,18
17 And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the first and the last,
18 and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and Ha’des.

Clearly Isaiah was talking about God (YHWH, Jehovah) and Revelation is talking about Jesus, in both examples there can only be and is only one (1) first and last.

Jesus is God!

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