i think your hatred is unreasonable. you hate God, Jesus, JW but to Satan…Oh, i think you believe Satanas did not exist. Think again, there is Church of Satan, and you can read the book “Conversation With God” writen by Satanas himself. Your hatred must be directed to Satanas-the grand criminal and the great manipulator of sexual desire, the ultimate hater of God and of Christ and to his follower.

to Markus,

I’d like to elaborate and add some more info/analysis to your comment (which I totally agree with), especially with regard to the lies and perversion we find uncensored in the good ‘holy’ books.
Also, I’d like to discuss -since we are in this section of the site- whether children can be abused not only thru criminal sex but also thru wrong ideologies larded with lies and perversion such as those any average IQ can find at will in almost every page of the bible.
Unfortunatley right now I’m too busy but I’m looking forward to getting back.

To Mark, what did you say your religion is again? Hope you’ll answer my last posting, thanks.

Well folk, that’s it for now…wish ya all a great weekend.

to Mark,
Thank you for your reply.
I really hope I haven’t -as you put it- used

“old fashioned dirty tactics like personal attacks or manipulative language is used, at least as a general rule” that you have “perceived as beneath me” (your quote above).

If yes, could you be so kind as to give me at least a couple of such examples?
A dialog to me in fact, means -among the others- a way to make us better people and deepen understanding among individuals.

In the meantime I’d suggest you reading the ‘Bible Quotes’ section of this site. Try to analyze those verses in terms of their implications with regard to their impact on the balance of power across social classes, within the family structure and among Israel’s neighboring nations. Not to mention the horror derived form such ideologies in every aspect of those people’s life. Last but not least see the impact upon life, life expectancy and health standards stemming from a total silence with regard to education, school, and emphasis on scientific research, soemthing this that a perfect God wouldn’t have failed to notice, right?

Do you know that it is right in the bible the ideology according to which some people and countries do not have the right to exist? Does ethnic cleansing ring a bell?
If you can’t find any such verse (which I doubt cos it’s very easy) I’ll tell you.

Do you know that (how ironic) it’s the old testament the very cradle of anti-semitism? (for this one you’ll have to find the verse by yourself).

Then I might show you a few more examples where such doctrines are reinforced in the new testament and with a vengeance at that. So you might eventually come to reflect on your own words I quote below:

“To me it seems unreasonable to blame the writers of the bible for what later generations made of their thoughts, and how their text were used, but let’s leave the bible out of it for the moment”.

Have a wonderful day.
PS Markus in several sections of this sites has thoroughly and extensively discussed the validity of the bible in historical terms with an eye on the implications deriving from the wilful misrepresentation of God, his assumed values and moral standards.

Hi Otto,

As to those verses, that is really simple: from your paraphrase I simply did not make any link to any scripture, because I did not recognise it. As you posted the verses, I knew what you you referred to.

Now, I am glad you say you see a dialog as exchange of views. What is, the the purpose of any such exchange? To me, it is to understand the other person better, and to perhaps see something I have not seen before, or see something from a different angle. As to when a dialog stops, that also is simple: it stops whenever one or the other chooses to. I usually discontinue a dialog with someone if he tries to preach at me or in some other way presumes that he has the right to direct my thinking. I do not like the approach to a dialog that starts with the assumption that someone has to be convinced absolutely about something or that a dialog is some sort of contest to be won. I certainly draw a discussion to a close when I find that old fashioned dirty tactics like personal attacks or manipulative language is used, at least as a general rule.

Normally I would not have engaged into a dialog with Mr Clark for the reasons outlined, nor with the irrate Otto of the last few posts or so. I do, however, have developed some respect for you because of earlier posts.

No Otto, I was not trying in any way attacking you as a person, but I am concerned as to the changes in style of arguing. When I made those comparisons you took exception to, I did so because you current discussion gives this impression, at least to me, and I know for a fact that you can and have put points across highly effectively without resorting to such tactics. Therefore I perceive them as beneath you.

So far I am quite clear as to what you do NOT agree with and what have serious issues with, but you seem to be fairly quiet about what you DO hold to be true. There are hints here and there, but they are usually drowned out by other things. It is those things that interest me, and perhaps, if you want, we can talk about that? I know you have a deep aversion to organised religion in general, and you see the bible as a means to support such organised religion. To me it seems unreasonable to blame the writers of the bible for what later generations made of their thoughts, and how their text were used, but let’s leave the bible out of it for the moment.

I was surprised to read that you do not describe yourself as an atheist. This area I would very much like to hear more about. If you do not see yourself as an atheist, there really only three other possibilties, either you are a theist or an agnostic, or something in between. Sorry, I don’t want to put you into any particular box, but you intrigue me and I would like to find out more.
Mark

to Mark/anonymous,

Hi Mark, a dialog is when 2 people at least have an exchange of info, ideas, etc. A dialog doesn’t stop being such the moment it takes a turn you don’t like.
I see that though 3 minutes ago you didn’t know the existence of those verses (Matthew and Luke’s) you already got a sure interpretation. Whatever. But no matter you try to rationalize about their meaning the reality remains that according to jesus’ words in Revelation (and scores of other ones by his inspired writers), all those who do not wish jesus to reign over them will have to be thrown in the lake of fire together with Satan and the Beast.
You tell me that my interpretation of Matthew and Luke’s verses is not accurate? You are wrong. Christianity and the bible promise hell and everlasting destruction for ALL those you beg to differ to such insane Al Qaeda-like theocracy. So Matthew and Luke’s that I quoted are to be taken quite literally. Try to read the whole bible not just single chapters. I’m not saying I believe in this, no, it’s all BS in order to control the masses.
And physical elimination of the enemy on ideological grounds is the most infamous and blaspheme of WANTON VIOLENCE. YES, JESUS LIKE HIS FATHER yhwh uses a little love speech to sugar-coat the violent doom of their real or imagined opposers.
Also again it’s not good to forget the evil evil men did like Hitler or Caligula. On the contrary. I’m not a Jew but if I were I wouldn’t have liked you telling me to quickly forget their deeds. We must not forget in order to honor the victims and avoid that history repeats itself.
We must keep talking about the evil evil men did and do be dead or alive.
So please, don’t lecture me about how the Nazi rose to power or got their anti-Jew message across…and by the way you can’t reduce/sum up such an issue in a single statement…
I have clear ideas about all this, yet you accuse me of being dogmatic like the watchtower&the nazi (this to me is the ultimate abuse to my person, especially being likened to the watchtower) that sees everthing in black and white.
Please rest assured that there are many things and important at that, that to me have lots, lots of grey areas (eg the identity of God, meaning of life, etc).
I’m sorry if you interpreted all this as something resembling propaganda.
True, I might be in the ‘no mincing words’ mood, but I’ve never been into catering to people’s tastes. Especially here where you gotta be concise and right to the point.
God bless you.

Sadly so far I found little discussion here. It seems you are just preaching and not engaging in any dialogue at all.

You quoted fragments, one from Matthew and one from Luke. Try and read the whole chapter, then it makes more sense. Or could it be that understanding what is said there is not really the point, but a little fragments come in handy when pushing a rhetoric point?

Matthew 11:12 implied the complete opposite to an endorsement of violence, it says that violence will bear away (=destroy) the kingdom of heaven. And Luke19:27 is part of an allegorical teaching account, and account of a story Jesus is reported to have told.

Still, let’s not get into scripture stuff, as it has no meaning to you. Let’s just say this: the bible probably is one of the most abused and mis-read books in the world, and neither I nor you want to contribute to more of that. I am not in the mood for a game of bible hop-scotch.

You have not even read my little Latin quote right: … nothing, if not good… i.e. remain silent on the bad, that used to be an old, pre-Christian Roman custom. So, an ancient Roman would have dealt with Hitler in the same way they tried unsuccessfully to deal with Caligula: as far as possible remove him from history and ensure he is quickly forgotten. Again, not always the best way to deal with such things, but sometimes it can have its merits…

Dialog starts with exchanging views and facts, not with polemic attacks on the person. What has happened to you? You used to do this so well, right to the point, facts and carefully presented arguements, and now suddenly you resort to tactics worthy of the Watchtower. One way or avoiding any meaningful dialogue is to attack the other person by implying he must be stupid. Another way to avoid presenting a clear argument is to use propagandist language. That’s how the Nazis got their message of Antisemitism across; if they had tried a proper dialog, their views would not have stood up long enough to be knocked down.

I have no problems with you having the views you hold at all, and I assume you have good reasons for holding them. I do, however, have a problem with anyone who has convinced himself that only he himself could possibly be right in all things and thus believes he “has the truth” and therefore has no time or patience for anyone else. Things are never quite so simple, or so black and white. The real truth will alsways have some shades of grey, and some things will always have to be left to each individual to judge on, and there is always more to find out.

So, can we have the measured, controlled and informative Otto back? He made much better reading.

So, does it matter what Mr Clark thinks about you? You know who and what you are much better than he does.

Also, it may surprise you, but I really could not care less who I impress or not or what anyone things of me. I just like to write occasionally in the hope an interesting discussion springs up, well better than the endless “Whooppeee Michael Jackson is a Muslim”, anyway.

to Mark again,
the hackeneyed saying I was referring to is your Latin quotation about the dead…

I find such BS funny. So you Mark when talk about Hitler you talk good, right?
Bravo!

to Mark,
dear Mark please do find my alleged quotes by jesus the christo in Matthew 11:12 and in Luke 19:27 (the juaoehovieah witless fake bible changes something so pick a more serious version ok?)
I’m sorry but I’m taken aback by your gross bible ignorance. Nothing serious but you disqualify yourself in any discussion regarding the issues here.

Secondly you sum up the discussions in this forum about the historicity of jesus according to your own biased interpretation. Of course there were many jesuses but then the pre-catholic fathers of the church inflated one of these tossers to the status of god.
But most of the info and historical records about jesus the christo have, to say the least, been doctored&forged.
Thirdly I’m not an atheist. I simply don’t believe in man-made religious money-making schemes (all religion…sorry if this sounds like another blanket statement)
Fourthly, I insult nobody. The Mr Clark above used jesus’ words to say that people like me that won’t listen&believe are dogs and pigs. And I didn’t say that he and people like him are such animals just in case animals wish not to be associated to people like Mr Clark that turned to me with such gutter language.
And there goes my last point: I did use sarcasm and irony but not emotionality. Try not to inject any foreign (to me) feelings into my words, it does not work with me. It’s an old and cheap trick by most religionist when YOU are short of arguments.
All in all, you too Mark, ain’t but just parroting those stone-age arguments so dear to religionists.
Finally I’m appalled that there are still people who try to defend the work and deed/misdeeds of such scum who peopled the old testament which then -alas- aborted the new testament leading the way for the plunge into the Dark Ages.

I strongly believe that those who identify with the old testament god (jesus’ the christo’s father) and related philosophy/teaching/dogmas/vision of the world etc. haven’t a shred of morality, nor respect for human life, nor ethical values.
Like Mr Clark you to dear Mark have to resort to hackeneyed saying that impress nobody.
People should try to use the rest of the 98% of unused cerebral matter instead of playing the dummy to some unknown ventriloquist.

I have read this exchange with some interest, and perhaps annoyance got the better of Mr Marconi, as much of his closing statements quite uncharacteristically make little sense.

First we have a classic “man of straw” argument: Present a misleading case, then knock it down. The bible has not record at all of Jesus having said anything remotely like your alleged quote, so if he did not appear to have said it, there is little point in arguing against it.

Second, Jesus as a “catholic invention” is not really tenable. As at least the STORY of Jesus was around before the Roman church, calling it a “catholic” invention can only be an anachronism.

As to whether there was a person called Jesus at all, there was quite an extensive, thorough and well balanced discussion with a lot of evidence presented from both Christians and Atheists not too long ago on this very site.

The result was quite clear: There is little doubt that a PERSON called Jesus, a man onto which Christians base their beliefs indeed existed. There are Roman and Jewish sources confirming this much which were hostile to Christianity as a whole, so we have little reason to doubt them.

Whether or not this Jesus really was what Christians claim, well that is quite another story. To some, the answer is clearly a yes, to others, this Jesus was made into something much more by his survivors and followers. That at the end of the day is a matter for personal judgement, and people will always be divided over this. So, clearly, it makes little sense to quote Jesus to a man like you, Mr Marconi, as you see him, like the Romans, as an irrelevance. However, not even the very hostile Romans assumed that this “whole Jesus problem” was a fraudulant invention from the beginning to the end.

For some reason this seems to be a non-negotiable point with some Atheists, even though it makes no difference at all to their case. What is the problem with freely admitting that most likely there was a religious teacher called Jesus or similar in first century Palestine? If really there is no God at all, the man Jesus would be no more than a minor footnote in history. Is he too dangerous even as that, so that it is necessary to deny his very existence even against available sources?

Finally, Mr Marconi, using emotive language and blanket statements is not really helping your case, at this invariably looks as if you have run out of arguments. It is a bit like a father who cannot make his child understand the importance of paying attention in school, and instead of explaining it to the child, beats him.

The bible is a book written by many writers over a period of almost 2000 years. It contains writing in every conceivable genre from poetry to history. The writings are influenced by what the various authors truly believed and what they saw as important to preserve for posterity.

Nobody makes you to agree with them, but please do not insult them. They were honest people and at least they thought they were doing something important. Neither were they any more stupid that us today, they just lived in a different time, a different world. If you think they have nothing worthwhile to say to you today, no problem at all. We all have make up our own minds on that.

If you want people to have respect for your views on religion, then these writers, too, should be allowed to have a voice. You may not like what they say, but then not everybody likes what you say. They are dead, so they cannot shout abuse back at you. You may know the old Roman saying “De mortuis nihil nisi bonum” “[Say] nothing about the dead unless you can say something good.”

to Mr Clark,
and jesus by saying not to throw ‘pearls’ to
to pigs and not to give what is sacred to dogs (both animals considered impure according to the old testament sewage) is insulting humanity and so did you. If I were a pig or a dog (which I consider not impure animals but very good ones) I wouldn’t have mind. But since I’m not, it’s not fair to associate pigs and dogs to me , just in case I’m worse than such very good and useful animals.
I’m not returning the attempted insult to either you or jesus because that wouldn’t be fair either. Pigs and dogs, in fact, might get offended by being associated with such ‘honorable men’.

To Mr Clark,
thank you for patronizing me.
I wish however you spoke with your own words instead of parroting jesus’ trite drivel, actually, ascribed to the phony messiah courtesy of the catholic church invention that has led to an endless and never-ending number of crimes against humanity.
Do you think your words are more powerful and more authoritative if you quote the most debased character ever supposed to have lived on this planet?
This jesus is said to have told (to the throng of losers that followed him instead of going to work) that he came on earth to fulfil the old testament.
And the old testament is the ultimate black well of unthinkable horror, torture, sexual degeneracy, perversion of justice, blasphemy, wanton violence, demonology etc. etc. and what have you.
And in fact jesus said (won’t bother the exact verse, you seem to know the gospel)
that ‘only THE VIOLENT take the kingdom of heaven’ and ‘to slit the throats to all those who wish not that jesus reigns over them’.
Just like the taliban that wish death to all their opposers or ‘apostates’. I say: stuff it. With due respect of course…

dear Richard Schwartz,
the restriction to keep quiet ain’t appalling at all.
It’s the only logical tack that any normal person has to expect by organizations like the Towers of All Terrors ruled by the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger.

for some people it ain’t a joke (what the genious named ‘beachlover’ farted out in his/her comment).
But I agree that beachlover is joking.

On the other hand however I’m really glad that flat EEG morons who utter vocalized intestinal sounds such as the phrase by beachlover are going to get the deal they deserve.
Am I being cynical?

well as i know jehovahs witness is a true religion and i think their every words are right

was actually referring to Hajer above (page 1) but my comment got somehow nested at the bottom…

to Hajer, the muslim girl below:
dear do not get in touch with the JC character below.

He’s not a true JW otherwise he woulnd’t be visiting sites like these which according to the doctrine of the used toilet paper&sanitary towels known as yhwh is the ‘table of demons’.
This means he’s a stalker.

But if you wish to satisfy your curiosity go ahead, life’s yours to destroy it, although I cannot imagine a life more destroyed than the one that is victim of either the taliban religion (aka islam) or their flip side, namely the Towers of All Terrors governed by the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger (aka juoievuauh witlesses)

Enjoy

Hello Hajer, I am a Jehovah’s Witness in the United States. I can help answer any of your questions. Below is my email address. Drop me a line when we get a chance.

jc_kickin_it@hotmail.com

I would suggest not visiting this site, however, as it is full of lies and deceit about the Witnesses. Maybe my seeing you here is a gift from Jehovah, huh?

Regards,

JC

i’m sure that the publications made available by the admin on this site are not the true ones but altered ones and filthy from that.

reply to Mr Marconi below
you’re not alone in such a bizarre situation with your family. I was disfellowshipped for apostasy: I was thru with the watchtower society BS.
I think you wouldn’t be surprised if I told you that my sister-in-law (regular pioneer; my bro’s an elder) polishes my knob no less than twice a week.
I really enjoy listening to her while she relates my bro’s pompous self-righteous pontificating against the predicament in most families today. I laugh whenever I remember the way he used to suggest that in many cases the “innocent” partner has some responsibilities when they are cuckolded. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

you are right pal,
but i can assure you that the the Watch Tower Society literature is much, much filthier and indecent, don’t you agree?
if you do not beleive so just read the published quotations, kindly made available by Administrator.

Rub a dub dub, 3 dicks in a tub, and the horse getting f@cked with a spoon. Stroking themselves, till one gives a yell, and they all lick up the cum too.
The horse ninnies away,
As the 3 stroke him so gay,
And take turns riding his big balloon.
The balloon gives a pop,
With Billy on top,
And the cum just spirts about in the room.

Man, what sort of tool manages this site to allow some perv to post this crap? The admin must be a fool, if you ask me.

Pitiful, just pitiful.

To Honey L. Manalo (below) and to all those who’ve answered him/her:

Honey you’re a fake salami. Go sell your BS in your country.
Should you be real, please get around any muslim country with bibles and watchtower litera-trash, publicly display ‘em so you’ll see how the saving hands of your canned god yhwh will rescue you from the hands of your enemies!

In case your canned heathen god won’t rescue you don’t worry, that’s only because it (yhwh) is testing you in order to refine your green faith.
Actually you might even end up seeing your heart-warming experience smeared on the pages of the watchtower magazine, either now or on a special edition after Armageddon. Enjoy it!

So you ARE in Saudi Arabia, how come you don’t know?

Ok, I spell it out for you. Islam is the official region in Saudi Arabia, and the practice of any other religion in PUBLIC is a criminal offence.

“Public” is not clearly defined, and some courts will see an assembly by a few foreigners in a private house as sufficiently public to pass down a conviction.

I hope you are not planning to go round the streets with the Watchtower magazine; if you are caught you will most definitely go to prison, and if you make any convert, then that person will be sentenced to death! Yes, the death sentence is mandatory for apostacy from Islam in Saudi Arabia. In fact, if you have any magazines with you, burn them NOW!!

Just accepting a magazine at the door by a local person is sufficient grounds for the death sentence.

So if you are a Witness in Saudi Arabia, for God’s sake keep very quite about that, to keep yourself and others around you safe!!!

You can read the bible in your own house, in private, as long nobody else is there, and as long as you don’t talk about what you are doing.

Now, PLEASE take my advice, even if you don’t care about your own safety. Do not put others in danger!

hello!!!!

anyone who can give help… I need any elder who can lead me to attend any Spiritual Gahterings here in Riyadh City proper. I am an Asian who left our country to help my family. I work at Specialized Medical Center here in City proper of Riyadh. I have stopped my study and just newly being called as UnBaptized Publisher. The Congregation that I was connected to is Dela Pena Congregation at Marikina City Philippines…

here is my e-mail address: honey_mcute@yahoo.com

in the following days I will be sending my mobile number here in Saudi Arabia. for them to locate me.

thank you… Jehovah Bless Us!

dear vestal,
thank you for your comment. Your analysis however, is still very, very shallow.
It’s true that the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger does look down upon all religions and the universe in general. They have to do this to project an image of sanctity while working for their abominable ends, no matter the number of families and lives destroyed, no matter how many babies are abused by their utterly depraved elders and rank-and-file. No matter how many people are murdered thru the blood doctrine. No, it’s not “just like christendom” it’s worse. What could you expect, after all, from a scum that fanatically follows some entity (the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger) worse than the worst and most dangerous terrorists?
The Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger would the WHOLE world be butchered and slaughtered! But why? Well, for such scum the worst sin is that of refusing to get enslaved & buggered by the watchtower monster. And I tell you, the way they do not care about the lives and families they destroy and murder, the way they actually cover up all such a mess (I think they laugh their asses off thinking of what a mockery they have made of the US Congress and Supreme Court) shows that if they could they would be blissfully happy to carry out the Armageddon carnage upon the whole Earth and axe and chop billions of human beings (read the book of Revelation)…and they, disgusting sex freaks would then have their definitive orgasm.

Well have you ever gone to a meeting?

Strange, nobody seems interested in this story (Michael Jackson is much more popular for posters on this site). Maybe to much media attention the last few years on JW’s and child-abuse. I still find it abhorring how the WTS handles these cases.

Below a copy of the posting I’ve made in in other parts of the site. It’s very interesting. To the thousands of jehovah’s witlesses that perversely enjoy thie spiritual food offered in this site rather than the litera-trash (or in-between litera-trash reading) dished out of the Towers of All Terrors, well, remember that your cult secretly enforces policies analogous to the sickening one by the Catholic Church.
There it goes right from Wikipedia:

hello everybody
this I got from wikipedia:

Crimen sollicitationis
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Crimen sollicitationis (translated from Latin as The Crime of Solicitation) is a secret document issued by the Holy Office of the Vatican (now named the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in 1962, instructing bishops about how to deal with cases in which priests were accused of abusing the sacrament of penance to sexually proposition penitents, thus its title. The legal procedure is also extended to priests accused of pedophilia and zoophilia, the so-called “worst crime”. The document was drawn up by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and approved by Pope John XXIII. Canon lawyers disagree about the extent to which the document is still in force.

Contents [hide]
1 Scope
2 Disclosure
3 References
4 See also
5 Further reading
6 External links

[edit] Scope
The document governs the canonical trial, a legal procedure aiming at suspending or expelling from clergy any priest, when found guilty. The document calls for such cases to be handled in secret, and extends that secrecy to the document itself. Perhaps as a result, some bishops claim not to have known of its existence. The document imposes secrecy even upon victims of sexual abuse. Extreme penalties for violations of secrecy, including excommunication that can only be dismissed by the Pope himself, are imposed.

[edit] Disclosure
A court in the United States ordered the Vatican to “produce” the document (meaning make it available to the court and the opposing party) as part of a discovery phase of a civil lawsuit against accused priest pedophiles in Texas. The court did not authorize public disclosure; nonetheless, it was leaked to the press, thereby made public.

Crimen sollicitationis first came to light in 2001 because it was referenced to in a letter written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to the Roman Catholic bishops of the world regarding new procedures for handling accusations that priests had sexually abused minors[1]. Lawyers involved in cases against the church have argued that the document is evidence of obstruction of justice.

In response, defenders of church policy have argued that the policy of secrecy extended only to canon law actions up to and including defrocking of a priest, and would not have prevented a bishop from reporting accusations of child molestation to the civil authorities. They also argue that, because the document was a secret, it is unlikely to have influenced the actions of church officials except those who knew about it.

Part of the confusion may arise from the first paragraph of Crimen sollicitationis[2][3], which appears to limit its application to cases of “temptation” of a penitent by a priest:

The crime of solicitation takes place when a priest tempts a penitent… in the act of sacramental confession, whether before or immediately after… toward impure or obscene matters.
However, Article 72 takes this much further by specifying that:

those things that have been stated concerning the crime of solicitation… are also valid, changing only those things necessary to be changed by their own nature, for the worst crime.
The term worst crime (defined in paragraph 71) refers to sexual abuse by a cleric of childs or brute animals. This has led some to conclude that the laws given in the document, including the oath of secrecy, apply to victims of priestly abuse, as well as to the accused and all other clergy adjudicating such situations under canon law.

[edit] References
^ Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (2001). Letter of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Bishop Accountability. Retrieved on 2006-10-02.
^ Full text of the Crimen Sollicitationis in the original Latin, 1.9 MB PDF
^ English translation of the Crimen Sollicitationis, 1.8 MB PDF

Hey, liked it? If you wish to see more by the heirs of the bible writers please enjoy the documentary by BBC that you can find on YOU Tube or Google video, title : SEX CRIMES AND THE VATICAN.

If you throw up is not because of the china but because of the implication for all religions that follow the most putrid used toilet paper ever written by the jewish and the Catholic hierarchy, namely the bible….