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Watchtower Society settles sexual abuse cases to prevent victims from speaking out

Jehovah\'s Witnesses Sexual Abuse Sixteen sexual abuse victims have settled nine lawsuits in which they said they were sexually abused as children by Jehovah’s Witnesses members and leaders.

Settlements were reached in late February and early March, according to court records obtained by Bill Bowen of SilentLambs.org. Now with video of press conference! Fourteen of the cases were filed in California; the others were in Oregon and Texas.
“For once, we have the church stepping up to the plate and having to settle with these victims,” said Bill Bowen, founder of SilentLambs.org. “To me, it’s a vindication for the abuse survivors.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses Silentlambs Press Conference on Channel 4
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Mario Moreno, the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ associate general counsel, confirmed that nine lawsuits involving a total of 16 plaintiffs had been settled. When asked the total amount of the settlements, he said, “I’m not able to comment on any of the specifics,” citing “a confidentiality agreement.”

Bowen called that agreement a “bittersweet” outcome. “Even though they’re vindicated and they’re going to be compensated … they can’t tell anybody about it,” he said. Even so, Bowen considered this a significant legal victory for the plaintiffs. “It’s the largest group of people that they have settled with – as far as child abuse is concerned – at one time,” he said. Moreno would only say that “it certainly is unusual for us to have a number of cases.”

In a brief statement, the religious body said: “We are pleased to see this matter resolved.” The statement “regarding January-February 2007 settlement of child abuse cases” cites the New Testament book of Romans about hating “what is wicked” and says child abuse falls in that category.

“As an organization, we will continually strive to educate families and congregations with sound Scriptural teachings that they can use to protect their children from child molesters,” the statement said. “And we will continue to do our utmost to protect children from this horrible crime and sin.”

SilentLambs.org has criticized the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ policy on abuse. If the accused denies the charge, two credible witnesses are required to establish guilt due to literal application of such Bible verses as Deuteronomy 19:15 (”only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three witnesses, shall a charge be sustained”). If two witnesses are lacking, the accused is deemed innocent, charges remain confidential and parents who warn others are subject to disfellowshipping for slander.

Since establishing SilentLambs.org in 2001, Bowen says about 7,000 people who claim they were abused have contacted his support group.

Sources:

SilentLambs.org
Beliefnet
Associated Press

Categories: (Sexual) Child Abuse
  1. jose
    October 24th, 2013 at 15:53 | #1

    @isabel
    estas equivocada abuso sexsual pasa en los testigos de jehova tambien nunca confies en la gente que dice ser tu hermano,
    mi cunada fue violadaq por uno de ellos y cuando dijimos algo nos sacaron de la intitucion se cuidadosa

  2. Kate
    April 20th, 2011 at 20:17 | #2

    Thank you For that comment. I dated a Man who was a JW. And was severely emotionally, physically and sexually abused as a child. Watching someone try and make sense of all the fear, control, and anguish they endured , now as an adult, was the most difficult thing I have ever done. And it didnt even happened to me. The fear and guilt associated with this organization are beyond reproach.
    Hearing about all the specifics regarding this organizations policies regarding this subject broke my heart. Children are innocent, easily taken advantage of, and deserve protection from this.

    I am just now sorting through how being in a relationship someone who had been through all that has affected my mind and self. It is/was really difficult. There are things I will never internalize, such as how love, family and severe hurt and distrust can feel like the same thing, if the people in your childhood who were supposed to protect you never did.
    I would LOVE to try and give information to people, or help in any way I could to prevent what happened to my ex happening to any one else.

    Thanks for the forum to speak freely

  3. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:40 | #3

    @A true christian
    A TRUE CHRISTIAN WOULD NEVER HAVE MADE THAT COMMENT TO SOME ONE WHO ONLY WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE MOST IMPORTANT BOOK OF ALL TIMES THE BIBLE…

  4. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:37 | #4

    @John A. Clark
    THINK ABOUT IT ..MAN THOUGHT THE EARTH WAS FLAT..THEN THEY HAD A MAN NAMED CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS WHO SAILED THE WORLD AND PROVED IT TO BE WORLD AND NOT FLAT..IF MAN HAD READ THE BIBLE THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT iN THE BOOK OF JOB IT STATED THE EARTH WAS IN THE SHAPE OF A SPHERE-WHICH MEANS ROUND LIKE A BALL AND NOT FLAT..SO YES YOU CAN BELIEVE THE BIBLE OVER HISTORY BOOKS

  5. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:34 | #5

    @dennis thurman
    YOUR RIGHT YOU CANT SERVE TWO MASTERS..IUF YOUR DOING WRONG LIKE BREAKING BIBLE PRINCEPALS OR CEASERS LAW (LIKE:MURDER,RAPE,ABUSE…) THEN YOU CAN BEST BELIEVE JEHOVAH HOLY SPIRIT ISNT WITH YOU UNTIL YOU REPENT AND IF ITS ABUSE OF A CHILD OR MURDER THEN YOU HAVE TO STILL TURN YOURSELF IN TO THE POLICE AFTER TALKING TO THE ELDERS ITS THE ONLY WAY TO GETTHE HOLY SPIRIT BACK

  6. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:28 | #6

    @Hagar
    THE BIBLE DOES WARN OF SHEEPS IN WOVLES CLOTHING JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF MADE THAT STATEMENT IN THE BIBLE…BUT NOW ASK YOURSELF IF YOUR READING YOUR BIBLE AND PRAYING DAILY THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT…AT THE SAME TIME I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WOLVES ARE IN ALL RELIGIONS THAT IS WHY THE APOSTLE PAUL HIMSELF SAID BE CAREFULL OF THOSE WE MINGLE WITH IN THE CONGREGATION..REMEMBER WE MUST NEVER ALLOW SOMEONE OR SATAN TO PULL US AWAY FROM JEHOVAH GOD

  7. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:24 | #7

    @ME
    I AM SORRY FIRST OF ALL FOR WHAT HAPPEN TO THE SISTERS…THE BROTHER WAS PROABLY COUNSEL JUST NOT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL…AS FOR THE OLICE IF YOUR PARENTS DINT NOTIFIED THEM YOU CANT BRING THAT AGAINST THE ELDERS..I AM A PARENT AND IF SOMEONE TOUCH MY DAUGHTER THE WRONG WAY, THEN I CAN PROMISE BEFORE I WOULD TELL THE ELDERS ABPOUT THAT BROTHER THE POLICE WOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE BEEN KNOWN…AS FOR THE PART OF LEAVING THW WORLD OUT OF IT THE BROTHERS CANT PROTECT ANOTHER BROTHER FOR HURTING A MINOR…THE COURTS WOULD PUNISH HIM..AND THE CONGREGATION WOULD BE NOTIFIED THAT THIS BROTHER IS NO LONGER A BROTHER, BUT THEY WOULDNT KNOW FOR WHAT REASON

  8. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:18 | #8

    @DANIEL DABO
    JW’S ALWAYS PRAY FOR EACH OTHER..HOPEFULLY BY NOW YOUR OKAY BUT I WILL CONTINUELY PRAY FOR YOU

  9. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 21:16 | #9

    YOUR WRONG IF A CHILD IS SEXUAL ABUSE THE SOCIETY TELLS THE ELDERS THAT THE POLICE HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY…THERE IS NO COVER UP

    @martin

  10. martin
    August 5th, 2010 at 14:02 | #10

    IF THE ELDERS are WATCHING over Gods FLOCK,why in THE HELL didn’t they protect them by using CAESARS LAW,which God put here for our protection.THEY are just spineless puppets of the watchtower.They arent interested in the truth.Our conscience tells us to protect innocent children/If yoy have a heart leave this corrupt society.Money and control is all it is about. 35 yr ex member. not DF or DA,just found out their past.

  11. DANIEL DABO
    January 21st, 2010 at 09:44 | #11

    Hello brothers and sisters Jehovah wittiness members i am Daniel Dabo from Kakuma refugee camp Nairobi Kenya.
    i am Ethiopia refugee.me every time i like to read the watchtower wen i got every time the Jehovah teachers also i flee real happy and i get rest for few time when i was start study.But now because of my security problem i was hide my self same where please pray for me i am in the series problem.Thank you all my brothers and sisters.by regards Daniel Dabo.MY MOBILE NO- IS-+254-724889168

  12. isabel
    September 17th, 2009 at 08:21 | #12

    Hola, me parece que este mundo cada vez se pone peor encuanto a inmoralidad se refiere.Me alegra saber que en la organizacion de los testigos de Jehova no hacen caso omiso de estos casos y son expulsados de su organizacion, dejando que la justicaia humana haga su trabajo.No es asi con el catolicismo, ya que a sus miembros ya sean cura o u obispos siendo pedofilos los apoyan y los cambian de parroquias tratando de ocultar el hecho , asi continua el abuso en contra de menores.
    Me alegra encontrar una sociedad en la que si se hace justicia, ya que en todas partes hay ovejas disfrazaas de ovejas.

  13. James NON-JW
    February 12th, 2008 at 02:31 | #13

    Thanks Pat, I’m fully aware of their less than stellar acumen, my comment was to have the moron realize (at least we hope) that he is preaching to the wrong crowd.
    It’s not very wise to attempt some intelligent or intellectual dissertation with those that lived in the cult and have been smart enough to get the hell out!
    Anyway I digress, how is life treating you Pat?

  14. Pat
    February 11th, 2008 at 23:54 | #14

    He’s a friggin’ retard James! Sidewalk prophet. Truly an intellectual dipstick.

  15. ME
    December 27th, 2007 at 17:48 | #15

    I grew up in a JW family too. It’s a total crock. My sister and several other young girls in the congregation stated that a member of the Kingdom Hall had tried to touch them inappropriately or put his hand up their dresses. A meeting with the elders was had and since this pervert denied it, they deemed him innocent and that it didn’t happen. All of the girls must have imagined it. He was free to walk away and the police were not called to investigate. The JW’s like to handle matters without worldly intervention. My parents were just as whacko as the rest of the JW’s for not calling the police. JW’s cover up acts of elders that could be cause for “disfellowshipping” and hold themselves in a holier than thou position. The whole religion is a crock and cover up for a bunch of pedophiles.

  16. Hagar
    December 20th, 2007 at 20:17 | #16

    my fave biblical quote is “beware wolves in sheep’s clothing”.

    it’s my fave because it is a wise warning that refers directly to the perverse, exploitative, immoral, abusive people who flock to religion and hide behind a false facade of piety as they commit their sins and crimes against the innocent, vulnerable and naive.

    jehovah’s witnesses are about as immune to being infiltrated by wolves as is any other religion—-wolves are attracted to religious organizations for the very reason that it is so easy to use/twist/distort the word of the bible and to manipulate the lost/seeking.

    i have no doubt that watchtower members that have been caught, are guilty and i have no doubt that there are more guilty within the ranks.

    like the book says: beware wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    it’s one quote from the bible that everyone should pay attention to.

    hagar

  17. dennis thurman
    December 15th, 2007 at 05:24 | #17

    it is time for the church to step up and clean house of these scum and take back the church from these ungodly men.there is no room in the church for any sexual battery or any other sin.sin is sin and wrong.how can you preach the good news and be sinning at the same time?do you believe what the bible says?if you dont then get out of the church.you cant serve 2 masters.

  18. Anonymous
    December 14th, 2007 at 03:54 | #18

    to ann/11/21/07
    you may be a little paranoid

  19. Anonymous
    December 2nd, 2007 at 17:38 | #19

    This is very sad but it just shows how much these people try to control their member’s every move. Free thinking is not allowed. They tell you that Jehovah gives us all free will, and I beleive he does, then when you don’t do what they deem right they turn their back on you. I understand love of God but what about the commandment that says love your neighbor.?

  20. Anonymous
    December 2nd, 2007 at 17:01 | #20

    I think this is a very good comment and very informative. I studied to be a JW for over 18 years and could not totally make a commentment to the group. I guess all the doubts I had about the group was why. For years I rejected other groups and even reading their pamphlets. This kept me inn the dark away from the truth. i agree no one group can claim to be the “one”.

  21. Anonymous
    November 23rd, 2007 at 15:37 | #21

    On 11/21/2007, there was a report on the NBC Evening News about these gag orders. There was reports of elders that knew about the problem and chose to keep silent about it. This is the first I have heard of such on a major mainstream source (I have seen CNN videos, but those have smaller audiences than NBC Evening News).

    I am hoping that this results in far fewer people going into that organization. Anyone that would enter an organization that silences pedophile victims with gag orders is either stupid, wicked, or ignorant. And the NBC report just put a hole in the ignorance excuse. For sure, anyone that would put even another penny in the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund boxes in the Kingdumb Hells after seeing this is blatantly pro-pedophilia. I would be highly embarrassed to be seen out in field service after this, or putting money in those pedophile-defense fund boxes. I don’t think I would even want to be seen near a Kingdumb Hell, especially dressed like a Witless.

    Even possession of old paraphenalia, like those service bags, is embarrassing. Before this, I kept my old service bag just in case it would come in handy to start an at-home business. Its resemblance to a Jehovah’s Witness bag would, however, be bad for any business I would try to start, especially if children and/or parents were major customers. I would not be surprised if, within a couple of months, Jehovah’s Witnesses (especially men) start being ostracized by parents and children because of this incident, and I do not want to be associated with that cult in any way, shape, or form.

    In fact, I have been decorating my place for Christmas even before this. But now I intend to put even more Christmas decorations up where it would be visible to the world. That way, people will see them and be relieved that I am not one of those child-molesting Jehovah’s Witlesses.

  22. Fri
    November 9th, 2007 at 22:44 | #22

    Wow, first you were John, now you are Joe. LOL at least it starts with the same letter, like most jw’s are you suffering from bipolar? One thing we know for sure, you are a JW! And how do we know that? Apparently you can’t spell, and that is how we spot the witnesses.

    So we are not going to solve our problems are we? Who else is going to solve them for us Joe’hover? He has conveniently been asleep at the wheel for the last 4000, so what makes you think he can help now?
    Ah faith = blind-less believe what has never been shown.

    What gives you the indication that Ber needs help?
    Ps. keep up the good work selling the magazines for the WT.

  23. Joe
    November 9th, 2007 at 14:40 | #23

    You all are funny. Everyone of you think that mankind is going solve their problems by complaining. You can only make a small difference and as noble and honorable humans you must do so. Altho all of your oppinions do nothing to help. Your incesent whining does nothing to help. Only your actions can contribute to making the current state of things better. I am not talking about the actions you are all expressing here on a forum. I want to know what you have done to help Ber? I could go on a cursing rant like you did explaining myself in such unneeded detail but there is a thing called self respect that I have. Keep on drinkin that hateraid. The nazi’s did and we see how far that got them.

  24. fri
    November 4th, 2007 at 02:35 | #24

    John, very interesting answer you had to Ber: “The bible or Bible or Hole Bible is a history book” you tried to be a smart ass by putting “Bible” in capital letters, but then you go on to say: “Hole Bible” or hole bible. Have you got any idea what the word “Hole or hole” means? Gap, opening, crack, break, puncture, tear. So exactly what was your point when you wrote: “hole bible” Does the bible have a crack, break, puncture, tear or opening?

    So according to you some stories are about the future, but not all of them. I guess you can interpret which ones since you are able to talk to god and he tells you all this stuff, right?

    Did you ever graduated primary school?

  25. Ber
    November 4th, 2007 at 02:21 | #25

    John, are you a polition? Just answer what is convinient??

  26. November 4th, 2007 at 01:39 | #26

    To Ber; The bible or Bible or Hole Bible is a history book. I do not believe that it was all written before it happen. Some story are about the future, but not all of them. many of these story have come to pass, but some have not. I do not think you are confuse, but I do think you are not willing to talk to God. IF

  27. Ber
    November 3rd, 2007 at 17:10 | #27

    John please answer the following: “Bible is a history book”? Now I am confused again, I thought that history is something written after the fact. You on the other hand you believe that the bible was written before hand to advise us of the things to come do you not??? So which one is which??

    If I still recall, first God created the earth and then on the 3rd day he created the sun, but according to science the Sun was created long before the earth, so again which is which??

    One question for you John, if God created the earth, who created the planets???? In the case you answer that god created everything, where was God and the angels before he created everything??

  28. November 3rd, 2007 at 14:52 | #28

    To Joe (comment ID: 278075); thank-you. John.
    To Markus (comments ID: 277726) and Ber (comment ID: 277754); I like your honesty. I am not going to prove to you that God IS; that is wrong of me to theat you like your hurt does not exist. The bible is a history book: if you accept that, then you may understand what I am saying. All people think that they are right, even me, no-one thing that they are wrong. So; when we write a book about what our fore-fathers did, well they are right; and the reason they are right is because their GOD told them to do so. That is what the writer believes, but that does not make God the one who gave the command. Now; Jesus said things like that to the people of his day; and that was what got him into trouble with his government. Take this or leave this, it is your chose.
    The Message – spoken by God
    In the beginning of this earth, I created it from a dark void. I hovered over the waters of the deep and form this planet. I spoke it into being. In six steps; I made this Earth. And when I was finished; I rested and blessed this rest and called it the Sabbath Day. The seventh day of each week.
    The person, I created on the earth, was created with free will; to obey Me or not; so that I may be loved freely. But as the days became years; the descendants sin against Me. I raised up messangers from among their own kind; to speak of my love for My people. I raised up Moses and gave him My very soul. That what I am is written in stong. That what I gave to Moses is Me. Who ever lives in that Law; live in Me.
    John, you have felt my soul; you tremble in fear because you have failed Me meny times. But My words, I gave you, is a reflection of My love for you and the people of this Earth. Meny others have spoken the truth about Me, but were not liston to by the peoples of Earth. This sadden Me; for, they walk to their own death.
    My message is Love. I am your Creator. No other can take my place. Now if you do not take your place in My love, you stand condemn. All peoples have worked against My Law of Love; all need to return to Me. My love awaits you. My Spirit will guild you. – God.
    Take it or leave it, you are free to choose. If you wish to know more, talk to God. – John A. Clark

  29. Ber
    October 31st, 2007 at 00:41 | #29

    John, now I am confused. Apparently God said: do not murder, so the bible passage I gave you cannot be true, right??? Do I understand from your post the bible is not from God??? That being the case where did you learn about God???

    You keep talking about that quiet place, are you in jail? Is that the quiet place you talk about??

  30. October 31st, 2007 at 00:10 | #30

    To Ber and Markus; Even Hitler, after some people try to kill him, said; Who now can say, “God is not on my side?” Just because he believe that, does not make it true. God said “Do not murder” so how can God say Kill everyone? Just because it is in the Blble does not make it God’s command. In Hosea 6:6 it is written; “For I desire mercy, not sacifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.” If Hosea is right then Abraham is wrong about burnt offerings; for he made burnt offerings to God. If you want to know the truth, talk to God; not me nor anyother person. The quiet place is for you, so that you are not disturb by other things. Stop blaming God for the crimes of man, who thank God for their victory. “And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth’. But I tell you … You have heard that it was said ‘Love your neighbour and hate you enemies’. But I tell you ..” Matthew 6:38 – 48 . Evil is evil, no mather where it come from, so if God commands evil, then God is evil. The chose is yours to make. John A. Clark

  31. Markus
    October 30th, 2007 at 23:22 | #31

    Hi Ber,

    Thanks for quoting my comment. I must iterate that I was quoting Mark Smith’s website: jcnot4me.com. I have not the gift of putting
    across a point or two with the eloquence that Mark Smith does.
    I would like to hear and counter a responce from John A. Clark. More than likely we will never hear from him again. It’s what I call drive by preaching, “Jesus loves or God forgives”, if you don’t listen you die. Based on this ingenuity I rekon we should both be in Church immediately
    if not sooner.

    Cheers,
    Markus

  32. Markus
    October 30th, 2007 at 22:26 | #32

    Hi John a Clark,

    You can find a quiet place in many places, at a picnic spot next to a river or lake, even maybe in your own back yard. The peace and tranquility is by no means coming from Biblegod,
    this is a feeling one has when they are completely relaxed, this goes hand in hand with the untimate religionist’s deduction that God created it all. If you read your Bible like any good Christian should, you should take note that you are by no means allowed to relax. You as a Christian have to spend every available minute you have to spare WORSHIPING, there is no time for relaxing as the end is near, and if you allow anybody to be unspared YOU will be held accountable. Read all about it, it really is marvelous news.
    When I am in a quiet spot and I enjoy mother nature I have asked God why anything so good such as HE could have commanded such things as soldiers thrusting their swords into little babies, to take virgins to have good sex with, and for Christ’s sake even kill the cats and dogs. It’s all there in your good book, try reading it. Ask yourself how come most Christians have never heard about the Just and Good God that us Atheists have known about for a long time?

    This is a God you worship and yet you know nothing about him, it is all there to read in your very own Bible. Are your batteries running out, what is wrong with you?
    I, after all my rantings on this site should have been struck down a long time ago.
    Was it not Elijah, who had the worshippers of Baal burned to a cinder, as they had their own God and refused the God of the Israelites? (So much for freedom of religion).
    How come I am not smited?? After all I have read the scriptures, I know the law, unlike the people of Ahab (which in itself is cause for concern).
    God does not change if you read both John 1:18, and Malachi 3:6.
    How come I am spared? A simple answer, your god is a figment of your imagination sparked off by some rather crude and somewhat imaginative writings by senile old people a long time ago.

    Cheers,
    Markus

  33. October 30th, 2007 at 20:03 | #33

    To Ber, You will do well to read ‘Who are the true Christian’ ; it is full of good information. Also you would do well, if you stop lieing to people. If you do not believe in God, that is your right, but to ask a question so you can make-fun of a person, only goes to show how lost you really are. I told you the truth about talking to God and when you come out of yourself importance and have a talk with God, you will find the truth. John A. Clark

  34. Ber
    October 30th, 2007 at 15:16 | #34

    John please don’t bother with the mambo jumbo (talking to god in a quiet place). If you pray to God and he/she answers your petitions you will say: “God answered me!” If you did not get the answer you were looking for you will say: “God is letting me suffer so I get stronger for the tings to com”.

    Sorry my friend but only people who did not advance 3rd grade believe that as much as santa clause and the tooth fairy.

    Do your self a favor and use your brain a bit more. God did not create nen! Men created god so that men can explain the tings he cannot explain.

    Watch out big foot might get you.

  35. October 30th, 2007 at 13:51 | #35

    Ber my last statement should read # because one day God told me, I wrong him # -John

  36. October 30th, 2007 at 13:46 | #36

    Ber , To talk to God, You just find a quite place to be alone, so nothing will distract you; then you just talk. Tell God the deepest things of your heart and ask for help. Be truthful. In the book of Luke 18:9-14, Jesus tell a story about two men (a Pharise and a tax collector)talking to God. One brag about his life and the other spoke the truth about his life. The one who spoke the truth went home justified before God. You need to want to talk to God the way you need a friend to talk to you; with respect. If you liston, you will here God talk to you. But sometimes you do not get the answers you want. The special number or email address is the truth within your heart. This works; I know, because one day told me that I wrong Him. John A. Clark

  37. Ber
    October 30th, 2007 at 01:31 | #37

    John, how does one talk to God? Is there a speciall number or email address? I have tryed to talk to him a few times and have not gotten an answer.

  38. October 30th, 2007 at 00:58 | #38

    TO All; I am 59 years of age; I became a Christian in 1981 and I have not met a true Christian in my life time. I make mistakes and so do you. If you truely want to meet the Truth; then, talk to God. Jesus said, “Do not condemn.” If you start condemning other, you set your self up as god. So, Please have a talk with God; God will answer you, but it may not be the answer you want. John A. Clark

  39. otto marconi
    October 27th, 2007 at 23:24 | #39

    to A true christian

    thank you for your advice dear follow of the jeeper-creeper scarecrow jesus the worthless christocretin. the schizophrenic son of the ultimate monster, namely, the yhwh thing.
    Oh by the way get info thru the site ‘SET FREE FROM JESUS’.

    Take care

  40. Anonymous
    October 13th, 2007 at 13:46 | #40

    To true christian, please read below to really find out who the true christians are today:

    “WHO ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS?”

    Which of the many thousands of Christian groups is authentically Christian?

    This question is based on the misconception that there must be one group of true Christians separated from all other false groups. Is this what the Bible says?

    The answer is given by Jesus himself in his parable of the wheat and the weeds (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43). As this parable shows, Jesus Christ sowed the “fine seed”–the sons of the kingdom (verse 38). He knew, however, that “the enemy” (the devil) would oversow “weeds”–the sons of the wicked one–in among the “wheat” in the “field”, (= the world, verse 38). But He would not allow his servants to collect the weeds, because “while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest.” (Verses 29, 30)

    So what does this parable tell us about which group is the “one authentically Christian group”? It shows that there would be no such thing as one group of true Christians separated from all other groups of false Christians. There would only be true and false individual Christians. True and false Christians would all exist together in the same world of Christians, mixed like wheat and weeds in the same field.

    Notice that it was at the “harvest” (= at the “conclusion of a system of things”, verse 39) that the angels–not Christ’s servants or followers–would remove the “weeds” from “the kingdom” (= the world of Christians) and gather “the wheat” into Christ’s “storehouse.” (Verses 40-43, 30)

    For over seventy years the Watch Tower Society has taught that since 1919 the Jehovah’s Witnesses, under the supervision of angels, by their witnessing work have been separating the “wheat” from the “weeds”, or the “sheep” from the “goats”, to use the language of another, related parable. (Matt. 25:31-46) But in 1995, in the Watchtower of October 15, 1995, pages 22 and 23, the Society finally admitted that this application was wrong, explaining that the separating of the “sheep” from the “goats” will not take place until the judgement at Christ’s future coming! Actually, this is how most Christians have understood these parables throughout the centuries. (Cf. Jonsson/Herbst, The Sign of the Last Days – When?, Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1987, p. 228, note 35.)

    This doctrinal change is yet another illustration of how transient the so-called “truth” of the Watch Tower Society often is! Few Jehovah’s Witnesses seem to have grasped the far-reaching consequences of this reinterpretation. If Jehovah’s Witnesses have not been “separating the sheep from the goats” during the past seventy years, their witnessing
    activity has not been as crucial for mankind as they have taught to believe. Like other Christian groups, they have been attracting “all kinds” of people to their organization, both righteous and wicked. (Cf. the parable of the dragnet, Matt. 13:47-51.)

    Not only has the Watchtower organization been collecting all kinds of people into its organization, both righteous and wiched. It has also been ousting out all kinds of people, both righteous and wicked, contrary to the warning of the Master in the parable (verse 29). It has done this, not just by disfellowshiping people for reasons that often have been very arbitrary, but also by rejecting all the other Christians outside of their organization and claiming to be the only true Christian group on earth. In this way they have ignored the command of the Master: “Let both grow together until the harvest.” For this reason alone the Watchtower organization cannot claim to be the one true and authentically Christian
    group on earth today. THERE IS NO SUCH GROUP.

    To “prove” that the Watchtower organization is the only true Christian organization on earth today, it claims that, “Of all those who claim to be Christian, only Jehovah’s Witnesses take the preaching of the good news seriously.” (The Watchtower, January 1, 1988, page 20) This statement primarily refers to their door-to-door activity. But does the use of this specific preaching method prove that this is the only true Christian organization, while other groups who use other methods to reach people with their message are not Christians?

    The fact is that quite a number of Christian groups are growing in number, many of them even much faster than Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Watchtower publications have given its readers the impression that other Christian denominations and sects are declining in numbers, that the “waters” of “Babylon the Great” is “drying up.” (Rev. 16:12 and 17:15) But this
    impression is false. Although it is true that the majority of the Christian denominations have been declining in the Western countries (and this also holds true of Jehovah’s Witnesses today in many Western countries), there has been a tremendous increase of Christians in the world as a whole in this century.

    This increase has mainly occured in the third world. As explained by David D. Barrett, editor of the World Christian Encyclopedia (1982), Christianity has become the most extensive and universal religion on earth in this century. About 25,000 Christian missionaries are being sent out to various countries every year. (Only 0.4 percent of these are Jehovah’s Witnesses!) The above-mentioned encyclopedia shows that at the beginning of our century there were only 50,000 Protestants in Latin America. In 1980 there were 20 million, and that number was estimated to grow to 100 million by the year 2000. In Africa there were about 10 million Christians in 1900. In 1980’s the number had increased to over 200 million–40 percent of the population of the continent! There have been similar increases in many parts of Asia. In South Korea, for example, there were hardly any Christians at all hundred years ago. Today about 35 percent of its population are Christians.

    One of the fastest growing Christian groups is the Pentecostal movement (Assemblies of God). In about the same period as the Witnesses have increased from 0 to 5 millions, the Pentecostals have grown from 0 to 420 millions! This increase has occurred in all parts of the world, also in many parts of the Western world. Of the nearly six billion people on earth
    today, about one third are Christians.

    Of course, as is quite obvious to every observer, not all these people can be true Christians. In fulfillment of Jesus’ parable, there is much weeds among the wheat. Jehovah’s Witnesses are no exception to this.

    Practically all this increase has been accomplished, not through the door-to-door method used by Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Mormons, and some other groups, but through other methods. But is it the preaching method that makes a certain group Christian? The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever – Biblical or otherwise–to show that the first Christians were involved in some sort of door-to-door activity. That even the members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are more or less aware of this is demonstrated by Raymond Franz, a former Governing Body member, in his
    well-documented work, In Search of Christian Freedom (Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1991), pages 207-236.

    Another argument used by the Watchtower organization to “prove” that it is the only true Christian organization is that Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse to kill people in war. This is commendable, of course. But their standpoint is in no way unique, and this is particularly true since 1996, when the Watchtower organization decided that alternative service is acceptable.
    (The Watchtower, May 1, 1996.) A number of sects and denominations are opposed to war, for example, the SDA Church, the Mennonites, the Quakers, the Christadelphians, and various Church of God groups. But more importantly, there are millions of INDIVIDUAL Christians around the world who are opposed to war and who would refuse to kill other people in war. They have taken this position, not because they have been told so by a religous authority, but because of their own decision.

    Another feature often pointed to in the Watchtower publications is that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been persecuted and sometimes even been killed in some countries. This is true, of course. Perhaps the most extensive persecution of the Witnesses in the 20th century was that of the Nazi regime in Germany a generation ago, when 2,000 Witnesses were sent to concentration camps, 203 of which were executed and over 600 others died in prison due to diseases, undernourishment, and other causes. (The 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, page 212.)

    But Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only group that has been persecuted in this century. Totalitarian countries have often persecuted various groups of Christians. In the former Sovjet Union most and sometimes all Christian groups were forbidden and persecuted, and periodically thousands of Christians were killed in campaigns aimed at rooting out religion. On January 27, 1996, Vladimir Naumov, chief of the Russian commission for the restoration of victims of political oppression, revealed that half a million priests had been persecuted by the Sovjet State, over 200,000 of which were killed during the Stalin epoch! That is thousand times the number of Witnesses that were executed during the Nazi regim!

    Not only totalitarian Communist countries, but also totalitarian Muslim countries have persecuted Christians and forbidden their activity. Where the activity of the Witnesses is forbidden or restricted by totalitarian governments, the activity of other Christian groups are usually also forbidden or restricted, although we don’t read much about this in the Watchtower publications. In fact, more Christians have died for their faith in the 20th century than in the previous 19 centuries combined! This fact is documented in the book, In the Lion’s Den (Nashville, Tennessee: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1997), written by Nina Shea, director of the Puebla Program division of Freedom House. The persecution of Jehovah’s
    Witnesses in the 20th century, therefore, is far from unique or exceptional. Today, cases of persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses are rare and exceptional, as was actually admitted in The Watchtower of December 1, 1998, page 8.

    So who and where, then, are the true Christians today? Obviously the same as in every century from the time of Christ, namely, people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord, Redeemer, and Teacher, and who may be found in any kind of Christian fellowship that proves to be of help in their endevour to lead a Christian life.

  41. A true christian
    October 13th, 2007 at 04:40 | #41

    You, my dear friend, need psychiatric help

  42. Anonymous
    October 10th, 2007 at 22:57 | #42

    You state that one should not serve men but God, however if you were there for 20 years like myself you served men not god, well in my case you served me as I was an elder.
    My mother in law on one occasion did not agree with us and wrote the society, to her surprise she god a letter back to follow the lead of the elders. So the mambo jumbo you are trying to serve us would do a better purposed if shoved up you ass.
    I agree with you when you say: “People will only do what you LET them do to you.” Unfortunately the ones joining the cult are there to serve and to be led and that is why they are called sheep.

  43. Anonymous
    October 10th, 2007 at 21:32 | #43

    Your family should have raised it to the authorities. NO ONE has the right to tell you can’t go to the police. Seems like some people dont want to think for themselves, and are blaming JW’s. I WAS one for 20 years, have had ALL kinds of experiences, good and bad, but bottom line is, you serve GOD, not man, and you don’t let MAN control your life.People will only do what you LET them do to you. (not the abuse, but allowing them to control your actions). My mother has been a JW for 36 years, and I recall many times her disagreeing with the elders. She has even written to the society on occasion to get clarification if an elder told her something she did not agree with. We are not mindless robots. And the organization doesn’t expect you to be.

  44. James NON-JW
    September 15th, 2007 at 02:21 | #44

    Just who or what are you directing these comments too?

  45. JD Atwell
    September 14th, 2007 at 19:00 | #45

    THIS IS THE WORD FROM YOUR CREATOR!

    To all those who keep telling my people they are guilty! “My people are not guilty… That is until they begin listening to you and begin to eat of THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF A GOOD GOD AND AN EVIL DEVIL!” And further more, “You would not recognize the second coming of my word if it hit you in your face!”

    Stop advising my people to eat of the knowledge of good and evil. “I am one and my people are one.” Hear this people! I don’t know these teachers, but I do know where they are from! They are from the original liar and deceiver of all mankind borne on the earth from Eve in the Garden until now!

    SEE! Is this not the same thing their Father the Serpent told their Mother Eve in order to deceive her into serving him and eating of the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil? These are the two Gods the Serpent and his children have placed between you and me in order too blind you and keep you from seeing me, because you assume ‘in your error by listening to them’ that I am the Good God and the Serpent is the bad Devil!

    The truth is I am not either of these good or bad Gods, and anyone serving them, is not serving me! I am not divided into good and bad! I am one, and anyone serving me is one in union with me! My people’s eyes are pure because they don’t see good and bad or judge anyone! They see only me as their one and only Creator, and because of this, they are allowing me to save them from my word given to Adam in the Garden of Eden!

    Although I am your Creator, I don’t know you! You have not listened to my voice and come to know my ways. You continue serving the lie of the Serpent in that you assume if you learn the knowledge of good and bad you can save yourself! But you are blinded to the fact that my word is against you and must put you to death because I said; “If you eat of the knowledge of good and bad you will die.”

    You are striping the skin (Fleshly Bodies) off of my people with your lies! Deceiving them into eating of the knowledge of a good God and an evil Devil! Keeping them from serving me and understanding my warned given Adam in the Garden of Eden! Your days of deceiving my people with your lies are over! Here I am striking your Sheppard’s of the lie and removing your words from their mouths, and they will no longer speak with your forked tongue of one side good and the other side bad! They will walk the strait and narrow path seeing neither good nor bad any more!

    And as for all the Sheppard’s of my people whom you have taken captive, you are the disgusting thing standing in a holy place spoken of by Daniel the prophet! You will let my people go, because here I am causing all of your houses of worship in every denomination in all the earth to become the dwelling places of all the disgusting things of the earth! YES! No man will go ever go about them anymore!

    All of this because here I am saving my people from your lies, and the works of you hands! And they must return to me and enter into my Kingdom of the Heavens which has come down to earth, and they will dwell in it with peace and happiness even forever!

    My people will no longer listen to any voice but mine and will not eat of THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF a GOOD God AND an EVIL Devil ever again! And people will certainly know if a man is serving me or not!

    You have been warned!
    Get out of her my people!

    The Spirit’s Son

  46. Markus
    September 6th, 2007 at 22:26 | #46

    Hey Jones,

    Nice to hear from you again.
    I have very good friends, both Muslim and Christian, I like them because they are friendly, and are good people. I respect their views and they do mine, I secretly think they are crazy and no doubt they think the same of me. We still get together and have a heck of a good time, I have never laughed so hard as I do with these folk. Our children are the best of friends, when they get together, which is not often, as you know my kids live out of country.
    This is life in my opinion, having good times with good folk, there is nothing better.
    It is the fundamentalist religionists that really get me fed up, for example the fact that my own family is so stuck up the Watchtowers ass they cannot see any light anymore, when I hear of fundy Muslim blowing himself to schreds together with innocent people I cannot help but believe the fundy religionists are a threat to humanity.
    Keep you comments coming, they are always thoughtful
    and opposing views always makes for good reading.

    Cheers,
    Markus

  47. otto marconi
    September 6th, 2007 at 10:24 | #47

    to Shawn,

    well, not even the 10 commandments would be healthy staples of any civilized and humane society.
    the 10 commandments imply an idea of God put forth and imposed by one of the worst and most dangerous blackevil-sorcerers class ever.
    Also for instance, adultery is not a sin. Yet see how many tragedies have taken place just because of the repugnant ideology that sees adultery or fornication for that matter as sins of the gravest nature.
    Thanks to the bible account anti-semitism got developed, cos according to the gospels the Jews committed deicide!
    However if you read the old testament especially the books written by moses you see that the old testament is not only the worldwide official Manifesto of the racist ideology but ironically and very very sadly it’s the Manifesto of anti-semitism itself!!!
    This is because there their yhwh ungod DECLARES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that it (note the pronoun) will use other “HEATHEN” nation to punish and exterminate the Jews anytime these would fall short of accomplishing all the crazy rules of the yhwh ungod and the omnivorous priestly class.
    the list of genocides, carnages, miseries and horrors due to the bible is virtually endless.

  48. Shawn
    September 6th, 2007 at 02:41 | #48

    otto,
    thanks for the reading tips, I have read the majority of those. I was wondering if I gave the impression that I actually thought the Bible was in any way an accurate or reliable source of ANYTHING? I have read and researched it, and debated it with those who do think it is some type of infallible thing, but come on now,…. Where do you think the Witnesses get a lot of their persona from,… “I am right because I say that I’m right” or “I have God’s TRUTH because I’ve been told that I do, by Gods exclusive and chosen group that he gives them somehow, but not actually through inspiration exactly”. “It isn’t for me to question how he does it, but I have no doubts that he does”,….. OK then, and I guess that is simply proof enough for me huh?

    I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who has enough common sense to know that it would be absolutely impossible, whether inspired by God or not, for a book to be written as the Bible was, and gone through all the BS and and copies of copies, of what may have been claimed to have been inspired how many years before it was actually put into human confining words that hardly anybody was able to read anyway, and then try to believe it would any of the same meaning or significance now after all the changes in not only language but also the the different number of words we use and don’t use anymore. If someone from that day were trying to tell us something face to face we would have a very difficult time understanding them with some of the most basic things, even if we understood what the individual words translated to, the way they spoke would be like trying to understand what our kids are saying sometimes, and they are only 1 generation away, and living with us. We all should use a little common sense and a little more objective thinking. I’m not trying to say that I have any more answers than anyone else, but I know when to admit it, and don’t try to cling to something hoping that they are contained inside, just because it says so, and others “believe” it because of that. I couldn’t imagine God expecting or even wanting, for that matter, me to be so blind and gullable to believe something so easily when he gave me the ability to see how senseless that would be. God would want me to question and doubt every last thing until I knew something to be true because I tested every possibility objectively and without any influence as what it is supposed to be. “It is what it is because I scrutinized it, tested it, poked it, prodded it, tried to change it, but after all was over, and all said and done, It was what it was, because everything confirmed it, there was nothing that could have been taken out of context, mistranslated, deceit or lies. The Bible simply cannot and will never be able to pass ANY of those tests no matter how badly someone may want it to. There are some things in it that might be considered of value and worth remembering, I have to say that the ten commandments are something that most people would agree are “staples” of a society, Does anyone agree, or disagree, or maybe I’m just as whacked as the “Flock of Truth”!!!

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