Man, can you believe this ignorance?

i have been desfellowshipped, according to them, but i feel i was misjuded they did’nt even visited with me in a group ,like i have seen them do others. but yet they try to treat me as if i am some kind of murderer or something. where is jehovahs love here?

Liz,

Yep, no doubt about it Jehovah is love:

Classic example: seeing as you are too brainwashed
to tune in again, this is for other readers. I do pray you have the guts to tune in again, all this is in your very own Bible. Hey if don’t believe me pick up your good book and read the goodness, wish I could love HIM like you but somehow I lost the plot, and would rather be eaten alive by sharks than grovel to your God.

Numbers 31: 1/13-18
1 The LORD said to Moses,

Lets Skip a few, no Lizzy, not out of context read and understand:
13 Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went forth to meet them outside the camp.
14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
15 Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live?
16 Behold, these caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Now I’m quite sure the above ladies were then given honourable jobs like doing the washing and cooking.
How could one possibly rape a woman guided by a God, who allows the murdering of little children, and would allow a raping of an young virgin. After all he has his standards, as you will notice by reading on.

Biblegod also gave orders to kill off ALL the little boys. “Onward Christian Soldiers”, get your sword and thrust it thru the little five year old’s belly- yeah, the cute little boy with the angelic smile- that’s the one, right over there, crying over his bloody dying mother YOU just sliced and diced. And slice up his little four year old buddy- cut his arm off, cut his legs off- play with him first and then just let him bleed to death. Keep killing the little boys until your arms are so tired you don’t think you can kill another one.

As you mentioned Jehovah is love for what else could he be. Hell I love him too, for he is God so I should only grovell and pray, perhaps one day I too can be in paradise.

Cheers,
Markus

Liz you scared me so much with your response that my balls are still shaking.

Hum, or are they still shaking because because of the elders wife I just screwd this morning, apparently she complains the husband is to busy with kingdom hall affairs and not time for her. Food for though!

Everone on here is extremely immature, I thought I would be able to listen to some Kingdon melodies, but this is crazy! Well, you all are being watched by Jehovah and only he knows what he has in store for all of you, For all of your cruel Gossip!! Jehovah is LOVE

Retribution time may soon be here!
A day of reckoning may indeed arrive for all of the JW victims.
Read of the settlement in California from the Catholic Church: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289321,00.html

Can you imagine if payouts of this nature were bestowed upon the JW victims? I personally would love to see this happen. First and most importantly, it would give the respect & spotlight to those suffering from this indignity and secondly it will be a huge blow to the arrogance & wealth of the Watchtower Society.

I understand that some people who have been jehovah’s witnesses in the past, and were removed from the congregation now feel ostracised and bitter. But to act like these issues: ostracism, overpowering parents, sexual abuse, are unique to the organization of jehovahs witnesses is ridiculous. There are sick people of all faiths. There are fanatics of all faiths. The catholics who stand outside abortion clinics screaming at patrons. The islamics who commit murder and suicide in the name of their god, and so on. The fact that certain people have a personality type that causes them to take their beliefs to the extreme is an indvidual issue. not a religious issue. I was raised a jehovahs witness. I currently dont attend because i know i cant live up to bible standards the way i should. The same reason so many catholics only attend church on easter. Because they know that even a church that harbors child molesters would not approve of their overdrinking, fornicating, adulterous ways. So why go and pretend to be holier than thou knowing you’re not? There are many JW’s who lead double lives because they don’t want to be judged. BUt thats true of anyone who comes from a devout christian family. How many spanish and italian catholic women have parents who are still under the impression that they are virgins, because their daughters have never had the nerve to admit to them that they’ve fornicated? I know i can’t fool god. so i dont bother attending at this time. Tho i still know right and wrong. And not based on what a watchtower told me, but based on what i read in the bible itself. whether it be king james version, new world translation or other. The same principles apply in all. You’re either living by it or you’re not. Just because you can’t doesnt mean you should judge people who still try.

as a christian currently a member of the elim [penticostal] i cannot get round the jws obcession with blood transfusions as i have worked with quite a few of them in my time they even have cards stating that they must not be given blood in any circamstances but they do not follow the dietry law as stated elsewhere in levicticus as followed by the jewish muslem and 7th day adventist congregations.Also here in the uk all churches have to follow the safe from harm which have to be posted on the noticeboards stating the police have to be informed in such serious matters as this and not an internal matter this applies to all places of worship jim

Picking on JW’s? What a joke! I spent over 20 years living and working with WTS members and remember how often they would rag on the Catholics, taking pleasure in denouncing the Catholic Church’s coverup of molestation by priests. One of the elders in our Kingdom Hall always carried a newspaper clipping in his wallet about a local priest that had been accused of molesting a member of his church. He would pull it out with glee everytime he talked with a Catholic or former Catholic. He would then give his typical “this is why they’re bad and we’re good” speech. Well, what’s good for the goose…
Although I’m not a Catholic, I often found it odd that every single Watchtower that I’ve ever read had some anit-Catholic article or quote in it somewhere. I used to joke that there must be some guy in Brooklyn whose sole job it is to come up with some anti-catholic rhetoric for the Watchtower. Those who live in glass houses…

For those of you who think that bad things never happen in the Kingdom Hall, think again.

I attended Kingdom Hall a long time ago with my Aunt and Cousin, ok while I never did get molested myself and never was aware of whether or not any Molesters were in the congregation that I attended, I do remember a couple of times when my Aunt had grabbed ahold of me during Kingdom Hall when I was trying to retrieve one of my markers (some scratches with the nails occured too).

The same Aunt had slapped me once when babysitting me when I knew what was on my clock and it was not exactly time for bed yet (my Mom and Dad quickly came home after that, my Parents allowed me to stay up a little later that night as they understood that I was too upset then to even fall asleep, my Dad also told me he would give my Aunt a talking to as well).

I also remember when the same Aunt would blast the Radio loudly other times she babysat, practically ignoring me and my Sister (my Sister detailed this fact when a family meeting occured to try resolving our own problems that were going on).

Now ok im not trying to bash my Aunt here, I don’t shun her or anything, and we do occassionally contact through E-mails every now and then (she is living in another State these days), but I bring this point up because if any of you Jehovah’s Witnesses out there are trying to convince us that bad things never happen in the Kingdom Hall, I cannot and will not be fooled about the so-called perfection.

Im sure you are aware of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees that Jesus dealt with, well guess what Witnesses, some of you are acting just like the Pharisees right now, do you want to behave like the Pharisees?

Yes.. it is a hidious crime… I too was sexually molested by an elder who was preying on not just me but others. i have struggled with coming forward… I have yet to at this time….
Lables mean nothing…. Catholic, JW,Luthern,Baptist…. Those are only lables. Jehovah see the heart. If this man is wrong…. Its not your problem… Who are you to judge?… That job is taken by the almighty… you already know that.
There is a sickness out there that preys on people.. it hasnt a conscience… it has a desire…. that outweighs all other reasoning. I still battle with my decision.. Pray that I find peace. Thanks

Its a lie everyone here knows it, you can tell from his body language. Test it yourself, ask someone something you know they will lie about then watch their eyes look away, or they might touch they’re face. Oh and where are the facts, even dateline couldn’t produce facts, just accusations and assumptions. I mean why only witnesses. They’re just easy to pick on, and honestly did they really do you wrong or are you just assuming there’s something wrong with them because some one said something about them. The strange thing is that they’re being accused of child molestation, the most heinous crime anyone can think of. I mean come on thats a little to obvious, try something a little more origional. Everybody’s calling everyone they dont like a Pedofile.

Just when I was developing some respect for Clinton…..
Clinton, if you are truly not a JW, have you read their magazines?

Thanks for your comments and let me point out some errors even though I originally wasn’t interested in doing so, you have created the culture, so let’s go for it.

It would seem you are assuming that either I am the author of this story or that every person posting a comment has been molested?
It’s not highly important to me if you do not take all of my comments seriously, however do you take illiterate, grammatically error laden comments from the JW clan seriously? I think not….
You also demonstrate the inability to ask first before assuming. If you took the time to read older postings of mine, you will easily see that I spent & still continue to spend much time lovingly helping others to see the right light. Along with this, you haven’t actually inquired as to why I and others are frustrated with the comments by JW’s that approach lunacy.

I genuinely appreciate your feedback/comments Clinton and I sincerely do wish you the best.

Thank you.

James …you have made another error in your comment, I am not a jehovahs witness,but your comments lack objectivity…your just out to hit these people…Your comments are entertaining but I fail to take them too seriously. Hell I hate people with bad breath…shall we start a website?

Damn now thats a smart answer, Im not a Jehovahs Witness but considering that this site is dedicated to hitting them into the ground from all sides, I think that I would definately consider asking them to answer a few questions ppersonally next time they knock on my door…I cant believe that they all are what is claimed on this website…the ones that I have met are good guys….I live in South Africa, how do I get these people to visit me? Anyone out there???

Mark;
You can find a lot of the history that Tony has shared with us under this particular article. I hope that he does not mind that I bring this to your attention. His experience is here for all the JW’s to read and learn from. That is why this forum is so important to those willing to expose themselves (no pun intended). Maybe we all can use these to help those we love and many that we come in contact with. Shared pain can be a good thing if something good comes out of it. Tony also has shared other websites that you may visit too. Good reading to you and any others who are interested.

And I too feel sorry for you!
Think about it, without even so much as a thought or objective study, you assume that your religion is all-knowing and the truth, right?
Yeah, good luck with that one.

Please do not get upset with us the messengers. We didn’t create the Watchtower and its wrongfully stated prophecies; we didn’t coerce them into association with the UN or to purchase companies that are involved with weapons manufacture. No, we didn’t consult with them or advise them on how to cover up immoral practices at Bethel or how to protect pedophiles. We didn’t create the culture of hypocrisy & deceit they embolden, yet we are the guilty ones?
No, we woke up. YOU SHOULD TOO.

Once we got off our soap boxes & out of our ivory towers, we realized that we weren’t to judge everyone else’s salvation.

By the way, I was never molested, however if I even contemplated coming back to this false religion, I wouldn’t ask, no I would demand to know how many in that Kingdom Hall & surrounding halls had members guilty of or a suspect of such disgusting activities such as pedophiles. Only a fool would let their children be in the proximity of such garbage, yet many are still in good standing within your little dream world.

Come on think about it, if this was any other operation, wouldn’t you condemn such disgusting practices? With the aforementioned facts, no, not lies or fallacies of the Watchtower & its cronies, how does your faith differ from other false religions?

I would be careful if I was you about how you attack the religion!Your claim about being molested just may be true and that would not be taken lightly in Gods eyes, and those not tending to you will be severely punished as they would be deemed an enemy of the True God. However attacking the religion as a whole , which you are in fact doing, you may just be making yourself elidgible for the same punishment by the same True God.

If what you say is TRUE I think that this person should be brought to task.However only you and Jehovah would know that.That is not for me to Judge.I am not a Jehovahs witness although I was raised as one and the teachings of the Bible do not condone this action at all in fact persons commiting these actions are disfellowshipped from the rest of the congregation and Jehovahs Witnesses would not even talk to such a person. What you say happened is terrible but you cant shoot the whole flock because of one sick sheep.As I see it, if parties have neglected your plight then they will be answerable to the almighty God for that, infact all those neglecting their responsibilities as shepherds will be totally answerable to Him and will be responsible for there actions as sheperds. As JW’s preach of a day of reckoning those doing such deeds and those neglecting the plight of the sheep will be reckoned with severely and those bringing disrepute on his organizations name will be reckoned with. It all lies with the Almighty at the end. May Jehovah judge and meet out the Justice, from my perspective only he will really know the real truth……

I cant stand that relgion and them being christians is a JOKE >:(!!!!

i think that this man/ boy shude of toll the eldres inthe congregetion he was oing to bueause n the bibol it said that will shude respect the govement rules.

i think that this man/ boy shude of toll the eldres inthe congregetion he was oing to bueause n the bibol it said that will shude respect the govement rules.

Excellent comment Matt, most ex-JW’s & even current serving slaves of the Watchtower see the hypocrisy & stupidity however do nothing about it.
Funny how they like to preach that they are the strong ones taking a stand and fighting the ‘temptations’ of the world, when they have lots of dirty laundry in major need of airing.
The whole charade projected by the Watchtower and its legion of fans/cult followers/slaves cannot be destined for too long a longevity anymore, despite how insane the whole faith is. The power of the Internet (websites/blogs/forums/email), blatant hypocrisy & wanton abuse are not the only items that are cutting into their reign of deception; it would also be their ridiculous doctrinal beliefs.
Building a whole religious structure, albeit a massive empire, on world-ending philosophy is counter-productive to their agenda. Using a strong virus as an example such as Ebola to parallel this ideology, this virus attacks a living host unrelentingly for a 1-2 week span. Once it has replicated itself & killed the host, it desperately needs a way out to continue living. The Watchtower Society in like-manner infiltrates wherever it can, however its negligence & short-sighted doctrinal structure creates a veil of deception that only the uneducated and ignorant will fall for. With so much access to information and research in today’s world, why do we continue to see those that fall for this nonsense? Only the ignorant can answer that question.

Well to eveyone I’m certainly glad that some of you were fortunate enough not to have experienced a molestation issue with yourself or others. About 6 years ago one of my good friends, a single mom, had her daughter molested by a member of the congregation. I knew this girl very well as she is the same age as my middle child, i have 3. she was such a happy loving little girl, always giggling, I was the only man that that her mother trusted her to be around because she was also molested as a child(she wasn’t associated with JW’s then) I often watched this girl along with my kids so my wife(a JW) and her could go get a breather, she was like my 4th child. One day she made a horrible comment to her mother about one of the girls in the congregation, something too disgusting to even think about. This girls father was the presiding overseer and her mother was a regular pioneer. My friend did as the JW’s encourage and confronted the parents, they told her she was a liar and if she spoke of this to anyone she could and would be disfellowshiped for slander as they claimed they talked to their daughter and she denied this. She confided in my wife and me and I said go straight to the police, she chose to speak to another elder and the judicial process began. It drug out for weeks all the while her daughter had to see this sick person at the meetings. In the end after repeated questioning the accused buckled and admitted to what she had done. She even admitted to doing these things in the bathroom at the kingdom hall! After this it was finally reported to the police, yet the girl still remained in her parents custody, attending meetings as though nothing had happened. By this time the father and mother of the other girl had told so many people that my friend was trying to destroy their “good” name that she was being shunned by the majority of the congregation. One night my wife was talking with friends after their meeting and turned around to see this sick child holding our baby, as you can guess things got real ugly. On her arrival home I was told the story and immediately call that girls parents. They claimed that they couldn’t keep a leash on their daughter as they had too many responsibilities in the congregation. I let them know full well that even though I wasn’t one of them that I would come to the meetings an keep a leash on her so she wouldn’t do this again. I also insisted that since their family was the guilty ones they should immediately change congregations so that my friends daughter and my children would never have to see this girl again. I was raised a JW and for 30 years saw many horrible things happen in the congregation, which is why i disassociated myself as did my friend years later. I never speak of the JW’s, good or bad, yet I’m called an apostate, I just chose to have nothing to do with any religion because they’re all filled with liars and hypocracy. So yes these things do happen in all religions, it just looks worse when a group claims to be the “chosen ones” and the closest thing to perfection, they’ve painted the bulls eye on themselves.

Well Linda I’m certainly glad that you were fortunate enough not to have experienced a molestation issue with yourself or others. About 6 years ago one of my good friends, a single mom, had her daughter molested by a member of the congregation. I knew this girl very well as she is the same age as my middle child, i have 3. she was such a happy loving little girl, always giggling, I was the only man that that her mother trusted her to be around because she was also molested as a child(she wasn’t associated with JW’s then) I often watched this girl along with my kids so my wife(a JW) and her could go get a breather, she was like my 4th child. One day she made a horrible comment to her mother about one of the girls in the congregation, something too disgusting to even think about. This girls father was the presiding overseer and her mother was a regular pioneer. My friend did as the JW’s encourage and confronted the parents, they told her she was a liar and if she spoke of this to anyone she could and would be disfellowshiped for slander as they claimed they talked to their daughter and she denied this. She confided in my wife and me and I said go straight to the police, she chose to speak to another elder and the judicial process began. It drug out for weeks all the while her daughter had to see this sick person at the meetings. In the end after repeated questioning the accused buckled and admitted to what she had done. She even admitted to doing these things in the bathroom at the kingdom hall! After this it was finally reported to the police, yet the girl still remained in her parents custody, attending meetings as though nothing had happened. By this time the father and mother of the other girl had told so many people that my friend was trying to destroy their “good” name that she was being shunned by the majority of the congregation. One night my wife was talking with friends after their meeting and turned around to see this sick child holding our baby, as you can guess things got real ugly. On her arrival home I was told the story and immediately call that girls parents. They claimed that they couldn’t keep a leash on their daughter as they had too many responsibilities in the congregation. I let them know full well that even though I wasn’t one of them that I would come to the meetings an keep a leash on her so she wouldn’t do this again. I also insisted that since their family was the guilty ones they should immediately change congregations so that my friends daughter would never have to see this girl again. I was raised a JW and for 30 years saw many horrible things happen in the congregation, which is why i disassociated myself as did my friend years later. I never speak of the JW’s, good or bad, yet I’m called an apostate, I just chose to have nothing to do with any religion because they’re all filled with liars an hypocracy. So yes these things do happen in all religions, it just looks worse when a group claims to be the “chosen ones” and the closest thing to perfection, they’ve painted the bulls eye on themselves.

I would like to applaud you for your strength in speaking out on the abuse you suffered as a child that was gone unpunished and left you the victim. I viewed your video and felt your obvious anguish, and send you a warm hug for your strength. I also know from experience that abuse has gone unpunished within the JW organization, and experienced much personal anguish that impacted my life in an immense way. At this point, at the age of 41, I am still affected by the impacts of abuse as a child, especially within a home that claimed to be living god like. The many years of personal growth and learning though has brought me to a place I am okay. I wish this for you as well. I had posted a reply to one of the comments in this link, and will paste it below here as well.. for further information on my experience. I wish you well, and healing from your experiences!

I am sorry to inform you that you are incorrect in your assumptions on how things are handled in the JW organization. I was raised in this religion from age 6 to 16 when I left home and the organization due to extreme mental, physical, and sexual abuse. Up until this time, I was the good girl everyone wanted their children to be like. Was active in the organization, and believed what I was taught. My stepfather was a violent man, whom abused all us children regularly, and also was a sexual abuser. At the age of 16 I did not tell the church what took place, but quietly, in a messed up way left home and church. I was then disassociated for not attending church. At the age of 19, my youngest sister came forward to tell me she had also been sexually abused, and had gone to the elders in her current location and reported it, having nothing done, but a meeting held, and the perpetrator crying, saying he was sorry. Nothing else was done, it was never reported to the police, and because he cried and said he was sorry, he continued to be welcomed in the organization. I at that time was so angry with God, religion and the fact that this man was still a member of the church in good standing. I then went to the elders in the congregation we grew up in, I had just recently at that time started to attend the meetings again, thinking perhaps this was the right choice. Upon speaking to the elders, I was told that it had been handled, and there was nothing else that could or would be done. I then left the church for the final and last time, feeling that I wanted nothing to do with an organization that permitted such attrocities, and protected the abuser, making the victim the wrong doer. It took me until 3 years later after seeing a psychologist to believe that I was not evil and the bad person due to the teachings and actions of this organization. I am a good person, honest, living well, and I believe that any god that allows this type of behavior to be overlooked in a church is not good. Many years of mental anguish and suffering have been placed upon my siblings and myself due to the abuses we experienced. My youngest brother a year and a half ago committed suicide, having never managed to overcome his confusion. I blame the church with their teachings, the overlooking of abuse that was obviously taking place in our home as children, for the decision for him to take his life finally. I only wish that he had come to the place I finally came to as an adult, that I truely was a good person, and although I no longer belonged to this organization, that I was okay. He was not able to get there.. due to the abuse.. he chose alcohol and drugs.. and his life ended much to soon. He is at peace now though I say, no longer tormented with the messages he was taught, and the memories of abuse. I believe a loving god will see this, and will have calmed his turmoiled heart upon death. It is a shame though that it comes to this, the young ones that end up messed up and confused due to the double standards taught, and experienced. I for one, raised a beautiful daughter, and have not raised her with a religion, but only to believe in a higher power, to love life, and the higher power that is somewhere out there. I wish once and for all, that whenever there is any abuse issue in the church that it is validated, so the individual can move on with life and heal. There are many good people within the JW organization, I know this, but the protection of those that abuse, either family or chruch members must stop, and if it is reported and known, they must be punished as the law punishes any abuser. This alone would help to bring peace of mind to the victims of abuse.

I am sorry to inform you that you are incorrect in your assumptions on how things are handled in the JW organization. I was raised in this religion from age 6 to 16 when I left home and the organization due to extreme mental, physical, and sexual abuse. Up until this time, I was the good girl everyone wanted their children to be like. Was active in the organization, and believed what I was taught. My stepfather was a violent man, whom abused all us children regularly, and also was a sexual abuser. At the age of 16 I did not tell the church what took place, but quietly, in a messed up way left home and church. I was then disassociated for not attending church. At the age of 19, my youngest sister came forward to tell me she had also been sexually abused, and had gone to the elders in her current location and reported it, having nothing done, but a meeting held, and the perpetrator crying, saying he was sorry. Nothing else was done, it was never reported to the police, and because he cried and said he was sorry, he continued to be welcomed in the organization. I at that time was so angry with God, religion and the fact that this man was still a member of the church in good standing. I then went to the elders in the congregation we grew up in, I had just recently at that time started to attend the meetings again, thinking perhaps this was the right choice. Upon speaking to the elders, I was told that it had been handled, and there was nothing else that could or would be done. I then left the church for the final and last time, feeling that I wanted nothing to do with an organization that permitted such attrocities, and protected the abuser, making the victim the wrong doer. It took me until 3 years later after seeing a psychologist to believe that I was not evil and the bad person due to the teachings and actions of this organization. I am a good person, honest, living well, and I believe that any god that allows this type of behavior to be overlooked in a church is not good. Many years of mental anguish and suffering have been placed upon my siblings and myself due to the abuses we experienced. My youngest brother a year and a half committed suicide, having never managed to overcome his confusion. I blame the church with their teachings, the overlooking of abuse that was obviously taking place in our home as children, for the decision for him to take his life finally. I only wish that he had come to the place I finally came to as an adult, that I truely was a good person, and although I no longer belonged to this organization, that I was okay. He was not able to get there.. due to the abuse.. he chose alcohol and drugs.. and his life ended much to soon. He is at peace now though I say, no longer tormented with the messages he was taught, and the memories of abuse. I believe a loving god will see this, and will have calmed his turmoiled heart upon death. It is a shame though that it comes to this, the young ones that end up messed up and confused due to the double standards taught, and experienced. I for one, raised a beautiful daughter, and have not raised her with a religion, but only to believe in a higher power, to love life, and the higher power that is somewhere out there. I wish once and for all, that whenever there is any abuse issue in the church that it is validated, so the individual can move on with life and heal. There are many good people within the JW organization, I know this, but the protection of those that abuse, either family or chruch members must stop, and if it is reported and known, they must be punished as the law punishes any abuser. This alone would help to bring peace of mind to the victims of abuse.