Comments on: Jehovah's Witness pedophile walked free from court despite one of his victims was a baby http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:24:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: freeinchrist http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-58970 freeinchrist Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:31:37 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-58970 <a href="#comment-37562" rel="nofollow">@Markus </a> I was unfortunate to have been brought up a JW, suffering sexual abuse at the hands of family, which was hidden and swept under the carpet. You see my abuser was baptised after the fact and had all those sins washed away, lucky for him... I was banned from having non JW friends, beaten regularly and the victim of intense brainwashing and emotional -mental abuse at the hands of my loving parents and 'brothers and sisters'. After finally realizing I needed freedom after the loss of my biological father I was disfellowshiped and banished from everthing and everyone I had ever known, left for dead at the age of 17. My own mother would actually cross the road if she seen me walking down the street. How is any of that christian, by any means or descritption??? The attitudes, values, beliefs and even theology are all wrong. JW are so intensely brainwashed into believing that S*T*N is lurking around every corner they would never question or look into or question anything, how sad, as I have come to realise many truths since leaving. I am now a christian and attend an apostolic church, what a breath of fresh air, the true freedom recieved in Christ is overwhelming and I feel so blessed to have a new faith, one where Im free to learn, question and grow for myself. I have since forged some kind of relationship with my parents, and other siblings who have since left, not without damage of some sort. I forgive them, they truly believe, its intrinsic and like oxygen to them. They have their faith and I now have mine, I know Im a winner, I have a new family in Christ and am finally happy and free. @Markus
I was unfortunate to have been brought up a JW, suffering sexual abuse at the hands of family, which was hidden and swept under the carpet. You see my abuser was baptised after the fact and had all those sins washed away, lucky for him… I was banned from having non JW friends, beaten regularly and the victim of intense brainwashing and emotional -mental abuse at the hands of my loving parents and ‘brothers and sisters’. After finally realizing I needed freedom after the loss of my biological father I was disfellowshiped and banished from everthing and everyone I had ever known, left for dead at the age of 17. My own mother would actually cross the road if she seen me walking down the street. How is any of that christian, by any means or descritption??? The attitudes, values, beliefs and even theology are all wrong. JW are so intensely brainwashed into believing that S*T*N is lurking around every corner they would never question or look into or question anything, how sad, as I have come to realise many truths since leaving. I am now a christian and attend an apostolic church, what a breath of fresh air, the true freedom recieved in Christ is overwhelming and I feel so blessed to have a new faith, one where Im free to learn, question and grow for myself. I have since forged some kind of relationship with my parents, and other siblings who have since left, not without damage of some sort. I forgive them, they truly believe, its intrinsic and like oxygen to them. They have their faith and I now have mine, I know Im a winner, I have a new family in Christ and am finally happy and free.

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-37562 Markus Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:53:18 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-37562 @Jones Ag shame, poor creature cannot take an insult. Stop defending yourself and start defending that bloody stupid and bloodthirsty God you so worship. How many brilliant Greek Mathematicians and philosophers had to die because of Christian dogma. Please tell everyone how the good all knowing all mighty Lord got the geographical fundamentals of the Earth so screwed up so badly. Face it Jones, we were all brought up with this nonesense. You, being brought up in Biblebelt USA haven't got a chance because of the the crap engraved in your head. PS. FYI Stephen Fry is a notable Homosexual (I can see you now holding hands to cheeks). I suppose from your limited and biased viewports you have no choice but to run down this good man, who had guts enough to stand against the Vatigan. He said, as I do not: "I do not direct this statement against anyone of the Catholic Church, but rather to the head of this evil establishment". He holds people like you dear, I just think you are plain dumb. Cheers, Markus @Jones
Ag shame, poor creature cannot take an insult. Stop defending yourself and start defending that bloody stupid and bloodthirsty God you so worship. How many brilliant Greek Mathematicians and philosophers had to die because of Christian dogma. Please tell everyone how the good all knowing all mighty Lord got the geographical fundamentals of the Earth so screwed up so badly.

Face it Jones, we were all brought up with this nonesense. You, being brought up in Biblebelt USA haven’t got a chance because of the the crap engraved in your head.
PS. FYI Stephen Fry is a notable Homosexual (I can see you now holding hands to cheeks). I suppose from your limited and biased viewports you have no choice but to run down this good man, who had guts enough to stand against the Vatigan.
He said, as I do not: “I do not direct this statement against anyone of the Catholic Church, but rather to the head of this evil establishment”.
He holds people like you dear, I just think you are plain dumb.

Cheers,
Markus

]]> By: Jones http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-36930 Jones Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:21:28 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-36930 <a href="#comment-36647" rel="nofollow">@Markus </a> Why you stoop to name calling and becoming personal during this debate shows a juvenile side of you that is so unbecoming. We can debate without such outlandish comments. My Bible God started it all and He made the laws. People who want to live on the edge and skirt rules and regulations are the first who want mercy instead of justice. People in the OT saw what was going on with the Israelites and they were determined to bring them down. Can you call to memory any group who has been targeted and killed any more than the Jews? They are still around and many wonder why. Powers have come to note and disappeared who carried more manpower and real estate than any Jew ever had. They are still around. Do you ever wonder why? Laws of nature should tell all of us something. You build your house in the shadow of a volcano and it blows. You make the decision to live there. Your family and all that you possess are ashes. You build on an earthquake fault line and the same happens. That mountain will hold so much snow and when that avalanche rumbles down that mountain, the kids and the cows are subject to the decision that you made. Is it right? We all suffer the consequences for the actions of others every day that we live. It happens in government, the workplace, and at home under our own roof. We may not like but it is true. I don't know where you get your moral code. I don't know what rules you live by. I don't know if you ever feel any guilt for anything you do that harms another. What is your book of rules? I would like to read it and learn just where your parameters are and when you say to yourself "enough is enough." You compare me to evil who would kill at will. I am glad you are not my judge. @Markus
Why you stoop to name calling and becoming personal during this debate shows a juvenile side of you that is so unbecoming. We can debate without such outlandish comments.

My Bible God started it all and He made the laws. People who want to live on the edge and skirt rules and regulations are the first who want mercy instead of justice. People in the OT saw what was going on with the Israelites and they were determined to bring them down. Can you call to memory any group who has been targeted and killed any more than the Jews? They are still around and many wonder why. Powers have come to note and disappeared who carried more manpower and real estate than any Jew ever had. They are still around. Do you ever wonder why?

Laws of nature should tell all of us something. You build your house in the shadow of a volcano and it blows. You make the decision to live there. Your family and all that you possess are ashes. You build on an earthquake fault line and the same happens. That mountain will hold so much snow and when that avalanche rumbles down that mountain, the kids and the cows are subject to the decision that you made. Is it right? We all suffer the consequences for the actions of others every day that we live. It happens in government, the workplace, and at home under our own roof. We may not like but it is true.

I don’t know where you get your moral code. I don’t know what rules you live by. I don’t know if you ever feel any guilt for anything you do that harms another. What is your book of rules? I would like to read it and learn just where your parameters are and when you say to yourself “enough is enough.”

You compare me to evil who would kill at will. I am glad you are not my judge.

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-36647 Markus Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:51:53 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-36647 @Jones Sheez, even the Japs had a better prisoner of war policy than Biblegod. His POW policy was kill everybody, even the dogs and cats, but keep the virgins as booty. Because you read it in the Bible it must be good, why don't you call yourself Osame bin Jones, because your and his thinking are fundamentally the same. @Jones
Sheez, even the Japs had a better prisoner of war policy than Biblegod. His POW policy was kill everybody, even the dogs and cats, but keep the virgins as booty.
Because you read it in the Bible it must be good, why don’t you call yourself Osame bin Jones, because your and his thinking are fundamentally the same.

]]> By: Jones http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-36192 Jones Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:31:26 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-36192 <a href="#comment-35964" rel="nofollow">@Markus </a> Watched the video and I really don't think that what was being said was an act of bravery. When one reads the life and activities of Jesus and his apostles and compares that to the the life of a pope acting as a vicar of Christ and his "subjects" the comparison should have an impact. Problem is there is no in depth independent study and you see the results. You can fix ignorance if one recognizes the disease. Otherwise one so comfortable with their ignorance will stay ignorant. You are so turned off by the events that you deem barbaric in the OT. What I glenn from all the OT is this: The Israelites were His chosen people. The whole world knew it. Everyone was out to bring them down. They were as persistent as God was. They enslaved, used, tortured and killed. God in His own way retaliated. It was to us ugly and bloody. When His own erred, He did not spare them either. If the Israelites had been left alone none of the war and bloodshed would have happened. When God told Abraham and Sarah they would have a son the took matters into their own hands. We are still living with that sin. When all is said and done, you and I are worlds apart in our beliefs. Your prosperity is a result of your endeavors. What I achieve comes from God and I am blessed to have a pretty sharp mind for someone so old and the opportunity to to achieve goals and create beauty even now. When you die you have nothing. On the other hand, I have a goal for what comes after. Your best day is as close to Heaven you will ever have. My best day on earth is nothing compared to what is to come. Anticipation in itself is sweet because I get to experience joy even in that. See the difference? I get a reward that you will never have no matter how you dice it. You cannot argue with that. @Markus Watched the video and I really don’t think that what was being said was an act of bravery. When one reads the life and activities of Jesus and his apostles and compares that to the the life of a pope acting as a vicar of Christ and his “subjects” the comparison should have an impact. Problem is there is no in depth independent study and you see the results. You can fix ignorance if one recognizes the disease. Otherwise one so comfortable with their ignorance will stay ignorant.

You are so turned off by the events that you deem barbaric in the OT. What I glenn from all the OT is this: The Israelites were His chosen people. The whole world knew it. Everyone was out to bring them down. They were as persistent as God was. They enslaved, used, tortured and killed. God in His own way retaliated. It was to us ugly and bloody. When His own erred, He did not spare them either. If the Israelites had been left alone none of the war and bloodshed would have happened. When God told Abraham and Sarah they would have a son the took matters into their own hands. We are still living with that sin.

When all is said and done, you and I are worlds apart in our beliefs. Your prosperity is a result of your endeavors. What I achieve comes from God and I am blessed to have a pretty sharp mind for someone so old and the opportunity to to achieve goals and create beauty even now. When you die you have nothing. On the other hand, I have a goal for what comes after. Your best day is as close to Heaven you will ever have. My best day on earth is nothing compared to what is to come. Anticipation in itself is sweet because I get to experience joy even in that. See the difference? I get a reward that you will never have no matter how you dice it. You cannot argue with that.

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-35964 Markus Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:49:41 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-35964 >@Jones Hey Jones you are in the Bible belt, and I can understand your nonebelievance (if this is a word) just because tou think so.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB3F6N527U&feature=related this is a person that has more guts than I can describe. Cheers, markus >@Jones
Hey Jones you are in the Bible belt, and I can understand your nonebelievance (if this is a word) just because tou think so.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB3F6N527U&feature=related this is a person that has more guts than I can describe.

Cheers,
markus

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-35897 Markus Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:36:02 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-35897 @Jones Hi again, let me try to explain as best I can. I have come to the conclusion that not only are the JW false but so is the rest of all old book based faith religion. I carry on the way I do, running down religion because I think it a moral thing to do. When I read The OT I am amazed how cruel a so called loving God can be. I think the Christian excuse of 'we are born in sin and have to redeem ourselves before we are born', really sucks, and in my view, is a disgrace of the worst degree. The Christian idea, adopted from the Jews of tithes or 10% of your income, smacks of both greed and cherry picking of quotes in the OT. When the Pope visits Africa in his bulletproof popemobile and does a live performance in front of a largely native but Catholic audience; and tells these already AIDS stricken people that condoms will make this epidemic worse, well Jones you can fill in the gaps as to what I think of this. The OT nowadays tend to get divorced by modern day Christian pastors or the like. This I say, according to the good book is not allowed. Watch another boring video of mine, besides making a point, it will add to the poor no. of hits it receives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptl_A4WZVo I understand your feeling for the need of comfort. God is something we were all brought up with and at a very yound age this is imprinted in our brains, we all at one time prayed to God, and yes even I felt better after doing so, especially when I was in trouble. Do not stop praying if this is your comfort, but please do not sanction a false belief so it can gain financial reward from good, but gullible folk. Cheers, Markus @Jones
Hi again, let me try to explain as best I can. I have come to the conclusion that not only are the JW false but so is the rest of all old book based faith religion.
I carry on the way I do, running down religion because I think it a moral thing to do. When I read The OT I am amazed how cruel a so called loving God can be. I think the Christian excuse of ‘we are born in sin and have to redeem ourselves before we are born’, really sucks, and in my view, is a disgrace of the worst degree.
The Christian idea, adopted from the Jews of tithes or 10% of your income, smacks of both greed and cherry picking of quotes in the OT.

When the Pope visits Africa in his bulletproof popemobile and does a live performance in front of a largely native but Catholic audience; and tells these already AIDS stricken people that condoms will make this epidemic worse, well Jones you can fill in the gaps as to what I think of this.
The OT nowadays tend to get divorced by modern day Christian pastors or the like. This I say, according to the good book is not allowed. Watch another boring video of mine, besides making a point, it will add to the poor no. of hits it receives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptl_A4WZVo
I understand your feeling for the need of comfort. God is something we were all brought up with and at a very yound age this is imprinted in our brains, we all at one time prayed to God, and yes even I felt better after doing so, especially when I was in trouble. Do not stop praying if this is your comfort, but please do not sanction a false belief so it can gain financial reward from good, but gullible folk.
Cheers,
Markus

]]> By: Jones http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-35800 Jones Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:53:31 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-35800 I watched your video but that did not answer my questions as to why you continue to debate about something you say you are over and done with. My excuse for continuing to study and read about this doctrine is because the Kingdom Hall is just around the corner from my house. The door to door canvasing on Saturdays drive me crazy. I have something to counter their haughty know it all attitude. I even offer to study with them not using their usual propaganda but just from the bible. Not one has offered to sit down and study. I just wanted to know what your excuse was. <a href="#comment-35298" rel="nofollow">@Markus </a> I watched your video but that did not answer my questions as to why you continue to debate about something you say you are over and done with. My excuse for continuing to study and read about this doctrine is because the Kingdom Hall is just around the corner from my house. The door to door canvasing on Saturdays drive me crazy. I have something to counter their haughty know it all attitude. I even offer to study with them not using their usual propaganda but just from the bible. Not one has offered to sit down and study. I just wanted to know what your excuse was. @Markus

]]> By: Markus http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-35298 Markus Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:55:26 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-35298 @Jones Hi again, yep the answer to why I detest all religions is as I have said many times before, sorry you missed them. I owe the JW a great deal. When I was obsessed with them I was taught that all other religions were wrong. We had pictures on our Watchtower magazines of priests running panic stricken while buildings around them were crumbling and it would seem it was indeed the end. At the devastating loss of my religion/loss of everlasting life, especially when the end is imminent was quite a blow especially when I believed this to be the utmost truth. I started reading for the first time, and started thinking also for the first time. I realized religion in any form is a lot of toss. The story/myth of Adam and Eve on which Chtistainity and Judiasm is based is a lot of crock. Here is a link to a I made to reply to some preacher on u-tube who said I spoke with marbels in my mouth and I spoke very clearly to avoid any confusion. This may help you understand where I am comming from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hpn6HLIbY Cheers, Markus @Jones
Hi again, yep the answer to why I detest all religions is as I have said many times before, sorry you missed them. I owe the JW a great deal. When I was obsessed with them I was taught that all other religions were wrong. We had pictures on our Watchtower magazines of priests running panic stricken while buildings around them were crumbling and it would seem it was indeed the end.
At the devastating loss of my religion/loss of everlasting life, especially when the end is imminent was quite a blow especially when I believed this to be the utmost truth.
I started reading for the first time, and started thinking also for the first time.
I realized religion in any form is a lot of toss.
The story/myth of Adam and Eve on which Chtistainity and Judiasm is based is a lot of crock. Here is a link to a I made to reply to some preacher on u-tube who said I spoke with marbels in my mouth and I spoke very clearly to avoid any confusion.
This may help you understand where I am comming from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hpn6HLIbY
Cheers,
Markus

]]> By: Jones http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah-s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-one-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/comment-page-6/#comment-34103 Jones Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:43:44 +0000 http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovah%e2%80%99s-witness-pedophile-walked-free-from-court-despite-ne-of-his-victims-was-a-baby/#comment-34103 Could you answer some questions that keep nagging at me? Why have you not looked at anything religious in your rear view mirror? Why do you keep hanging around instead of moving on to celebrate your freedom from all this? This particular branch of religion has left deep scars in your life. I am not one to give advise but I have been around a lot longer than you and I have suffered a lot of heartache. Closing doors that protect me from that pain has allowed me to move forward. If I continued to replay all that anguish and kept poking in that pile of pain, I would never heal.<a href="#comment-33896" rel="nofollow">@Markus </a> Could you answer some questions that keep nagging at me? Why have you not looked at anything religious in your rear view mirror? Why do you keep hanging around instead of moving on to celebrate your freedom from all this? This particular branch of religion has left deep scars in your life. I am not one to give advise but I have been around a lot longer than you and I have suffered a lot of heartache. Closing doors that protect me from that pain has allowed me to move forward. If I continued to replay all that anguish and kept poking in that pile of pain, I would never heal.@Markus

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