Jehovah's Witness pedophile walked free from court despite one of his victims was a baby
A Jehovah’s Witness pedophile was spared prison despite admitting carrying out a string of sex attacks on young children.
Michael Porter, 38, used his trusted position as a ministerial servant to indulge his habits as a pedophile. One of his victims was an 18-month-old baby.
Jehovah’s Witness parents trusted him to look after their children, and Porter regularly babysat for youngsters, took them away on holidays and invited them for sleepovers at his home.
Michael Porter pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on children at Bristol Crown Court.
He walked free from court on August 23 (2007) despite admitting his sexual abuse of young children. Judge Thomas Crowther handed him a three-year community rehabilitation order after hearing he had undergone therapy.
Judge Thomas Crowther said:
“This is a case which in my experience is exceptional, in a sense historic and revealed by you in unusual circumstances which I am sure are linked with the faith by which you now run your life. ..
I’m satisfied, having the advantage of a number of reports as to your early background, that the reasons for your behaving as you did are complex and personal and reveal that you were subject to pressures which make it understandable that you should have acted as you did in this case. ..
What’s important, in terms of sentence, to realize is that you had changed your life before there was any question of these matters being revealed and I’m as satisfied as I can be, whereas in some circumstances punishment by way of imprisonment is inevitable, this is not one of those, and the proper sentence is a community rehabilitation order.”
However, Porter’s sister Tina Hughes spoke out against the ruling and warned that her brother would commit further offences now he was back in society:
“I think the judge was absolutely pathetic. He just took my brother’s side completely and believed that all he needed was a bit more therapy and now realized he had done wrong. …
He blamed his childhood for the attacks, which was a lie, but the judge ate it all up. …
I just broke down in tears when the judge said he wasn’t going to jail. The whole courtroom went quiet. No-one could believe it. …
I can’t believe the judge thinks he is safe to be allowed out on the streets. He won’t stop. …He has gone back to London and left us to pick up the pieces. He hasn’t lost anything. He hasn’t even lost his wife. He hasn’t been affected in any way. He can go away and pretend nothing has happened because he doesn’t have to live here.”
A source said:
“One of the problems was that most of the victims were not prepared to make statements or give any kind of evidence. The offenses took place a long time ago and most of them seemed keen to put it all behind them.”
Mr Porter’s current Jehovah’s Witness congregation has stood by him despite confessing to his crimes, according to his sister. He is thought to be an elder at the Mill Hill Kingdom Hall, in Barnet, north London. Mill Hill is one of the most significant congregations in United Kingdom, as it is the official home congregation for the Branch Office of the IBSA (International Bible Students Association). Porter is listed as a “Trustee” for the Mill Hill Congregation with the UK Charities Commission.
Jehovah’s Witness elders from Porter’s Mill Hill Congregation assured media that Porter would be “supervised” as he attended meetings and door to door ministry to offer bibles studies with families.
Update: On 19 September 2007 the BBC reported that Porter’s case is to be reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The Court of Appeal will now review the case to decide whether to increase Porter’s sentence.
A statement from the Attorney General’s office said:
“After a careful review, the Attorney General Baroness Scotland has decided to refer the sentence. She considers the sentence to be unduly lenient.
It will now be for the Court of Appeal to decide at a future hearing whether or not to increase the sentence.”
@otto marconi
hi otto,the Ra in question is this authors name(like cassius clay to muhammad ali I guess.)Ra Un Nefer Amen 1,Shekem Ur Shekem of the Auser Auset Society.Ashem Ur Ashemu of the Shrines of Taui New York,U.S.A.I haven’t had the time to investigate this supposedly ancient cult,but half way through Vol 1. I find it interesting reading,and although I surely can’t agree with every thing I’ve read,there is much sound philosophy in there(if you can get through the white bashing,of which I am perfectly comfortable with).If the theology is accurate, it is a very good toolbook for understanding eastern religions,and mysticisms as well.Funny I can look at the world through this guys view easily,And even yours, but when I try that from the j.w.’s, it is so illogical that my head hurts.I would have to shut off entire portions of my brain.Maybe with advanced meditation techniques and devices,sensory deprivation tanks combined with drugs,labotamy?nahh!see you at the beach,shell.
@otto marconi
agreed otto,but I maintain my naturalistic views,true nature is learning from the unchanging, the pure, and I will last.I was definately born free of deviant tendencies,I don’t try to overthink it though.My grandfather was a psychologist and I consider a great many of the books in his library to be complete crap,but then again so is most of the stuff that colleges pump out as fact.(history especially)!So take out your pillow biters,and yer carpet munchers and insert your latest behavioral disorder, and see if the words of Ra Un Nefer Amen make more sense.Jehovah’s suck.Arenabe…thats Penobscot for man.may the megis guide you. ,yer freind shell
greetings otto,forgive me, I tend to ramble from time to time,poor typist also.the sidenote was unfinished due to the lack of time in a day.I could write volumes on the degeneration of humanity as ,I see it.That was a nature observation(i was raised in very wooded settings).There isn’t much room for selfishness in the natural way of life.(The unevolved man,regardless of how educated ,whether in science,morality,health religion,ect.is not truly able to apply the higher teachings efficiently in life.he can only see the external and lower side of religion.To him, it is a system of worship and adoration of God.Morality is limited to the specific acts that have been pointed out to be immoral to society.So limited is his thinking to surface and external appearances that he cannot see that there is no biological or physiological or spiritual support for homosexual sex,for example.We can go on)Quote from Metu Neter vol 1.I believe these sub-humans are self perpetuating someone else’s master plan of just downright evil by simple dogma,and of course you have to have a breeding population of weak minded fools.That reminds me. I read a report stating that the J.W.’s actually were luring young drug addicted women,and runaways into their buildings,tying them up, and using them for baby mill type operations.Have you heard of such things?They’re already too ghastly for me.I wish them away,every day.Wakey,wakey is just something I say to people in the morning.night bud.
@otto marconi
Hey man thats free..its like my old buddy MO TI, then MO DI/MO TZU said, the root of all evil is selfishness.I conjectured every form I could think of and I couldn’t think of any that didn’t have it,s roots there.Money-no. In short, ancient chinese philosophers have passed up gaggles of relegioso by lightyears,except for the semi-educated ,and the uneducated with the common sense of a redneck(or blackneck I cant forget my sun absorbing friends!)Iv’e known farm animals with better logic than these so called humans.(side note:only domesticated animals dislay homosexualality,does this relate to the human animal?I think so.)There are many things that this sub species is capable of, and I don’t want to see any more.But I really hate the few who orchestrate this,and they will die.Sleep well, because it’s the only thing separating you from the best day you ever had.Wakey Wakey!
Sorry Otto. I was on my lunch break and in a hurry.By native I meant eastern Cherokee.By European I meant Irish, German, French.From what I can gather all branches have been a royal pain in the ass for the agenda of the ruling elite,their pawns,and their control devices(government,phony religions that some stupid people made up for their own benefit,and even dumber people who congregate to the flock.)the rebel chromosome keeps passing up the sheeple.for the powers that be,I like William Cooper’s take,but many others have relevant views.I read somewhere that the most likely suspect for engineering the christian bible was a man named Piso(pronounced peso),but regardless, I have read the books that they plagiarized (poorly with many cut-outs,mistranslations, and outright lies) and they also came from earlier sources.So in conclusion, any body who worships a religion that has an earlier root,in this age of information, is swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.so which end of the spectrum do the j.w.’s reside? Why don’t you remind us,tee-heee,spherical thoughts, yer friend Shell
@otto marconi
otto my man,im usually against genetic cleansing,(because i’m sure i’m on somebodies list), but your right,karmas can kill.Glooskap’s speed! night bud,
@otto marconi
well said,but what I was curious about, was your country,or region, that your amazing gift for putting words into colour, so elocuentually,originates.other than that I agree with every thing you say,I mean, even the words that I’ve never heard before somehow make sense to me.keep up the good work!if the economy wasn’t so bad I’d invest in a coffee table book of your blogs. it would sell because Americans hate these assholes just as much as you do.if you doubt that,just ask 100 people outside their control towns(most of America).we got enough problems, and the big tides getting mighty high. holler back brother,
@otto marconi
I”m not sure exactually where your lingo derives from ,but I like it.I am a native American religious man, who studies world religions,and I believe the leaders of this(and other cults),should be castrated, on site, for even admitting to be a part of such a blasphemous organization. your friend, shelltile56@yahoo.com
i personal do not know all facts of the case , however according to the constitution of Jehovah,s Kingdom (the Bible) it explains that on the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every word must be verefied , practices of homosexuality beasteality or oany porneia
or pervert act is against Jehovah,s law ,and JEHOVAH GOD himself will take action against that person no matter who that person is without partiality , Jehovah God execute 25000 members in mount sinai when they commit adultery there is no way for escape , humans have tendency to cover the error but not the creator of the universe he is watching very close all human affairs and he ha appointed a king to execute his will since 1914 we have enter on the last days of this system of things , as the days of the nations have been terminated , jehovah god knows his people by name those who are genuine and those who professing , any default on his holy name and prepare for death manure to the ground ,so no excuses and as for those who say a they brace my family those words are not true the bible regulations brace them because they do not want to follow so they look for the blame game , I am standing as a loyal to the creator, if anyone have complaint, i suggest to take a mirror,, and a chair, and seat and, examine his contact, and his brain,and not to accuse the loving creator, of this planet, who allow us to leave for free ,and enjoy all good things, of life, this planet, it is his property, we are temporary residence, without pay rent, and we complaint, we have no right, to do so, GENESIS 3:15 states, enmity, betewen two seeds, jehovah god, will settle, this ,in Armaggeddon, the war, he will bring on mankind, by doing a demonstration of power and all rebellion will settle once and for all simple as that
this person is not a jehovah,s witness jehovah,s people they do not after children he professing to be like satan who professing to be god mimic god what the judge did is his problem but i can assure you he just claim to be so a bed name on jehovah,s witness to be given actions such as this we do not even think we make it clear the true jehovah,s witnesses love they enemies obey the law and protect the innocent and up hold the law if he is a witness i am an air force pilot he is a scam and take this to the bank
cara vc não entende nada vc pprecisa respeita os outros não colocando sua opinão em pulblico@otto marconi
ni verguenza les da engañar a la gente y publicar las marranadas de sus cerdos congregados,hablan de amor a dios y correccion y esta visto q ustedes son peores. deberia darles verguenza anunciar asi lo q tanto, ustedes si son hijos del DIOS DE ESTE SISTEMA DE COSAS q tanto citan en su biblia y pidanle a Dios q si yo estoy mal me ilumine. pero si ustedes son los q estan mal los ayude a terminar con sus mentiras y los perdone
Jehovah God should not be blamed for anything bad that happens on this earth. we are sinners everything is our fault from adam and eve so miss natalie get your head in the bible and then talk.
@ladyjemima
I know this is a very touchy issue and I am in groups that support children of sexual abuse and I even still get sick to the stomach when I hear of babies and infants that are sexually abused and then murdered.
Its horrid and yes satan is working over time to drag as many as he can down under with him.
He thrives on the death and mutilation of innocent people and Of course Jehovah God is the first to be blamed…I am longing for the time Jehovah shows his wrath and wipes this God forsaken world and all its badness out, it will be nice to see the back of it.
Remain strong people not long left.
The witnesses and the organization DO NOT COVER UP THESE SICK AND DISGUSTING PERVERTS,Jehovahs Organization is Not Like that , and if anyone wants to debate it, I have good arguement and I know first hand it doesnt get brushed under the mat, not at all.
All of you need to re-read the NWT and meditate on it. You are all confused about Jehovah’s witnesses. We all are not evil. They’re evildoers in every religion. How do you know that Charles Taze Russell was a freemason at the time of starting the bible students, Markus? You all are brainwashed with the evils of Satan the devil. This is what he did to Eve. Made her feel that Jehovah was depriving her of something good, and keeping her in the dark. Satan was wrong! He was depriving Eve of something and keeping her in the dark. Jehovah was protecting her! Re-read your NWT daily!
Here is a link to an official newspper article of the case cookie. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2317335.ece
How come you didn’t print the news article as you have done in other areas. It read as if you had edited perhaps some important information out. It sounded like this was something from his life BEFORE he became one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
It seems to me you have a deep seeded anger and hatred for the Witnesses.
Sounds like you were one of those who was disfellowed and you have a real axe to grind.
Whatever religion you are, if you claim to be a Christian, then you should be following God’s Word. He has the authority to tell us what is acceptable to him and what is not. Jesus gave us two commands to follow which replaced the Law. These two commandments are to love God with you whole heart and soul and to love your neighbor. In the end, we all will answer to God for the type of life we have led. While we may all fall short, as we are imperfect humans and do make mistakes, it is our attitude toward the wrong doing, our repentance that earns us forgiveness from God. Thank God, He judges us on our efforts and not necessarily on what we accomplish. The Bible also says that if we expect forgiveness from God, then we must extend forgiveness to others. I suggest you put your axe away and beg God for forgiveness for you are doing Jehovah’s Witnesses a great injustice.
@tina
dear of course “jesus the christo” exists. we see IT every time we do the big thing in the bathroom. that what you perv adore!!!! ya ain’t but scatdevourers, get lost you and thine pope-invented faecal cylinder splattered on a cross. it’s also taught by the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger.
For those of you who think there is no other evidence except the Bible regarding Jesus’ true existance, please visit:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39332
****Also, I like what this site said near the beginning. Which is in a nutshell, that the disciples of Jesus who wrote the Bible, weren’t trying to write holy scriptures. They were writing letters to other believers about what they saw and what the Holy Spirit communicated to them. Please check the site out. Also, think about what our year has on the end…”A.D.” …and before Jesus has “B.C.” Well, I guess there are some liberals who are trying to push a different expression instead of the above. Also, Josh Mc Dowell has a very good book called, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict”. He went to Europe as a young upstart. I don’t recall wheterh he had graduated yet from college. But he was on a quest that he was going to dicover that Jesus wasn’t the Messiah…wasn’t who he said he was and that Josh wanted to be THE one who would tell the whole world that Jesus was not really who he said he was. By the end of all his research, this atheist guy became a true believer in Jesus Christ. Therefore, instead of wasting lots of money and going on a quest like Josh Mc Dowell, go read his book and anything he’s written about evidence of Jesus Christ being truly who he said he was. Also, the Old Testament is an amazing compilation of scriptures that prophecy about Jesus: Isaiah 53 is a good start. Then Google “Prophecies about Jesus Messiahship” or something along those lines and you will find so many prophetic scriptures that it will make your head spin. I am a Bible Minor and when you look at all the evicence from both the Old and New Testaments plus what other witnesses said about Jesus, the evidence really is too overwhelming…Dudes…he really did exist and he really is the Savior/Messiah of the World.
I am not a JW. I have attended many meetings however and something really puzzles me. I have heard from the podium and from the Elders many times that Baptised Witness of Jehovah should not, must not visit what they call “apostate” websites.
I’m fairly sure this site would be placed in that category by the JW’s so I’m wondering …. just WHY are all these “faithful brothers” doing here? Seems like a lot of disobedient people to me, and you know who you are… are subject to being dealt with by the elders for what certainly must be for them, a “sin”.
I was brought up as a JW until 16. Thank God I was able to make up my mind about the mindlessness of being a witness. Witness to what?
It is interesting to me, that a majority of you are not even discussing the issue. This man uses his faith as a shield to molest children and gods “organization” on earth stands around with their hands in their pockets. The reaction by most Whitnesses her speaks to the careful mind control the Watchtower and AWAKE! diseminate. Will not ONE JW stand up and question why these men are allowed in the Kingdom Hall after such behavior? Please think about it. Is it really “god’s will” to allow a child molester among you?
I left the Whitness 20 years ago due to a similar event and I prefer my Pagan justice. When we find a molester among our ranks we give him a choice: the Police and courts OR a Death Warrant.
What is wrong with you people how can you stand by someone who rape a kid and did not DISFEELOWSHIP him but if i would cheat on my husband man come on be real what does god hates more since your people stay in the bible you should know already you have it all screwed up you nned to open your eyes and realize that your doing wrong by standing by that man
@Nhlanhla
Nope I had new light shine on me. I was but am no longer witless.
Cheers,
Markus
Markus yuo seemed as one of JW are you?
Coz Im a Witness
Nhlanhla
@joe reynolds
You can be happy that your family is still together. If one becomes a so called ‘apostate’ the whole happy family collapses. I experienced this first hand.
@Richard E
Jehovah’s Witness women do work. Also, the circuit and district overseers are taken care of financially in directly. They do not receive a salary and it’s supported through the Watchtower Branches. Most congregations realize what a sacrifice it is to give up a permanent home etc to sheppard the congregations, so if we choose, we donate, or help them. By no means are they on a salary. If you go to any kingdom hall around the world, there is a donation box in it. NO plate is passed for money or to pay a person to preach. This pays for the bills of the kingdom hall, electic, etc. and the world wide preaching work going on. I encourage you to please talk to a Jehovah’s Witness in your area. As one myself, I love the hope for the future and know that I was not brainwashed and am very happy as a person as my family is too.
@joe reynolds
Only the brothers have a job in your congregation? I thought even JW women are allowed to work.
BTW
Circuit and District Overseers are financed by the Organization…
I would like to simply state, I a Jehovah’s Witness. I was not raised as one either. In fact, I was a person who was in the military at the time. I no longer am in the military. I have been a baptized Witness for 15 years. it’s true their have been a some who have done things that are wrong and it’s brought to light and they are expelled from the Congregation to keep it clean.It is the only organization that does this. Also, I have traveled and been in congregations as far as the middle east and they are teaching the exact thing there as they are in the States, unlike modern religion that changes to suit the needs of society or loss of membership. The Witnesses do what the Bible commands them Matt 24:19, 20 to do as Jesus did and out of love of their neighbor. We do not try to upset our neighbors and we want to share our hope from the scriptures or the future that no other religion does. Dying is not natural, people don’t like death, cancer, etc. No one breaks your arm to be a Jehovah’s Witness.Not one person on this earth is perfect, but they are peacable people and Jesus warned that his followers would be hated. Please, if you have questions, talk to a person who is a active Jehovah’s Witness at a Kingdom Hall and or at the Branch in New York. The witnesses don’t charge a fee or charge to assist in a Bible study.There is no one getting paid a salary at any kingdom hall as the brothers all have jobs that support their famalies. I hope this helps those who may feel upset by those who are knocking on their doors on Saturday Mornings. Also, Michael Jackson was no longer associated with the Witnesses and had turned to Islam.
Touché. I will research some more.
@Devin G
Hey guess what pal? You are an apostate three times over because as you put it ‘by definition’ an apostate is one who has turned his back on his former religion or belief. As the JW is the fourth attempt at religion for you, you have turned your back on your former three religions. Most JW think that an apostate is a nasty someone who is out to get them, and as usual, do not bother to take any initiative and look up the word, but will parrot the incorrect definition from colleagues. Seems you have not been a JW for very long and already are acting foolish. You will find that after some time that the endless meetings you attend will become paramount in your focus, as will the number of magazines you place. Other things that mean anything to anyone like the ’superbowl’ or ‘the world series’ or ‘world cup’ will not interest you in the least. You will become a zombie and funny thing is you will like it.
I suggest that a child as bright as you should at least read the articles posted on this site, before you make your idiotic claim that the JW make a lot of sense.
@Devin G
Seems your spelling has improved somewhat, very good. There are a few things you need to learn about history though. It is imperative the source of your information is reliable. You will find plenty of pro-Christian websites claiming all kinds of made up mumbo jumbo as to why history indicates the authenticity of Jesus having existed.
Read the writings of Josephus and Philo, reliable sources of history of the Jews just after the time of Jesus’ alleged existence, and please don’t pass the well documented forgery of Josephus on me.
You will find over 25 volumes of Josephus, in this you will find one paragraph that could be referring to anyone of that era but of course pro Jesus folks claim it is undoubtedly about Jesus. I for one find it quite remarkable how little is written about Jesus who should have been more popular than Elvis.
I was a JW for as long as you have been alive, I am interested in why you think it the best religion you have tried. Have you ever done any research in subliminal brainwashing?
Your new ‘buddy’,
Markus
@Devin G.
No kid that’s 14 years old is bragging about his age like you do. The internet is a nice place to play role games. You are just a guy that’s 41 or something.
So don’t play games buddy!
I’m a very open minded person. Being 14 i have already tried 4 religions, JW being the 4th. But i do defend the ground that i stand. I’m not even baptized, i dont make the meetings regularly. All i know at the moment is the Witnesses make allot of sense.
Markus, i know allot about history, i have a 4.5 grade point average in the subject, i have won awards in the subject, so i do my research, and in history there is recorded proof of Jesus existing, Pontius Pilate ordered his crucifiction.
So, dont try to tell me about history buddy.
@Devin G.
Devin,
What is the difference in information on your windshield and Watchtower and Awake stuffed in my front door at my home? I don’t call you names because you trespass on my personal property. As for me, I think that a public parking facility is a little less invasive.
I had the opportunity to study your religion and no one called me names or beat me over the head for doing so. I did not believe what you believe and I rejected it and went on my way. Because you close your mind to any other beliefs and think them evil puts you in a position of Judge. Unless you are superman, you do not know the heart of a person. Please be careful lest you be wrong.
@Devin G
Seeing as you know alot about alot why don’t you do a bit of research to find some historical evidence (outside the Bible that is) of Jesus having existed. Thou shalt be surprised to see the lack of abundance thereof.
While you are at it alot about alot, why don’t you find out how the JWs were founded, and the nonsense they preached at the time, like aluminium causing cancer and how vaccinations are both ungodly and immoral and banned members to have them. I wonder how many innocents died of diseases that could have been prevented by a simple inoculation.
How many times must the end of the world be predicted, and predicted wrongly that is, before someone who knows alot about alot starts asking questions?
You are only 14 years old you should be asking questions about everything especially on how you came to exist, and should never be accepting unproven answers given to you which is exactly what the JW do, especially in the Watchtower study.
Do some research, and try to pay more attention in your spelling class, or least get your parents to apply for a refund cause you haven’t learned much.
Cheers,
Markus
A motley crew is a cliché for a roughly-organized assembly of characters. Typical examples of motley crews are pirates, Western posses, rag-tag mercenary bands or freedom fighters. They may align with, be (as a group), or include either the protagonist or the antagonist of the story.
Motley crews are, by definition, non-uniform and undisciplined as a group. They are characterised by containing characters of conflicting personality, varying backgrounds, and, usually to the benefit of the group, a wide array of methods for overcoming adversity. Traditionally, a motley crew who in the course of a story comes into conflict with an organised, uniform group of characters, will prevail. This is generally achieved through the narrative utilising the various specialties, traits and other personal advantages of each member to counterbalance the (often sole) specialty of a formal group of adversaries. This sounds nothing like JWs. We are very well organized. And have a population over 1,000,000… Clearly not Motley Crew..
You apostates came to our convention in Houston and placed fliers on our wind shields. You are an evil people. Founded by some of the disfellowshiped anointed ones. I think you just got lazy or bored and decided to turn towards trying to make the JWs life harder, you’re trying to keep people away from the truth, you’re working along side of Satan and the world. You are going to die, while most of us JWs make to the new kingdom.You’re all jealous that we’re making a bigger impact on the world than you. So stop spamming the topics and get a life.
Any news as to what happened at the Court of Appeal?
This is a typical emotional response from a JW, devoid of any facts to support another train of thought or argument.
Your comment merely reinforces many people’s perception of your group, an uneducated motley crew with only the ability to quote or robotically parrot mindless garbage from the Watchtower.
Please open your eyes.
you are evil people! apostate! God judment is over you! you sons of Satan. liers! JW do not sale in the doors anything! your father is satan the manslayer lier!
you are his seed! LIERS!
dear monalisa,
thank you for praying for me.
Sad to say, like most religious people you fall in the trap of gross generalization (me not knowing my bible), stereotyping (”these are the morons…”) and derogatory categorizazion (”those who await their doom…”). You should know better than boring otto marconi with shallow thinking. But I like your nick so I’ll give ya some food for thought.
You wanna push Jesus as a good fella, ok, but you have to agree with him that all those who exercise their right to think different (WHICH DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THINKING AND DOING EVIL) or beg to differ have to go straight to hell, sooner or later (hope you won’t deny this).
As for jesus gory strategies read the way he fancied picturing himself in Luke 19:27: just like an Al Qaeda whacko that slices people’s throats for exercising their right not to be one of subjects.
Then pick up Galatians 6:7: ‘whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap’.
Well, tell me…WHAT have all innocent children, infants, newborn, fetuses etc. SOWN as to deserve reaping abortion, mass-rape, torture, horrific violence, mind-blowing physical and psychological disease (congenital or acquired), starvation, incineration, slavery, forced prostitution, sexual abuse, infibulation, stoning, as so forth? Who the hell will give them their lost infancy, youth, families, lives? Will thy god rewing the tape of time and make it for for them?
And you come here talking about free-will?
What about gays and lesbians (hope you don’t believe homosexuality is a learned habit and not genetically determined unless you science is superior than true, evidence-supported science…), what or where is their free-will? Of course for prudish religionists it’s safer thinking that gays are just depraved folk and that they deserve hell-fire unless they change (!) or abstain. Easier to blame them and their “misuse” of “free-will” rather than wondering why good jesus didn’t make sure this wouldn’t happen when he engineered the human body?
Now dear monalisa go to the website “SET FREE FROM JESUS” go thru all its entries and ya’ll see that jesus ain’t no better than his daddy, war-kriminal yhwh.
Oops!! I meant PREDATOR, not VICTIM. The judge might be one also…
Um, ok…
1)It seems to me that you don’t know your Bible very well. Right from the start (Gen.), we learn that humans now posess the ability to choose between right and wrong; assuming that they know the difference b/w the two. For those who may not, mistakes are just that – mistakes, but for those who do know better and don’t do better, it is accounted to them as foolishness. These are the morons of the world. Bad overides good, yet is never better. And, people who are weak-minded follow corruption (morrons).
2)On the terrorist situation: Where have you been for the last 5 years? Haven’t you figured out yet that the Amer. gov’t. is tightly associated with the arabs? 9-11 could very well have been an inside job.
3)The Bible is not blasphemous, just it’s readers.
4)A better society can and will only happen when those who hold strong beliefs on peace and respect take charge.
5)Jesus never taught violence (see Ghandi, Martin Luthe King Jr., etc…). One of his companions (I think it was Peter) cut off the ear of a soldier who was there to arrest Jesus, yet Jesus pomptly placed it back, saying: “Put your sword back in it’s place [...] for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” [...] He then asked the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. But this has all taken place that the writtings of the pophets might be fulfilled.” (Matt. 26:50-56 NIV) When Jesus speaks of taking violently, he means without waver, passionately, unrelentlessly… He was talking about taking the world by storm – by way of spiritual conversion (to become a calmer, more insightful and peace-loving person). Not taking it physically (like the Cath. church has done in the name of a diff. god, no doubt) Remember: the crusades were a ploy designed and directed by the cath. chur. to overtake jerusalem from the jews. In fact, almost every massacre done to them was done with this in mind (WWII). Unfortunately, taking by force proves itself more often than not to be the only way to convince the simple-minded on which way to go. Whether by way of jesus or the pope, force is it. Yet God prefers that WE journey TO Him (He provides the map, gas, provisions, etc.), because by doing this, we then will have understood WHY it is said that His way is indeed the better way. Better isn’t always easier, but nothing worth having ever is.
6)Those who await their doom in the end will be those who have willingly rejected the truth about the better way. The better way is LOVE and respect for mankind.
7)I’ll pray for you. You seem to have the right intent, just not the right information. (remember: there are sheep and then there are goats. don’t let the goats bully you arround. the faith belongs to the sheep, not the goats. the goats just pretend to be sheep.)
As I see it, it is possible that the judge in this particular case (as with so many others we have seen) is most likely of the same persuation as the said victim. These creeps will protect and defend each other in order to keep the peace among themselves, at the unfortunate expense of the rest of society.
Having never been a witness it is ovious you are totally unqualified to make the comment you have made. As an ex jw Iurge you to research there dismal record and reavualate you statement based on the results.
What’s the situation with child abuse?
Not good. They (Jehovah’s Witnesses) take Deuteronomy 19:15 literally, which demands two witnesses to a crime (not easy in cases of abuse). And they cite 1 Corinthians 6:1-11 – “Does anyone of you that has a case against the other dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones?” – to justify trying to deal with criminals with courts of elders rather than courts of law.
A Panorama (British) investigation reported they have an internal list of 23,720 reported abusers which they keep private.
Studies in the US suggest they (Jehovah’s Witnesses) have proportionally FOUR times more sexual assaults on children than the Catholic Church.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/features/article3133271.ece
from here
(What is disturbing is that these predators are required to go door to door in the Jehovah’s Witnesses
Hi Jones,
my remark I think you didn’t get is the one about I understand you think it’s not jesus’ teachings that produce bad fruit but that individuals claiming to be christians bear bad fruit and that they will be dealt with as in the gospel.
true, some use religion in order to further their own interest ofetn in a criminal way.
However my point (which you disagree with but that’s ok) is not that some misrepresent christianity but that christianity itself is one of the greatest sources of evil in the last 2,000 years. Actually, however much people might misrepresent christianity (not you cos as I said you ain’t a good christian nor a bad christian but only, thank God, a good, guy) they will never match the evil produced by christianity.
I would like, above all, to give you my best wishes for your grandson and your business too.
Otto;
“Thy word have I hid in my heart that I may not sin against thee.” Why would I want to examine “Set Free From Jesus?”
My grandson has Cerebral Paisley and has a co clear implant so that he can hear. My family has experienced much and look forward to seeing this little boy run and play in a whole body.
I don’t understand your comment about single individuals being wrong but not the ….slavebugger. Wrong is wrong regardless of what face you put on it.
I don’t get to judge. That is not my job. I am surely glad too.
No, I have not answered your question. Maybe some time in the future I will.
In the meantime, I am closing my business and having a BIG closing sale.
Jones the anonymous post ID 297106 is mine, guess you got it anyway by the style.
bye!!!