@Markus
I was unfortunate to have been brought up a JW, suffering sexual abuse at the hands of family, which was hidden and swept under the carpet. You see my abuser was baptised after the fact and had all those sins washed away, lucky for him… I was banned from having non JW friends, beaten regularly and the victim of intense brainwashing and emotional -mental abuse at the hands of my loving parents and ‘brothers and sisters’. After finally realizing I needed freedom after the loss of my biological father I was disfellowshiped and banished from everthing and everyone I had ever known, left for dead at the age of 17. My own mother would actually cross the road if she seen me walking down the street. How is any of that christian, by any means or descritption??? The attitudes, values, beliefs and even theology are all wrong. JW are so intensely brainwashed into believing that S*T*N is lurking around every corner they would never question or look into or question anything, how sad, as I have come to realise many truths since leaving. I am now a christian and attend an apostolic church, what a breath of fresh air, the true freedom recieved in Christ is overwhelming and I feel so blessed to have a new faith, one where Im free to learn, question and grow for myself. I have since forged some kind of relationship with my parents, and other siblings who have since left, not without damage of some sort. I forgive them, they truly believe, its intrinsic and like oxygen to them. They have their faith and I now have mine, I know Im a winner, I have a new family in Christ and am finally happy and free.

@Jones
Ag shame, poor creature cannot take an insult. Stop defending yourself and start defending that bloody stupid and bloodthirsty God you so worship. How many brilliant Greek Mathematicians and philosophers had to die because of Christian dogma. Please tell everyone how the good all knowing all mighty Lord got the geographical fundamentals of the Earth so screwed up so badly.

Face it Jones, we were all brought up with this nonesense. You, being brought up in Biblebelt USA haven’t got a chance because of the the crap engraved in your head.
PS. FYI Stephen Fry is a notable Homosexual (I can see you now holding hands to cheeks). I suppose from your limited and biased viewports you have no choice but to run down this good man, who had guts enough to stand against the Vatigan.
He said, as I do not: “I do not direct this statement against anyone of the Catholic Church, but rather to the head of this evil establishment”.
He holds people like you dear, I just think you are plain dumb.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus
Why you stoop to name calling and becoming personal during this debate shows a juvenile side of you that is so unbecoming. We can debate without such outlandish comments.

My Bible God started it all and He made the laws. People who want to live on the edge and skirt rules and regulations are the first who want mercy instead of justice. People in the OT saw what was going on with the Israelites and they were determined to bring them down. Can you call to memory any group who has been targeted and killed any more than the Jews? They are still around and many wonder why. Powers have come to note and disappeared who carried more manpower and real estate than any Jew ever had. They are still around. Do you ever wonder why?

Laws of nature should tell all of us something. You build your house in the shadow of a volcano and it blows. You make the decision to live there. Your family and all that you possess are ashes. You build on an earthquake fault line and the same happens. That mountain will hold so much snow and when that avalanche rumbles down that mountain, the kids and the cows are subject to the decision that you made. Is it right? We all suffer the consequences for the actions of others every day that we live. It happens in government, the workplace, and at home under our own roof. We may not like but it is true.

I don’t know where you get your moral code. I don’t know what rules you live by. I don’t know if you ever feel any guilt for anything you do that harms another. What is your book of rules? I would like to read it and learn just where your parameters are and when you say to yourself “enough is enough.”

You compare me to evil who would kill at will. I am glad you are not my judge.

@Jones
Sheez, even the Japs had a better prisoner of war policy than Biblegod. His POW policy was kill everybody, even the dogs and cats, but keep the virgins as booty.
Because you read it in the Bible it must be good, why don’t you call yourself Osame bin Jones, because your and his thinking are fundamentally the same.

@Markus Watched the video and I really don’t think that what was being said was an act of bravery. When one reads the life and activities of Jesus and his apostles and compares that to the the life of a pope acting as a vicar of Christ and his “subjects” the comparison should have an impact. Problem is there is no in depth independent study and you see the results. You can fix ignorance if one recognizes the disease. Otherwise one so comfortable with their ignorance will stay ignorant.

You are so turned off by the events that you deem barbaric in the OT. What I glenn from all the OT is this: The Israelites were His chosen people. The whole world knew it. Everyone was out to bring them down. They were as persistent as God was. They enslaved, used, tortured and killed. God in His own way retaliated. It was to us ugly and bloody. When His own erred, He did not spare them either. If the Israelites had been left alone none of the war and bloodshed would have happened. When God told Abraham and Sarah they would have a son the took matters into their own hands. We are still living with that sin.

When all is said and done, you and I are worlds apart in our beliefs. Your prosperity is a result of your endeavors. What I achieve comes from God and I am blessed to have a pretty sharp mind for someone so old and the opportunity to to achieve goals and create beauty even now. When you die you have nothing. On the other hand, I have a goal for what comes after. Your best day is as close to Heaven you will ever have. My best day on earth is nothing compared to what is to come. Anticipation in itself is sweet because I get to experience joy even in that. See the difference? I get a reward that you will never have no matter how you dice it. You cannot argue with that.

>@Jones
Hey Jones you are in the Bible belt, and I can understand your nonebelievance (if this is a word) just because tou think so.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqB3F6N527U&feature=related this is a person that has more guts than I can describe.

Cheers,
markus

@Jones
Hi again, let me try to explain as best I can. I have come to the conclusion that not only are the JW false but so is the rest of all old book based faith religion.
I carry on the way I do, running down religion because I think it a moral thing to do. When I read The OT I am amazed how cruel a so called loving God can be. I think the Christian excuse of ‘we are born in sin and have to redeem ourselves before we are born’, really sucks, and in my view, is a disgrace of the worst degree.
The Christian idea, adopted from the Jews of tithes or 10% of your income, smacks of both greed and cherry picking of quotes in the OT.

When the Pope visits Africa in his bulletproof popemobile and does a live performance in front of a largely native but Catholic audience; and tells these already AIDS stricken people that condoms will make this epidemic worse, well Jones you can fill in the gaps as to what I think of this.
The OT nowadays tend to get divorced by modern day Christian pastors or the like. This I say, according to the good book is not allowed. Watch another boring video of mine, besides making a point, it will add to the poor no. of hits it receives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptl_A4WZVo
I understand your feeling for the need of comfort. God is something we were all brought up with and at a very yound age this is imprinted in our brains, we all at one time prayed to God, and yes even I felt better after doing so, especially when I was in trouble. Do not stop praying if this is your comfort, but please do not sanction a false belief so it can gain financial reward from good, but gullible folk.
Cheers,
Markus

I watched your video but that did not answer my questions as to why you continue to debate about something you say you are over and done with. My excuse for continuing to study and read about this doctrine is because the Kingdom Hall is just around the corner from my house. The door to door canvasing on Saturdays drive me crazy. I have something to counter their haughty know it all attitude. I even offer to study with them not using their usual propaganda but just from the bible. Not one has offered to sit down and study. I just wanted to know what your excuse was. @Markus

@Jones
Hi again, yep the answer to why I detest all religions is as I have said many times before, sorry you missed them. I owe the JW a great deal. When I was obsessed with them I was taught that all other religions were wrong. We had pictures on our Watchtower magazines of priests running panic stricken while buildings around them were crumbling and it would seem it was indeed the end.
At the devastating loss of my religion/loss of everlasting life, especially when the end is imminent was quite a blow especially when I believed this to be the utmost truth.
I started reading for the first time, and started thinking also for the first time.
I realized religion in any form is a lot of toss.
The story/myth of Adam and Eve on which Chtistainity and Judiasm is based is a lot of crock. Here is a link to a I made to reply to some preacher on u-tube who said I spoke with marbels in my mouth and I spoke very clearly to avoid any confusion.
This may help you understand where I am comming from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hpn6HLIbY
Cheers,
Markus

Could you answer some questions that keep nagging at me? Why have you not looked at anything religious in your rear view mirror? Why do you keep hanging around instead of moving on to celebrate your freedom from all this? This particular branch of religion has left deep scars in your life. I am not one to give advise but I have been around a lot longer than you and I have suffered a lot of heartache. Closing doors that protect me from that pain has allowed me to move forward. If I continued to replay all that anguish and kept poking in that pile of pain, I would never heal.@Markus

Markus,
If I had any idea that the debate would achieve any results then it would be worth my time to engage. So why get bogged down in something when we both know that neither of us will change our minds? I can paint something and believe that the gift of talent was not the result of a big bang. We have been down that road before. I’ll pray for you and hope for a crack in your resolve. Until then I accept that any subject is moot where the bible is concerned.@Markus

@Jones

You say I don’t believe in Jesus. This is true I do not. I do not believe in any form of Christianity or any other fairy tale. I believe it is all false teaching. You say you don’t believe in the false teachings of the JW. What pray, is the difference between us?
I have said it once and I say it again: you can put every form of religion or Christianity in the same hall; all without fail will claim their particular faith correct, and all other false religions will be glady watched as they are destructed by the God they thought they worshipped. It just does not make any sense, does it.

Cheers,
Markus

@Jones
At least we agree not to teach nonsence that will give a young child nightmares.
Cheers

Of course Jesus was a Jew and lived under the Law of Moses. In order for the Law to be fulfilled by Him, it was imperative that He not break that Law. From Geneses to Matthew there are countless references of what was to come. That is the saying that I heard which is not scriptural I will quote. “The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed”. You don’t believe any of it and I accept that. I still don’t understand why your attitude is so negative toward believers. I don’t hold the same attitude toward you. You may know much of the scriptures and how to defame them, but I know how to live in faith and that is teaching that 4 year old that she or he is safe and should have no fear.

This post is more for the people who may be reading our exchange than for you because I know what you believe and it is pointless to argue. At least I know enough to stay away from the false teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses

Sheol surely sounds an awfully lot like a description of hell. @Markus

@Jones

In spite of your consistent rantings that I think I know it all, I wish I did. Correct me if I am wrong but perhaps you have overlooked one fine detail, this being that the Bible consists of two books.
Jesus as we all know was a Hebrew. Now when Jesus was alledgedy on Earth there was no new covenant, and he followed the law according to Moses and other rantings in the O.T. to a tee. The inventor of the new covenant was Paul an avid writer of the NT (these records are particularly extraordinary as most of them we added into the scriptures CENTURIES after the alleged events in them took place), Paul also turned out to be an apologist for some of the hard core we see in the OT, hence tithes and slavery were never done away with but we no longer had to needlessly kill and burn little lambs. Seems the writers of the NT chose the laws that best suited them and this tendency is commonplace amongst the modern day clergy.

There was never a mention of Hell as in ETERNAL sufering in the O.T. check it out, this was a new scare factor brought about by kind and gentle Jesus (actually once again the thug Paul recording these claims), who you say never condemdned any children to die, but he did, and continues to kill 90% of children; as we are all supposed children of God. The ones to find paradise are few especialy if you are blessed with a good brain that may make you rich, I believe the camel going thru the needle eye is more likely than a clever businesman ending up in heaven; or go thru the narrow gate rather than the wide path that leads to destruction. Remember here we don’t only get to die for our misdemeanours but to suffer for ever and ever for all eternity. Being slaughtered in the O.T was a gas compared to this new and improved what happens when you die as explained in the N.T.

You may think it fine and dandy that a litle 4 year old girl lying in bed at night may think she might burn in hell, but this is a dirty little perversion used by the Churches of today to brainwash us, just as you correctly pointed out, how I was once a brainwashed believer.

Cheers,
Markus

The covenant between God and the Israelites was not the covenant of Christ. AS I read and understand the Old covenant between God and the Israelites, when He commanded rules of war and consequences the commands were final. Time and again when rules were broken both sides suffered. He promised to protect His people within His rules. If He told them to take no hostages from the oppressor, He meant it. As you are a student of the Bible you will find examples over and again of bloodshed. Hamen in the book of Esther comes to mind. If you check you will find that he is the offspring of Agag the king of Amalek. (Num. 24) Saul was told to destroy them entirely (1 Sam. 15:22). The command was not carried out completely. The book of Esther records what happens when laws are broken. Achan in Joshua 7 is an example of broken commands.

I live under the Laws of Christ. He did not condemn children nor does He condemn children. What happened before Christ seems to me that God allowed even his chosen people to suffer just as He did to those people who caused suffering to the Israelites. His punishment to the Israelites was as deadly as it was to the people who caused them to suffer.

I have never heard of this preacher you quoted. People follow preachers and teachers without study and understanding what they are being taught. JW’s would cease to exist as well as false preachers and teachers in Christian teaching if there was more study and prayer of the individual.

What I don’t understand is your constant hate speech against my belief and suggestion that you are all knowing and have all the truth. I think you have every right to believe what pleases you. Your version of truth is for you to live with and I wish you well. @Markus

@Jones cont.

Here is an exerpt from a blabbering by Reverend Charles Burke, see if you can understand this nonesence:

Sin causes physical death. “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Genesis 2:17

Now, we do inherit from Adam and Eve a physical body which has the curse of death pronounced upon it. Therefore, we don’t inherit from Adam and Eve an Eternal Soul and Spirit which has the curse of Spiritual Death pronounced upon them because we must die physically in a state of sin before our Soul and Spirit will have the curse of Eternal Death pronounced upon them.

Sin will bring about Spiritual Death. “The soul (the person) that sinneth, he shall die (a Spiritual Death). The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. For the wages (the dividends) of sin is death (Spiritual Death), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Ezekiel 18:20, Romans 6:23

Now, Spiritual Death is a conditional state because we must live and die in a state of sin. Therefore, we are only responsible for our own acts and deeds which we do in this life.

Hahahahaha,
This splits my sides,this fellow is actually serious.
Cheers,
Markus

@Jones
Jeez, you been living under a rock or what, this is one, if not the one; fundamental teaching of the Christian faith that turns me away from it. We are born in sin as our fathers sinned. Eve and Adam sinned therefore we have to die as they had to die as they had sinned. There are many, many scriptures that teach this, you cannot be a Catholic and not believe this (not to say you are). Here is one scripture that come to hand, and there are many more if you wish me to dig into my archives:
This is Isaiah 14:20&21
20. You will not be given a proper burial,
for you have destroyed your nation
and slaughtered your people.
will never again receive honor.
21.Kill this man’s children!
Let them die because of their father’s sins!
They must not rise and conquer the earth,
filling the world with their cities.”

Of course all you have to do is repent and slip the people that told you this a few bucks and WHALLA you are saved, amazing don’t you think?

Cheers for now,
Markus

I guess the fact that you want to live in a world that only what you believe is allowed or approved of gets to me. I am amazed at how a JW can believe what he or she does. I will at any opportunity try to show them a different path. However at the end of the day I may not have any success with some of them. I won’t be hurling insults and tell them they are stupid. This is their choice and that ends it.@Markus

Please show me the scriptures that condemns babies and children not at an age of understanding are going to hell. I do believe that the book of Acts of the Apostles will confirm that those who obeyed the Gospel of Christ would be saved. Most assuredly they had to possess an understanding of their sinful nature in order to change. Not one scripture in all of the bible after the new covenant was established shows any shred of suggestion that babies are condemned.

I cannot argue a point or justify anything about the age of the earth. I was not there when it came into being. I am working on a fossil shell that was recovered from a dig at the bottom of a cliff. The finder believes it is 5 million years old because of the depth and earth layers. I cannot argue the point. I do not know. Does that give me cause to doubt God or Jesus Christ? No. And I will find out when it is important to know. You see, faith without proof is what faith is. Read the book of Hebrews and you will see what faith is all about.@Markus

@Jones
You know I left the JW and here are a few reasons I did what I did, here they are:
The world is not flat.
It is certainly older than 6000 years.
These mere two reasons do not really bother me although some would say they should. From a moral standpoint someone who was inspired to write the Bible surely would not know of the Geographicies of the world they created. What really gets my goat is the fact that Jesus, yes loving JESUS, says we are BORN IN SIN and if we as little infants DO NOT GET OUR ACTS TOGETHER WE WILL BURN FOREVER AND FOREVER. Little infants not being baptized going to hell. Where oh where or when do start to realize the nonesence this evil clergy is holding over you???????

Not too many years ago you were one of the “Truthers” and you somewhere along the way had your “Road to Damascus” moment or enlightenment. Now you find it most important that all the lemmings fall in behind you in your brilliant discovery. When you come up with proof of how it all began and what makes it work please share with me and I will pick up a piccolo and fall in step behind you. @Markus

@Harrison Hill
Yea as is the rest of all religion. Religion should be put to be bed asap. Teaching the Earth is only a mere 6000 years old. Expecting modern day men and women to believe in fairy tales and charge money for spreading lies, man these ignoramuses should be stoned with their own bibles.
Cheers,
Markus

The jehovahs witnesses are a joke from the top down. Mind games, manipulation, cult, destructive doctrines, playing number games with the bible scriptures, and most of all, the watchtower, the most evil magazine in the world. I challange anyone to questions me about the tqisted doctrines of the jws. I can disprove anything u have to say, and you play fast and loose with the scriptures. the tract society should be hung for their lives and mind control over millions of innocent lost people.

@tjsmiles

Actually Jehovah or Jah sucks. He or they are murderers. I think they are …….. ah je ouch! Sorry Gods! Have mercy arrgh. Too late I am doomed.

Rip,
Markus

@Ron
i thank u for stickn up for the jehovah witnesses was one but got disfellowshipped and am lookin forward to return

You want to talk about the support of pedophiles, what about the Catholic church, this is the same kind of sexual perversion that went on in bible times like Sodom and Gamorah they make their pedophiles bishops and priests instead of reporting them, they hide the facts and just move them to another place so they can ruin other lives, not to mention all the wars they support and years of oppression and the support the worlds worst people such as Hitler who millions killed what a beautiful record they have it shows they proved to a vile and sadistic brood, that god will soon wipe off the face of the earth as he has promised,GLORY BE TO JAH.

This is a bunch of bull crap and you know it. For one thing we as JW’s as you would say, do not protect anyone for such terrible things wich you have stated. For one thing god can see everything we do and say good or bad and we do not protect any pedophile no matter what! This would be breaking the laws of the land and gods laws as well, get all your facts straight man and what ever problem you have with the JWs thats between you and Jehovah, get over it you big baby.

How could you suport that criminal? What would you tell the baby when it’s grow up and having problemes because of this man?
How could I believe in Jehovah’s Withnss intensions of living by God’s rules? He tells us to punish and to be aware of Satans disipples. Yove’ve got one of the satans disipples now in your management.
Would I and more persons like me be members of an organisation like this who support the evel?
No, we don’t think so. Good luck with your babymistreateer or abuser.
Angry Jehovah’s Witness

hey men you have so much nasty things on this guys who are but very few. even if they are the devils supporters let ‘em be. i mean you cant have everybody supporting ‘God’, we must have others on the opposite end. Don’t you know the simple physics rule, for every action force there is a reaction, some balance?

@JJ
JJ, what is most sad is that as the various countries realize the widespread pedophilia and other issues and shut this organization down, they have already prepared members for this eventuality by telling them the governments of the world will turn against them as an act of persecution because they are the only people in the world who have the “truth” don’t even get me started on the self righteousness andx all the rules that are so contrary to scripture…you do have to shut off entire portions of your brain and oif you refuse to, you are branded a trouble maker or kicked out

Wow Linda. Do you know anything about the Jehovah’s Witnesses? There is simply no way to leave without severe personal sacrifice both in friends, family and even work relationships. Not only that but the severe internal psychological forces at work make it difficult to make that choice to leave. This isn’t your standard “Sunday School” church outing. This is a group who’s very lives center around one thing: Being a Jehovah’s Witness.

If you’d like to read my story and how I was able to break free from the JW’s you can do so on my website at http://www.thewatchtowerfiles.com

Respectfully,

Doug Shields
http://www.thewatchtowerfiles.com
twitter me @watchtowerfiles

To everyone who despises Otto.This man is the only thing keeping you from a Hell on earth,which I admit has to have some participation from an individual(unless a child. Read the above and other references).To put him in a class beneath your self only proves how much you deserve this punishment(not your children,(I hope they get taken away from you).Hate?That’s what a real man feels when he sees evil.I know that he probably feels like these people are just a bunch of mongoloid cretins,why should I care?But he does,because he is a real man.Now look ashamed. I think apologies are in order.

Talk about “Depraved”!!!An 18 month old baby?!?!?! That Judge must have been “Brain-Dead”..(Or one of the many Jesuits that infiltrated the “BORG” a long time ago!)What a tradjity! The WTBTS is a BAD JOKE!!!

@otto marconi
Guilty as charged. I am a part of a group who rely solely on the voluntary time of any who would give an hour here or there. Probably against your grain, it is necessary to let others know what I do. That gives me an opportunity to enlist the services of anyone regardless of their belief or non belief. We recruit when and where we can. It has nothing to do with keeping secrets about the work. Without assistance the work would not survive. Effort is made without cost to the patient to keep them comfortable and pain free. Even you would be cared for if and when the time comes. Serving others is a humanitarian thing. It just might would do you good to come out of your anger and hate and do come good for someone who needs comforting.

I got my point across to you without an offencive word or the need to humiliate you. Why don’t you try doing the same without having to use abbreviated words and the overwhelming need to hurt others? I pray for you and hope that others will do the same. That much hate will make you ill.

@otto marconi
Just what have you accomplished with the hate you keep holding? Granted you have been harmed by this religion. However, the religion had to have willing participation. Your constant railing on this website to the people who are reading and possibly searching for information is so counterproductive. Rado has spent a lot of time and effort and much expense to expose what he had once embraced. His work is so positive and you are chipping away at that effort. You are certainly not helping him.

You have every right to believe what you want to believe. I would not ever hate you for that. At the same time I have the same right to do the same. You are not making any impact with what you are currently doing. So why do it?

Just for the record, I am busy trying to do good for other people. I got involved with Hospice and help with terminally ill people. Giving comfort and companionship to these people is draining sometimes. Trying to connect with those blank stares in the last stages of alzheimer’s or dementia is tough. You could try doing some good for others. Let the hate go and replace it with something else. You will be better for it.

@linda jay

Judging from your wording in your comment it seems you are not a JW. Following this you do not even have a clue what it means to be a former JW. If you choose to leave you will be completely cut off from your former friends and family. It might not sound like much to you; try the thought of your family cutting you off and never talking to you again because of a mythical entity.

How about a religion drumming into your head that your children should not pursue a career but rather spread the word (which by the way means flogging Watchtower literature) and makes the society a heap of tax free money.

How about a society that has no qualms about former members that sold their homes, cashed in pensions for the end was near, and today have nothing.

How about a society that forbids life saving blood transfusions, because one of their nutcase scholars one day got the wrong idea about ‘partaking of blood’.

This is a society that formerly forbid life saving inoculations. (It is OK now of course, if you could please explain this to all those that have suffered/died for the lack of these inoculations).
I can go on with many more examples, but I would rather just say to you “How can you stand by and say I should shut up and move on”. Sorry no can do. Any religion is bad enough, but one that actually recruits more worker bees to make the Society richer cannot be condoned, especially when they claim other religions should be condemned for having a cake sale.

Cheers,
Markus

@linda jay
After years of offensive language and insults beyond comparison,the owner of this site found it necessary to scrub much of Otto’s correspondence. After all this Otto has resorted to abbreviations and shortened verbiage. At this juncture one must conclude that he is so addicted to this website that he CANNOT resist his warped assaults. Anyone so filled with hate and vengeance needs help. He must be so filled with rage that he cannot function in a normal day without lashing out and he has found his venue. It is too bad that he has created an atmosphere on this website that his actions have caused more trouble for the message here than good. He seems to be too far gone to realize his negative contribution is causing so much damage. After all he is not having to pay for anything. So he will continue on until the website bans him from participating. Then he will blame everyone but himself for the reasons.

What is your problem? If you think Witnesses are a cult don’t have anything to do with them. People have to actively choose to be associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If they don’t want to they leave, no pressure and no problem. But I hear again and again people crying and whining because although they no longer believe what they were taught they can’t stand it they people within the organization no longer want to associate with them. Hey guys go find new friends that share your new interest (whatever the heck they are). MOVE ON ALREADY AND TAKE YOUR SNIVELING WITH YOU PLEASE!!!

@jp
I would like to apologise to @lovelydove i think i glanced at the reply name of a comment rather than who made it, when i posted my comment, obviously you didn’t make the comment i was refering to and were one of the positive individuals in here

@JJ
I get the impression you have a vendeta against the witnesses, they always deal with these cases through the right channels, there have been errors in judgement made by individuals elders of groups of elders in the past but this is not representative of the organisations policy in these matters. You must remember that the witnesses are human and subject to the same laws of human stupidity as the rest of us, at least they try to better themselves morally while the rest of the world seems to headed the other way. The witnesses are often victims of their own trusting natures and kindness. like other organisations paedophiles often use these qualities in people to gain access to innocent children. Your views are highly unbalanced and indicate to me that you were perhaps disfellowshipped from there faith. I had a friend who used to be a witness i worked for him. At first i felt sorry for him, until he wronged me and when i confronted him about it he turned the tables showing no sighns of thinking he had done anything wrong, the verbal i put up with was disgraceful. I never met a more arrogant unkind and self centered man, no wonder they cut him off he was a real creep. to be honest your rants sound just like his!Some of the language being used by people in here is a bit creepy and worrying too i have met a few witnesses in my time and they were pleasant kind polite, i got a real sense of honesty around them. I can see through people very easily and the witnesses are the real mccoy no deception at all. There are accusations of terrorism, mass murder on this site, i say back it up with physical proof….whats that? you don’t have any?…O.k. shut up then! I can’t stand to see good people disparaged. They would never use some of the language that’s been used here, its almost satanic the way some of you are speaking. When character assassination of this sort arises, in my experience it is driven self assured misguided superiority, and people of this nature are often lacking in the ability to show remorse, and are manipulative. If you do have criticism’s to make do it in a respectful manner, you accuse them of being extreme? The hatred i sense in here is extreme! That sort of religious hate leads to violence. I hope that you all come to your senses. The kind of hate you are showing will do you no good. Hate festers, and is a disease of the human heart and will consume you. Give Jehovah’s Witnesses a break don’t hate them, hate the paedophiles and real terrorists out there, there is a regime in burma who are worthy of hatred for the innocent blood they spill. I honestly think some of you are possessed, especially @ lovely dove, your name is as ironic and pointless as the filth you are spouting. No truth in any of it or sense. Pity i was hoping to see some intelligent conversation in here, those of you who also posted positive comments in here, i wouldn’t come back to this site as i don’t think it would be healthy for anyone to see the comments the haters are making, protect your innocence and stay well clear.

Interesting addition to my research, what’s interesting for me is that I’m yet to find a locale related to this cult (and yes in my country it is defined as a cult) that hasn’t experienced serious paedophile cover-ups, usually involving one or more senior ministers. It seems to me that the very foundation of this cult breeds anti-social behaviour and sexual deviance on an alarming scale, and almost by design. Of all the cults and religions I’ve studied this is the only one I’m aware of that does so much harm both to individuals and society on such a large scale, it’s truly alarming.
I believe that everyone has the right to follow whichever religion they feel is right for them, but I also believe in a core set of fundamental morals essential to human civilisation which sadly could not be further from the morals laid down by this cult. I’ve spoken to a multitude of current and disfellowed members, and honestly, if god does exist (I like to keep an open mind) I very much doubt he would in any way endorse a group of people so manipulative and self righteous, I try to be unbiased but honestly the whole organisation disgusts me. The high levels of abuse aside, letting children die of treatable diseases, preventing family members from seeing each other on threat of being dissfellowed if they do, preaching about giving up material possessions whilst the ministers drive around in overpriced cars and own huge houses bought using money which was in many cases duped out of followers. The whole cult seems to be essentially the biggest scam in history, designed to control people and shut them off from any influences that might make them see sense, all to line the pocket of senior members.
I’ve no doubt many followers will disagree with my statements but from an unbiased view the facts can’t be denied, it’s just sad that so many people live their lives in complete ignorance and believe whatever they are told to believe, more often than not to allow them to hide from the reality of modern life or as a way of dealing with psychological issues (which under these influences often condense and lead to sexual deviation and / or other serious problems with time).
I don’t mean to offend anyone but there’s a reason that this cult is being rejected so widely and gradually being clamped down upon or made illegal by many governments.

Otto,one of my literary heroes dies,and if that wasn’t enough…well I don’t want to blow the movie.Suffice to say,all of his inspiration for his stories were not mentioned in the script.Cthulu waits, Shell,

@otto marconi
Otto,Did you know that there’s a real cult of Dagon in Cambodia?That one’s a little harder to research.Plus you have to get past all the Gary Gygax types.God bless em’.All the Role playing and modern myth making might be distracting us from one of the living pages of his fiction?!I mean most of the members of the H.P.Lovecraft Society think he drew his inspiration from known pantheons and a twisted imagination.Closer examination of his stories reveal a truer picture,and inspiration.”The Whole Wide World”,renee zellwieger,portrays his correspondance to Howard E. Carter during the Weird Tales era.Chick flick,I watch it alone,so no one can see me cryin like a baby.Oh, contrary to the opinions of modern man much information can not be found on the internet.I scour through books like a mad man,and with enough persistance i can find treasures in the most unexpected places.So if nyarlathotep visits you in your dreams tonight get in the basement,nighty night.

@otto marconi
dear Otto,many points of interest .I first started to read a bit of the book of the dead(english translation/w.hieroglyphs,title of book as well.)when i was eight.This made apparant to me the fact that Osirus was either a previous incarnation, or some group made jesus up as a direct copy.Old hat I know,but I had not read enough at the time to understand the many complexities of the tome.I also had a sneaking suspicion that the translation may be a little askew.I was much later relieved that I was backed up by others,Zecharia Sitchin,William Bramley,Theologists/w.P.H.D.’s ect.So this guys claim is to understand writings from the Kamitan point of view.I still think his sources come from yet earlier versions,but his idea(or theirs?)illustrates that god exists on another plane of existence, and then and in order to get to our plane(the what we call physical)god must separate himself into pieces to get to the next plane.And the next,so on.Well by the time he gets here there there are many pieces(or deities),but each one an extention of the one.Actually monotheistic,with tentacles.He goes on with the bastardization of his principle by the Kabbalists,the copying and misunderstanding by other religions ect.Was H.P. Lovecraft in possession of such books?And do the Dravidians have a secret temple in India?Just in case your not familiar w/Dravidians,suggested r.”passage to india” 1938?,graham hancock’s underworld 95′.Sorry most of my books are in another state so this information may be flawed.yer redneck buddy shell,