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	<title>Comments on: Jehovah&#039;s Witness elder convicted of raping teen sisters in congregation</title>
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		<title>By: forreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>forreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7579&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@chimchim &lt;/a&gt; 
Thats dumb.. all that means is when they come to church.. they will ignore them alittle... it doesnt ban them</description>
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Thats dumb.. all that means is when they come to church.. they will ignore them alittle&#8230; it doesnt ban them</p>
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		<title>By: Generic Description</title>
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		<dc:creator>Generic Description</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSHrmtr11A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
YouTube Video: The Crime of Sollicitation&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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YouTube Video: The Crime of Sollicitation</a></p>
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		<title>By: chimchim</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimchim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important point here is that this elder was disfellowshipped from the organization.  He wasn&#039;t moved to another area to prey on more innocent victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important point here is that this elder was disfellowshipped from the organization.  He wasn&#8217;t moved to another area to prey on more innocent victims.</p>
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		<title>By: WIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>WIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is truth? Would you say that it is dependant on credibility?
How credible is this truth you speak of?

If you don’t mind, I have a suggestion. Perhaps like most things in life we should examine concepts &amp; philosophies using an objective point of view, without bias with regard to all aspects of this faith to establish credibility.

What would you say regarding the story of the boy crying wolf? Are you familiar with that story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf)? It is easily apparent after several occurrences falsely crying wolf, the boy had lost credibility. Obviously I don’t think you or anyone else would disagree.
In like-manner, to determine the authenticity &amp; trustworthiness of an organization, faith or business you need to study its history, philosophy &amp; track record. A thorough examination of the aforementioned will allow us to conclude where this religion/operation stands in the arena of credibility.
George Santayana (Spanish philosopher, writer &amp; poet) is well known for not mincing words, in fact he created a very important statement which is:  &quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,&quot; from Reason in Common Sense, the first volume of his The Life of Reason.
What do we find when an honest study of the Watchtower’s history is conducted? Albeit we see that Charles Russell made honest attempts to break away from wrongful thoughts/pagan aspects of traditional old-school faiths, he borrowed a lot of doctrines from 2nd Day-Adventists, utilized pyramids &amp; spiritualism to develop doctrines/prophecies &amp; was yet another person believing (initially reluctantly) they were God’s instrument. What was the manifestation of his work? The obvious answer based on the outcome of his predictions and use of pyramids, etc was that he was incorrect.
Did this stop others such as Rutherford from continuing such work? As we all know, it did not. Rutherford was the first true President of the Watchtower Society and was the key individual to start the whole concept of an organized religion. Despite establishing an empire, he continued to develop prophecies &amp; predictions none of which came to fruition. Rutherford was also a heavy drinker (arranged smuggling alcohol into the US using the Canadian HQ during the Prohibition). The whole concept of slaving for the Lord (in truth the organization) was innovated &amp; perfected during his tenure. Just like in Russell’s days, even with all the false prophecy there were still followers. Rutherford was more than aware of this. He arranged the building of two mansions in California deeded to the old prophets as he expected them to arrive during his reign. As the video all over the Internet states regarding this (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2183288529160546808&amp;q=jehovah%27s+witnesses&amp;total=1185&amp;start=0&amp;num=10&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0): These buildings were a testament to Rutherford’s false prophecy.

All doctrines of the JW faith are based on the inceptive ideals of Russell &amp; Rutherford. Despite the Watchtower’s propensity for flip flopping on their doctrines, if you’re structure is based on a shaky foundation, just what good is it? Where is the credibility?
Should we pretend none of the chronic false prophecies exist from an organization that professes to be God’s chosen channel? What of their other infamous assertions through the years all proven falsehoods such as not using aluminum cookware &amp; Russell’s miracle wheat (lost in court for falsifying/lying)?

Quoting your comment above you wrote:    have you ever thought of maybe trying to open your own eyes and stop being so stuborn? maybe you shoulod try and listen for once ?

My question for you is simply this:
If your eyes are open, how do you not see the false prophecies of your religion?

If you are unaware of the true history of the Watchtower Society and its chronic false prophecy, are you like them in danger of repeating the same old mistakes?

Where is the truth in false prophecy? It would appear that your comment borders on cult-like mentality. Just switch your brain off and let them control your thoughts &amp; individuality, correct? Jesus never sought to convert people using false prophecy and he certainly didn’t ask his followers to lose their individuality &amp; freedom of thought.

Thank you &amp; God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is truth? Would you say that it is dependant on credibility?<br />
How credible is this truth you speak of?</p>
<p>If you don’t mind, I have a suggestion. Perhaps like most things in life we should examine concepts &amp; philosophies using an objective point of view, without bias with regard to all aspects of this faith to establish credibility.</p>
<p>What would you say regarding the story of the boy crying wolf? Are you familiar with that story (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf)?" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf)?</a> It is easily apparent after several occurrences falsely crying wolf, the boy had lost credibility. Obviously I don’t think you or anyone else would disagree.<br />
In like-manner, to determine the authenticity &amp; trustworthiness of an organization, faith or business you need to study its history, philosophy &amp; track record. A thorough examination of the aforementioned will allow us to conclude where this religion/operation stands in the arena of credibility.<br />
George Santayana (Spanish philosopher, writer &amp; poet) is well known for not mincing words, in fact he created a very important statement which is:  &#8220;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,&#8221; from Reason in Common Sense, the first volume of his The Life of Reason.<br />
What do we find when an honest study of the Watchtower’s history is conducted? Albeit we see that Charles Russell made honest attempts to break away from wrongful thoughts/pagan aspects of traditional old-school faiths, he borrowed a lot of doctrines from 2nd Day-Adventists, utilized pyramids &amp; spiritualism to develop doctrines/prophecies &amp; was yet another person believing (initially reluctantly) they were God’s instrument. What was the manifestation of his work? The obvious answer based on the outcome of his predictions and use of pyramids, etc was that he was incorrect.<br />
Did this stop others such as Rutherford from continuing such work? As we all know, it did not. Rutherford was the first true President of the Watchtower Society and was the key individual to start the whole concept of an organized religion. Despite establishing an empire, he continued to develop prophecies &amp; predictions none of which came to fruition. Rutherford was also a heavy drinker (arranged smuggling alcohol into the US using the Canadian HQ during the Prohibition). The whole concept of slaving for the Lord (in truth the organization) was innovated &amp; perfected during his tenure. Just like in Russell’s days, even with all the false prophecy there were still followers. Rutherford was more than aware of this. He arranged the building of two mansions in California deeded to the old prophets as he expected them to arrive during his reign. As the video all over the Internet states regarding this (<a href="http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2183288529160546808&amp;q=jehovah%27s+witnesses&amp;total=1185&amp;start=0&amp;num=10&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0)" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2183288529160546808&amp;q=jehovah%27s+witnesses&amp;total=1185&amp;start=0&amp;num=10&amp;so=0&amp;type=search&amp;plindex=0)</a>: These buildings were a testament to Rutherford’s false prophecy.</p>
<p>All doctrines of the JW faith are based on the inceptive ideals of Russell &amp; Rutherford. Despite the Watchtower’s propensity for flip flopping on their doctrines, if you’re structure is based on a shaky foundation, just what good is it? Where is the credibility?<br />
Should we pretend none of the chronic false prophecies exist from an organization that professes to be God’s chosen channel? What of their other infamous assertions through the years all proven falsehoods such as not using aluminum cookware &amp; Russell’s miracle wheat (lost in court for falsifying/lying)?</p>
<p>Quoting your comment above you wrote:    have you ever thought of maybe trying to open your own eyes and stop being so stuborn? maybe you shoulod try and listen for once ?</p>
<p>My question for you is simply this:<br />
If your eyes are open, how do you not see the false prophecies of your religion?</p>
<p>If you are unaware of the true history of the Watchtower Society and its chronic false prophecy, are you like them in danger of repeating the same old mistakes?</p>
<p>Where is the truth in false prophecy? It would appear that your comment borders on cult-like mentality. Just switch your brain off and let them control your thoughts &amp; individuality, correct? Jesus never sought to convert people using false prophecy and he certainly didn’t ask his followers to lose their individuality &amp; freedom of thought.</p>
<p>Thank you &amp; God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: nonoodles for you silly gouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonoodles for you silly gouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have you ever thought of maybe trying to open your own eyes and stop being so stuborn? maybe you shoulod try and listen for once ? and maybe you will understan that this is the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you ever thought of maybe trying to open your own eyes and stop being so stuborn? maybe you shoulod try and listen for once ? and maybe you will understan that this is the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please look at this link to see what God&#039;s org is up to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM

Link to NBC news</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please look at this link to see what God&#8217;s org is up to.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM</a></p>
<p>Link to NBC news</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JPWRANA,
I agree. That can not be said enough ! It is something everyone should not forget.  But unfortunately, forget all too easily....


anonymous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JPWRANA,<br />
I agree. That can not be said enough ! It is something everyone should not forget.  But unfortunately, forget all too easily&#8230;.</p>
<p>anonymous</p>
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		<title>By: pli</title>
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		<dc:creator>pli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I want to commend you for your zeal thats a wonderful quality and you certainly did alot of research which shows you are sincere.  The apostle Paul was a zealous religious man, educated, and of the highest religious order of his day, however the Lord Jesus asked him why he was persecuting him.  Just saying that one is a Christain or that ones religon is Christain doesn&#039;t make it so, but the one doing the WILL of the father is the one according to  Matt 7: 15  which warns of false prophets, and verse 21, 22 shows that they KNEW and called him LORD but Jesus said he didn&#039;t know them  Note Matt 15:9 as well.   According to Scripture the preaching work is an education on Gods Kingdom before the end comes, and the reason Christains would do it outside of love for neighbor is because it is a command from our Lord, true christains have the command to preach the good news world wide and then the end would come,   it does not say anything about converting the world nor does it say anything about separating sheep and goats but it is an identifying mark of Christs followers.  There is difinately scriptural evidence that the first century christains went door to door as outlined below:  Jesus set up this method himself as noted in Luke 4:43, Luke 8:1- Luke 9: 1-  which discusses entering into homes not just homes that would accept them as noted there and also Luke 10:1- gave instuctions on how to go and of course Act 20:20.

Matt 28:19,20 is the last command from our Lord to preach and teach and make disciples,   all of Gods servants were taught this in the first century and were told by Jesus that he would be with them all the days untill the conclusion of the system of things. This is one of at least 7 Identifying Marks of a true Christain religion , also to gain eternal life one would have to have knowledge of them all to follow them as outlined in John 17:3  which shows that it is knowledge from the Father and from Jesus that means our everlasting life and so may we all continue to make sure of all things and follow the commands and will of our Heavenly Father and Jesus who he sent forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I want to commend you for your zeal thats a wonderful quality and you certainly did alot of research which shows you are sincere.  The apostle Paul was a zealous religious man, educated, and of the highest religious order of his day, however the Lord Jesus asked him why he was persecuting him.  Just saying that one is a Christain or that ones religon is Christain doesn&#8217;t make it so, but the one doing the WILL of the father is the one according to  Matt 7: 15  which warns of false prophets, and verse 21, 22 shows that they KNEW and called him LORD but Jesus said he didn&#8217;t know them  Note Matt 15:9 as well.   According to Scripture the preaching work is an education on Gods Kingdom before the end comes, and the reason Christains would do it outside of love for neighbor is because it is a command from our Lord, true christains have the command to preach the good news world wide and then the end would come,   it does not say anything about converting the world nor does it say anything about separating sheep and goats but it is an identifying mark of Christs followers.  There is difinately scriptural evidence that the first century christains went door to door as outlined below:  Jesus set up this method himself as noted in Luke 4:43, Luke 8:1- Luke 9: 1-  which discusses entering into homes not just homes that would accept them as noted there and also Luke 10:1- gave instuctions on how to go and of course Act 20:20.</p>
<p>Matt 28:19,20 is the last command from our Lord to preach and teach and make disciples,   all of Gods servants were taught this in the first century and were told by Jesus that he would be with them all the days untill the conclusion of the system of things. This is one of at least 7 Identifying Marks of a true Christain religion , also to gain eternal life one would have to have knowledge of them all to follow them as outlined in John 17:3  which shows that it is knowledge from the Father and from Jesus that means our everlasting life and so may we all continue to make sure of all things and follow the commands and will of our Heavenly Father and Jesus who he sent forth.</p>
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		<title>By: fri</title>
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		<dc:creator>fri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John is that your mouth or your ass talking? I guess only the WT can print true information, everyone else is a liar? Jesus, are you ever brainwashed!
Since you like scriptures so much try this one (taken from your own bible) Deut 18:20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’

If the answers we all need are in the bible, as claimed by you. Why the need for all the crappy propaganda printed by the WT? Why not just read the bible alone???

As for the faithful and discreet slave well why don’t you read the information on this link http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/slave.html from your own magazines and judge for yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is that your mouth or your ass talking? I guess only the WT can print true information, everyone else is a liar? Jesus, are you ever brainwashed!<br />
Since you like scriptures so much try this one (taken from your own bible) Deut 18:20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’</p>
<p>If the answers we all need are in the bible, as claimed by you. Why the need for all the crappy propaganda printed by the WT? Why not just read the bible alone???</p>
<p>As for the faithful and discreet slave well why don’t you read the information on this link <a href="http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/slave.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/slave.html</a> from your own magazines and judge for yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Karl Jones if you don&#039;t mind me asking where did you get those websites? I&#039;ll believe those websites if in fact they are from the Watchtower org. but since they are not, sorry my friend don&#039;t believe you. This is funny why is it it&#039;s the Jehovah witness that always gets pushed around when things like this happen? I heard of a case where a woman wanted to sue the watctower org. but she did not get any money. In the other hand catholic church does give out money and lots of it just to keep them quite. Jehovah witness as you noticed in this tragic and sad incident they don&#039;t protect there followers, in the other hand other groups do protect them. Weird . . . I thought if we commit a crime we should be sent to trial and be given the right punishment. Don&#039;t you think so?  . . . just to finish off, lets see . . . seems like you know everything . . . read Matthew 24:45 its a question  . . .now tell me who it is because Jesus himself said he left someone who is it? Everyone says they have the truth ok then prove it. Answer me this question with scriptures ONLY. No books from mankind and &quot;i think&quot;, &quot;maybe&quot; type of answer. IF YOU KNOW ANSWER IT STRAIGHT FORWARD. If not then DONT ANSWER AT ALL. Thank you. May this serve you all a lesson. . . the answers you all seek are in the bible, not in blaming others and accusing who is wrong. we don&#039;t have that right or do you? Only God can judge so WHY ARE YOU JUDGING?  What we can only do is tell the person he is wrong, showing that person the scripture that says he is wrong. Then that way it is not one who is judging, it will be god that will be one to judge. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Karl Jones if you don&#8217;t mind me asking where did you get those websites? I&#8217;ll believe those websites if in fact they are from the Watchtower org. but since they are not, sorry my friend don&#8217;t believe you. This is funny why is it it&#8217;s the Jehovah witness that always gets pushed around when things like this happen? I heard of a case where a woman wanted to sue the watctower org. but she did not get any money. In the other hand catholic church does give out money and lots of it just to keep them quite. Jehovah witness as you noticed in this tragic and sad incident they don&#8217;t protect there followers, in the other hand other groups do protect them. Weird . . . I thought if we commit a crime we should be sent to trial and be given the right punishment. Don&#8217;t you think so?  . . . just to finish off, lets see . . . seems like you know everything . . . read Matthew 24:45 its a question  . . .now tell me who it is because Jesus himself said he left someone who is it? Everyone says they have the truth ok then prove it. Answer me this question with scriptures ONLY. No books from mankind and &#8220;i think&#8221;, &#8220;maybe&#8221; type of answer. IF YOU KNOW ANSWER IT STRAIGHT FORWARD. If not then DONT ANSWER AT ALL. Thank you. May this serve you all a lesson. . . the answers you all seek are in the bible, not in blaming others and accusing who is wrong. we don&#8217;t have that right or do you? Only God can judge so WHY ARE YOU JUDGING?  What we can only do is tell the person he is wrong, showing that person the scripture that says he is wrong. Then that way it is not one who is judging, it will be god that will be one to judge. . .</p>
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