First I want to commend you for your zeal thats a wonderful quality and you certainly did alot of research which shows you are sincere. The apostle Paul was a zealous religious man, educated, and of the highest religious order of his day, however the Lord Jesus asked him why he was persecuting him. Just saying that one is a Christain or that ones religon is Christain doesn’t make it so, but the one doing the WILL of the father is the one according to Matt 7: 15 which warns of false prophets, and verse 21, 22 shows that they KNEW and called him LORD but Jesus said he didn’t know them Note Matt 15:9 as well. According to Scripture the preaching work is an education on Gods Kingdom before the end comes, and the reason Christains would do it outside of love for neighbor is because it is a command from our Lord, true christains have the command to preach the good news world wide and then the end would come, it does not say anything about converting the world nor does it say anything about separating sheep and goats but it is an identifying mark of Christs followers. There is difinately scriptural evidence that the first century christains went door to door as outlined below: Jesus set up this method himself as noted in Luke 4:43, Luke 8:1- Luke 9: 1- which discusses entering into homes not just homes that would accept them as noted there and also Luke 10:1- gave instuctions on how to go and of course Act 20:20.

Matt 28:19,20 is the last command from our Lord to preach and teach and make disciples, all of Gods servants were taught this in the first century and were told by Jesus that he would be with them all the days untill the conclusion of the system of things. This is one of at least 7 Identifying Marks of a true Christain religion , also to gain eternal life one would have to have knowledge of them all to follow them as outlined in John 17:3 which shows that it is knowledge from the Father and from Jesus that means our everlasting life and so may we all continue to make sure of all things and follow the commands and will of our Heavenly Father and Jesus who he sent forth.

John is that your mouth or your ass talking? I guess only the WT can print true information, everyone else is a liar? Jesus, are you ever brainwashed!
Since you like scriptures so much try this one (taken from your own bible) Deut 18:20 “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’

If the answers we all need are in the bible, as claimed by you. Why the need for all the crappy propaganda printed by the WT? Why not just read the bible alone???

As for the faithful and discreet slave well why don’t you read the information on this link http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/slave.html from your own magazines and judge for yourself?

You are right sparky, we are not of your sort. Hypocrisy does not run in our blood.
That is right if a person is going to commit a crime who is going to stop that person, however jw’s are such good Christians congregation 3 times a week and receiving all that information from joe’hover. Aren’t they supposed to be better than the rest of us?? Why is that not the case?
Yep, too many things done in secret within the org, on top of that one needs 2 witnesses to catch those bastards. Now I ask you sparky, how are we going to catch those sun of bitches jw’s molesters with only one witness? That is why you like to be in the molesters paradise isn’t it?
As for people going to heaven what do the following scriptures say:?
Gen 5: 24 And E´noch kept walking with the [true] God. Then he was no more, for God took him.
2King 2: 11 And it came about that as they were walking along, speaking as they walked, why, look! a fiery war chariot and fiery horses, and they proceeded to make a separation between them both; and E•li´jah went ascending in the windstorm to the heavens.
Hebrews 11:5) – “By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.”
John 14: Hebrews 11:5) – “By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.” Now sparky, if they did not go to heaven where did they go?
Why do keep say that jw’s are easier targets, is it apparent they are that stupid just by looking at them?

Sparky there isn’t such a thing “True religion”, however there are true Christians. How do you know who they are? Well read the following and find out:
“WHO ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS?”

Which of the many thousands of Christian groups is authentically Christian?
This question is based on the misconception that there must be one group of true Christians separated from all other false groups. Is this what the Bible says?
The answer is given by Jesus himself in his parable of the wheat and the weeds (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43). As this parable shows, Jesus Christ sowed the “fine seed”–the sons of the kingdom (verse 38). He knew, however, that “the enemy” (the devil) would oversow “weeds”–the sons of the wicked one–in among the “wheat” in the “field”, (= the world, verse 38). But He would not allow his servants to collect the weeds, because “while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest.” (Verses 29, 30)
So what does this parable tell us about which group is the “one authentically Christian group”? It shows that there would be no such thing as one group of true Christians separated from all other groups of false Christians. There would only be true and false individual Christians. True and false Christians would all exist together in the same world of Christians, mixed like wheat and weeds in the same field.
Notice that it was at the “harvest” (= at the “conclusion of a system of things”, verse 39) that the angels–not Christ’s servants or followers–would remove the “weeds” from “the kingdom” (= the world of Christians) and gather “the wheat” into Christ’s “storehouse.” (Verses 40-43, 30)
For over seventy years the Watch Tower Society has taught that since 1919 the Jehovah’s Witnesses, under the supervision of angels, by their witnessing work have been separating the “wheat” from the “weeds”, or the “sheep” from the “goats”, to use the language of another, related parable. (Matt. 25:31-46) But in 1995, in the Watchtower of October 15, 1995, pages 22 and 23, the Society finally admitted that this application was wrong, explaining that the separating of the “sheep” from the “goats” will not take place until the judgement at Christ’s future coming! Actually, this is how most Christians have understood these parables throughout the centuries. (Cf. Jonsson/Herbst, The Sign of the Last Days – When?, Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1987, p. 228, note 35.)
This doctrinal change is yet another illustration of how transient the so-called “truth” of the Watch Tower Society often is! Few Jehovah’s Witnesses seem to have grasped the far-reaching consequences of this reinterpretation. If Jehovah’s Witnesses have not been “separating the sheep from the goats” during the past seventy years, their witnessing
activity has not been as crucial for mankind as they have taught to believe. Like other Christian groups, they have been attracting “all kinds” of people to their organization, both righteous and wicked. (Cf. the parable of the dragnet, Matt. 13:47-51.)
Not only has the Watchtower organization been collecting all kinds of people into its organization, both righteous and wiched. It has also been ousting out all kinds of people, both righteous and wicked, contrary to the warning of the Master in the parable (verse 29). It has done this, not just by disfellowshiping people for reasons that often have been very arbitrary, but also by rejecting all the other Christians outside of their organization and claiming to be the only true Christian group on earth. In this way they have ignored the command of the Master: “Let both grow together until the harvest.” For this reason alone the Watchtower organization cannot claim to be the one true and authentically Christian
group on earth today. THERE IS NO SUCH GROUP.
To “prove” that the Watchtower organization is the only true Christian organization on earth today, it claims that, “Of all those who claim to be Christian, only Jehovah’s Witnesses take the preaching of the good news seriously.” (The Watchtower, January 1, 1988, page 20) This statement primarily refers to their door-to-door activity. But does the use of this specific preaching method prove that this is the only true Christian organization, while other groups who use other methods to reach people with their message are not Christians?
The fact is that quite a number of Christian groups are growing in number, many of them even much faster than Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Watchtower publications have given its readers the impression that other Christian denominations and sects are declining in numbers, that the “waters” of “Babylon the Great” is “drying up.” (Rev. 16:12 and 17:15) But this
impression is false. Although it is true that the majority of the Christian denominations have been declining in the Western countries (and this also holds true of Jehovah’s Witnesses today in many Western countries), there has been a tremendous increase of Christians in the world as a whole in this century.
This increase has mainly occured in the third world. As explained by David D. Barrett, editor of the World Christian Encyclopedia (1982), Christianity has become the most extensive and universal religion on earth in this century. About 25,000 Christian missionaries are being sent out to various countries every year. (Only 0.4 percent of these are Jehovah’s Witnesses!) The above-mentioned encyclopedia shows that at the beginning of our century there were only 50,000 Protestants in Latin America. In 1980 there were 20 million, and that number was estimated to grow to 100 million by the year 2000. In Africa there were about 10 million Christians in 1900. In 1980’s the number had increased to over 200 million–40 percent of the population of the continent! There have been similar increases in many parts of Asia. In South Korea, for example, there were hardly any Christians at all hundred years ago. Today about 35 percent of its population are Christians.
One of the fastest growing Christian groups is the Pentecostal movement (Assemblies of God). In about the same period as the Witnesses have increased from 0 to 5 millions, the Pentecostals have grown from 0 to 420 millions! This increase has occurred in all parts of the world, also in many parts of the Western world. Of the nearly six billion people on earth
today, about one third are Christians.
Of course, as is quite obvious to every observer, not all these people can be true Christians. In fulfillment of Jesus’ parable, there is much weeds among the wheat. Jehovah’s Witnesses are no exception to this.
Practically all this increase has been accomplished, not through the door-to-door method used by Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Mormons, and some other groups, but through other methods. But is it the preaching method that makes a certain group Christian? The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever – Biblical or otherwise–to show that the first Christians were involved in some sort of door-to-door activity. That even the members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are more or less aware of this is demonstrated by Raymond Franz, a former Governing Body member, in his
well-documented work, In Search of Christian Freedom (Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1991), pages 207-236.
Another argument used by the Watchtower organization to “prove” that it is the only true Christian organization is that Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse to kill people in war. This is commendable, of course. But their standpoint is in no way unique, and this is particularly true since 1996, when the Watchtower organization decided that alternative service is acceptable.
(The Watchtower, May 1, 1996.) A number of sects and denominations are opposed to war, for example, the SDA Church, the Mennonites, the Quakers, the Christadelphians, and various Church of God groups. But more importantly, there are millions of INDIVIDUAL Christians around the world who are opposed to war and who would refuse to kill other people in war. They have taken this position, not because they have been told so by a religous authority, but because of their own decision.
Another feature often pointed to in the Watchtower publications is that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been persecuted and sometimes even been killed in some countries. This is true, of course. Perhaps the most extensive persecution of the Witnesses in the 20th century was that of the Nazi regime in Germany a generation ago, when 2,000 Witnesses were sent to concentration camps, 203 of which were executed and over 600 others died in prison due to diseases, undernourishment, and other causes. (The 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, page 212.)
But Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only group that has been persecuted in this century. Totalitarian countries have often persecuted various groups of Christians. In the former Sovjet Union most and sometimes all Christian groups were forbidden and persecuted, and periodically thousands of Christians were killed in campaigns aimed at rooting out religion. On January 27, 1996, Vladimir Naumov, chief of the Russian commission for the restoration of victims of political oppression, revealed that half a million priests had been persecuted by the Sovjet State, over 200,000 of which were killed during the Stalin epoch! That is thousand times the number of Witnesses that were executed during the Nazi regim!
Not only totalitarian Communist countries, but also totalitarian Muslim countries have persecuted Christians and forbidden their activity. Where the activity of the Witnesses is forbidden or restricted by totalitarian governments, the activity of other Christian groups are usually also forbidden or restricted, although we don’t read much about this in the Watchtower publications. In fact, more Christians have died for their faith in the 20th century than in the previous 19 centuries combined! This fact is documented in the book, In the Lion’s Den (Nashville, Tennessee: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1997), written by Nina Shea, director of the Puebla Program division of Freedom House. The persecution of Jehovah’s
Witnesses in the 20th century, therefore, is far from unique or exceptional. Today, cases of persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses are rare and exceptional, as was actually admitted in The Watchtower of December 1, 1998, page 8.
So who and where, then, are the true Christians today? Obviously the same as in every century from the time of Christ, namely, people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord, Redeemer, and Teacher, and who may be found in any kind of Christian fellowship that proves to be of help in their endevour to lead a Christian life.

why are you here if it is apostate

I gather you are not a real jw as you are posting on this website?

JEHOVAHS WITNESS SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS APOSTATE WEB-SITE . ITS BEST YOU LEAVE AND READ SOMETHING POSITIVE THE WATCHTOWER WITH YOUR BIBLE

REAL JW AVOID APOSTATE WEB SITES LIKE THIS . GET OUT THE DEMONS ARE HERE

Hell is on this earth. Can it be defeated?Will it be defeated?How will it be defeated?
We are all confronted daily by thoughts.
An action has to eventuate from thought.
We are all responsible for our actions.
Having faith and belief in an allmighty creator is a beautiful thing and something to look forwrd to at the end of ones life, as we all have independant minds we have independant faiths. conflict should not harbour through the love of God,uniting is easier said than done. Who cares about right and wrong religon but as long as peace and harmony can exist .Release thoughts of whos right and wrong and look upon ones self and actions.believe in your faith and not mock others beliefs,it is not a competion of right and wrong but individual praier to your god.Enjoy your everybreath.
Live with not want but with love.

its oscar sr. not jr.

is a satanists website or wata? coz u all sound like u’”ve heard a word before and turned against it. Rediculous.

I’m told that those who disagree with the general beliefs of the Witnesses are disfellowshipped for apostasy. And that the only way to know God is to become a Jehovah’s Witness.

True, everyone sins. Everyone is flawed. Everyone makes mistakes.

Which is why it’s so strange that JW’s equate doubts with their religion with falling away from God.

And it’s also true that Christ died for everyone, and everyone who believes in Him is saved. Not just the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

mate you kidding me who put this arshole in his position as a elder not god obviously

if satan is running the org. why would he denounce himself and promis to wipe him out forever

if satan is running the org. why would he denounce himself and promis to wipe him out forever

hello everybody,
this I got from wikipedia:

Crimen sollicitationis
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Crimen sollicitationis (translated from Latin as The Crime of Solicitation) is a secret document issued by the Holy Office of the Vatican (now named the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in 1962, instructing bishops about how to deal with cases in which priests were accused of abusing the sacrament of penance to sexually proposition penitents, thus its title. The legal procedure is also extended to priests accused of pedophilia and zoophilia, the so-called “worst crime”. The document was drawn up by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and approved by Pope John XXIII. Canon lawyers disagree about the extent to which the document is still in force.

Contents [hide]
1 Scope
2 Disclosure
3 References
4 See also
5 Further reading
6 External links

[edit] Scope
The document governs the canonical trial, a legal procedure aiming at suspending or expelling from clergy any priest, when found guilty. The document calls for such cases to be handled in secret, and extends that secrecy to the document itself. Perhaps as a result, some bishops claim not to have known of its existence. The document imposes secrecy even upon victims of sexual abuse. Extreme penalties for violations of secrecy, including excommunication that can only be dismissed by the Pope himself, are imposed.

[edit] Disclosure
A court in the United States ordered the Vatican to “produce” the document (meaning make it available to the court and the opposing party) as part of a discovery phase of a civil lawsuit against accused priest pedophiles in Texas. The court did not authorize public disclosure; nonetheless, it was leaked to the press, thereby made public.

Crimen sollicitationis first came to light in 2001 because it was referenced to in a letter written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to the Roman Catholic bishops of the world regarding new procedures for handling accusations that priests had sexually abused minors[1]. Lawyers involved in cases against the church have argued that the document is evidence of obstruction of justice.

In response, defenders of church policy have argued that the policy of secrecy extended only to canon law actions up to and including defrocking of a priest, and would not have prevented a bishop from reporting accusations of child molestation to the civil authorities. They also argue that, because the document was a secret, it is unlikely to have influenced the actions of church officials except those who knew about it.

Part of the confusion may arise from the first paragraph of Crimen sollicitationis[2][3], which appears to limit its application to cases of “temptation” of a penitent by a priest:

The crime of solicitation takes place when a priest tempts a penitent… in the act of sacramental confession, whether before or immediately after… toward impure or obscene matters.
However, Article 72 takes this much further by specifying that:

those things that have been stated concerning the crime of solicitation… are also valid, changing only those things necessary to be changed by their own nature, for the worst crime.
The term worst crime (defined in paragraph 71) refers to sexual abuse by a cleric of childs or brute animals. This has led some to conclude that the laws given in the document, including the oath of secrecy, apply to victims of priestly abuse, as well as to the accused and all other clergy adjudicating such situations under canon law.

[edit] References
^ Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (2001). Letter of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Bishop Accountability. Retrieved on 2006-10-02.
^ Full text of the Crimen Sollicitationis in the original Latin, 1.9 MB PDF
^ English translation of the Crimen Sollicitationis, 1.8 MB PDF

AND BY THE WAY, THE TOWERS OF ALL TERRORS (WATCH TOWER SOCIETY = JE-FUCKING-HOVAH WITLESSES) HAVE PARALLEL DOGMAS, PROCEDURES AND SECRETS IN HANDLING CHILD ABUSE.

See also ’sex crimes and the vatican’ on Google video, a video produced by the BBC. very very interesting, and those who know things among the jehovah’s witlesses know how mafia-like are at the Towers of All Terrors, namely the watchtower society.

Funny is’nt the word. I say hilarious is more accurate.