The Story of David Reed
I WAS A JW ELDER
An interview with former Jehovah's Witnesses David and Penni
Reed
(Investigator No. 10 1990 January)
How long were you both associated with the Jehovah's
Witnesses?
DAVID: "I was in the organization for thirteen years,
from 1969 until 1982. During that time I served as a full-time 'pioneer'
minister for two years and as an elder for eight years. Besides
teaching in our home congregation, I was a frequent speaker at Kingdom
Halls throughout eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island."
PENNI: "My parents got involved when I was in grade
school, so I was raised as a Witness. I, too 'pioneered' for a few
years."
So, it sounds as though you were quite serious
about it.
DAVID: "Absolutely! Like other Witnesses, we called
it 'the Truth'. We really believed that the Watchtower Society was
'God's organization'."
PENNI: "Between the two of us, we conducted 'home
Bible studies' with dozens of people, and we brought well over twenty
of them into the organization as baptized Jehovah's Witnesses."
DAVID: "We also put the Society's teachings into practice
in our personal lives. For example, we kept our secular employment
to a minimum and lived in an inexpensive three-room apartment in
order to be able to devote more time, to the door-to-door preaching
activity."
PENNI: "And David's mouth still has spaces where he
had the dentist pull teeth rather than do expensive dental work-because
he believed the Society's prophecy that Armageddon would come in
1975 or shortly thereafter. Witnesses expected Paradise to be restored
on earth, and their bodies to be returned to perfect physical condition
after 1975."
But you seem to be intelligent people. How could
you fall for such things?
DAVID: "Well, Penni majored in psychology and sociology
at the University of Western Michigan, and I studied at Harvard
on a National Merit Scholarship. So, we weren't stupid. But, we
were totally ignorant of the Bible. Besides, the Jehovah's Witness
program of indoctrination is so cleverly put together that it appeals
to intelligent people. Watchtower books start out teaching things
that most everyone would agree with, and then gradually introduce
the more eccentric doctrines. It's a very subtle form of brainwashing."
PENNI "Yes, once you are fully involved, you will
do virtually anything the organization tells you to do. A Witness
sent us a tape from their summer, 1985, District Convention, where
the speaker said, '.we should be working under the direction of
the Governing Body and the older men in our congregations. And if
one of those instructions were for us to jump, our only response
should be "How high?" and "How far?"'"
What broke the spell and enabled you to leave the
organization?
DAVID: "Bible reading! The Scripture is true that
says, 'the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than
any two-edged sword'." (Hebrews 4:12 New King James)
PENNI: "We were at a Witness convention, and. a handful
of opposers were picketing outside. One of them carried a sign that
said, 'READ THE BIBLE, NOT THE WATCHTOWER'. We had no sympathy for
the picketers, but we did feel convicted by this sign, because we
knew that we had been reading the Watchtower to the exclusion of
reading the Bible."
DAVID: "Later on, we actually counted up all of the
material that the organization expected Witnesses to read. The books,
magazines, lessons, etc. added up to over three thousand pages each
year, compared with less than two hundred pages of Bible reading
assigned - and most of that was in the Old Testament. The majority
of Witnesses were so bogged down by the three thousand pages of
the Society's literature that they never got around to doing the
Bible reading."
PENNI: "After seeing the picket sign, I told David
that we should be reading the Bible and the Watchtower. He
agreed; so we began doing regular personal Bible reading."
What did you find in the Bible that changed your
thinking?
DAVID: "In one word, it was Jesus. Not that we began
to question the Watchtower's teaching that Christ was just Michael
the archangel in human flesh-we had not yet begun to question that.
But we were rally impressed with Jesus as a person: what He said
and did, how He treated people. We wanted to be His followers."
PENNI: "Especially, we were struck with how Jesus
responded to the hypocritical religious leaders of the day, the
Scribes and Pharisees."
DAVID: "Yes. And I began to realize that in fulfilling
my role as an elder, I was acting more like a Pharisee than like
a follower of Jesus. For example, the elders were the enforcers
of all sorts of petty rules about dress and grooming. We told sisters
how long they could wear their dresses, and we told brothers how
to comb their hair, how to trim their sideburns and what styles
of clothing they could or could not wear. We actually told people
that they could not please God unless they conformed. It reminded
me of the Pharisees who condemned Jesus' disciples for eating with
unwashed hands." (Matthew 15:1-9)
PENNI: "When David stopped wearing an approved 'theocratic
haircut', the other elders were upset. But, when I showed up at
Kingdom Hall in a pantsuit, they were furious!"
DAVID: "They actually put me on trial, called in witnesses
to testify, and spent hours discussing half an inch of hair.
"But dress and grooming were not the real issues.
For us it was a question of whose disciples we were. Were we followers
of Jesus, or obedient servants to a human hierarchy?"
PENNI: "And the elders who put David on trial knew
that that was the real issue, too. They kept asking, 'Do you believe
that the Watchtower Society is God's organization? Do you believe
that the Society speaks as Jehovah's mouthpiece?'"
How did you answer the elders?
DAVID: "I said, 'Yes!', because at the time we still
did believe it was God's organization-but that it had become corrupt,
like the Jewish religious system at the time when Jesus was opposed
by the Pharisees."
PENNI: "It was what we said at the congregation meetings
that got us into trouble, though."
DAVID: "Yes, I was still an elder. So, when I was
assigned to give a 15-minute talk on the book of Zechariah at the
Thursday night 'Theocratic Ministry School' meeting, I took advantage
of the opportunity to encourage the audience to read the Bible.
In fact, I told them that, if their time was limited and they had
to choose between reading the Bible and reading The Watchtower,
they should choose the Bible, because it was inspired by God
while The Watchtower was not inspired and often taught errors
that had to be corrected later."
PENNI: "That was the last time they allowed David
to give a talk. But we could still speak from our seats during question-and-answer
periods at the meetings."
DAVID: "Everyone was expected to answer in their own
words, but not in their own thoughts. You were supposed to give
the thought found in the paragraph of the lesson being discussed."
PENNI: "But, after we said a few things they didn't
like, they stopped giving us the microphone."
Were they able to silence you?
DAVID: "No. That's when we started publishing our
newsletter Comments from the Friends. I wrote articles
questioning what the organization was teaching, and signed them
with the pen name 'Bill Tyndale, Jr.'-a reference to sixteenth century
English Bible translator, William Tyndale, who was burned at the
stake for what he wrote."
PENNI: "We drove across the state line at night-to
avoid a local postmark-and mailed the articles in unmarked envelopes
to local Witnesses and also to hundreds of Kingdom Halls all across
the country, whose addresses we copied from telephone books at the
town library."
What did you say in the newsletter?
DAVID: "Well, we were only just beginning to question
Watchtower doctrines. The big issue for us then was that the organization
bad elevated itself above Scripture. For example, I decided to start
writing after the December 1, 1981, Watchtower said:
'Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization...
Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God
is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter
how much Bible reading we do.' (p.27, ¶4)
"It really disturbed me to see those men elevate themselves
above the Bible."
PENNI: "On the same page, The Watchtower also
said that the organization never went back to 'previous points of
view' (¶2). But we had seen them do that very thing. Back in
1974 they abandoned the view that J.W.'s should not say 'Hello'
to disfellowshiped Witnesses. For the next seven years they taught
that it was all right to talk to them. And then, in the September
15, 1981, Watchtower, they returned to the old view and again
prohibited saying 'Hello'. David wrote about that, too."
Why didn't you just quit the Jehovah's Witnesses
and go somewhere else? Why did you stick around?
DAVID: "To us, it was similar to the question of what
to do in a burning apartment building. Do you escape through the
nearest exit? Or, do you pound on doors first, to wake the neighbors
and help them escape, too? We felt an obligation to help others
get out - especially our families and our 'students' that we had
brought into the organization. If we had just walked out, our families
left behind would have been forbidden to associate with us."
Did the elders find out that 'Bill Tyndale, Jr.'
was really David Read?
DAVID: "Yes. After a few weeks my best friend turned
me in. Then, one night when Penni and I were returning home from
conducting a Bible study, two elders stepped out of a parked car,
accosted us in the street, and questioned us about the newsletter."
PENNI: "They wanted to put us on trial for publishing
it, but we simply stopped going to the Kingdom Hall. By that time
most of our former friends there had become quite hostile toward
us. One young man called on the phone and threatened to 'come over
and take care of' David if he got another one of our newsletters.
And another Witness left a couple of death threats on our answering
machine."
DAVID: "The elders went ahead and tried us in absentia
and disfellowshiped us.
How did you feel when you found yourselves outside
the organization after all those years as Witnesses?
PENNI: "It was a great relief to be out from under
the oppressive yoke of those men."
DAVID: "However, we also had to face the immediate
challenge of where to go and what to believe. It takes come time
to re-think your entire religious outlook on life. Before leaving
the Watchtower, we had rejected their claims that the organization
was God's 'channel of communication', that Christ returned invisibly
in the year 1914, and that the 'great crowd' of believers since
1935 should not partake of the communion loaf and cup. But, we were
only beginning to re-examine other doctrines. And we had not yet
come into fellowship with Christians outside the J.W. organization."
How did you cope with the questions of what to
believe now, and what religious community to fellowship with?
PENNI: "We knew that we wanted to follow Jesus and
that the Bible contained all that we needed to know. So, we really
devoted ourselves to reading the Bible, and to prayer."
DAVID: "And we invited our families and friends to
meet in our apartment on Sunday mornings. While the Witnesses met
at Kingdom Hall to hear a lecture and study the Watchtower, we met
to read the Bible. As many as fifteen attended-mostly family, but
some friends also.
"We were just amazed at what we found as we prayerfully
read the New Testament over and over again-things that we had never
appreciated before, like the closeness that the early disciples
had with the risen Jesus, the activity of the Holy Spirit in the
early church, and Jesus' words about being 'born again' in John,
chapter 3."
Hadn't you studied those things as Jehovah's Witnesses?
PENNI: "No. The Watchtower took us on a guided tour
through the Bible. We gained a lot of knowledge about the Old Testament
and we could quote a lot of Scriptures, but we never heard the Gospel
of salvation in Christ. We never learned to depend on Jesus for
our salvation and to look to Him personally as our Lord. Everything
centered around the Watchtower's works program, and you had to come
to Jehovah God through the organization."
DAVID: "When I realized from reading Romans, chapter
8, and John chapter 3, that I needed to be 'born of the spirit',
I was afraid at first. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that 'born again'
people, who claim to have the Holy Spirit, am actually possessed
by demons. And so I feared that if I prayed out loud to turn my
life over to Jesus Christ, some demon might be listening; and the
demon might jump in and possess me, pretending to be the Holy Spirit."
PENNI: "Many Jehovah's Witnesses live in constant
fear of the demons. Some of our friends would even throw out furniture
and clothing, fearing that the demons could enter their homes through
those articles."
What freed you from that fear?
DAVID: "I read Jesus' words at Luke11:9-13. In a context
where He was teaching about prayer and casting out unclean spirits,
Jesus said: 'And I say to you, ask and it will be given to you;
seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For
everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who
knocks it will be opened. If a son asks for bread from any of you
who is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish,
will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he asks for
an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know
how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your
heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!' (NKJ)
"I knew, after reading those words, that I could safely
ask for Christ's Spirit (Rom. 8:9), without fearing that I would
receive a demon. So, in the early morning privacy of our kitchen,
I proceeded to confess my need for salvation and commit my life
to Christ."
Praise God! So, His Word proved to be more powerful
than the years of cultic indoctrination.
DAVID: "Yes, 'the word of God is living and powerful',
as Hebrews 4:12 says.
"About a half hour later, I was on my way to work
and I was about to pray again. It had been my custom for many years
to start out my prayers by saying, 'Jehoyah God,...' But this time
when I opened my mouth to pray, I started out by saying, 'Father,...'
It was not because I had reasoned on the subject and reached the
conclusion that I should address God differently; the word Father
just came out, without my even thinking about it. Immediately, I
understood why: 'God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your
hearts crying out, "Abba, Father"' (Galatians 4:6) I wept
with joy at God's confirmation of this new, more intimate relationship
with Him/"
And what about you, Penni?
PENNI: "When I publicly declared that I chose to know
Jesus instead of the Watchtower-and that He was my Savior, rather
than the organization-then I, too, was 'born again'."
Were you having fellowship with Christians at that
time?
DAVID: "Not yet. But we soon developed the desire
to worship and praise the Lord in a congregation of believers, and
to benefit from the wisdom of mature Christians. Since the small
group of ex-J.W.'s was still meeting in our apartment on Sunday
mornings for Bible reading, and most of them were not yet ready
to venture into a church, Penni and I began visiting churches that
had evening services."
PENNI: "One church we attended was so legalistic that
we almost felt as though we were back in the Kingdom Hall. Another
was so liberal that the sermon always seemed to be on philosophy
or politics-instead of Jesus.
"Finally, though, the Lord led us to a congregation
where we felt comfortable and where the focus was on Jesus Christ
and His Gospel, rather than on side issues."
Were you discouraged by the various problems you
observed in the churches you visited?
DAVID: "Somewhat. But it was a learning experience.
Looking back now, we am glad that we had the opportunity to visit
so many different churches, because we got to see, first hand, why
Paul had to write such strong counsel to the Corinthians and to
the other congregations he addressed his Epistles to."
PENNI: "And the messages that Jesus commissioned John
to write to the seven churches in Revelation, chapters 2 and 3,
became very real to us. We could see that similar problems exist
in the churches today."
DAVID: "Yes. Jesus foretold that there would be 'weeds'
among the 'wheat' (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43), and some churches are
really overgrown with weeds. More often, though, it is just a case
of individual Christians being at various stages of growth-from
'babes in Christ' to mature disciples. And real growth does
take place in the churches, not just the phony spirituality found
in the Watchtower organization and other cults. Even the church
that we finally settled into has its problems-what congregation
doesn't? But, reading Romans, chapter 14, helped us to understand
the situation in the body of Christ and to accept all of our brothers
and sisters in the Lord."
What are you doing now?
PENNI: "I'm teaching Fifth Grade in a Christian school
that has students from about seventeen different churches. I really
enjoy it, because I can tie-in the Scriptures with all sorts of
subjects."
DAVID: "And I resumed publishing Comments from
the Friends as a quarterly newsletter aimed at reaching Jehovah's
Witnesses with the Gospel, and helping Christians who are talking
to J.W.'s. It also contains articles of special interest to ex-Witnesses.
We have readers in a dozen foreign countries, as well as all across
the United States and Canada.
"Besides writing on the subject, I speak occasionally
to church groups interested in learning how to answer Jehovah's
Witnesses so as to lead them to Christ.
"And we provide a weekly phone-in recorded message
for Jehovah's WItnesses. Twenty-four hours a day, J.W.'s can call
617-584-4467 and hear a brief message directing them to the Bible
and helping them to disprove Watchtower teachings. Some Witnesses
even call during the middle of the night, so that family members
will not observe and report them to the elders. So far, we have
received over 5,500 calls. At the end of each message the caller
is invited to leave his or her name and address, to receive free
literature in the mail-and many do."
Since you yourselves have come out of the Watchtower
and have visited many churches, where would you tell new ex-Witnesses
to go?
PENNI: "They should go to Jesus. He will guide them
into fellowship with others, if they trust in Him first."
DAVID: "But that may be difficult for them to grasp
because to Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus is Michael the archangel who
became a man, died, and is now an angel again. They locate Christ
on their organizational chart in an executive position somewhere
above the elders, circuit overseers, district overseers, and governing
body. They see Him as so far away that individual Witnesses never
expect to have any direct dealings with Jesus-just through the long
chain of command found in their organization.
"Overcoming that misconception is the most important
lesson we've learned since leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus
is not just a historical figure that we read about in the Bible.
He is alive and is actively involved with Christians today, just
as He was back in the first century. He personally saves us, teaches
us, and leads us.
"While a J.W. may quit going to Kingdom Hall and start
attending church, and may stop believing Watchtower doctrines and
start learning Christian doctrine, none of those things, in themselves,
will save him. The essential thing is to put faith in Jesus Christ
and follow Him."
But, don't Jehovah's Witnesses already claim to
believe in Christ?
PENNI: "Yes they do. But they also believe that they
have to 'come to Jehovah's organization for salvation'. [The
Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1981, p. 21, ¶18] So, the organization
is really viewed as their savior. And they give unquestioning obedience
to the Watchtower Society. So, the organization is their master,
or lord."
DAVID: "It's like the case of those people in the
first century who claimed to believe in Christ, but also thought
that they had to keep the Law of Moses in order to be saved."
PENNI: "Only, the Witnesses are in an even worse position,
because the Watchtower's 'law' keeps changing at the whim of the
men who run the organization."
DAVID: "When such false teachers crept into the Galatian
congregation, Paul wrote: 'If righteousness comes by the law, then
Christ died in vain. O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you.?'
And, 'I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called
you in the grace of Christ, to a different Gospel.' (Gal. 2:21;
3:1; 1:6 New King James)
"The different 'gospel' that Jehovah's Witnesses preach
centers around the thought that Jesus Christ [who they believe to
be Michael the archangel] returned invisibly in the year 1914 and
set up the Kingdom of God in the hands of the Watchtower Society,
opening the way for men to gain everlasting life on earth through
their obedience to the organization.
"The thrust of our outreach ministry is to help Jehovah's
Witnesses break free from this deception and put faith in the original
Gospel of Christ as it is presented in the Bible."
Have you met with much success?
DAVID: "Oh, yes. There are many who have read our
literature and left the Watchtower organization as a result. And
we've had the joy of seeing quite a number of those we have corresponded
with or spoken with become real disciples of Jesus Christ.
"Of course, only the Lord knows where most of our
literature goes after it leaves our hands, and He knows how people
who read it respond. But, we keep getting letters of appreciation
from readers as far away as Poland and Malaysia."
PENNI: "Stopping people from joining the Watchtower
is important, too. The organization is baptizing nearly 200,000
new converts each year. So, even if only a portion of our literature
ends up in the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, the rest
of it helps other people to avoid failing into the Watchtower's
trap."
What can Christians do to help?
DAVID: "Education is really important, so that believers
will be able to 'rightly handle the word of truth' (2 Tim. 2:15)
when confronted with cultic arguments. Jehovah's Witnesses practice
many hours each month, preparing to quote Scripture and to speak
persuasively in support of their organization. Christians need to
be prepared to say more than just 'I'm not interested!', when Jehovah's
Witnesses come to the door.
"The Apostles Paul and John devoted significant portions
of their inspired writings to answering false teachers who were
already, in that day, starting to promote pseudo-Christian sects.
So, Christians today should show similar concern for defending the
faith and winning the souls of people who am misled."
PENNI: "We meet so many parents whose college-age
children have begun studying with the Witnesses. They are desperate
to stop them before they get 'hooked', but they don't know what
to say. Parents often realize the seriousness of the situation after
it's too late, when the brainwashing has already begun to take hold
on the young person's mind."
What sort of education will protect families and
individuals against the cults?
DAVID: "Basic knowledge of the Bible-especially the
New Testament's Gospel message is essential. The person who is first
introduced to the Bible by a cult recruiter will be easy prey. And
Christians should also have at least a rudimentary knowledge of
what the cults teach, and why they are wrong. That way the clever
arguments that they use will not catch a person off guard."
PENNI: "And, of course, the most important thing is
a close personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ.
The individual who knows Jesus and follows Him will not even think
about following anyone else: 'A stranger they will not follow, but
they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers...
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and
no one shall snatch them out of my hand.'"
(John 10:5,27,28 RSV)
(c) 1986
Comments from the Friends
P.O. Box 840, Stoughton, MA 02072

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