@Markus
Its funny you signed that as “God” when it was written by an athiest, “Yourself” I also find it rather bizzar that for someone who doesnt truly believe in god, to use his name in the same passage over and over. Why do you even refer to him as God? He doesnt exsist to you right? Your blaming the God that gave you the very breath you use to curse him…. Jesus said he didnt come into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. His teachings are love and all those tragedies that you speak of are caused by us, they are self inflicted tragedies. If God controlled the world, we would all be perfect. he gave us the ability to choose between life and death and you have that choice as well. Please dont blame God for all the wrong in the world. Your words are more than words, it is an obvious sign that you have already chosen Satans side…the one that hates you and wants to destroy you. Jesus loves you dont forget that.

@Jonathan
God gave us nothing you pillock. We are advanced primates and this is what we do. That bible of your is written by the same primates.
Cheers,
Markus

@Jonathan doe
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and LOVE and a sound mind.

@norman
Thats real good… use fear to scare your lies into us . Your forgetting what else jesus said….or will you cherry pick the false NWT and choose certain scriptures and forget the rest??????? Theres more……lots more so read on. dont stop at one scripture. It will become more clear as you read on…but be careful they will disfellowship you for using your own mind which is called “independent thinking” Dont go against the watchtower or you’ll be damned. wake up ! Its about Jesus the one who died for your sins. Enough of following mans religion. Open the only true word of God which is the first bible ever brought into english KJV and read the truth of God. Dont take mans word for it and dont allow anyone to disfellowship you because Jesus loves and forgives and there is not one person without sin so how can they cast the stone?

witnesses of jehova, I am now 40 years old and 12 years ago i recieved jesus as my lord and Savior. I humbly state that i am a christian. I would say through the guidance of the blessed holy spirit, that Jesus is everything. It is written that with much study is much sorrow. Truthfully i tell you that i have studied and i do have sorrow. All religions want to have a pre-eminence . There is a part of jesus in all of them. We all know there is only one jesus and he gave us one gospel. Let us follow Jesus as he told us to. No more denominations, no more past hatred, ;et us all be as one in jesus whom God sent (John 3:16) When you read this, be not bitter for i do not speak to you in bitterness. You will all be in my prayers and i hope i am in yours in love. In Jesus name, God bless you all.

John, I think you’ve made quite a few good points. In fact didn’t Jesus used to hang out with the prostitutes and tax collectors? Also didn’t exclusivity attitudes lead to millions dying in concentration camps? And what happened to forgive up to 77 times? Maybe elders are just perverted saddos on a power trip. They really get off on asking personal questions. They probably have a wank about it later ;-P We should forgive THEM!
@john dow

seems the one who needs to wake up here is you. why all this talk about the way they believe???? Who cares about the way JW believe or babtist or catholics…….it all doesnt matter ! what matters is the words of God himself. The disfellowshipping is not something God would do…Jesus would not disfellowship anyone. He would love them and forgive them….you knwo what? He who is without sin cast the first stone. I see exactly what they are doing with open eyes. They try to make people pay for their sins when Jesus already died for those sins ! No one on this earth and i dont care who they are have the right to disfellowship you ! Jesus has all the power in heaven and in earth as it was given to him by God. You should have loved that brother at the door holding that camera NOT INFORMING HIM OF WHAT AN OUTCAST HE IS. How blind can you be?????? That is not love…….its an OCCULT. wake up and see it for what it is.

what makes you think these 2 men at the door are different than anyone else????? They are not the judge, God is ! They didnt die for that mans sins, Jesus did ! wake up poeople…I dont serve your watchtower or anything that has to do with it. You can contionue to believe your part of the 144 thousand and everyone else is gonna live in a little bubble on earth. Its rediculous. None of it is Biblical. Regarding the 2 men at that mans door, They can say whatever they want but i guarantee you they are not that mans judge. They can pretend they have power but they have no power for all power was given unto Jesus in heaven and in earth ! They can prance around like they are God on a throne and all the while they are like the 2 men the bible speaks of…..if the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch ! wake up and stop serving a religion and find the real God thats in the real KJV word of God.

You should be ashamed of yourself all of you ! Even Jesus himself would not disfellowship anyone and you people would do that to your own mother if she went against your precious watchtower. You would disfellowship your own son or daughter ~! Are you above jesus Christ himself?? Jesus wouldnt do that but your religion cult does….you should all be ashamed of yourselves and i have news for you, those 2 men at the door were exactly that, JUST 2 MEN …they have no more of the holy spirit than anyone else who believes in God and Jesus Christ and Jesus words are he who is without sin cast the first stone. You are not perfect, and have no right to disfellowship anyone. I dare you JW’s to come to my door because i wont back down from your cultious garbage. You will never be right when it comes to this. Jesus will have the last word and i guarantee you it will be in LOVE not disfellowship.

wrote a really long reply but it didnt go up. how annoying! get back to you later god!maybe ill just say it in my head-you can hear that right?
@Markus

@neez

I still find it amazing you worship me. After I inspire the writers of the Bible to say the Earth is flat, I kill one small child every 20 minutes or so, every day every week, every month, every year using a remarkable little female mosquitoe I created. And why should I not?? For am I not a loving, all powerful, all knowing God? Tut, sorry but I just can’t help seeing people suffer.
Have you not heard one of my Generals, the Pope, who has publicaly said that condoms will increase the AIDS epidemic and he, of course is inspired by me, I find it remarkable that you have stuck by your guns in all adversity and still worship me.
There is a warm place for you in heaven that awaits you after I take your life, I will not allow you to suffer at all, stomach and colon cancer I will put upon other unbelievers so they can suffer the consequences of being born in sin.

Warm Regards,
God

@Markus
I really liked this comment made me laugh, feel bad for you that you cant believe in god (not jehovah) anymore though. I am ex jw but have had true real god experiences (more in the eastern oneness kind than traditional christianity) when I actually left the sect funnily enough. I had my mind opened. dont write it off!

that was a excellent scripture because you can tell the man at the door was teaching something else and was against the truth, trying to put together a documentary. They most likely tried to contact him and he was unresponsive so they showed up at his door. These brothers are guided by holy spirit but that doesn’t mean there perfect so an appeal to there decision is granted if you think there in the wrong. I believe the brothers were in the right though, just by looking at this short video.

Red :I have been a JW all my life and have seem people come and go. Some leave for reasons where they actually commited a sin against god and some left for selfish reasons where they had a conflict with another witness or the like. Disfellowshipping was practiced by the first century christians. Its documented. I will agree that the actions and treatment of such disfellowshipped ones is not ethical or right but there must be balance.
If one has commited a sin of high caliber against god and is unrepentent he should be allowed to worship with others and possibly hurt or turn fellow believers. But there is balance needed. say hello be polite. But dont treat them like crap. There needs to be change but there are so many GOOD things about JW’s. They are clean good people. There are bad seeds. No one is perfect. Its a sick world. But dont lump all JW’s into a ball of filth. I have been hurt in the past by former witnesses. But that hasn’t changed my mind about god. Or my views that JW’s still TRY and practice what is right. I’m sorry if any o you were hurt by them or have bad experiences. But dont be hateful. Then your no better than Hitler.

Please if you’re going to write the word God put a big G. god as you write it could be false gods such as the sun or moon or anything else. Thank you

ISN’T IT A GOOD THING WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE HE ARE PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN QUILTY AND HAVE A RIGHT NOT A PRIVLEDGE TO DEFEND OURSELVES. JEHOVAH COURT IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE HIGHEST COURT AND YET THE ELDERS CONDUCT IT AS “KANGAROO COURT”. A MOCHERY TO THE MOST HIGH. HOW SAD THE WORLDY COURT SHOWS JUSTICE, MERCY AND KINDNESS. I TOO WAS TO GO TO A JUDICIAL HEARING AND THE ELDER LEFT A MESSAGE WITH MY 12 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER THAT THERE WAS A MEETING. WHAT KIND OF JOKE IS THAT. THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER, THE MAIL SHOULD OF BEEN REGISTERED AND OR DELIVERED. MY DAUGHTER BEING ONLY 12 DIDN’T TELL ME UNTIL A WEEK LATER AND THEN I FOUND OUT I WAS DISFELLOWSHIPED, WHAT A JOKE. THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO BE AT THEIR HEARING BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR MIND UP TO GET RID OF YOU. DON’T THEY REALIZE THEY ARE DEALING WITH JEHOVAH’S SHEEP. SHAME ON THEM.

@Renee
With all due respect Renee, you have no idea what you are talking about and are clearly NOT a JW (and if you are, you must be one of the blindly-loyal sheep). My family was stalked and surveilled in a very non-discreet manner (following our family in a car, sitting in a parked car on our street) by elders when they suspected that we had “strayed,” so this man I’m sure knew what was going on even if he hadn’t received their letters. If you knew anything about the process, you would see that the interaction in the video is so very typical.

This seems very appropriate. They gave you scriptural basis, the option to appeal and the info needed if you want to be apart of the congregation again.

I’m DF’d and it’s been a trying experience, but I see no problem with how this was handled. You obviously ignored their attempts to contact you via mail. Maybe they should have sent it certified?

So, say you were part of a club that had certain requirements for membership. You made lots of new friends and enjoyed the social aspects. But you no longer qualified to be a member. Your membership was revoked and now other club members are not allowed to discuss club topics with you. What might you do in that case?

I’d go join another club or start my own(if I really cared that much about it). Or you could make the needed adjustments to qualify to be a member again. But clearly, that’s not what you want.

@Scott

Er no sorry Scott close, but no cigar, I appreciate the thought, however, I am now an avid Bible scholar, and because of this things have become apparent and I am an now an active Atheist. As has been said before, I would like to go heaven for the scenery, but would prefer Hell for the company.
No Scott I do not believe in god as described in the New and old Testaments, in fact if He is as described in the said texts I despise him.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus Good for you, I’m happy to hear that you were able to break free from that cult and I am sure that not only will you live a fuller and more meaningful life – but you will also have a close relationship with God as well.

@Scott
Good points Scott. I call the JW mentality the fish tank mentality. They are in this tank and it is all they condider to be a reality. Myself being an EX JW when I initailly left the cult I did indeed feel like a fish out of water. After a while though, I looked at this fish tank and compared it with the broad picture of life and getting to live it. The best thing I ever did was to get out of that tank.
Cheers,
Markus

Active in the Christian Congregationalist church in Pennsylvania, Charles T. Russell broke off and formed an independent congregation in 1880. Russell wrote and lectured on Biblical prophesy, preaching that the return of the invisible spirit of Jesus Christ happened in 1874. Russell believed that Jesus would rule for 1,000 years, and that all people (living and dead) would eventually be divinely judged. Russell began publishing his journal, The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence, in 1879, and in 1884 he formed The Watch Tower Bible And Tract Society. He traveled internationally and relocated to Brooklyn, New York, earning followers across the globe. Russell did not claim divinity himself, nor did he declare any special revelations, but he did have a strict interpretation of the Bible and his leadership caused some to call him a messenger chosen by God. After his death his followers split, with some following Judge Joseph F. Rutherford, who coined the term “Jehovah’s Witnesses” in the 1930s. Today the religion claims 6,000,000 members worldwide.

Considering JW’s have only been around since 1880 and was formed by some looney, I honestly can’t take your Cult very serious. I would say he probably had received the letters and I am also sure that he didn’t care about detaching from said such cult – considering all JW’s forbid you to have family, friends outside of their cult cave and forbid life sustaining blood transfusions as well!!! Hmm I wonder what a JW would do if they saw a child was struck by a car and knew that child would need a blood transfusion to save their life – hmmm? I think you would allow that child to die there in the streets as everyone watched you as if it was your own hands that killed that child – to me that is cold bloodied murder. Explain that to me? You can’t and all you have done is Plagiaris the bible to fit your needs as a cult!!!

Looks like your “documentary” backfired, as is typical of baseless mudslingers. It showcased the controlled and honest approach made to you and your mocking, lying retorts.

Clearly this video is designed to make these brothers out to be bafoons. I find them very humble and doing what the scriptures outly as the proper procedure of handling this disfellowshipment. How do we know he didnt recieve this letter. Clearly he was expecting their visit, and he arranged for this so called documentery. I think he was well aware. He is not humble himself, he is trying to justify his actions or alleviate the seriousness of his sins. Some of us have been making excuses for our behaviour by shifting our blame onto the “organization”. We all have carry our own burdens and remain silent in the face of our “percieved” wrongs that we feel have been perpretrated on us by the “org.”, or by the brothers. I am merely trying to set the record right here. I to at one time felt the need to desparage the organazation. I was wrong and am making steps toward my own reinstatement. I am trying to remind others that there has been a clear and denunciated attempt to spread clever lies and well thought out schemes that has at its core or aim to dismantle our faith in Jehovah.

Why do people see or read things and automatically assume they are true with out investigating? This video could have been staged by anyone. There is no proof the two so called witnesses at the door are really witnesses they could be acting. In either case If it were the real deal the man being disfellowshipped clearly is lying. If he never recieved a letter about the situation how did he know to have his video camera and his questions ready in advance? How stupid. The bible is clear that the leaders of the church are to keep the congregation clean. They are to remove” unrepentant” wrong doers from amongst the congregation to protect them. This goes for all christianity. This being only after counsel and it is clear they are unwilling to repent of the serious wrong doing. Why would anyone think that is cruel when its clearly Gods command?

@salalla

salalla :You people are all stupid fools. There are so many religions in the world and you all have no right to judge other’s religions. What is your problem? If you dont like it no one is forcing you to be a member or whatever. Just show some respect for people’s religions and talk like disciplined people. All those bad words were uncalled for. Am sure those who join this religion are not forced. Its their own choice, so stop being a kid about it. smh

Respectfully, you don’t know what you are talking about. People that join JW are tricked in to joining and then cut off from practiclaly all non – JW association. They are isolated from the normal world.

We have a responsibility to judge and find guilty of heresy any religion that calls itself biblical but does not live by bible standards. The have “respect” for all religions is to have no respect for the bible. There was only one religion in Noah’s day, Israel’s day, Jesus’ day and can only be one today. All others are false. That is.. if any of them are true.

Dear People who may have stumbled across this video. I may be wrong, but the person who was disfellowshipped, made no defence for himself and or did in anyway try to explain his situation to the Elders. He rather chose to debate and blatantly try to gain sympathy from those that are not informed of the “Judicial Process”.

I take note of comments above that Jesus quoted to variuos Apostles and so in regards to scriptures. This is only partly TRUE. It is also quoted that if a brother or sister is unrepentant, let them come back to their senses, so as that we may gain them as family members once more. Having been disfellowshipped under apparently the wrong circumstances before, and for a lenght of 3.5 years, I rather took this as an oppurtunity to learn to try and I mean try to discard the old personality and place on the new. This process has brought me closer to Jehovah and my Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, who is my ransom and propititary sacrifice, thanks to Jah.

I was brought up in the world until the age of 22. I have proved with a simple and easy to read “Good News Bible”, that the NWT and other Bibles are compatible. Through thorough research in “Major Libraries”, through to also Hebrew Scholars of the Jewish Faith, even these and also the Arch Bishop of Newcastle admit that the process in which a person is put out from the Congregation is and can be applied correctly and in line with the Scriptures. If you have a beef with this and think you have been wronged? Appeal and explain the circumstances that this has happened.

In so far as to what I have seen above and below. It is tough…. there are no two ways about this happening to a person. Jehovah and Christ Jesus, both understand your pain and anger. Was not Job angry, as to his situation? All I can offer is my thoughts, as most of you are inclined not to listen or apply the written word.

“Maybe, just maybe our behavior was wrong?” If not in time it will be corrected, if one stays close to Jesus and most importantly Jehovah himself. In my case, whislt I was disfellowshipped? I was able to learn, “Patience, Long Suffering and Love.

To all those that have been Disfellowshipped! YOU know, that above all things, Jah is above ALL things, LOVING, MERCIFUL, & PATIENT” . More then we all realise. I hope to see any who are in this condition back to the Cong and also “YOUR PERSONALITY that WE ALL MISS!

We as imperfect humans, have so much to learn and look forward too. Rev 21:3-4

As a bi-note, re your “Cussing of Jehovah, he understands. What he does’nt like too much is deliberately misleading the “other sheep”.

I for one, do not want to eat and or return to the vomit from which I came.

Jesus is YOUR personal “Redeemer”, why persecute him in this way? Has he not gone through enough already? I will leave tht for you to remember.

The “Organisation is not perfect” JEHOVAH is. please do not fear the end

This video shows two religiously earnest men putting up with an antagonistic prick. Now the antagonistic prick is mocking the JWs because they are kicking him out of a religion he doesn’t want to be in in the first place? Dude, grow a ball. If you think there is something wrong with the procedings use the appeal process. It workd just like the American judicial system (which, by the way, can also convict a person in absentia) I also notice that the grammar used by you, and the fact that you are rolling video before answering the door shows that you were clearly aware of the purpose of the visit, and therefore indicates that you did in fact receive the letters. I am not sure why pricks like you continue to persecute a the JWs for this practice. At least they are trying to keep their ethical values in their organization. Remember that Jesus stated, “He who is not with me is against me.” They are merely echoing this sentiment. And since you are clearly not with them, they are perfectly justified in beleiving you against them. Besides, is the silent treatment really soooo bad. Are your poor feelings hurt? Grow up people!

-LBH

You people are all stupid fools. There are so many religions in the world and you all have no right to judge other’s religions. What is your problem? If you dont like it no one is forcing you to be a member or whatever. Just show some respect for people’s religions and talk like disciplined people. All those bad words were uncalled for. Am sure those who join this religion are not forced. Its their own choice, so stop being a kid about it. smh

It is intellectually and totally incomprehensible to me why ANYONE believes the nonsense in the alleged ‘Holy Bible’ much less the idiocy promulgated by a coven of self-anointed, intellectually sick, old men: the so-called elders in Brooklyn.
Why is it the Watchtower operates no hospitals, no schools [except that Dr. Goebbels' bible propaganda machine at Bethel], and no missions? And where does all the money go they collect from the slaves and sheep? What ARE the credentials of the governing body? Charles Taze Russell & Judge Rutherford was as phony as counterfeit $9 bills. And whatever happened to Russell’s ‘Miracle Wheat’ scam?

Did you really receive the letters?

@Brenda
hi brenda i agree with you about otto he is knotty he call people scum whille he is one himself he is a helpless roachers.

ok talking about disfelloship do you still love jehovah but a can sence you do now is time for you to prove to him how much you can commplitely reliable on him. think for yourself you got nothing to losse but got much to gain jehovah is a loving GOD there is nothing that you can be weaken of that he will never be able to for give is up to you dear and we dont have time to wait to repernt do it soon as you can couse our life is very short before you know it you are in a coffin hope you get my point love you byee

@otto DICKMOUTH. im not a JW..im actually disfelloshipped. and from the looks of it u were probably a butt cow boy, u fag, thats probably why u got disfellowshipped go suck a cock.

@LEN
im sory for the scarry night mare you expirienced ass a child but i think you did not had clere explanation the wild beast that you were so scared of it was not coming to the earth as a litteral wild beast it is a symbolic beast represent the nation.

and about disfellowship GOD does not speak to the elders to disfellowship people elders do what the bible say so they have to look at the satuation whether disfellowship is necesary

look at the example of king david when he commited udultery with bath sheba
jehovah has to handle the satuation himself no one knew of the story at there time
it came to be known centenary latter
but there were elders judging the people at that time but jehovah did not let the people to handle such case cause he knew if he let it to be in the hand of people king david could get killed with bath sheba for there action but he did not want king david to die at that moment
but in our days jesus came to leave everything in the hand of elders god does not talk to them they have to do what the bible say just as it say nothing to add

hmm this looks like a bluff. disfellowship is announced publicly to the congregation.

I here u Bella, I can remember the samething as a young child. I remember the nitemares of thinkn these ugly beast were coming down to earth to destroy things as they were suppose to be locked away by jehovah and if u didn’t follow the words coming from the truth of the witnesses u would be locked away with these ugly scary beast along side the demons and the devil. I was a child having nightmares about thes things because of course I didn’t understand. I am a little older now and I know if u continue to scare a person u can get them to pay attention an become ur slave. God represents love I think and this should b what is taught in any religion. I do not agree that u should teach by fear and then turn to say only fear god. The end is coming they say watching the sky turn purple n pink and red and runnin saying to my parents god is gettin ready to kill all who r not following the way of the truth (jehovah Witnesses) this would include my grandma,cousins an other luv 1s not in. No child should go thru these things, I’m in my 30s now n they r still sayin the end is coming n nothing has come and when the time comes I say to all that makes god out to b evil,because why create all with our on thoughts if we r to b doomed by using our better judgment of things. We must remember we r pure as children until adults put their own prejudice an thoughts into our heads. I wuz a 5 to 13 year old thinkin this religion thing is a way to keep order an squeeze any way of free thinkin out because without rules and regulation we want pay attention to what really is. Elders r judgers that should not judge becuz they r full of sin as well. My question here today is what gives them the rite to judge if u tell everyone that god has taken away our ability to see the future or for tell the future? People n church say god speaks to them an witnesses say this is stupid to believe, so why do elders say that god tells them when they need to disfellowship someone, why ask a sinner what he did if indeed u saw r heard from god u should no….but as witnesses we all remember the spy that report back to elders, running to tell the brothers all they found out. I’m not speculating and witnesses should humble themselves and not b so ugly when people speak ther truths on these type of sites.

@otto marconi
sorry J. Doe, forgot, your broken to pieces and shredded by the watchbloodytowers pitiless wheels.

The guy posting this video is pretty stupid. The letters were sent to him because he didn’t want to meet with the elders in first place, obviously he knew what he was doing.
He is “doing a documentary” based in his fault to a legal system based on the Bible and followed by witnesses all around the world.
If he committed a civil/penal crime and tried to do the same, he would not only end up in prison, but probably would be shot by the cops right on the spot.
Some people are just plain stupid, freeminds.org is stupid and I am glad this dude is far far away from any kingdom Hall.
BTW
NO WITNESS “will be disfellowshipped (as they say) for watching” this idiocy.

Oh dear. How proud “Anonymous” seems of the volunteers. Meanwhile, back in RealityVille … How many horrifying memories from my childhood do I have of going to doors with complete idiots “volunteering” to make all the rest of us look like idiots. No ability to speak naturally as if they actually know what they are trying to “teach” to the person at the door … reading from a script about what the preach-of-the-week was (and mostly very poor readers I might add) … unable to answer the simplest of questions. Here me a mere girl of say 13 having to take over for the dumbass adult I was assigned to and try and recover the situation. If you don’t what the heck you are talking about – you shouldn’t be allowed to rep the JWs. And it must be noted dear “Anonymous” that the JWs don’t try to teach people about God as you claim, they teach the Watchtower and Awake. If you ever decide to pull your head out of your butt and read some real history books, etc. you will likely uncover that you are part of a very odd religion basically started by a snake oil salesman. But you don’t want to be educated – JWs won’t even consider reading Crises of Conscience which would inevitably rock their worlds with it’s undisputed, well-documented look at some of the “scriptural enlightment” shenanigans that have transpired through the years. They just make things up, then when they don’t come true or they change their mind, they find “enlightenment” and make up some new things. It’s ridiculous.

Learn to read. He didn’t say he was happy BECAUSE Satan had blinded hearts. He said he was happy. Period. Then he added, Satan has blinded your hearts. Two separate comments linked by a comma.

The one thing that annoys me about JWs past and present is how d uneducated they seem.

I’d agree with the one poster that said this guy acted like an immature punk. If he really wanted to make a statement, he’d strap on his Big Boyness and do it that way. I broke free of JWs years ago but certainly don’t feel the need to act like an asswipe toward the ones who remain.

By the way – I don’t believe for one second you didn’t get the three letters they referred to at your door – you were laying in wait for them. So childish and stupid. You were just being an ass which probably had at least a little something to do with them wanting to get rid of you. You don’t say what your “crime” was, so we are left to wonder (sort of). I chose to go away on my own volition – you just sound like an angry child who wants to throw a fit b/c they dumped you for being mentally ill, childish or whatever.

Just telling you the truth dude. Not trying to be mean. Your attitude STINKS no matter what side of the equation your posters are on.

Wooow. I had similar actions taken against me, today i’ve read alot about how somethe witness’ behave. and my own histroy is rife with such as your case. With me, my smoking two cigarettes over a weeks time, as an act of rebellion after 6 years of harrassment was enough for me to be told, I had sinned against God, enough a sin to have me deleted, and that even though they, the elders harrassed me thru others, that they had only sinned against me. which was not so bad. So it was ok because their actions however hurtful to me were not as serious as to cause them to be counceled, their years of badgering brought on because I refused to say, agree, that college was a bad idea, badgering not by the society, but by the elders was not viewed to be as bad as my returning to smoke two cigarettes. (I am now back to my pack a day habit which is very bad and considered idolotry, although Jesus did say its not what goes in your mouth that makes you a sinner but what comes out), But that they precluded, prescribed doctrine which called on them to counsel me, ask me why I did it, discuss the problem, as you asked in your video” help” me. That was not considered, in may case they came by smug, and to make an announcement, and that announcement if your thinking like a witness, commited me to eternal death in so much as I was an unbaptised publisher and had no recourse. Later, when the society found out what had been done to me the elders were removed. they all lost their positions, for which I am not happy.I would rather the society watched them better, and so kept out of the congregations, as paul wrote, devisive ideas thru elders that can, and do destroy the flocks spirituality. The only thing I can say as a still non baptised believer, is that while holy spirit is to be in control. Elders and we all can ignor it. And that things bad happen, well its historical fact that God left Isreal in bondage, in egypt for 400 years before they were freed, he even let Pharoh kill the first born of all the jews at one time. So am I blaming God or Holy spirit, no, men still did the deed, as the elder said in your video, they we are still just human, people. I would not guess as to Gods plans or why he allows things, But I have hope the reasons worth it. in conclusion I would not be surprised that you had asked questions they could not answer, that you scared them, made their neat lives possibly not so neat, I bet you also scared them if your talked in the hall, the same as in the video, so they sought to quiet your questions. Like me, they sought to get rid of you, you were making waves, hence the lack of due process. We got Politics witness style. In my case they did not get away with it, my lesson was to not fully trust anyone, after all every religion is an organization maybe even for God, but day to day operations fall on sinful men, and that makes me nervous. So if you were their only to make a film, they did the right thing. did yuou know that during WWII, gestopo heads infiltrated the halls to find, and as they did jail and kill many witnessess. If your prupose was impure well then….. otherwise they did you wrong and God won’t be mocked they’ll get theirs.

Respect for uneducated imbeciles that are nothing more than puppets of one of the most destructive cults in modern history? Would you respect Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Reverend Moon, and other brainwashed lunatics that imposed their will on others; he had a good point re: being guided by holy spirit, the appeal process is nothing more than the Watchtower Corporation’s practice to make the Watchtower look fair and balanced to the outside world.

Ask yourself, would you work for a company that claimed to be the best company to work for but as a condition of employment you are not allowed to associate w/ anyone that left the company or read anything written about the company other than the company itself? A person with a free mind would say “of course not…sounds like they have something to hide.” What about your religion? Alienated religious cults love to throw around the word “truth”, well if it is truth, it has nothing to hide.

As a JW, you are not allowed to read anything that exposes the reality behind the multi layered cult that has over 100 years of perfecting its deception. If you can’t bring yourself to look at the facts, read something that has nothing to do about JW’s, “Combating Cult Mind Control” by Steven Hassan.

In fact what he is saying is absolutely true. If you are a jw and you get disfellowshiped, you are completely shunned by the congregation and your family. I was informed over the phone of my demise. Real ballsy stuff huh? They couldnt face me because I had been framed and they knew it. I wasnt able to speak with my parents again for abouit 12 years when they finally relaxed the rules a little. Now, the old rules are back and again there is no contact.

this guy is a punk.he should have been kicked out cause he had to have done something very bad for this to happen to him.then he laughed in the face of the elders who should be shown respect always so he needs a wake up call.the guy acted like a 3 yr old

Red,

Seems everytime you make a comment you put your foot in it. FYI (take 2) You mention we might be like Hitler. I am an Atheist therefore nothing like Hitler, who was; yep you guessed it a CHRISTIAN.

Cheers,
Markus