Video of two Jehovah's Witness Elders announcing a Wrongdoer that he is Disfellowshipped
A man filmed the announcement of his Disfellowshipment made by two Jehovah’s Witness elders who came at his door. Watch the video!
About Disfellowshipping
Excommunication or Disfellowshipping is an extreme form of shunning practised by Jehovah’s Witnesses. A disfellowshipped person is not to be greeted either socially or at meetings and is often shunned by family members. Jehovah’s Witnesses regard Disfellowshipping as a biblically-sanctioned means of bringing the wrongdoer back into the congregation and protecting other Witnesses against evil.
Categories: Psychological & Social Issues
I have been a JW all my life and have seem people come and go. Some leave for reasons where they actually commited a sin against god and some left for selfish reasons where they had a conflict with another witness or the like. Disfellowshipping was practiced by the first century christians. Its documented. I will agree that the actions and treatment of such disfellowshipped ones is not ethical or right but there must be balance.
If one has commited a sin of high caliber against god and is unrepentent he should be allowed to worship with others and possibly hurt or turn fellow believers. But there is balance needed. say hello be polite. But dont treat them like crap. There needs to be change but there are so many GOOD things about JW’s. They are clean good people. There are bad seeds. No one is perfect. Its a sick world. But dont lump all JW’s into a ball of filth. I have been hurt in the past by former witnesses. But that hasn’t changed my mind about god. Or my views that JW’s still TRY and practice what is right. I’m sorry if any o you were hurt by them or have bad experiences. But dont be hateful. Then your no better than Hitler.
To vigtRX, witnesses who come to this website do not need bigger dicks. What they need is something to improve their brains so they can come out of the cult, can you provide such medicine??
Having sex WAS considered marriage, in fact it describes almost all situation of a man “humbling” a Virgin, and the consequences or obligations of each. It also says there is a difference between a virgin and a wife, meaning if you are not a Virgin you ARE the wife or widow of some man. Widow if he had sex with her while she was forced and not where someone could help her. If she was betrothed and they still had relations or she didn’t cry for help, they were both supposed to be stoned!! However if the maiden was not betrothed (engaged), and they had sex, he was obligated to keep her as his wife as long as he lived, and could be liable to pay the dowrey (money paid to the father for his daughter). So in very simple and easy terms when two people were joined physically, they were under God’s law Married together as one flesh.
By using “fornication, or molestation” together in the same sentence you imply that consensual sexual activity between two unmarried adults (fornication) is the moral equivalent of an adult abusing a child or young teen (molestation). While society at large finds molestation to be deviant and criminal, the same is not true of the activity that you call fornication. Not everyone (Christian or otherwise) believes that sex outside of marriage is immoral/sinful. So please don’t try to force your interpretation o the Bible on me. If you do, your no better than the Watchtower.
Jehovah witness Bible-New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
John 13:34 I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”
Jesus said love one another. He didn’t say hate or disfellowship anyone. Hate must be in their heart to hurt anyone or a whole family. When anyone is disfelloweshipped, I understand there their whole family shuns them. Is that Christian like? No it;s not! That is not love, that’s hate.
Grace and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus christ
JWB
I have read alot of the comments and I have nothing good to say about the JW. I have two grandaughters that I love dearly and have been taken from me because I don’t believe in the CULT. Thats exactly what it is. The girls are being home schooled and brain washed by this so called GOOD PEOPLE. They show no signs I cristianity.
My daughter in law,?? called me a month ago and said her grandmother was dyiong, which she hasn’t spoken to for a year and a half, shunned. All of a sudden she calls me after moving 12 hours away, not speaking to me andfor two and a half years. I gave her money to get home, she stayed her for three days , I shopped , dined them and when I was out of money I called her and she refused to speak to me, my grandaughters are not allowed contact with me and they are not aollowed to go to dinner before they leave in the morning.
SO JW, I know this won’t be on this website, you dont have the nerve to hear the truth, or let others. Building houses and tearing apart familys that what you are about.
A friend of mine (let’s say Jo, to protect the innocent) who suffers Dissociative Identity Disorder, CPD and a host of similar afflictions & who was a baptised JoJo had his witness wife of many years leave him and run off with a man in the town here, without seeking any legally standing or theologically acceptable divorce terms.
She was disfellowshipped and Jo went into a spiral of obsessively obtuse behaviour, abusive threats and finally disfellowship himself, though not immediately.
She deserved it, and got what she needed in my opinion.
However, Jo, whose one-time Father-in-Law was and remains a senior elder in the congregation, went on to orchestrate a campaign of personal shunning against Jo, actually trying to put the blame for the unfaithfulness of his daughter upon Jo and his mental problems. Jo’s ex-wife had admitted that she was finding it impossible to live with him and she is entitled to that decision. He is pretty hard work.
Again people who are not qualified in the field bandied around & exploited the issues of ‘mental-health’ in this case.
I find this a common thread within the organisation, whereby there is an ongoing appeasement or even a surreptitious encouragement of popular prejudices found outside the congregations, in the greater society.
All deliberately staged for the fulfilment of so-called ‘prophecy’ in my opinion.
‘Jo’ was unfortunate in that he fell victim to the double whammy of actually suffering some substantial mental health problems whilst also succumbing to this month’s flavour of condescension and haughty attitudes from within the ‘elder class’.
Actually he was fuming mad at the end of it and I wonder how many years it will take to fix up Jo’s one time regular spiritual belief system! Perhaps he’s better without?
Truly, you do have to be a metaphorical ’sheep’ to fit in with the JoJo crowd.
Question…when your friend or family member is sick do you: A) Bring them some chicken soup and give them helpful tips on getting better or B) stay away from them because they might contaminate you? If you are a JW you would choose option B.
I was raised as a JW and here is the short and sweet of it – MAN USES RELIGION TO CONTROL THE MASSES. Might I add especially Christianity. Wars were fought, slavery was supported all in the so-called name of the Lord. It’s brain-washing ya’ll! I used to think the only way was the JW way because it was drilled into me. I was not so much instructed on how to truely elevate my spirituality as much as I was reminded of how “only JW do this and that” of what the bible says.
Man is imperfect and will imperfectly interpret the bible who’s original meaning has been altered through translations. If you read the Qabalah (the original Christian teachings), it will help Christians to understand the original meaning of the bible before man added his interpretation.
To everyone: LEARN YOUR HISTORY, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, DO NOT LET ANY MAN LEAD YOUR BELIEFS, SEARCH THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELF AND FIND TRUE HAPPINESS!
I guess you all have forgoton the most important statement of all , ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME !! do you guys remeber when jehovah witnesses use to disfellowship non baptized ones ? and they said OH we are so sorry we didnt mean to do that we can only disfellowship Baptized ones ooooopps ,so all the ones we did disfellowship over the last few years COME ON BACK !!! what a joke this group of people are ! and remember im not talking about JEHOVAH GOD im talking about a group of people whos religion was started in a basement in pennsylvania, and know is a BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS !!!! food for thought !!
I guess you all have forgoton the most important statement of all , ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME !! do you guys remeber when jehovah witnesses use to disfellowship non baptized ones ? and they said OH we are so sorry we didnt mean to do that we can only disfellowship Baptized ones ooooopps ,so all the ones we did disfellowship over the last few years COME ON BACK !!! what a joke this group of people are ! and remember im not talking about JEHOVAH GOD im talking about a group of people whos religion was started in a basement in pennsylvania, and know is a BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS !!!! food for thought !!
Kyle sounds like a JW, the following gives it away: “im not a witness nor do i belong to any other religion, but i do enjoy reading a whole lot about various religions.”
Notice the lack of capitalization on the personal pronoun (IE: lack of education). Likely the only place where Kyle reads about other religions is in the pages of the Awake Magazine. Whenever someone says: “I’m not a Witness”, he’s a Witness. Chalk it up to “Theocratic Warfare”.
Alexandra makes the comment that “This kind of meeting is called judicial committee and me or anybody who is a witness is aware will take place ONLY when a serious sin has been committed such as as inmorality.”
Actually, approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
No medical transplants of any kind.
Source – 1967 “When men of science conclude that this normal process will no longer work and they suggest removing the organ and replacing it directly with an organ from another human, this is simply a shortcut. Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others.” (Watchtower, Questions from Readers, Nov. 15, 1967 p 702-704)
Not to marry or have children
Source – 1938 “Would it be scripturally proper for them to marry and begin to rear children? No, is the answer, which is supported by the scriptures….I will be far better to be unhampered and without burdens, that they may do the Lords will now, as the Lord commands, and also be without hindrance during Armageddon. … Those… who now contemplate marriage, it would seem, would do better if they wait a few years, until the fiery storm of Armageddon is gone.” (Face the Facts, 1938, p. 46, 47, 50)
The Space Shuttle is a myth
Source – 1943 “Man on earth can no more get rid of these demonic `heavens’ (the organization of wicked spirits) than man can by airplane or rockets or other means get up above the air envelope which is about our earthly globe and in which man breathes.” (The Truth Shall Make You Free, 1943, p. 285)
No Vaccinations
*** The Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17 ***
Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice… Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccination.
*** The Golden Age 1929 May 1 p.502 ***
Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, escema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion.
*** Awake! 1965 August 22 p.20 ***
[This is a summary, not a quote] [Vaccinations appear to have caused a marked decrease in diseases.]
Don’t question it. Research it.
Alexandra, you must be very naïve or very stupid to tell some of us how the judicial committee functions. I have personally sat on many judicial committees and I can tell you from experience it can turn into Star wars some times. We are supposed to ask leading questions to get to the truth, and that means pointing the finger and making accusations just to see how the person reacts. If for example a sexual matter is involved we ask questions like how many times, where, what parts were touched, was there oral/anal sex and so on. You have no idea what a person that is brought to the elders go through!
In the case of the video, something was brought against him and most like he turned down from going to the judicial committee. In such a case upon trying many times to reach the person the elders will disfellowshipp the person and will try to inform the person by phone letter or by visiting the person.
This video is very real and if you look at all the posts you will find the names of the elders congregation and phone numbers. Please feel fee to call the congregation to check the veracity of the information
Well, i just saw the video of the elders at the door of the guy who had been disfellowshipped. First of all, i can tell by your comments that you are not a witness or know anything about witnesses.
Obviously i’m a witness, I went through the counsel of elders in the congregation a couple of times myself, i went willingly to say that something i did was bothering me for which they would gather together with me. This kind of meeting is called judicial committee and me or anybody who is a witness is aware will take place ONLY when a serious sin has been committed such as as inmorality. In the meeting it’s been discussed what’s happened and NOBODY would even point at you with a judging finger on what you’ve done, rather you receive loving comfort that if you repent and turn around Jehovah will forgive, but we’re also aware that we can lose privileges in the congregation or even been disfelloshipped for the missconduct, this meeting can take a couple of hours minimal since all details should be considered before making a desition, AND THE DESITION WHATEVER TI MAY BE IT’S TOLD TO THE WRONGDOER IN THE END OF THIS MEETING. So when the elders went to visit this brother in the video they had already spoken to him and HAD TOLD HIM THAT ABOUT THE DESITION THAT HE WOULD GET DISFELLOWSHIPPED. . He’s only playing smart and mocking Jehova’s witnesses.
Well, i hope this served in something as to answer your concern about an injustice about Jehova’s witnesses.
Greetings, Alexandra
Oh, yes, JWs trully live what the Bible teaches. Shunning, myopia, blindly believing without researching, hatred and intolerance -
Now that I reflect on it, gee, I’m so sorry I’m disfellowshipped and shunned by those JWs who had no problem accepting my generosity one minute and treating me as though I was the most repugnant person on the planet the next.
Ronald…greetings,
It’s almost like the comparison I’m sure you’ve heard before in regards to why SOME people become cops.
(Note: I made sure to say SOME because I’m sure if I didn’t, someone like “BLoopers” is probably a cop and then we’d have to listen to him/her cry about how I’m ragging on cops. But on the other hand, I’ve never met a JW who was a cop, JW’s are usually far too self serving for public service. Who would want to serve and protect the “Worldlies” anyway, right?) Anyway, I’m sure you’ve heard people say “that guy became a cop because he always had no self esteem and was pushed around in school as a kid, and it’s his way of getting back at people.” While I personally don’t think that about people who become police (although I’m sure it HAS happened) I do believe that when people who have no self esteem or confidence become involved with a group that they begin they feel a part of, sometimes people gain a false sense of confidence which usually will manifest itself in arrogance. So many “brothers and sisters” I grew up around were indeed arrogant and did look down upon others in the congregation who were maybe less fortunate or not of the same “caste system” or social class that they felt they were a part of. Yes, you are correct Ronald, they were “monsters” in they way they treated others. If you read my previous posts, in the various replies, you’ll notice people have a tendency to get hostile towards the way I express my opinions in regards to JW’s. But, I am not writing aggressively towards any person who is god fearing and genuinely practicing their religion…I am speaking of members of an organized religion that I spent my childhood years being raised in, and the experiences that I had with them. While there were a few people from that experience that I often think of with warmth in my heart, there were definately plenty of “monsters”. Those are the people who deserve every drop of suffering they bring upon themselves, and justice to their victims. Interview past and present witnesses and you will find plenty of victims of this particular religion. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just a plain old fact to those who are “in the know.” There are “monsters” everywhere and I knew plenty of them in that religion as a kid. Unfortunately with the introduction of the internet, stories don’t remain hidden or local for long; and now witnesses and ex-witnesses have the forum to discuss their experiences.
Instead of arguing with people about their personal experiences because they don’t “like what they hear”, these argumentative witnesses who pop in and out of sites like these (which is frowned upon in their religion anyway) they ought to take the time to expose the problems in their own congregations and put an effort to making sure that everyone in their congregation is truly treated as a “brother or sister”. Maybe if they did that, websites like this may not exist. Thank you very much for the reply, and good day.
Dear Pat,
I can relate to everything you say. You’re right. But remember when the suckering god-loving dopes get to have some pseudo power inside the congro they become worst than their cunning bosses!
Meaning they weren’t God-loving people but merely but only underachieving self-lovers = haters of others if their career calles for it.
Analysis at a deeper level reveals that the most of the people the watch tower gather are monsters. And infamous balsphemers at that.
Those who contradict are just assholes.
Seems to me based on the lunacy you have projected, that I could apply the wild beasts horns to the Watchtower Society.
They have caused no end of stupidity, false prophecy, spiritual corruption, built a huge money-making enterprise while cult-controllong its rank & file, all the while feeding mindless people like you with such garbage as you have stated above.
Despite the UN’s faults, at least they attempt to deal with life’s issues between various countries.
The Watchtower & all its self-professed glory isn’t for God, no it’s to money just like all the other false religions.
Do some reserch rather than merely parrot the Watchtower’s extremely limted knowledge.
Dear “Bloopers”, did your god tell you to call people losers when you don’t agree with them? First of all, no one is “within hearing distance”…when I “happened to stumble across this site”, the very first thing I noticed was that this site seemed to support a forum where people who have had experiences with the JW’s could relay their personal experiences. Which is what I did, and that made me a “loser”. The other thing I noticed was that there were a lot of pissed off witnesses desperately trying to defend their faith on a site that is not geared towards them. In terms of making an impression…of course it made an impression! When your a child exposed to a group of people that are more concerned with controlling and judging others, not as a hobby but as a form of doctrine and a way of life, how could it not make an impression. That’s the exact reason I told of my experience. Now, what you have done “BLoopers” is you have just proven once again exactly how these “witnesses” of jehovah act. Like a bunch of two-year olds who can’t get their way.
Your just angry that you don’t have the power to disfellowship me for the things I’ve said. And to say that you’re irritated by finding someone like me expressing my opinion, I would have to disagree. You would have no one to play with if it wasn’t for people like me. Just as your religion needs satan to exist in order for your ideologies to exist, you need someone like me to go round and round with in order to feel a sense of purpose. You’re arrogant, not the “god warrior” you think you are. Christ certainly wasn’t arrogant, are you sure it’s the same Christ you see as your saviour? Do the other “brothers and sisters” know you spend time on a website like this? Wasting time away from study just to argue nonsense with a “worldy”? I hate to break it to you “BLoopers”, but you could never be a drop of what Jesus Christ was. I know what you’re going to say, that neither could I…well I never posed as a christian. How about next time you enter a reply you sign on as Buffoon instead of “Bloopers”. It fits you better. Good day.
i like your persistant yawns! cute. dont patronize everyone by saying you ‘happened’ to stumble across the website…..geez. no, i dont think that anyone has taught me to tell anyone to tell get a life.. i think that anyone who takes the time to tell ppl what he thinks about a religion ( that has obviously made an impression) , and badmouths it, needs to get a life. if you have a problem with a religion, swallow it, take it like a man, and find another. dont be a loser and tell everone within hearing distance how you dispise it. we are all ’stumbling along’ …and getting thru life the best we can. its just irritating to find someone who still cant get over whatever it is they need to get over. and yes, my turn to YAWN…non buffoonishly. (lol…go ahead and be a smartass about that…i thinkin i KNOW its not a word)…SINCERELY BLOOPERS
!!! ATTENTION TROLL ALERT !!!
Kyle and dfd.
Are you serious? It is apparent from your comments that you do not have an understanding of the importance of this video.
Without understanding this religion, and without knowledge of the ‘crime’ you label this person as evil and a person who hides his sins.
That is what active members of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society do. Instead of having a discussion of facts, it is better to attack the person, claim that he or she is evil, hiding sins, being misled by the devil himself. With those labels in place, then anything that he says can be disregarded. Even if they are true you won’t believe them.
God, Jehovah, Yawyeh, LORD whatever you choose to use. He doens’t like lies. Why can’t you at least listen to the argument as to why he was disfellowshipped. Then make your decision. The congregation doesn’t even know. They aren’t allowed to know even though the scriptures state that they should and be involved in the disfellowshipping process. One more thing this true religion has wrong.
Oh yeah, the reason he was disfellowshipped was for asking questions. Didn’t the apostles ask Jesus questions?
Im sorry…. i have to be honest, the person who recorded this video has to be the most stupid person ive ever heard speak, not to mention the person who posted this video on this site. im not a witness nor do i belong to any other religion, but i do enjoy reading a whole lot about various religions. first of all the young mans tone of voice sounds like hes just trying to get a cheesy video against something serious he probably did and makes himself look like the victem here. he just doesnt sound like he cares at all. i know people who get involed religions and become members for the soul perpose of trying to get that religion in trouble. this is not always the case, there are bad people who hide who they truly are and its difficult for anyone to know it.
TO Married21410
You have been married to a bully. Firmly close the door behind you and move on. Other dors will open.
When it gets to the divorce settlement, things will get very ugly, and you need your stength.
Do NOT allow anyone to dictate to you what to agree to in that setllement. Tell the truth, and don’t leave anything out. Make it clear that you do not wish your children to be dragged further into this cult, that is the most important thing you should not give way on. Tell the court about your serious misgivings of the cult, and appeal to them to ensure the safety of your children. You need a good lawyer!
If your wife raises “cruelty”, explain the psychology of transference to the court, so that there is no doubt at all as to who is being cruel to whom.
When it comes to other things, try to reach a settlement that involves a little contact with your wife as possible. In particular, if you get custody, ensure that you have an order that insists you wife may only see the children in the presence of someone from social services.
Excellent comment Pat, it reflects what I and others have stated and experienced with this faith, with its underhanded tyranny.
To Married 21410:
Obviously you are going to be the one in the end that will make a stand with regard to your life and your children. Faith in Jesus involves not only hope, however it also means making decisions that are all too often to hard to do.
My family is still involved in this religion, albeit they are quite zealous and well-intentioned, their lives are pathetic.
For someone who left many years ago and is truly grateful that I made the decision despite losing my whole family (they have nothing to do with me), it’s rather ironic that my life & my immediate family are doing great. The last thing I would ever do is admonish my children to be involved with this religion or any that utilizes cult-like practices and fear to ensnare and rule its people.
It should be no surprise that most of the JW clan never looks happy, it is the ultimate lip service religion, they hypocritically tell others how to live their lives, yet they live a completely different one away from the Kingdom Hall. What is amazing is how they self-justify their hypocrisy. Such faith is immature & horrendously shallow. They have built their whole concept on image, after all it is quite possible that a JW will attack my or Pat’s comment here, yet they aren’t even supposed to be viewing/surfing to so-called ‘apostate websites’.
If a JW was so mindful of God’s dislike for the aforementioned, wherein which they should fear God, however they only fear what others may say, or what they may find out about them. The JW’s can argue all they want regarding such philosophies; however I and many others can prove it all day long.
God Bless and good luck, we will be here to listen if you need it.
James
Well, greetings friends! I forgot all about this post and was surprised at the responses. First off, I just want to clarify a few things…To BLooper, you must be a practicing witness because I see I may have offended you. **YAWN** Do I think I’m an insightful person, I would have to say so. I’m not the smartest person on the planet, but I do my research before I lay claim. **YAWN** Do I think the witnesses are out to get me, no. In fact I don’t give them much thought at all. I was surfing for entertainment purposes and stumbled across this page and decided to drop an opinion. **YAWN** Simple as that really. Issues? I have typical life issues, nothing too special. Work, bills, **YAWN** swimming right along like everyone else I guess. Pretty much content. **YAWN** And thank you for recognizing my “outstanding” relationship with God. Not that my personal relationship with anyone or anything is YOUR personal business, but it truly is “outstanding”. Thanks again. **YAWN** Did jehovah teach you to tell people to “get a life”? Is that what your god has taught you in regards to the treatment of others? Is that how Christ would have reacted? Isn’t it your responsibility as a “witness of jehovah” to teach and bring people closer to him instead of alienating someone or acting in a fashion that could stumble someone? **YAWN** The ANONYMOUS comment from 2/28/07 took the right approach. They didn’t agree with my opinion and had a right to post a response because it is a public forum. The difference is they took the christian approach and laid forth explanations they had found within the bible instead of letting their personal emotions get in the way. ANONYMOUS ACTUALLY WITNESSED TO ME! Their genuine caring words were actually listened to and appreciated that they took the time out of their day to worry about the well-being of another. You can guarantee their response didn’t stumble anyone, and I would say that if someone maybe had a bad feeling about the witnesses, ANONYMOUS certainly may have proved those bad theories wrong. You added to the image of the witnesses. You may want to contact ANONYMOUS and take some sheperding call lessons and stop being so confrontational. First of all, I never claimed to be a witness, so I have a little more space in regards to how I talk or use words. You’re the one who is supposed to be acting in a christian fashion, and all you did was make yourself look like a buffoon. **YAWN**
This man questioning them is very stupid. He knew how the people were before he joined. Also, this story is biased. The people do not do what they did to him just because they can. He must of had done a lot of evil.
“People in the world that volunteer many hours weekly to teach about God”, what planet do you come from, kingdom hall? Since when is selling propaganda magazines for the publishing company “Watchtower” teaching about God?
You have been publishing for nearly 200 years and spending so many hours (as according to you) and still you have not preached in all the inhabited earth. By this rate you will need another 200 years with NOTHING happening. Now, which one is which?
I have to disagree with that statement! I have been married to a JW for over 10 years, she has hardly missed a meeting during that time let alone an assembly. She is the third generation from her family and my children (she hopes) will be the fourth. Let me tell you what I have lived with during that time: A woman who has never let her husband make any decisions about anything, never let him have a say so in child raising (even though I have done as much if not more of the child raising), has used me and my family to get what she wants, (I helped her start two businesses – giving her emotional, financial and physical support – as well as my father letting her use his building on Main St in our town “rent free”) has never been able to forgive anything, has said the most hateful things I have ever heard in my life – things I wouldn’t even say to people I don’t like, has committed adultery with another witness (and yes, I did forgive her for my families sake) and wasn’t even disfellowshipped for it – but was df’d when she got pregnant with our first child out of wedlock, has constantly made me prove my love to her – by having me do anything and everything she asked – not limited to but including: studying with JW’s every Sunday for 2 years (not my idea), going to Memorial with her and the family and an occasional meeting (not to much to ask of me as I do love her), not to mention all the work I put in on helping her start her businesses – in which her work schedule is such that I would leave work after working a full day – pick up the children from daycare – do homework with them and then make them dinner and get them ready for bed – then she would get home. The whole time not allowing me to ever take them to the church of my upbringing, play sports or attend any school or church functions that “would offend her bible trained conscious”. Now, you may be thinking that she is just loyal to the cause but there is more: 2 days before our 10 year anniversary tells me that she hasn’t loved me in years, had wished that something would happen to me (i.e. car accident) or even thought about having someone do something to me (i.e. kill me), and then tell me she wants a divorce. While I’m standing there weeping like a child and my world crumbling down – with a straight face and no emotion tells me to “get over it” and then says “I know what it is like to love someone and lose them , I loved ____ (the JW she had the affair with a few years before). I find out later that a day and a half after this happens she is back in contact with this guy and 3 weeks later is hooked up with another guy also. She then envites me back to the house after a few weeks to discuss the terms of our divorce and tells me that she wants me to file because “I treated her like crap” and she feels like it is my fault that she doesn’t love me (bunch of BS). She makes the statement that I need to move on and that she had thought about sleeping with someone to help me move on (what she didn’t know that I knew – was that she had – not to help me, but to help her). I was raised Methodist and despite how I was treated in our marriage (and believe me there were times when I was miserable and very unhappy), I stayed in it because I made a vow to not just her but more importantly to God to love, honor and cherish her till death do us part. Now you may just say: This is an isolated incident and this isn’t typical for other JW’s. I’m not so sure – I have met some that I feel like are genuine and good people but last summer her own parents who were married for 30+ years – and they were both devout JW’s. My wife did attend a meeting the other day (first one in about 2 months), and I wonder how it made her feel, I also wonder what she will tell the congregation and elders as that is who she will have to answer to – right? Well, I know that anything and everything I do in this life does not and should not matter to any organization or group of people, my judgement will come from Jesus, whom I feel like I have a personal relationship with and I don’t need an organization or publishing company to have that relationship. My wife will probably lie about what is going on between us to get the support of the WT and local Kingdom Hall and will probably tell them that I left her (as if the unbeliever wants to leave let them go) just because I left the home, but it was not because I wanted to. I asked her numerous times to go to marriage counseling but she stated she would not participate if she did go. I talked to one of my friends about what was going on and he stated that he felt like there was something missing from her life…GOD.
The bible was written for all honest hearted people that want to have an approved relationship with God, and Jehovah’s Witnneses so far are the only group that LIVE what the bible REALLY teaches. So sorry you feel that way, but it is the truth!
First of all, they did not lie. The wild best with it’s” ten horns”- ten represents completeness, therefore indicating ALL man made governments. The wild beast is symbolic of all man made governments, these governments are standing in opposition to Jehovah’s Soverienty -HIS right to rule. In the beginning there was only one government – Jehovah’s untill rebellion by Satan, Adam and Eve caused Jehovah to allow man to try every form of government , and, of course mans government has failed miserably and has caused so much hurt,death and destruction. So man, in one last effort to bring pease and security to earth established the League of Nations (” was”) that didn’t work ( “but is not”) United Nations ( “what will be present” ) is an entity put in place to TRY and unify governments – which has failed measerably. Thus it is rightly and accuratlly portrayed as the ” wild beast” that oppress and sacrifice millions of lives with terrible blood shad and Jehovah need to and WILL bring it to destruction so HIS original purpose for the earth and and mankind will bring blessings to mankind.
I see you still use the name Jehovah to identity the only TRUE God, where did you learn it and what religious group uses it? ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses. My heart aches for you, you have allowed Satan to turnish your heart and remove it far from God. If your relationship with God was so great than you wouldn’t use the language that you use nor would you speak in a manner like you do. Your heart is full of hatred. One thing for sure, you can search the whole world over and you will NEVER find a religion that uses God’s name Jehovah and His word the bible to the extent that Jehovah’s Witnesses does. Nor will you find people the world over that VOLUNTEER many hours weekly to teach people about God.You will never find another group of prople with the bible knowledge that Jehovah’s Witness have. And if you were raised in the Truth you know that what is taught is the truth. You know it is! You see bible porphesies being fulfilled (read Mathew chapter 24) Mathew 24:14 “This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a Witness to all the nations, and then the end will com.” Sounds like Jehovah choose the Witnesses to fill that one!!!
It sounds as if you just wanted to do your own thing and serve God in a manner best fitting to you and not according to His (Jehovah’s) standards.
The Unity and the love found among Jehovah’s people is definitely an identifying mark .
It is a privilege to serve Jehovah!
Jeez,
With pearls of wisdom like this, what do we have to do to earn a righteous place in hell to be with our mates?
Love in abundance? 42000 people died today, do a google on death statistics and see how we are loved in abundance. READ the real meaning of one useless sacrafice.
If Jesus died for us, why for goodness sake should we have to die in order to be saved? How come we are not walking around greeting our 2 thousand year old grandparents? Does this make sense to you?
Markus
James,
You are doing nothing to draw those lost JW’s to the truth. You are proving what they say all of the time>>>THE “WORLD” is lost. Your rude comments & obscene launguage is not the right way to show people, who HONESTLY think they are right, any differently. How do you help the truly lost w/ anger & curses? Jesus would show LOVE in abundance & patience to a confused people>>>HIS heart breaks for them & any who are lost. HE came to die for EVERYONE.
Keep knocking & surrender>>>GOD DOES answer, but not always in the way we want. His ways are above our ways & as long as we are seeking HIS KINGDOM FIRST, ALL other things will be added to you. Be encouraged, God loves you & values you. HE wants what is best for you, even more than you do.
Your email was so sarcastic, not God loving at all. To make an impact on people, we must check our hearts & deal w/ things as Jesus would. Rudeness & sarcasm have no place in “helping” anyone & definately not the way God would handle things. The Bible says “You will be known by the LOVE amoung yourselves.” Love is of the most valuable importance & w/out it you have nothing. “Judge, lest you be judged.” “If you do not forgive, then you neither shall be forgiven.” “Let you who is w/out sin cast the 1st stone.” I pray that a Godly love take you over so that you may know the love of God & be able to recieve it & give it.
“Not with these pukes. There are two types of Jehovahs Witnesses:(1)Wolves in sheep clothing who utilize the religion to control because they couldn’t control anything in the “real” world, and(2)God loving people who are too duped to realize that they are being had”…
WOW, you are truly an insightful person! sounds like you have some issues you need to clear up ~ no wait, let me guess..everyone who happens to be a Witness is out to get you.
im sure you have an OUTSTANDING relationship with ‘your God’; evidentally he doesnt teach you to treat (ie speak) about others as you would like to be treated. **YAWN**~ get a life, my dear.
Thomas, stop looking so hard. Sometimes you’d be surprised what is right in front of you that you somehow overlooked. Taste the essence, it is there. You’ll be fine my friend.
First off. Any religion that rejects someone is all to exclusive. I find that after careful study of the JW and their perversion of scripture to confuse and trick people into their way of thinking is an aweful sin. They are preying on innocent people inparticular souls that need a true savior. Although, some of their lifestyle choices are verymuch pulled from true Christianity, their core doctrines are extremely misguided. There is no perfect church as people who make up the church are not perfect, we have the hope of a better day and days after Christs return. Until then we should not shun or reject someone based on their lifestyle or something they did, rather we should reach out to them in true Christian love and pray for them. Unconditional love is what the Bible teaches. If JW ever had hope of reaching this young exmemeber, they have certainly lost it and it appears that he is well on his way to make sure none of his friends and family are swindled into an organization, rather that they are led to the belief and understanding that Jesus came to save the lost and provide and way for eternal life through his death, burial and resurrection and can live with the hope that they will be with Him in Paradise (Heaven) after they die or if Christ return before their death. I pray for the JW in my area and am impressed with their conviction to go door to door. More true Christians should do the same.
youre wrong!
are we not,we not ,we not———–are we not,we not, we not?
Bow down to the one whom we serve.
I keep knocking but it goes unanswered,I keep seeking but I hav’nt found ,what am I doing wrong? Are we not we not promised by God?
Didn’t you know? The bible was written so many years ago just for the JW’s!!!
That’s what they would almost want you to believe.
Pity the foolish people….
The recent Jehovah’s Witness worldwide message tract:THE END OF FALSE RELIGION IS NEAR,mentions the wild beast of revelation 17:8 and for an explanation of that beast it gives reference to the Watchtower Society’s book : REVELATION CLIMAX. The Revelation Climax book says that the wild beast of revelation 17:8 is the United Nations and that the United Nations Organization and world governments are going to destroy false religion. (Only Jehovah’s Witnesses will be spared.) Many may remember studying this book with Jehovah’s Witnesses. I do.(It was studied at least 3 times at the Jw book study over the course of several years.)
However, if we read revelation17:8 we will see that the wild beast cannot possibly be the United Nations.
Let’s begin with the New International Version.
“The beast ,which you saw,once was,now is not,and will come up out of the abyss and go to his destruction.
The inhabitants of earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.”
-revelation 17:8 (NIV)
I was thunderstruck when I first read this in the NIV.
I looked up this scripture in the New World Translation (standard JW bible) and noticed that although it was worded slightly differently, it had the same meaning as the NIV.
WAS always refers to the past.(ONCE WAS)
IS always refers to the present.(NOW IS) (NOW IS NOT)
Revelation was written almost 2000 years ago. The beast had been on the scene sometime prior to the writing of revelation(ONCE WAS), but was in the abyss when revelation was written(NOW IS NOT).
The League of Nations was established in 1920. The United Nations was established in 1945.
Wouldn’t it be better for the Watchtower to say that they don’t know what or who the wild beast is… instead of lying about it?
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tHE wATCHTOWER PREACHES THAT ONLY THEY ARE PERFECT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS” SATAN’S ORGANIZATION “
My husband is a JW and he pays for the magizines. Can you explain that ?
cOULD IT BE YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO GO TO THESE SITES IS SO YOU DON’T LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION ?
Who drew any conclusions? What you see is what you get. CT
go back to africa to your family and stay there