JAMES: Thank you sir. Other than the common practice of bullying members in the congregation, beating people mentally into submission…I don’t think people understand the ramifications of these actions on the people being controlled. While I was growing up, I cannot even begin to count the number of, I’ll say cases, of people suffering from depression and various forms of mental illness due to years of just plain old bad treatment at the hands of people they considered to be their “brothers and sisters”. Jehovahs Witnesses are some of the saddest, emptiest people I have met. You almost want to feel pity for them in a way, but at the same time, we all have free will and to stick around and be treated in that fashion…I guess you get what you get. Let me put it this way, if I force you to eat a plate of shit everyday and you come back everyday and eat more, you really can’t complain about the way shit tastes can you? You had mentioned how most of the JW clan never really looks happy. I kind of understand what you’re talking about, but I remember my parents arguing in the car about who had done what and who had said what, but when we got to the “kingdom hall”(and I use that term loosely)everyone had to put on their happy faces. Happy, happy! Or kids I knew that would smile so hard when they were greeted by an adult that you thought their face was going to shatter; but when we would go down to the basement and it was just us kids, some of them had the bruises covered by sleeves. Bruises so bad they were close to being broken skin. I can remember one event where this little boy, probably about 5 or 6 was “acting up” and his father took him down the basement to quiet him. A few minutes later, I went down the basement to use the bathroom and when I walked in, the boy was on his knees/face to the ground/head to the wall/and his father was kicking him in the ass so that his head would hit the wall with each kick. The little boy wasn’t allowed to put his hands up to protect his head and his father just kept kicking. I finally walked in and just stood there and locked my eyes on the father because I had known him since I was his sons age. I always knew the guy was a total flunkie as a person, but I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The congregation always keeps incidents like these on the down low, and children are abused in the name of discipline. If you’re not an aggressive personality, those who are do everything in their power to make sure you feel less than the congregations elite. They talk about how much time they spend on bible study, but they spend more time in gossip and meddling in the private affairs of their members. Their lifestyle is fueled by keeping each other in line, gossiping about one another, and the fuel is paranoia. Have you noticed that most of the comments posted on this site (and probably others) that are from JW members are usually posted annonymously. That’s because they live in fear. “What if brother so and so saw this…” Fear. Plain and simple. They value the opinion of a human man in their religion more than the opinions stated in the bible. I was raised in this religion from the age of three years old. I did my time. I have earned my right to say anything I so choose about this organization as it is based on first hand experience. Experience. I lived with these people, broke bread with these people, and had a front row seat to the atrocities committed by SOME of these people. Not every member committed atrocities, but most of them knew what went on and that makes them equal in guilt. I love how I will post my opinions on this organization and you can guarantee some nitwit member will reply about how wrong I am or how I don’t have a clue as to what I’m talking about. One word to all you nitwits: EXPERIENCE! I lived it. There is nothing you can say to change reality. You may be able to supress reality in your congregations, but the truth always comes out in the end! And now, with the invent of the internet (which is usally used for all kinds of evil) members and non-members young and old have a global forum, WORLDWIDE! to relay their experiences while spending time with this cult! The truth comes out in the end, and it’s not the truth they speak of…it’s the truth about what has gone on behind closed doors for generations that the organization didn’t want the rest of the world to know about. And then came the beginning of the end-the internet. Which by the way also seems to have given young catholic boys a forum to discuss what happened to them. Before we had this technology, everything could remain hush-hush. People actually thought that it was only happening to them. Now the truth comes out and there are no isolated incidents, it was more like common practice. When someone in europe can talk to someone in new jersey and compare notes and see that the same things are common thread in both of their congregations, that’s not a fluke. That just shows you that there are common occurences in all congregations. Witnesses know this, that is why contact with them now is so confrontational. I’d be embarressed too! Ex-members, continue to share your stories with one another. Don’t be silent about your personal experiences, they are YOUR personal experiences! Any JW members who know the things that are going on around you, if you remain silent, you’re equal in guilt with those who are doing the wrong. You know people have been removed or disfellowshipped for questioning or speaking out against what they felt was improper…I could live with those consequences, but I could never live knowing I kept silent! The next time one of your “brothers or sisters” gossips to you or mistreats another, do the right thing and put them in their place. Have the courage to NOT be apart of it no matter who it is in the congregation. Governing body, district overseer, elder, or their wives…none of them are any better than you are. We’re all human, and we all rot the same way once lowered into the ground. It is Gods opinion that matters, everyone else is irrelevent.

TO Married21410

You have been married to a bully. Firmly close the door behind you and move on. Other dors will open.

When it gets to the divorce settlement, things will get very ugly, and you need your stength.

Do NOT allow anyone to dictate to you what to agree to in that setllement. Tell the truth, and don’t leave anything out. Make it clear that you do not wish your children to be dragged further into this cult, that is the most important thing you should not give way on. Tell the court about your serious misgivings of the cult, and appeal to them to ensure the safety of your children. You need a good lawyer!

If your wife raises “cruelty”, explain the psychology of transference to the court, so that there is no doubt at all as to who is being cruel to whom.

When it comes to other things, try to reach a settlement that involves a little contact with your wife as possible. In particular, if you get custody, ensure that you have an order that insists you wife may only see the children in the presence of someone from social services.

Dear Married21410, greetings…Sounds like you’ve been to hell and back and your tour there was courtesy of one jehovha’s “chosen” few. Hang in there pal, somehow God willing you will make it through this trying time in your life. Unfortunately your experience is not an isolated incident. I mean people treat each other in the same shitty fashion every day, but what is unnerving is when these actions are acted out by some members who spend their entire lives on a self-made pedestal, judging everyone around them (even giving the nickname of “WORLDLIES” to those who are not members)but behind closed doors act worse than most of the “worldlies” I’ve met. They are some of the most pathetic, cowardly people I have ever had contact with in my life. Most “witnesses” don’t even know the origin and history of their own religion, and how it was founded by a drunk lunatic who was more interested in his vision and interpretations. After his reign of terror came to an end, the next few in line were no more qualified to lead people to God than he was. That being said, the organization has since day one been ruled with an iron fist, and have used the tools of fear and isolation to get their job done. Even a member of the “governing body” (Franz) left the organization because he genuinely felt bad for the direction the organization had taken and the unsavory effects it had on peoples lives. Jesus Christ never would have turned his back to anyone because he was the definition of love. The JW organization has spent the past century destroying lives, isolating people, and seperating families. Your family is NOT an isolated incident…it is one more casualty of the JW machine that continues to consume anyone and anything that steps in front of it. Ask through prayer for the strength to deal with the events that you may be struggling with in regards to your wife and help will be on the way for you and your children. Don’t let these people beat you down because you will only be satisfying their hunger for control. Only God has total control and he will be there for you if you ask. Your family is in my prayers.

Well, greetings friends! I forgot all about this post and was surprised at the responses. First off, I just want to clarify a few things…To BLooper, you must be a practicing witness because I see I may have offended you. **YAWN** Do I think I’m an insightful person, I would have to say so. I’m not the smartest person on the planet, but I do my research before I lay claim. **YAWN** Do I think the witnesses are out to get me, no. In fact I don’t give them much thought at all. I was surfing for entertainment purposes and stumbled across this page and decided to drop an opinion. **YAWN** Simple as that really. Issues? I have typical life issues, nothing too special. Work, bills, **YAWN** swimming right along like everyone else I guess. Pretty much content. **YAWN** And thank you for recognizing my “outstanding” relationship with God. Not that my personal relationship with anyone or anything is YOUR personal business, but it truly is “outstanding”. Thanks again. **YAWN** Did jehovah teach you to tell people to “get a life”? Is that what your god has taught you in regards to the treatment of others? Is that how Christ would have reacted? Isn’t it your responsibility as a “witness of jehovah” to teach and bring people closer to him instead of alienating someone or acting in a fashion that could stumble someone? **YAWN** The ANONYMOUS comment from 2/28/07 took the right approach. They didn’t agree with my opinion and had a right to post a response because it is a public forum. The difference is they took the christian approach and laid forth explanations they had found within the bible instead of letting their personal emotions get in the way. ANONYMOUS ACTUALLY WITNESSED TO ME! Their genuine caring words were actually listened to and appreciated that they took the time out of their day to worry about the well-being of another. You can guarantee their response didn’t stumble anyone, and I would say that if someone maybe had a bad feeling about the witnesses, ANONYMOUS certainly may have proved those bad theories wrong. You added to the image of the witnesses. You may want to contact ANONYMOUS and take some sheperding call lessons and stop being so confrontational. First of all, I never claimed to be a witness, so I have a little more space in regards to how I talk or use words. You’re the one who is supposed to be acting in a christian fashion, and all you did was make yourself look like a buffoon. **YAWN**

This man questioning them is very stupid. He knew how the people were before he joined. Also, this story is biased. The people do not do what they did to him just because they can. He must of had done a lot of evil.

“People in the world that volunteer many hours weekly to teach about God”, what planet do you come from, kingdom hall? Since when is selling propaganda magazines for the publishing company “Watchtower” teaching about God?

You have been publishing for nearly 200 years and spending so many hours (as according to you) and still you have not preached in all the inhabited earth. By this rate you will need another 200 years with NOTHING happening. Now, which one is which?

The bible was written for all honest hearted people that want to have an approved relationship with God, and Jehovah’s Witnneses so far are the only group that LIVE what the bible REALLY teaches. So sorry you feel that way, but it is the truth!

First of all, they did not lie. The wild best with it’s” ten horns”- ten represents completeness, therefore indicating ALL man made governments. The wild beast is symbolic of all man made governments, these governments are standing in opposition to Jehovah’s Soverienty -HIS right to rule. In the beginning there was only one government – Jehovah’s untill rebellion by Satan, Adam and Eve caused Jehovah to allow man to try every form of government , and, of course mans government has failed miserably and has caused so much hurt,death and destruction. So man, in one last effort to bring pease and security to earth established the League of Nations (” was”) that didn’t work ( “but is not”) United Nations ( “what will be present” ) is an entity put in place to TRY and unify governments – which has failed measerably. Thus it is rightly and accuratlly portrayed as the ” wild beast” that oppress and sacrifice millions of lives with terrible blood shad and Jehovah need to and WILL bring it to destruction so HIS original purpose for the earth and and mankind will bring blessings to mankind.

I see you still use the name Jehovah to identity the only TRUE God, where did you learn it and what religious group uses it? ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses. My heart aches for you, you have allowed Satan to turnish your heart and remove it far from God. If your relationship with God was so great than you wouldn’t use the language that you use nor would you speak in a manner like you do. Your heart is full of hatred. One thing for sure, you can search the whole world over and you will NEVER find a religion that uses God’s name Jehovah and His word the bible to the extent that Jehovah’s Witnesses does. Nor will you find people the world over that VOLUNTEER many hours weekly to teach people about God.You will never find another group of prople with the bible knowledge that Jehovah’s Witness have. And if you were raised in the Truth you know that what is taught is the truth. You know it is! You see bible porphesies being fulfilled (read Mathew chapter 24) Mathew 24:14 “This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a Witness to all the nations, and then the end will com.” Sounds like Jehovah choose the Witnesses to fill that one!!!

It sounds as if you just wanted to do your own thing and serve God in a manner best fitting to you and not according to His (Jehovah’s) standards.

The Unity and the love found among Jehovah’s people is definitely an identifying mark .

It is a privilege to serve Jehovah!

James,
You are doing nothing to draw those lost JW’s to the truth. You are proving what they say all of the time>>>THE “WORLD” is lost. Your rude comments & obscene launguage is not the right way to show people, who HONESTLY think they are right, any differently. How do you help the truly lost w/ anger & curses? Jesus would show LOVE in abundance & patience to a confused people>>>HIS heart breaks for them & any who are lost. HE came to die for EVERYONE.

Keep knocking & surrender>>>GOD DOES answer, but not always in the way we want. His ways are above our ways & as long as we are seeking HIS KINGDOM FIRST, ALL other things will be added to you. Be encouraged, God loves you & values you. HE wants what is best for you, even more than you do.

Your email was so sarcastic, not God loving at all. To make an impact on people, we must check our hearts & deal w/ things as Jesus would. Rudeness & sarcasm have no place in “helping” anyone & definately not the way God would handle things. The Bible says “You will be known by the LOVE amoung yourselves.” Love is of the most valuable importance & w/out it you have nothing. “Judge, lest you be judged.” “If you do not forgive, then you neither shall be forgiven.” “Let you who is w/out sin cast the 1st stone.” I pray that a Godly love take you over so that you may know the love of God & be able to recieve it & give it.

Thomas, stop looking so hard. Sometimes you’d be surprised what is right in front of you that you somehow overlooked. Taste the essence, it is there. You’ll be fine my friend.

This video of the doorstep disfellowshipping would have been nauseating to watch if it wasn’t so funny! I don’t know any of these people in the video, but if I had some little puppy dog of a man with his grandpa delivering me news of that nature…I don’t think I could have handled it as well as the disfellowshipped “brother” did. I would have been rolling in the snow laughing my ass off! As someone who was raised in the “truth” from the time I was three until I decided at sixteen I had had enough of going to that shithole every tuesday, thursday, and sunday…Let me break it down for you. My parents were weak and sucked in just like everyone else who makes a career out of this movement. I can say this because I was a knee level bystander who observed it as it happened. I never asked to be a member but inherently became one because it is an all or nothing situation. If your parents are in-you’re in. Each congregation has at least one fat cat elder who sits at the top. This person is usually from a long family line of witnesses. You know who they are in your congregation, don’t pretend like you don’t know! The entire congregation tip toes around this fat cat as if he were Christ himself in person running the congregation. Underneath the grip of this fat cat are the other elders, usually his sons, son-in-laws, and various other flunkies who have paid with their souls to be in this elite group. That’s who you see in the video…you don’t see the fat cat doing the dirty work of disfellowshipping a “brother”, it’s probably his son-in-law or just some average joe elder who’ll have hell to pay if he doesn’t accept the responsibility and do the deed. Meanwhile the rest of them are sitting back at the “kingdom hall” puffing their chests and patting each other on the shoulder for being great warriors for Jehovah. What a load of shit! During my history there I saw way too much! If you had money and were supposedly a someone you were treated like royalty, and the poor always got the obligatory “how are you my brother or sister” in passing. I saw children brutalized in the name of discipline. I saw people doing filthy things behind the backs of others. I saw homosexuals and child molesters welcomed with opened arms because everyone had their heads shoved so far up their ass to realize who these people really were. At sixteen I decided if these were Gods children and they were the chosen ones to inherit ever-lasting life…I didn’t want to live forever. Not with these pukes. There are two types of Jehovahs Witnesses:(1)Wolves in sheep clothing who utilize the religion to control because they couldn’t control anything in the “real” world, and(2)God loving people who are too duped to realize that they are being had. On top of all that, the entire organization is dictated to by a bunch of faceless pussies that call themselves the governing body, a governing body that you the member have no access to personally when you are in a time of need or when you’re being mistreated or railroaded by the bullies in your local congregation. And it is in EVERY congregation! I say to you the member that knows in his or her heart that there is something wrong…walk away and continue to love your God because he so loves you. And to those of you who know what you are doing is wrong…Jehovah has already put his finger down upon you. As I said in the beginning, I was merely an observer for most of my youth. My family was well enough off that I did not endure the shunning the not so fortunate had to live through. I was never disfellowshipped because I was never baptized, but at the age of eighteen I was disassociated. I was not someone who bought into the pipedream, devoted my entire life to the cause, and was disfellowshipped and am now bitter about it. I was merely an observer who had enough common sense to walk away when I could, and that was when I was old enough. That was twenty some years ago, and my relationship with God has flourished ever since. I am not a member of any organized religion, and I have been blessed to feel his presence. I hope those of you reading this will be fortunate enough to know when you’re being duped by men so that you can truly focus more time towards building a true relationship with your God. Best wishes in that journey.

First off. Any religion that rejects someone is all to exclusive. I find that after careful study of the JW and their perversion of scripture to confuse and trick people into their way of thinking is an aweful sin. They are preying on innocent people inparticular souls that need a true savior. Although, some of their lifestyle choices are verymuch pulled from true Christianity, their core doctrines are extremely misguided. There is no perfect church as people who make up the church are not perfect, we have the hope of a better day and days after Christs return. Until then we should not shun or reject someone based on their lifestyle or something they did, rather we should reach out to them in true Christian love and pray for them. Unconditional love is what the Bible teaches. If JW ever had hope of reaching this young exmemeber, they have certainly lost it and it appears that he is well on his way to make sure none of his friends and family are swindled into an organization, rather that they are led to the belief and understanding that Jesus came to save the lost and provide and way for eternal life through his death, burial and resurrection and can live with the hope that they will be with Him in Paradise (Heaven) after they die or if Christ return before their death. I pray for the JW in my area and am impressed with their conviction to go door to door. More true Christians should do the same.

youre wrong!

are we not,we not ,we not———–are we not,we not, we not?

Bow down to the one whom we serve.

The recent Jehovah’s Witness worldwide message tract:THE END OF FALSE RELIGION IS NEAR,mentions the wild beast of revelation 17:8 and for an explanation of that beast it gives reference to the Watchtower Society’s book : REVELATION CLIMAX. The Revelation Climax book says that the wild beast of revelation 17:8 is the United Nations and that the United Nations Organization and world governments are going to destroy false religion. (Only Jehovah’s Witnesses will be spared.) Many may remember studying this book with Jehovah’s Witnesses. I do.(It was studied at least 3 times at the Jw book study over the course of several years.)
However, if we read revelation17:8 we will see that the wild beast cannot possibly be the United Nations.
Let’s begin with the New International Version.
“The beast ,which you saw,once was,now is not,and will come up out of the abyss and go to his destruction.
The inhabitants of earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.”
-revelation 17:8 (NIV)
I was thunderstruck when I first read this in the NIV.
I looked up this scripture in the New World Translation (standard JW bible) and noticed that although it was worded slightly differently, it had the same meaning as the NIV.
WAS always refers to the past.(ONCE WAS)
IS always refers to the present.(NOW IS) (NOW IS NOT)
Revelation was written almost 2000 years ago. The beast had been on the scene sometime prior to the writing of revelation(ONCE WAS), but was in the abyss when revelation was written(NOW IS NOT).
The League of Nations was established in 1920. The United Nations was established in 1945.
Wouldn’t it be better for the Watchtower to say that they don’t know what or who the wild beast is… instead of lying about it?
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tHE wATCHTOWER PREACHES THAT ONLY THEY ARE PERFECT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS” SATAN’S ORGANIZATION “

My husband is a JW and he pays for the magizines. Can you explain that ?

cOULD IT BE YOUR NOT SUPPOSE TO GO TO THESE SITES IS SO YOU DON’T LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION ?

go back to africa to your family and stay there

I would not cross the ocean to find out

the point I was making is another one. there are always two sides of a story. do not judge if you do not have all the elements and do not know all the facts.

people do not get disfelloshipped for denying the receipt of three letters. (with this I am not saying that the elders were right in disfellowshipping the guy).

To jeanV, I’m sorry you feel that way. If you are in Wisconsin someday you can visit the Marshfield Congregation and meet Bob and Dennis. I’m sure they will tell you that it was not setup

those who judge the situation based on a 3min video are not better than the two elders in the video.

the elders book is available online and there instructions are quite clear.

it may be that the elders did not follow them, as it may be that the video is a fake (I could make one of better quality without any difficulty).

drawing conclusions without having all the facts is not a sign of great wisdom.

Disfellowshiping is immoral and unchristian. All JW’s who have disowned (disfellowshiped) family members and friends for imperfections deserve neither. Take a look in the mirror once in a while and get off your high horse. JW’s are some of the most immoral and hypocritical people I’ve ever met and I hope you are all smited soon. Jesus Christ would be ashamed. You all fornicate, lie, cheat, and abuse substances like the rest of the human race but like to believe you’re something different. But its okay because your abused and ignored family members will be the burden on your back while you all burn in hell. All versions of the distorted King James bible teach that no one is perfect. Not even you. But you sure will abandon anyone for the slightest trespass. I hope you all disfellowship eachother and your religion is disbanned.

No talor or taylor, I am not serving God first. In order to do that I would have to be a witness and sell magazines for the WT. I think that in your little mind that is a more important job than helping the ones in need, right???

It is a sad day in history when your way of reasoning comes this low.

Taylor, listen here you idiot we are really tired of same rhetoric shit that (jw’s do not sell magazines.)
NO, the magazines ARE NOT free! Once a person gives something as free and thereafter asks for money in return it is no longer free, but a sale without taxes.
Example: “I bought you this car for your birthday, would you care to give a donation?”
“Sweetheart, I have a book for you, would you care to give a donation?”
Taylor, are you so blindly stupid that you cannot see what is behind it???

I that happens,they would hold ther meetings in holms and still do the preaching work.

I am proud of you for helping your community and there is nothing wrong with that,But are you serving god to the fullest and puting him first.At the end that is what really matter doesent it.

JW does not sell there magazines,but you can make a donation’if you want to’.

I think he was tring to make the jw look bad,That was very wrong.I belive you did recive those letters and was just wating for them to come to your house and if you didnt show up for those meetings with the elders than you didnt care anyway. You also know what you did and you know why you where disfelloshiped. not only that but you had qustions written down already for them.this was nothing but a thought out way for you to make them look bad.mabey you should look at your life and find out why you werer disfellowshiped and maybe you can turn your life around.
ps-JEHOVAH STILL LOVES YOU.

Yep that is a shame, a shame for the WT as they have one less peddler to sell their crappy magazines.

I thought that this video was somewhat funny. The man being disfellowshipped claimed that he knew nothing about it; he never got a letter and did not know what he was being disfellowshipped for. If that were true, he would not have been prepared for the news with a video camera. The man who was disfellowshipped did know what the problem was, did know about the meetings, did know that he was going to be disfellowshipped. He decided to record the final decision in hopes to make Jehovah’s Witnesses “look bad.” Thats a shame!!

Markus that is a very bad analogy, you can never compare fishing with golf. Yes, it is kind of dumb when you go fishing and you put the fish back in the water. That is as dumb as going field service from door to door. NO. NOT REALLY! LOL
As for these morons (witnesses) they will just believe any crap that comes out of the WT.
Markus, were we really this stupid when we were connected to the circuit board?
Man am I ever glad I am out.

Sorry to disappoint you James but that day will never come. Witnesses are just too well brainwashed and whatever propaganda the WT prints the mindless robots will just believe it as coming from God.
Sad but true, the WT will never run out of money. Witnesses will take it from their children’s mouths and education to give it to the false prophet WT. For a non profitable group they are doing extremely well. I actually think they are the Bill Gates of the religion. All of these despite the lies and false prophesies that never materialized.

How gullible can people be? How can they lie repeatedly to these poor souls and yet everything will be believed. James were we that credulous when we were part of the flock?

I see that Jehovallah is back again, this time I will ignore the twit.

Hope things are going well with you.