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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-27689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@gg  &lt;/a&gt; 
  I am not suicidal. However I feel torn apart by my treasoness behaviour. I was DF,d about ten years ago for wrongdoing, namely smoking and gambling. I dont fault the brothers at all. They were kind and  sought to extend help through counsel from Gods word. I truly believe that is the norm for most elders in trying to help the friends when they succumb to God dishonoring practices. There are times though were council is not given properly, and decisions are arrived at hastily. Jehovah will judge us all, especially those who are in lead positions. My depression and unworthy feelings come from being sucked into the anti witness propaganda machine that is rampant on the internet. The information out there is diverse. From claiming that the watchtower is the so called &quot;man of lawlesness&quot;, and that the &quot;org&quot; will come crumbling down soon, to that of, they have everything wrong, and truth can be found elsewhere, namely serving a triune God and going back to pagan beliefs, which is an outright lie and an insult to Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ. Yes I brought these problems on myself my hatred for myself runs deep. I wish I could get reinstated. But I feel I have been poisoned by those who have deliberatley set out to create this apostate revolution that has its tenacles wrapped around people who are upset about things they have undergone as a Jehovahs Witness. Unsuspecting ones who are weak have fallen prey to this hideous and prophecied practice of apostasy from Jehovah and his son. Yes I am undergoing pains for the way I have shared in this lie. People wake up!! You have been duped. I encourage you take the drastic steps of reexamining your belief system and return to Jehovah. I will do this as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-27689" rel="nofollow">@gg  </a><br />
  I am not suicidal. However I feel torn apart by my treasoness behaviour. I was DF,d about ten years ago for wrongdoing, namely smoking and gambling. I dont fault the brothers at all. They were kind and  sought to extend help through counsel from Gods word. I truly believe that is the norm for most elders in trying to help the friends when they succumb to God dishonoring practices. There are times though were council is not given properly, and decisions are arrived at hastily. Jehovah will judge us all, especially those who are in lead positions. My depression and unworthy feelings come from being sucked into the anti witness propaganda machine that is rampant on the internet. The information out there is diverse. From claiming that the watchtower is the so called &#8220;man of lawlesness&#8221;, and that the &#8220;org&#8221; will come crumbling down soon, to that of, they have everything wrong, and truth can be found elsewhere, namely serving a triune God and going back to pagan beliefs, which is an outright lie and an insult to Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ. Yes I brought these problems on myself my hatred for myself runs deep. I wish I could get reinstated. But I feel I have been poisoned by those who have deliberatley set out to create this apostate revolution that has its tenacles wrapped around people who are upset about things they have undergone as a Jehovahs Witness. Unsuspecting ones who are weak have fallen prey to this hideous and prophecied practice of apostasy from Jehovah and his son. Yes I am undergoing pains for the way I have shared in this lie. People wake up!! You have been duped. I encourage you take the drastic steps of reexamining your belief system and return to Jehovah. I will do this as well.</p>
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		<title>By: gg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 02:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>instead of trying to oppress the witnesses or the society, why dont you pick up a bible, read and understand it. there is no point in arguing in what religion is right or wrong. if you dont like something, then deal with it. FYI everyone can lie... EVERYONE... so stop pointing fingers and look at the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of trying to oppress the witnesses or the society, why dont you pick up a bible, read and understand it. there is no point in arguing in what religion is right or wrong. if you dont like something, then deal with it. FYI everyone can lie&#8230; EVERYONE&#8230; so stop pointing fingers and look at the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: gg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 02:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not all jw&#039;s are suicidal murderers. if you even knew a witness personally you can tell. most jw&#039;s are good people, but because of being imperfect, we cant do what is right all of the time. nobody can. just because this happened to witnesses does not mean that we are all like this. many witnesses try their best to be good people but its not going to work out 100% of the time.               Just so you know =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not all jw&#8217;s are suicidal murderers. if you even knew a witness personally you can tell. most jw&#8217;s are good people, but because of being imperfect, we cant do what is right all of the time. nobody can. just because this happened to witnesses does not mean that we are all like this. many witnesses try their best to be good people but its not going to work out 100% of the time.               Just so you know =)</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@markus you sound like you are braindied i dont need to go to the elders to look for some understanding i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@markus you sound like you are braindied i dont need to go to the elders to look for some understanding i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@markus &quot;each one should be put to death for his own sin&quot; ask whatever,s shadow obout how did she understud that sin can be inhereted she said if her father was a thief it does not mean that she will be a thief also and that if her father die and leave a car she can inheret that car offcouse it does not mean that if your father was a thief you will be a thief also that is not a sin that can be inhereted a sin is what couses you to grow old get sick and die even baby die couse of that imperfection, sin is in your body causing all kind of weakness in your body that is  even beang a thief is causes by imperfection in  your body that is why if your father is a thief you can not pay for his sin 

...................................................................................
but there is sin that that is for a father a son die for also read daniel 6 give attetion to verse 24 those poor woman there were at home with thier kids when thier husbung started planing these deviant things but they have to die for it as whole family</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@markus &#8220;each one should be put to death for his own sin&#8221; ask whatever,s shadow obout how did she understud that sin can be inhereted she said if her father was a thief it does not mean that she will be a thief also and that if her father die and leave a car she can inheret that car offcouse it does not mean that if your father was a thief you will be a thief also that is not a sin that can be inhereted a sin is what couses you to grow old get sick and die even baby die couse of that imperfection, sin is in your body causing all kind of weakness in your body that is  even beang a thief is causes by imperfection in  your body that is why if your father is a thief you can not pay for his sin </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
but there is sin that that is for a father a son die for also read daniel 6 give attetion to verse 24 those poor woman there were at home with thier kids when thier husbung started planing these deviant things but they have to die for it as whole family</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@petra 

If you think the Bible says we will inherit sin from our farther&#039;s will you please explain Deut 24:16 for me. A slight but important contradiction perhaps?

Cheers,
Markus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@petra </p>
<p>If you think the Bible says we will inherit sin from our farther&#8217;s will you please explain Deut 24:16 for me. A slight but important contradiction perhaps?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@whatever,s shadow
please grow a brain yourself cause from your coment you are very much prematurite
who told you that we inheret sin from our parent. please ask and lissten carefully about what is sin or just do resech yourself to understand what is sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@whatever,s shadow<br />
please grow a brain yourself cause from your coment you are very much prematurite<br />
who told you that we inheret sin from our parent. please ask and lissten carefully about what is sin or just do resech yourself to understand what is sin.</p>
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		<title>By: heather truckey</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather truckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melik,

I&#039;m 35 yrs old and am finally in therapy as well. Years over due.  I was df&#039;d when I was 22/23.  When I read what you wrote I felt like it was something I had written.... 

I&#039;m just starting to make my own decisions and to grow up.  I too have struggled with addictions.  Last year was the first time I understood how old I was.  It&#039;s a hard reality.  

My father died when i was 14 (I watched it happen-sledding accident) and mom 9 months after I was df&#039;d for telling on myself again.  My mom trained me to view them as telling my dad whatever I did wrong.  I told myself, I&#039;d rather be punished now then later.... and I wasn&#039;t a bad kid.  I realise now just how normal and actually innocent I was.... they stole that from me.

I can still hear the elder Brother Selesky say &quot;I don&#039;t want to have to tell your father why you aren&#039;t here&quot; (new system).  What a nice thing to tell a 15 yr old child.  Talk about a guilt trip to be perfect.

Who in that cruel religion reached out to help me or my mother BEFORE I was df&#039;d?  Who stepped up in the JW&#039;s and looked after widows and orphans?  

One man would talk to me at meetings until ppl started talking... I viewed him as a male father figure... He told me at one meeting &quot;People are talking, my wife is jealous, we can&#039;t talk like we used to and we can&#039;t go out in service together anymore.  I&#039;m sorry...&quot;  He&#039;s the only one who secretly reached out to me after mom died.  He was a good man.

I could go on and on and on about things Elder&#039;s wifes said about me.... One example -  Working at the kingdom hall after service (or the meeting) one afternoon I helped plant trees.  Some of the kids said keep patting down the dirt, harder, harder... so I did.  (I lived w/3 other sisters). I didn&#039;t see that it had just been watered then covered with dirt.  Tom Emerson&#039;s wife said &quot;she deserved it (my foot got covered in mud of course) if she&#039;s that stupid.&quot;  I heard her say that. I was ok, I&#039;m a big girl, I can take a joke... until I heard her say that about me. After cleaning myself up, crying in the bathroom, I got over it and went back outside to paint I believe it was. 

I&#039;ve been stumbled so many times by my brother who refuses to let me meet his 4 yr old son, etc. etc.  I may just write a book.  

I put names here because I would love for them to read this (if they are googled-how i found this page) and have to remember.

Would they feel any guilt?  

Ok, that was off the subject a bit... 

Heather T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melik,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 35 yrs old and am finally in therapy as well. Years over due.  I was df&#8217;d when I was 22/23.  When I read what you wrote I felt like it was something I had written&#8230;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just starting to make my own decisions and to grow up.  I too have struggled with addictions.  Last year was the first time I understood how old I was.  It&#8217;s a hard reality.  </p>
<p>My father died when i was 14 (I watched it happen-sledding accident) and mom 9 months after I was df&#8217;d for telling on myself again.  My mom trained me to view them as telling my dad whatever I did wrong.  I told myself, I&#8217;d rather be punished now then later&#8230;. and I wasn&#8217;t a bad kid.  I realise now just how normal and actually innocent I was&#8230;. they stole that from me.</p>
<p>I can still hear the elder Brother Selesky say &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to have to tell your father why you aren&#8217;t here&#8221; (new system).  What a nice thing to tell a 15 yr old child.  Talk about a guilt trip to be perfect.</p>
<p>Who in that cruel religion reached out to help me or my mother BEFORE I was df&#8217;d?  Who stepped up in the JW&#8217;s and looked after widows and orphans?  </p>
<p>One man would talk to me at meetings until ppl started talking&#8230; I viewed him as a male father figure&#8230; He told me at one meeting &#8220;People are talking, my wife is jealous, we can&#8217;t talk like we used to and we can&#8217;t go out in service together anymore.  I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;&#8221;  He&#8217;s the only one who secretly reached out to me after mom died.  He was a good man.</p>
<p>I could go on and on and on about things Elder&#8217;s wifes said about me&#8230;. One example &#8211;  Working at the kingdom hall after service (or the meeting) one afternoon I helped plant trees.  Some of the kids said keep patting down the dirt, harder, harder&#8230; so I did.  (I lived w/3 other sisters). I didn&#8217;t see that it had just been watered then covered with dirt.  Tom Emerson&#8217;s wife said &#8220;she deserved it (my foot got covered in mud of course) if she&#8217;s that stupid.&#8221;  I heard her say that. I was ok, I&#8217;m a big girl, I can take a joke&#8230; until I heard her say that about me. After cleaning myself up, crying in the bathroom, I got over it and went back outside to paint I believe it was. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been stumbled so many times by my brother who refuses to let me meet his 4 yr old son, etc. etc.  I may just write a book.  </p>
<p>I put names here because I would love for them to read this (if they are googled-how i found this page) and have to remember.</p>
<p>Would they feel any guilt?  </p>
<p>Ok, that was off the subject a bit&#8230; </p>
<p>Heather T.</p>
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		<title>By: fri</title>
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		<dc:creator>fri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you saying person, only jw&#039;s witnesses tell the truth and the rest is all lies???

Please do remove your head from the wt&#039;s ass. It is time you learn how to see things clearly and smell better too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you saying person, only jw&#8217;s witnesses tell the truth and the rest is all lies???</p>
<p>Please do remove your head from the wt&#8217;s ass. It is time you learn how to see things clearly and smell better too.</p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the true story, apostates making this up like always</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the true story, apostates making this up like always</p>
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