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		<title>By: otto marconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto marconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-11264&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Markus  &lt;/a&gt; Dear Markus, your post exemplifies how the Towers of All Terrors reduce already degraded and deformed cockroaches (e.g. petraWhore) into ridiculous and laughable laughing stocks. It&#039;s fantastic how the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger makes the point we&#039;re trying to make here much better than our own words. ah ah ah ah ah ah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-11264" rel="nofollow">@Markus  </a> Dear Markus, your post exemplifies how the Towers of All Terrors reduce already degraded and deformed cockroaches (e.g. petraWhore) into ridiculous and laughable laughing stocks. It&#8217;s fantastic how the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger makes the point we&#8217;re trying to make here much better than our own words. ah ah ah ah ah ah</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@petra

I realize English is not your home language, perhaps it is a dialect of Shona, which most mid African countries have dialects of. I speak Zulu and can write a little of it but I would never make an idiot of myself trying, pray tell me what the meaning of: &quot;i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats.....&quot;. 
Even a total neutral will note you are going against all ideals of any basic decent human ideology.
I know all your &#039;plant of books&#039; are Watchtower publications, and what these do is plainly grind you further into the quagmire you do not realize you are in.
Read some good material, and despite what you are told they are good honest books without even a hint of Satan&#039;s influence.
Read some Richard Dawkins, a lot of his thinking and interviews can be seen on line. 
&quot;Jehovah Unmasked&quot; By Nathienel Merrit. This rare but outstanding book will have to be ordered on line in your country.
Check out Atheist experience on you tube.
See if you can get hold of &quot;Crisis of Conscience&quot; by Ray Frans, a former high ranker at Bethel New York.

You will find and observe just as I did that you are making the Watchtower Society rich and they do not give a toss about you. They will gladly fuck up your whole family so that you can earn them a few cents a month.

Cheers,
Markus

PS Better you do this secretly because if you are found out you will be doomed, but if you are not, trust me you will be free for the rest of your life. It is your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@petra</p>
<p>I realize English is not your home language, perhaps it is a dialect of Shona, which most mid African countries have dialects of. I speak Zulu and can write a little of it but I would never make an idiot of myself trying, pray tell me what the meaning of: &#8220;i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats&#8230;..&#8221;.<br />
Even a total neutral will note you are going against all ideals of any basic decent human ideology.<br />
I know all your &#8216;plant of books&#8217; are Watchtower publications, and what these do is plainly grind you further into the quagmire you do not realize you are in.<br />
Read some good material, and despite what you are told they are good honest books without even a hint of Satan&#8217;s influence.<br />
Read some Richard Dawkins, a lot of his thinking and interviews can be seen on line.<br />
&#8220;Jehovah Unmasked&#8221; By Nathienel Merrit. This rare but outstanding book will have to be ordered on line in your country.<br />
Check out Atheist experience on you tube.<br />
See if you can get hold of &#8220;Crisis of Conscience&#8221; by Ray Frans, a former high ranker at Bethel New York.</p>
<p>You will find and observe just as I did that you are making the Watchtower Society rich and they do not give a toss about you. They will gladly fuck up your whole family so that you can earn them a few cents a month.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
<p>PS Better you do this secretly because if you are found out you will be doomed, but if you are not, trust me you will be free for the rest of your life. It is your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: otto marconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto marconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-11221&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@petra  &lt;/a&gt; Thank you petraWhore. Illuminating your reply to Markus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-11221" rel="nofollow">@petra  </a> Thank you petraWhore. Illuminating your reply to Markus.</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@markus you sound like you are braindied i dont need to go to the elders to look for some understanding i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@markus you sound like you are braindied i dont need to go to the elders to look for some understanding i have plant of books to do reseach myself well enjoy what you can while you will die like rats</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>petra
Your answer is pure proof of a non-understanding or more likely a brainwashed person. You are told or dictated to that we are born in sin because of the myth of Adam and Eve. In other words we must die because Adam or rather Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. This is very clear in the JW and most Christian dogma. Now what part of Deut 24:16 do you NOT understand?
The scripture reads: Fathers should not be put to death on account of children, and children should not be put to death on account of fathers. Each one should be put to death for his own sin. 
Which part of CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE PUT TO DEATH ON ACCOUNT OF FATHERS do you not understand? It says oh so clearly that if Adam fucked up, we cannot be punished.
I am not making this up, read your Bible and draw a conclusion. Be honest, the text speaks for itself, now go to your elder where you will be told some dogmatic horsecrap which you will immediately believe because you have this cowardly and absurd notion that you are going to live forever and we will die like rats in a flooded basement just like in the myth of Noah.

Cheers,
Markus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>petra<br />
Your answer is pure proof of a non-understanding or more likely a brainwashed person. You are told or dictated to that we are born in sin because of the myth of Adam and Eve. In other words we must die because Adam or rather Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. This is very clear in the JW and most Christian dogma. Now what part of Deut 24:16 do you NOT understand?<br />
The scripture reads: Fathers should not be put to death on account of children, and children should not be put to death on account of fathers. Each one should be put to death for his own sin.<br />
Which part of CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE PUT TO DEATH ON ACCOUNT OF FATHERS do you not understand? It says oh so clearly that if Adam fucked up, we cannot be punished.<br />
I am not making this up, read your Bible and draw a conclusion. Be honest, the text speaks for itself, now go to your elder where you will be told some dogmatic horsecrap which you will immediately believe because you have this cowardly and absurd notion that you are going to live forever and we will die like rats in a flooded basement just like in the myth of Noah.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@markus &quot;each one should be put to death for his own sin&quot; ask whatever,s shadow obout how did she understud that sin can be inhereted she said if her father was a thief it does not mean that she will be a thief also and that if her father die and leave a car she can inheret that car offcouse it does not mean that if your father was a thief you will be a thief also that is not a sin that can be inhereted a sin is what couses you to grow old get sick and die even baby die couse of that imperfection, sin is in your body causing all kind of weakness in your body that is  even beang a thief is causes by imperfection in  your body that is why if your father is a thief you can not pay for his sin 

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but there is sin that that is for a father a son die for also read daniel 6 give attetion to verse 24 those poor woman there were at home with thier kids when thier husbung started planing these deviant things but they have to die for it as whole family</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@markus &#8220;each one should be put to death for his own sin&#8221; ask whatever,s shadow obout how did she understud that sin can be inhereted she said if her father was a thief it does not mean that she will be a thief also and that if her father die and leave a car she can inheret that car offcouse it does not mean that if your father was a thief you will be a thief also that is not a sin that can be inhereted a sin is what couses you to grow old get sick and die even baby die couse of that imperfection, sin is in your body causing all kind of weakness in your body that is  even beang a thief is causes by imperfection in  your body that is why if your father is a thief you can not pay for his sin </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
but there is sin that that is for a father a son die for also read daniel 6 give attetion to verse 24 those poor woman there were at home with thier kids when thier husbung started planing these deviant things but they have to die for it as whole family</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@petra 

If you think the Bible says we will inherit sin from our farther&#039;s will you please explain Deut 24:16 for me. A slight but important contradiction perhaps?

Cheers,
Markus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@petra </p>
<p>If you think the Bible says we will inherit sin from our farther&#8217;s will you please explain Deut 24:16 for me. A slight but important contradiction perhaps?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
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		<title>By: petra</title>
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		<dc:creator>petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@whatever,s shadow
please grow a brain yourself cause from your coment you are very much prematurite
who told you that we inheret sin from our parent. please ask and lissten carefully about what is sin or just do resech yourself to understand what is sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@whatever,s shadow<br />
please grow a brain yourself cause from your coment you are very much prematurite<br />
who told you that we inheret sin from our parent. please ask and lissten carefully about what is sin or just do resech yourself to understand what is sin.</p>
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		<title>By: otto marconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto marconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-8576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@heather truckey  &lt;/a&gt; ARMAGEDDON, IMAGES FROM HAITI AND JEHOVAH-THE-SHIT. 
Dear all, no further comments after seeing what&#039;s going on in Haiti. But just image that the same scenario is advocated, longed for, prayed for by all JEHOVORDURES the slaves of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. All this scum wanna see the same massacre, genocide, planetary carnage bloodbath all over the world hitting all kinds of people, babies, unborn, special need kids and what have you.
But why? would you ask...well just because humankind as a whole refuses to turn into the worst kind of scummish depraved perverse filthy bloodthirsty and cum-thirsty sludge devils ever:  the worshippers of the SHIT, namely JEHOVAH AKA JEHOWHORE AKA JEHOVORDURE. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-8576" rel="nofollow">@heather truckey  </a> ARMAGEDDON, IMAGES FROM HAITI AND JEHOVAH-THE-SHIT.<br />
Dear all, no further comments after seeing what&#8217;s going on in Haiti. But just image that the same scenario is advocated, longed for, prayed for by all JEHOVORDURES the slaves of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. All this scum wanna see the same massacre, genocide, planetary carnage bloodbath all over the world hitting all kinds of people, babies, unborn, special need kids and what have you.<br />
But why? would you ask&#8230;well just because humankind as a whole refuses to turn into the worst kind of scummish depraved perverse filthy bloodthirsty and cum-thirsty sludge devils ever:  the worshippers of the SHIT, namely JEHOVAH AKA JEHOWHORE AKA JEHOVORDURE. Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: heather truckey</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather truckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melik,

I&#039;m 35 yrs old and am finally in therapy as well. Years over due.  I was df&#039;d when I was 22/23.  When I read what you wrote I felt like it was something I had written.... 

I&#039;m just starting to make my own decisions and to grow up.  I too have struggled with addictions.  Last year was the first time I understood how old I was.  It&#039;s a hard reality.  

My father died when i was 14 (I watched it happen-sledding accident) and mom 9 months after I was df&#039;d for telling on myself again.  My mom trained me to view them as telling my dad whatever I did wrong.  I told myself, I&#039;d rather be punished now then later.... and I wasn&#039;t a bad kid.  I realise now just how normal and actually innocent I was.... they stole that from me.

I can still hear the elder Brother Selesky say &quot;I don&#039;t want to have to tell your father why you aren&#039;t here&quot; (new system).  What a nice thing to tell a 15 yr old child.  Talk about a guilt trip to be perfect.

Who in that cruel religion reached out to help me or my mother BEFORE I was df&#039;d?  Who stepped up in the JW&#039;s and looked after widows and orphans?  

One man would talk to me at meetings until ppl started talking... I viewed him as a male father figure... He told me at one meeting &quot;People are talking, my wife is jealous, we can&#039;t talk like we used to and we can&#039;t go out in service together anymore.  I&#039;m sorry...&quot;  He&#039;s the only one who secretly reached out to me after mom died.  He was a good man.

I could go on and on and on about things Elder&#039;s wifes said about me.... One example -  Working at the kingdom hall after service (or the meeting) one afternoon I helped plant trees.  Some of the kids said keep patting down the dirt, harder, harder... so I did.  (I lived w/3 other sisters). I didn&#039;t see that it had just been watered then covered with dirt.  Tom Emerson&#039;s wife said &quot;she deserved it (my foot got covered in mud of course) if she&#039;s that stupid.&quot;  I heard her say that. I was ok, I&#039;m a big girl, I can take a joke... until I heard her say that about me. After cleaning myself up, crying in the bathroom, I got over it and went back outside to paint I believe it was. 

I&#039;ve been stumbled so many times by my brother who refuses to let me meet his 4 yr old son, etc. etc.  I may just write a book.  

I put names here because I would love for them to read this (if they are googled-how i found this page) and have to remember.

Would they feel any guilt?  

Ok, that was off the subject a bit... 

Heather T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melik,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 35 yrs old and am finally in therapy as well. Years over due.  I was df&#8217;d when I was 22/23.  When I read what you wrote I felt like it was something I had written&#8230;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just starting to make my own decisions and to grow up.  I too have struggled with addictions.  Last year was the first time I understood how old I was.  It&#8217;s a hard reality.  </p>
<p>My father died when i was 14 (I watched it happen-sledding accident) and mom 9 months after I was df&#8217;d for telling on myself again.  My mom trained me to view them as telling my dad whatever I did wrong.  I told myself, I&#8217;d rather be punished now then later&#8230;. and I wasn&#8217;t a bad kid.  I realise now just how normal and actually innocent I was&#8230;. they stole that from me.</p>
<p>I can still hear the elder Brother Selesky say &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to have to tell your father why you aren&#8217;t here&#8221; (new system).  What a nice thing to tell a 15 yr old child.  Talk about a guilt trip to be perfect.</p>
<p>Who in that cruel religion reached out to help me or my mother BEFORE I was df&#8217;d?  Who stepped up in the JW&#8217;s and looked after widows and orphans?  </p>
<p>One man would talk to me at meetings until ppl started talking&#8230; I viewed him as a male father figure&#8230; He told me at one meeting &#8220;People are talking, my wife is jealous, we can&#8217;t talk like we used to and we can&#8217;t go out in service together anymore.  I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;&#8221;  He&#8217;s the only one who secretly reached out to me after mom died.  He was a good man.</p>
<p>I could go on and on and on about things Elder&#8217;s wifes said about me&#8230;. One example &#8211;  Working at the kingdom hall after service (or the meeting) one afternoon I helped plant trees.  Some of the kids said keep patting down the dirt, harder, harder&#8230; so I did.  (I lived w/3 other sisters). I didn&#8217;t see that it had just been watered then covered with dirt.  Tom Emerson&#8217;s wife said &#8220;she deserved it (my foot got covered in mud of course) if she&#8217;s that stupid.&#8221;  I heard her say that. I was ok, I&#8217;m a big girl, I can take a joke&#8230; until I heard her say that about me. After cleaning myself up, crying in the bathroom, I got over it and went back outside to paint I believe it was. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been stumbled so many times by my brother who refuses to let me meet his 4 yr old son, etc. etc.  I may just write a book.  </p>
<p>I put names here because I would love for them to read this (if they are googled-how i found this page) and have to remember.</p>
<p>Would they feel any guilt?  </p>
<p>Ok, that was off the subject a bit&#8230; </p>
<p>Heather T.</p>
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