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Watchtower Society visits Apostate Website!

February 27th, 2002 Leave a comment Go to comments

By Rado Vleugel
Webmaster Watchtower Information Service

The ancient Chinese tactic Sun Tzu who lived 2,500 years ago once said: “If you know your enemy and yourself, you will win every battle.” Even though the Watchtower Society (WTS) forbids its members to know their enemy, the Society itself listens to this old wisdom as shown by Watchtower Information Service’ site statistics. The WTS is a regular visitor of my site. Sometimes the brothers on Brooklyn Bethel visit my site on two successive days (see fig 1 & 2)!


Fig. 1 -Screenshot of Watchtower Information Service’s site statistics on 02-25-2002 (some parts are obscured)

wtbst.org (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) is a domain used by the WTS. There is currently no website available on www.wtbts.org

Domain info taken from www.allwhois.com:

wtbts.org
Request: wtbts.org

Registrant:
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (WTBTS-DOM)
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483
US


Fig. 2 -Screenshot of Watchtower Information Service’s site statistics on 02-26-2002 (some parts are obscured)

Although I don’t see the WTS as my enemy, Watchtower Information Service is, in the definition of the Watchtower, an apostate website. And an apostate is in the eyes of the Organisation a dangerous enemy. In the October 1, 1993 Watchtower on page 19 we read:

“Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become tome real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22) It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence. Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.”

From a tactical viewpoint it’s logical that the WTS is keeping an eye on apostate websites. I comprehend that. But it isn’t fair that some brothers on Brooklyn Bethel are allowed to monitor websites run by former Witnesses while the rank and file Jehovah’s Witnesses may not even touch so called apostate material. With buzz words like “spiritual pornography” and “dining at the table of demons”, Jehovah’s Witnesses are warned against information provided by former members and others who don’t share the doctrine of the Watchtower.

Will the brothers on Brooklyn Bethel also check the latest porn sites so that they are better prepared to give “spiritual food at the proper time” about the dangers of pornography…

Categories: JWs vs. the World
  1. ChrisPeper
    November 28th, 2011 at 18:32 | #1

    I have seen the dark side of this organization and it has altered me irrevocably. In 2004 I lived with a Jehovah’s Witness member that controlled me. It has taken me years to come to terms with the experience and I am still recovering from it. One tool that controlling originations’ like the Watchtower use is implied blackmail. The organization holds the records of sins members commit forever at Bethel. This creates a stronger bond between the cult and cult member.

  2. Brian W. Schrader
    July 30th, 2011 at 13:00 | #2

    Fighting apostasy and false doctrine is the duty of every Christian. If you sit back, say and do nothing, then you are effectively endorsing the lies.

    71 percent of Christian pastors are apostate, believing in false bibles, the false doctrine of dispensationalism, and the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture.

    I invite you to fight apostasy, I invite you to arm yourself, or, if you are still a victim, to free your mind of the modern Christian apostasy by listening to the Paltalk room, Answering the Apostasy of Modern bibles and More, at Paltalk.com. You can download the software to your computer, or simply go to Paltalk Express (http://www.paltalk.com/express/), create a user name and password, and then begin listening.

    Only through the blood of Jesus Christ do we enter into the true Israel of God (Galatians 3:26-29; Romans 9:6-8).

    Stop being an idolater, trusting in your pastor’s and other men’s interpretations of Scripture, trust instead in the Sole Authority, the Word of God.

  3. Markus
    May 12th, 2011 at 00:47 | #3

    Zak
    I suggest you do not even have one clue as to what the JW are about.
    If you care to reply to this I will share my reasoning.
    Cheers,
    Markus

  4. Jones
    May 11th, 2011 at 20:52 | #4

    What bible translation do you study?@Zak Mitchel

  5. Zak Mitchel
    May 10th, 2011 at 04:10 | #5

    My problem with a lot of these sites is that I have never believed the JW organisation has ever got everything right but neither have they claimed to. It is made up of imperfect people who will make mistakes, exactly as the Israelites and the early Christians did. But from my reading of the Bible without any other literature to influence what I read I can see quite plainly that there is NO Trinity, No Hell and Clearly there is a hope of living on earth as well as a select number going to heaven. These are basics that have never changed and do seem to make what JWs teach to be the truth. They are also the only organisation I know of where all it’s memebers are preaching all over the world and seem to have a genuine love and unity that I have not seen in any other organisation.
    Most things I read against them are based on the human imperfections of individuals and the fact that they do seem to demand some sort of blind loyalty to a governing body. But those JWs I talk to always seem to be intelligent and free thinkers, in fact I have rarely talked to one who follows Russel or his views and see him as a man serching for and starting to find the truth. I have been to some of their meetings and they seem to use the Bible at these meetings more than any other church I have been in.
    I also admire their morals, they don;t just preach it they live it and those that don’t have been thrown out ( quite right to I say ) I also know of an ex JW who is a convicted Pedo but he was thrown out for it which is more than I can say for many other churches. I also know that when his crimes came to light the family involved called the Police and had him arrested.
    I still read these anti-witness sites but find the majority of stuff written by those trying to justify what they decided to do and at the same time seem to have a perverse interest in what their ex organisation are doing.
    Live and let live I say. I may never be one myself but I can still see what I consider genuine Christianity in the JWs organisation.

  6. m
    January 30th, 2011 at 22:04 | #6

    @zunda
    YES WE WERE CREATED..DONT FEEL BAD THAT MANY PEOPLE FEEL THAT WE WERE NOT CREATED, THEY FEEL THIS WAY BECAUSE IN THIS ‘GOD FOR BIDDEN WORLD THAT BELONGS TO SATAN THE DEVIL’ITS LIKE NO GOD COULD POSSIBLY EXIST AND ALLOW US TO SUFFER..WHY DOESNT HE CARE IF HE DOES EXIST..SO BEFORE THEY COULD REASON LIKE WE DO, THEY RATHER NOT BELIEVE IN JEHOVAH AT ALL, SAD HUH…

  7. zunda
    January 30th, 2011 at 17:40 | #7

    @sfsef
    we did not come from “nothing” god made us andall earth in genesis 1:1

  8. Joseph
    September 9th, 2010 at 01:03 | #8

    When one or many step aside from an organized religion because they can not condone hypocrisy they may well be called an apostate of that organization.

    However being true to God and his principles, to his word. Is what really is
    important. When an organization leaves the way of the truth and mixes hypocrisy
    into their teachings in word and deed. They are on thin ice. To call others apostates when they have breached the word of God with presumptuous statements.
    One has to decide is being called an apostate of an organization that has strayed from the path important?
    Or is being called an apostate of God’s word? The later is the more important.
    Let God be found true and every man a liar!

  9. shell van horn
    September 6th, 2010 at 00:44 | #9

    Dear Otto,I believe one of your blogs has a theme song,The World Needs Guts,Alice Cooper.Great listening whilst traveling through our major cities.Netherworld … very Lovecraftian’.I have heard from friends that there is a physical( not figurative)hellhole located beneath Denver airport,what is your take on that?The story goes on to list abysses beneath these levels.Do you have security clearance for a thousand torch bearing rednecks?,And 2000 or so Cherokee, because I’d really like to stage a reenactment of the Pea Ridge battle, underground.These people aren’t fit to lick your footwear,Shell

  10. sfsef
    July 21st, 2010 at 01:58 | #10

    One bitter and twisted ex jehovacrap!

  11. adaerfarawf
    December 16th, 2009 at 03:32 | #11

    @otto marconi
    Don’t talk wet! Get a life!

  12. otto marconi
    December 15th, 2009 at 00:02 | #12

    @Mark Lawton
    dear mark i’m glad to hear your wife does not cheat and that you have proof. good for you. it’s funny your troglodite approach to religious issues, no wonder you’re a zero brained boy. the Towers of All Terror does admit they are wrong ALL the time. but their slaves are so dumb and inferior they will never see it, ever! like you just own for yourself. i think you must buy a brain, plastic ones won’t do. and good luck with your non-cheating very faithful wife.

  13. Mark Lawton
    December 14th, 2009 at 08:23 | #13

    @otto marconi
    I don’t think this guy is on our planet really!

    There is a clear difference slipping away from the truth, and being so bitter.

    It isn’t all bad, they are just wrong on a lot of stuff.

    God is still going to sort it out; but in a better way than the Watchtower can ever know or admit.

    If they admit things, they will be doomed, because people will leave in droves, and it will fall flat.

    That is what I want to see is a decline big time over some new finding, or new light, and then the people vamoose!

    The new religion isn’t around yet. It is future.

  14. Mark Lawton
    December 14th, 2009 at 08:17 | #14

    @otto marconi

    Rubbish talk that is!

    My wife does not cheat either! I have the proof.

    Nahhh!

    So there.

    Sensible comments only please!

  15. December 14th, 2009 at 08:16 | #15

    shocked at peoples speach. but i believe that jehovah do exisit and is the true god. i will keep my faith not to be shaken from apostose.

  16. Mark Lawton
    December 13th, 2009 at 12:32 | #16

    Hi there folks,

    I am currently a JW, (well sort of) and a bit “in a corner” really.

    My grandmother (deceased), and mother are and were JW’s. and I was bought up in the “truth”, from about age 10.

    I don’t know if it was a special gift or what. but I have always had doubts about it, and I have always had a free mind from it, although always under pressure to “conform”, I never have fully to this day.

    Well I am 45 now, and I can see the real truth hasn’t really come out yet. If anything is the truth this is it…

    http://www.tangotango.org.uk/

    I beleive this, and this only now, and since I was a teenager really I have had a sketchy understanding of what lies within this excellent website.

    Fair play to other “non-brainwashed” faiths, I don’t hold any malice to you at all.

    The only ares I still differ in though I must say, is that I don’t beleive in Purgatory, Hellfire, and the Trinity.

    Reading the bible on my own, I haven’t thought that Jesus actually is God Almighty, so that maybe this is where I differ from some. It isn’t the JW influence, I just don’t see it at all to be honest, and I never have.

    Anyway, back to my story…

    I met my JW wife, (I was baptized at 23), and I got married. We are happy together, and I go to all the meetings and on the field circus regularly, but I am just doing it to keep my wife, and keep my mother happy now.

    When I got baptized though I relaised afterwards that it was a mistake. I left the truth at 16, and came back at 23, and got baptized. I should have stayed out of it, and that was my mistake, as my mother was sad, but she had accepted it, and when I had doubts swept them under the carpet so to speak, as I had a lot of unanswered questions. DOH!

    I love my wife, and she loves me, but she won’t leave the JW’s. We don’t have any children, so that is a blessing really! I challenge her a lot over some teachings, and she agrees with some of what I say, but usually she switches off, or gets angry with me, so I shut up for a while. I can’t help myself though, and I wind up the brothers, and whoever I can get away with it about “new light” etc.

    Here is where I am in a pickle, as I am a “Worldly Witness” really, and an apostate, but looking like a fully fledged JW.

    I don’t do the ministry school thing, and I auxilliaried once, so I take a back seat now, and keep the seat warm, lol.

    I can’t fault all of it, but I am biding my time really, as I don’t want a big upset in our family.

    I have wound my cousin up though who is so seriously a JW; he has branded me an apostate because I told him 1914 was wrong, and I don’t agree with the society’s interpretation of the 2300 morings and evenings, the 1290, 1260, and 1335 days. I also think the 8th king will be a one world government before the “end”.

    Needless to say he has kicked me off Facebook, and told me to go away until I “change my mind” lol (as if!)

    Further to this I think God will not destroy billions at Armageddon, and he will ressurect many and the final test will be crunch time, and not at Armageddon!

    All in all I have a hybrid faith, and so effectively I am not really a JW a such, but an “apostate” of “the highest order”, according to my cousin!

    (Woe betide if he ever reds this, lol)

    So I carry on, and I’ll see how things pan out, but as soon as I get the chance I’ll be gone!, vamoose! zap! like a shot!

    I’ll then become an “Apostate Incarnate”, ready to do my worst!

    Cheers, and bye,

    Mark

  17. Lyle
    January 18th, 2008 at 06:06 | #17

    You all are not alone. There are many cults like the JW’s. My family escaped from the Plymouth Brethren nearly 7 years ago. Our parents do not speak or acknowledge us. They will not see their great grandchildren or grandchildren.

    If you are interested, our website for escapees is peebs.net.

    I thank Jesus for our escape. I cried out to Him for understanding and He opened my eyes and the eyes of my family. Thankfully, all our children and my wife left at the same time.

    May God encourage and bless all who have had the courage to leave the cults.

  18. Voltaire
    November 5th, 2006 at 08:31 | #18

    Of course they are visiting your site and other sites that expose them for the brainwashed, enslaved false prophets that they are. I’m confident that they are assembling data to support a future lawsuit against any site that offers an opposing view to theirs. Personally, I would compile a list of all ip addresses and domains that these lamers come from, and ban them all at the firewall :)

  19. James NON-JW
    February 17th, 2006 at 14:23 | #19

    Well if the WTS comes back to visit again, they might want to take a look at some of their finest JW’s on display here posting comments filled with hate, rage & absolute naivety.
    Yes, they are doing an outstanding job all by themselves to ensure that anyone potentially interested in this JW religion to stay clear from it. For the JW’s, there’s nothing like shooting yourself in the foot is there?

  20. James NON-JW
    February 12th, 2006 at 03:33 | #20

    Clare, you are right on the money. If you have seen some of my other posted comments, you will realize that we see eye to eye on these matters.
    I have for years tried to get JW’s to understand that it’s okay to practice spirituality, they do not need an earthly liason to God. However we all know that they are so brainwashed, they cannot comprehend what we are talking about.

    God bless and all the best,
    James

  21. Clare
    February 2nd, 2006 at 17:10 | #21

    Sparky

    It is heart rendering to leave those you love behind. I ’slipped away’ five years ago; not after reading any ‘apostate’ literature but because in my heart I knew that if there was a creator he would not condone the things I saw being done to people and to myself. I was not brought up in the truth but had been a loyal follower for 20 years, and had been a regular pioneer.I always thought I’d go back; that it was me who was wrong, but last year I finally came to the right decision after many weeks of prayer and thought and only then did I start looking into the ‘banned’ sites. They only confirmed what I had already thought.

    Luckily I was not disfellowshipped; I say ‘luckily’ because it means I can still see people on occasion, and more importantly I am avaliable to any who need help. I only see them a few times a year and try to be respectful; they ask me ‘where did you get your information from?’ when I point out matters about funding, sex abuse, and the covering up of serious police matters, and the U N controversy; I say to them ‘well you tell me where you got your information from?’. The fact is that unless you can personally substantiate information you cannot always rely on it. Of course we all trust a lot of what we hear from books newpapers etc, but the point is that the JW’s NEVER substantiate what they are taught; they NEVER then, are really searching for truth which takes more effort than reading from a watchtower and their version of the bible.

    Since I have left I have become more spiritual than ever. The scriptures say that the law is written in our hearts, and Jesus said he was the end of the law and that the only law would be the ‘Golden Rule’ to love your neighbour and God as yourself’. The JW’s have become pharisees with all the rules and regs they order. Free will is diminished by such, but if grasped hold of brings with it a much greater personal responsibility than the JW’s could ever teach human kind. Free will does not mean you just do what you want to do, but if you want to,
    you can as long as you are prepared to accept the responsibility. We all know what is bad for us; it is up to us to decide what we will avoid, but without making everyone’s life around us miserable. Since I have left I have not been ‘hell bent’ on doing what I always wanted to; in fact I have done more rights than wrongs and definately less wrongs since I left them! I pray, I study using academic bibles with no religious slant, and I love this world and the people in it, for good or bad, more now than ever. If the supreme being has a plan, and he is the perfect creator, he will not let one life be lost even if he has to ultimately discipline us. This is where I’m at now. I am not on the fence; I will not join organized religion ever again, and I am happier for it and hope that you too will be able to regain a peace of mind.

  22. Sparky
    February 2nd, 2006 at 05:47 | #22

    Dear Friends, Regarding what is called apostate reading material, that to which I was recently introduced was from former pioneers and Bethelites of my personal acquaintance. No finer or sober- minded persons they. After 40 years of devotion to the Society’s concepts, I now fully understand why we were warned to avoid outside materials; I even unplugged my computer two years ago after taking to heart admonition in the KM. My spiritual life has taken a “180″ and, as I contemplate my exit strategy, I prayerfully seek Jehovah’s direction through Jesus Christ. Losing friends and family will be heart-rending; losing income will be hard but Ed Dunlap, my teacher at Bethel, and Raymond Franz were cared for by our merciful God. I have never been so unafraid in all my life, Sparky

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