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Disfellowshipped Jehovah’s Witness vandalizes an Assembly Hall by spraying Graffiti on the Walls

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graffiti on Jehovah\'s Witnesses Hall Disfellowshipped Dasun Allah, editor of the hip-hop magazine The Source and now member of the Islam-based Nation of Gods and Earths, “tagged” the assembly hall to expose the religion’s “hypocrisy.”

A disfellowshipped Jehovah’s Witness admitted to vandalizing a Jehovah’s Witness assembly hall in New York’s Harlem neighborhood.

Dasun Allah, editor of the hip-hop magazine The Source, told the New York Post he “tagged” the building to expose the religion’s “hypocrisy.”

Police were called to the scene where Allah had painted a number of cryptic symbols, but the graffiti had been painted over by then, the Post said Friday.

Allah, 32, said he was disfellowshipped more than 13 years ago and now belongs to the Islam-based Nation of Gods and Earths.

“They said I didn’t fit the criteria, because, to put it lightly, I wasn’t a choirboy,” Allah said.

Based on an UPI article

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  1. September 14th, 2006 at 18:14 | #1

    Semiotics, remember?

    Riddles.

    Koans.

    or dare I say…

    PARABLES!!!

  2. September 14th, 2006 at 18:06 | #2

    Peace.

    Loon? That’s Mr. Wolf to you my dear sheep (or do you be goat, and if so, are you Billy Goat Gruff?).

    What small oversight?

    Does one have to submit to a convention of western society contrary to their traditional indigenous culture in order to have legitimacy?

    I and the Father are one, and who does not become fed up with themself from time to time. I did not have to hook up with anyone or anything. I am that I am. What is needed is to unhook one’s self.

    Lastly, a pinball is SUPPOSED to go up as well as down and hit against the bumpers. That’s how points are acquired. As long as you are keeping that pinball up and hitting against those bumpers, you are in the game (and get to enjoy those pleasant chimey sounds the pinball machine makes). You lose when the ball slips between the flippers. And if you got what it takes (a game token, for instance) even if you lose you can play again.

    Good thing we are not pinballs. ORE are we?

  3. September 14th, 2006 at 17:20 | #3

    You yourself are saying it.

  4. M’ko
    September 14th, 2006 at 16:27 | #4

    Whats the matter Loon?
    You humped some chick before getting married, forgetting about the being married part was a small oversight, but then admitting it to your newly found friends !! So you got fed up with Jehovah and hooked up with Allah instead.
    The ball in the pinball machine always goes down no matter how many times it hits it’s head against the bumpers. You go figure.

  5. Rel
    September 14th, 2006 at 13:22 | #5

    is this guy speaking in tongues??

  6. September 14th, 2006 at 12:12 | #6

    BTW.

    HIM Dasun was disfellowshipped for simply following the first commandment that The Father gave Noah (knower) and his family when they embarked from the ark. Gen 9:1 But HIM was never was much of a “fellow.” HIM born a Master and a Travelling Man on a narrow road.

    Also, JW not the only one who fulfill Matthew 24:14. What of RASTAFARI!!! HIM wondered at the age of 7, if the JAH Rastaman chant of is the same one in the alabaster Watchtower.

    And HIM knew then HIM in trouble.

    There is a thin line between genuis and insanity and both are the ying and yang of true art.

    Grafitti? Surely you jest. Ever heard of semiotics?

  7. September 14th, 2006 at 11:40 | #7

    Loon Wolf here.

    Very interesting. Glad to be of inspiration.

    -”DX 21″ Dasun Allah

    Here are some “key scriptures.”

    Rev 21:1-3
    Psalms 82:6-8
    Matthew 1:23

    r u a follower or a leader?

    [cobo bobo]

  8. Free from islam
    August 30th, 2006 at 05:02 | #8

    I think they change and correct themselfs has all fallable people looking for the true do.
    Did you find some ORG that has gotten right ever? The sad part Is that you gave up and gave in to the system of thing and this world. Easy out for you. . And instead you turn to defaming people destroying property. Your problem is with god NOT JW’s And your influence is absolutely controlled by hip hop, islam and the masses

    since you were an ex JW

    Remember this one

    “pick up your torture stake and follow me”

    One thing I have to say about Jehovah Witness
    They took the name of God Jehovah (Not Jihads ) and they promoted.
    They took Jesus’ request and demand to go out and preach the word of god. Door to door
    So that No Man may claim It was not offered to him.
    Why do you think they are there in the mooring. Knocking at you door. They catch you all the time. No excuses. They catch you 5 or 10 times. In your life time I bet NO Excuse.
    Some of these people are putting in 60 a week. They are not rich, nor paid.

    There is NO perfect religion If there was why would we need a Christ or a god period.

    Its about the deeds done. NOT the mistakes made in innocence or mere miscalculation. But again all you have is Man working with Man

    They go out in the heated day to me ridiculed doors thrown in there face, spit at. Cursed, made jokes of at and more.

    Which one of you other 500 religions’ are doing this as asked by the Christ?

    The rd to life is crooked & narrow , but the road to death is wide and many are it that go down the path.to destruction.

    The Catholics killed for over 100 yrs just in a thought of heresy in the inquisitions
    The Muslims promote death to all. Sunni, shite and all the rest of whatever sects they are.
    As did tons of others.
    And of Muslims
    And this is the religion you now seek. Hey besides the
    new criminal life or artistic graphitic spray paiting on church walls you now illegally destroy real property as a Muslim. Have you taken up crack sales, drive by shooting, and herion sales to support terrorism other acts of Islam.
    Word to ya mother

    P.s I’m not a JW
    But I have never seen, such inflammatory witness and persecution to such a meek, peaceful and different than the rest group.
    By the way I just found out on another site of this one in google ads the JW have grown to be the fastest grown religion in the world close to 5.5MM
    So my thoughts are If were god and I was to pick a meek people. (the meek inherit the earth) Working hard and doing what I asked of them It would not be the likes and arrogance of you Muslims

  9. anonymous
    July 15th, 2006 at 18:55 | #9

    this is fascinating

  10. fri
    June 20th, 2006 at 02:24 | #10

    Good news rankin, your god jehobah (spelled purposely like that) came to me in a vision while I was playing golf this afternoon and said to me that Armageddon is coming on the 1st of August 2006. Jehovah also said that you and your pals should sell all your possessions and dedicate yourselves to the fool-time ministry(again spelled like that on purpose).

    Now are you willing to do what your God Jehobah wants you to do????

    Please let me know what your reaction is, I am playing golf again tomorrow and while I am stuck in the sand trap I might see Jehobah again and will relate your message.

  11. James NON-JW
    June 19th, 2006 at 22:20 | #11

    After the comment by Fri, all you can discuss is spelling? You must be a JW, usually naive & senseless. Please don’t try to put yourself in a position to judge others, consider the fact that you are the one on the so-called “apostate” website?
    And by the way if and when Armageddon comes (the WTS’ idea of it that is, you know the one they repeatedly date-set & say is coming, yet are always wrong), do you think anyone will be concerned even for one second what you think at that moment?
    I think not.

  12. June 19th, 2006 at 21:25 | #12

    Dear Mr. Rankin,

    I must say for a person who does not claim to be a JW you put up quite a defense for that organization, and you know their typical defense scriptures well.

    You wanted an explanation for certain scriptures, so I will oblige you.

    Rom 16:17, 18 “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”

    Was Paul speaking of divisions in some sort of earthly organization? No, he was referring to divisions in the spiritual “body of Christ,” those anointed followers of Christ who were of this heavenly call. “The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up only one body. So it is with the body of Christ.” 1 Cor. 12:12

    What is this “doctrine he refers to? In Hebrews 2:9 he states it quite simply, “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.”

    Anything which differs from this is NOT of God.

    “As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” – Gal 1:9

    As for the second scripture.

    Heb 6:4-6 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”

    Ask your “Witness” friends (since you u are “not” a JW) if THEY “have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit”. I can almost guarantee you that unless they are quite old they will have to answer “NO.” End of story.

    Prove everything Mr. Rankin.

  13. Tony
    June 19th, 2006 at 19:49 | #13

    Your reply reflects the double standard JW’s like to close their eyes to:
    Misconduct (like molestation, theft, etc.) among the churches is advocated as “proof for false religion”, at the same time this very same misconduct among JW’s is only considered as “imperfection”. Think about it.
    When the WTS criticises the Churches of Christendom it is called “exposing False Religion”.
    If anyone dears to criticise the WTS it is called “persecution or apostasy inspired by demons”. Why the double standard?

    Where does the bible say you need an organisation to find truth?
    The bible clearly says that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light -it never speaks of an organisation. As you have been shown in 2 Tim. 3:16, it is the bible that will fully equip you and not an organisation. The bible does admonish Christians to be well arranged (1 Corinthians 14:40), but it is a misconception to equal this to a publishing organisation. Being organized does not mean having an organisation. To organise your home you don’t need an organisation. The bible does not even mention organisation, but it does repeatedly emphasise to put faith in Jesus and his Father. Please read the scriptures I posted before.

    You said about yourself “I am not a jehovah’s witness,but i do get their magazines.” So I would like to invite you to research the WT publications regarding its prophecies about the end. Some WT quotes you can find here http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower_quotes/watchtower-dates/_1914/#more-217
    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/dates/boastful-lies/
    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower_quotes/watchtower-dates/_1975/
    The WTS has repeatedly misinterpreted the bible and has prophesied falsely. And everyone can find the evidence of this in the WT literature. Why would God lead an organisation to prophesy falsely repeatedly?

    I am not telling my personal ideas; I am telling what the bible says and have presented facts found in WT publications.

    Tony

  14. K.Rankin
    June 19th, 2006 at 16:41 | #14

    to fri

    I did’nt realise that spelling was so important in the grand scheme of things.I will remember this at ARMAGEDDON.

  15. fri
    June 19th, 2006 at 12:42 | #15

    To: Anonymous, Rankin (Comment ID: 19572)
    I find it very interesting when you mention the wicked people within the organization, let’s see, here you have wicked elders as you so mentioned “it’s the wicked people amongst them and those that hide them”. I cannot understand how a religion, the only true religion on this earth that could be backed by God, (as according to all Jehovah’s witnesses) could have so many wicked people in charge.

    It is very true when you say: “You have to originate with the true God and have to do his will”. Apparently, not many people within your cult originate from God. It is obvious that you have too many molesters thief’s and so on within your cult. I guess your God Jehovah is not doing a very good job in overseeing the factory, LOL.

    Yes, just like you said: “True prophets make known their faith in Jesus “not in a man made organization.

    Again you quoted: “Jesus said: I do nothing of my own initiative but as the father taught me (John7:18)” Are you by any means implying that the molesters within the org are not doing their own will but the will of God?

    You stated: “You profess to know and serve God but reject the teachings or requirements set out in his word.(1Tim4:1)(2Thess2:3)” since when is rejecting the teachings of the Jehovah’s witnesses rejecting God?
    Rankin, you have some serious issues you need to resolve.
    Are you one of those that during the day washes windows and at might becomes a mighty counselor of the people?
    I thing you should educate yourself first, learn how to spell than come and talk to us.
    You are very good at quoting scriptures, you just forgot the one that says (2Tim 3: 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work). The key here is COMPLETELY EQUIPPED! That being the case why the need to print all the propaganda (crappy magazines, booklets, etc…….)???? For the sake of the mighty $!

    Please do yourself a favour and start thinking for yourself! That is indeed why God gave you a brain.

  16. K.Rankin
    June 18th, 2006 at 22:30 | #16

    comment above by K.Rankin

  17. Anonymous
    June 18th, 2006 at 22:22 | #17

    Yoo said to me you did not need an organisation to know Jesus,but you did to acquire the knowledge you have now.I acquired my knowledge through talking to the JW,s and reading their litrature how are you supposed to acquire knowledge without a true organisation.I understand you and your family have been let down by the organisation if it’s true that the elders covered up what happened they are accountable for their actions and they will be judge accordingly by Jehovah.I understand you want to protect and stop people amongst the organisation they allso will be judge accordingly,if that is the reason you came out it’s not the organistion it’s the wicked people amongst them and those that hide them.
    that’s what the invisable ruler want’s to break everyones integrity even your’s.
    You have to originate with the true God and have to do his will.
    True prophets make known their faith in Jesus -
    (1 John4:1-3)(John8,28)
    so JEsus said:I do nothing of my own initiative but as the father taught me (John7:18)
    You profess to know and serve God but reject the teachings or requirements set out in his word.(1Tim4:1)(2Thess2:3)
    You try to make others that know the truthnot to be in their organisation causing division(Acts20:30)(2pet2:1,3)
    You say you believe in the the christ but do’nt adhere to the worldwide preaching and teaching work he asighned to his followers(Luke6:46)
    matt28:19,20 if you read the verse it tells you to make disciples of people of all nations,baptizing them.So how are you supposed to do that without an organisation you tell me.
    You claim to serve Godbut do’nt recorgnise true beleivers and his organisation(Jude8:11)
    Could you explain what Rom 16:17,18,heb 6:4-6 means please.

  18. Tony
    June 16th, 2006 at 22:53 | #18

    To K. Rankin,

    I was born and raised a JW and was very active for many years. I general JW’s or the ‘regular publishers’ genuinely want to follow Jesus example (like most in other churches do). But I eventually realized the difference between the leadership of JW and the rank & file. The WTS unscriptural mandates are not to be questioned by the regular members. The attention and love bombing to newly interested ones is only a show as many of them fall back into depression and loneliness soon after their baptism. When two of my sisters were molested by a responsible person of the JW congregation the matter was silenced and covered-up by the WTS through its elders. JW make much use of “key scriptures” to teach their doctrine, but it is not according to the entire bible. In the past the WTS has predicted exact dates for the coming of the end. You can find it in their own early publications. All their predictions failed (Deuteronomy 18:20-22) and they deny this fact to there own membership. They go as far as blaming the member for wrong motives and expectations which they themselves created. –John 3:20, 21
    In the OT times the prophets exposed the hypocrisy of gods chosen people, some prophets were kill for doing so, even Jesus. What they had to say was not popular and disturbing for many. The Pharisees wanted to keep Jesus silent, nobody should listen to him. If I (or we) spread lies about the WT leadership it would be wrong and could be easily exposed. You should know, those who lie about the WT are being exposed by us ex-JW’s. Not everything said about the JW’s is true. Yet, just like the men of old I feel an obligation to expose the hypocrisy of the WT organisation and take Jesus as an example (Matthew 23:29-36 Yes, Jesus was right!).

    According to the bible you need not look for a religion or organisation to find the truth. All you need is Jesus (Acts 16:30, 31; John 3:16-19, 6:68). But I think you have already made up your mind regarding this issue. What makes you believe it is JW’s who speak the truth and give you the answers?
    Does their (and your) faith depend upon a leadership which forever changes its interpretation (calling it ‘new light” by misquoting Proverbs 4:18) or does it depend entirely on Jesus as the scriptures say?
    Do you need the GOVERNING BODY of JW’s to explain Jesus words to you? -Matthew 23:10-12
    Should men govern your faith or should Jesus alone be the head? -Ephesians 1:22
    Please you tell me how and where I can be spiritually up-build by not following the teaching of men but rather reading the bible by itself?
    Do JW teach unchangeable truth?
    I will be very grateful to you if you share some truthful up-building thought with me. Or prove that what I say about the JW leadership is wrong.

    Tony

  19. K.Rankin
    June 16th, 2006 at 20:19 | #19

    tony

    Jesus criticise and judged the pharisees which was the religion at that time. {mathew 23:29-36} So in your opinion jesus is wrong.it’s no different from what the JW’s do, they just want to follow Jesus example.Could you tell me what religion i could go into that speaks the truth that gives me the answer, that builds me up spiritually i would be very grateful.

  20. James NON-JW
    June 15th, 2006 at 23:25 | #20

    Trying looking at this as if a sales rep is trying to sell you a product or service, in this case a faith/belief system:
    Perhaps you should understand that while you are a prospect for them and not yet a client (fellow believer) they will put up & even maybe happy to answer your questions. Once you are roped in and especially if baptized, forget about questioning their doctrines then.

    As well, what questions are you asking? Have you asked about their ill-handling of the pedophile problem within their faith?
    Perhaps you should ask them to name one prophecy or prediction of the Watchtower that came true. Explain using verified resources their true history and ask why they persistently change their tune. Why do they feely they can dogmatically ram their doctrines down the throats of people even when they find out later they are wrong, yet are unaccountable?
    This is your life and you should know all about this faith, not just what it’s up to today.
    Some of these questions will have them more concerned about where you are doing your research or who you are talking to rather than give factual answers. Deal in FACTS, NOT HERESAY OR MANUFACTURED IDEAS PROMOTED AS TRUTH.
    Good luck.

  21. rel
    June 15th, 2006 at 22:41 | #21

    Rankin, are you the son of arthur rankin????

  22. K.Rankin
    June 15th, 2006 at 22:27 | #22

    {Tony 19012}

    I am not a jehovah’s witness,but i do get their magazines.I question them all the time when they come to my door they do not have a problem with it.I question all religions and they seem to have a problem with it and so do you so what’s going off.

  23. Tony
    June 15th, 2006 at 21:51 | #23

    How come the JW WTS can criticise and judge or condemn every other religion or person with a different believe? How come criticism among JW’s about their WT Society and its teachings is not allowed? Why is everyone who does not agree with you from Satan?

    I think your comment speaks for itself.

    Tony

  24. K.Rankin
    June 15th, 2006 at 21:20 | #24

    What you have got to remmember is that the invisible ruler of the world is Satan.He want’s all those that believe in the true God out of their organisation.Those who do not want people to know what the truth is will find thier place prepared in Gehenna.

    {to Tony 18835}

  25. Kwwdd
    June 15th, 2006 at 21:05 | #25

    ddddddd11

  26. Tony
    June 15th, 2006 at 05:40 | #26

    Simply put: because we were harmed and want to protect!

    Tony

  27. K.Rankin
    June 14th, 2006 at 21:25 | #27

    What i really want to know is why all the trouble and effort in creating this web site for ex JWs and potential JWS. Is it not in their own interest to make their own decision on what religion these people choose. if the jehovah’s witness original organisation ie:watchtower org really concerns you why?

  28. k.Rankin
    June 14th, 2006 at 19:54 | #28

    why all the trouble?

  29. Jonathan
    May 8th, 2006 at 20:27 | #29

    I was reading thru some of these old posts and happened to read this statement: “well, there was some pressure to become a witness in order to survive the Armageddon that never materialized”

    I don’t know what congregation you were with but in mine the teachers I had always stressed getting baptized because you love god and want to do his will
    This you see is the fundemental problem that exists not just in the JW’s but in every organization on this planet and indeed human society as a whole.

    People are fickle and will do and believe whatever the hell they want to and it doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong.

    Working in Market Research I see this all the time. I can offer people solid proof that we are not selling anything nor will their participation result in a sales call and they refuse to acknowledge this. They firmly believe I am trying to sell them a worthless product and dont want to hear anything that contrdicts that belief

    Belief is what we as humans live by and if you can get ahold of that you can get people to do anything.

    This is why I gave up on the JW. Why try to reason with someone who really doesn’t want to know? Same thing applies to politics. Why bother getting involved when people are going to do what they want to in the end?

    How many years of recorded history do we have? In all that time and in spite of the technological and scientific advances we’ve made we have still learned nothing. I see daily evidence of humanity’s arrogance, stupidity, selfishness, ignorance and lack of self control and I include myself on this list.

    Was it Isaiah that comapred us to a speck of dust? I cannot recall exactly but whoever he was he was being overly generous. What really grates is that none of the issues we face are insurmountable, NONE! We have the ability and knowhow to solve any problem that we currently face. It’s not an issue of “can”, it’s an issue of “will”. Will we…? and the answer to that question is ALWAYS a big fat…..NO!

  30. Jonathan
    May 8th, 2006 at 19:37 | #30

    I like your last comments esp the one about going out and hanging yourself. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. :-)

    Could you clarify something for me? Your very last scripture citations mention 1 COR 4:7 and then you say to check from verses 6-25 but 1Cor 4 only has 21 verses
    !Cor 7 has more than 25 but I’m not sure if that’s the point you were trying to make. :-)

  31. Curious
    March 3rd, 2006 at 23:25 | #31

    I’ve read my bible and there is nothing in there that causes me to believe that your religion is the correct one. In fact, most people in the world that have read their bible, have not came to that conclusion either. If you could prove it, I would go there tomorrow. Use the scriptures “only” to support your statements. Have you tried studying the bible with someone without any other book but the bible? Now that’s a bible study. The truth that jws preach seem to be there understanding, not actual truth. This is why they change there doctrine so often from old truth to new truth or old light to new light. Truth does not change. This website may enlighten you, if you have an open mind.
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/cults/exposejw/chap1.html

  32. James NON-JW
    February 13th, 2006 at 20:17 | #32

    Way to go Ber, it’s your life, not some crazed outfit like to WTS cult to run it for us.
    Godd luck on your handicap.

  33. Anonymous
    February 13th, 2006 at 20:13 | #33

    you are crazy!

  34. Anonymous
    February 3rd, 2006 at 19:20 | #34

    YES, I AM VERY PROUD INDEED.

  35. Just passing through
    February 3rd, 2006 at 03:20 | #35

    Wow, what a shock that you are another angry, sarcastic, “i have better things to do with my time”, guilty feeling ex JW. You say that you are so glad to be out of the organised “cult” like religion that controls you and yet now your passion for golf and instant material gratification seems to control you. What a change you have made for yourself, you must be proud.

  36. Ber
    February 2nd, 2006 at 01:52 | #36

    To Anonymous 1768, 1769, 170– (??ERIC??)– If you trying to make it to be a pee competition to see which one of us is going to pee the furthest, congratulations I let you win. I tried to explain to you, apparently in vain, that one must not just pick a single scripture to reason a point. For a moment I just forgot that it is how the society operates, pick a line here and there and le us back anything we want, completely forgot you are still under the thinking domain of the Borg (star trek the next generation anyone?)

    No my friend, I am not lost; I was for a long time but finally used my brain and found myself again

    What I do with my life (like playing golf during the week) is my business only and no longer the WT businesses or any of its followers, such as you.
    The witnesses or watchtower no longer have the power to tell me what to do with my life period! Sorry but I wasted enough hours in field service.

    Contrary to your belief, I can assure you, that right now what I need to do is work on my swing and not on my studies as you so bluntly suggested. My handicap needs to come down from 16, and that is what I am going to work on.
    I am a very successful man; I run a very successful business. You should not be envy of it.

    If you want a good life, please work for it.
    Again, congratulations, I am very proud to admit you are the winner of the pee competition. The price is in the mail (March watchtower) he he he.

  37. Anonymous
    February 1st, 2006 at 18:41 | #37

    OR BETTER YET TEACHER EXPLAIN IT IF YOU CAN.

  38. Anonymous
    February 1st, 2006 at 18:28 | #38

    AND WHAT DID YOU LEARN ABOUT JOHN 3:16 BEING A JW.

  39. Anonymous
    February 1st, 2006 at 18:20 | #39

    1767 I MUST TO YOU MY FELLOW GOLFER I’M NOT THE THAT IS LOST AS I RECALL YOU ARE THE ONE THAT WAS A JW AND NOW ARE IN SEARCH OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU…SO INSTEAD OF WORKING ON YOUR SWING YOU NEED TO GET YOUR HEAD DEEPER INTO YOUR STUDIES,AND MAYBE THINGS WILL COME TO LIGHT FOR YOU.

  40. ber
    February 1st, 2006 at 17:32 | #40

    ——–1766——-John 3:16 “For god loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten son, in order than everyone exercising faith in him may have everlasting life”

    Yes on needs more than a verse (john 3:16) to understand the message!

    Who is God? Why did God love the world so much? Who is his only begotten son? What is faith? How can one exercise faith? How can on exercise faith? What is everlasting life?

    This is where you are totally lost. Apparently, you read the scripture but you do not understand the context.

    I would love to stay here and argue with you on this one but I must go and play some golf now. I will check you later on today.

  41. Anonymous
    February 1st, 2006 at 16:09 | #41

    DO YOU NEED MORE THAN JOHN 3:16 TO GET THE MESSAGE.

  42. fri
    February 1st, 2006 at 15:49 | #42

    You need more than 1 verse to get the sense of the message!

  43. Anonymous
    February 1st, 2006 at 14:26 | #43

    1752 WHAT YOU DID IS USE PART OF A VERSE,I’M NOT CUTTING VERSES OFF.I’M TAKING THE WHOLE VERSE AS COUNSEL NOT JUST PART OF IT.IF YOU READ WHATS BEFORE THAT VERSE AND AFTER ANY VERSE,THE ONES THAT I MENTIONED WILL STILL SAY AND MEAN THE SAME THING. THE VERSES THAT I MENTIONED ARE THE BEGINING OF A SENTENCE AND ENDS WITH A PERIOD OR QUESTION MARK.I DID NOT START IN THE MIDDLE, AS SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO DO, TO MAKE POINTS.I LET THE WHOLE VERSE SPEAK FOR ITSELF.

  44. ber
    February 1st, 2006 at 00:38 | #44

    1748 you must not go to a book in the bible and pick a verse here and there, than go to another scripture and pick another verse to make your point. In order to understand a point one must read quite a few verses before and after to get the gist of what Jesus, the apostles or the prophets were trying to say. Whom were Jesus/apostles/prophets talking too? What was the applicable situation?
    If I follow your reasoning, I could say the following: “Judas went out and hung himself.”–Matt. 27:5
    “Go and do likewise.”–Luke 10:37
    I could apply this scripture to you:
    Pro9:13 A woman of stupidity…. Mt15:7 “… Isaiah aptly prophesied about you” 2Pet2:9…..…to be cut off, Mt.23:15… a subject for Ge•hen´na.

    Do you get my point?

    1 PET 2:19 start at verse 12
    1COR 4:7 start at verse 6 to 25 and so on than you will understand the scriptures.

  45. Anonymous
    January 31st, 2006 at 22:53 | #45

    TO 1706 TEACHER,I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A READER AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF REV.4:11, 1 PET 2:19 ,1COR 4:7 ALSO PROVERB 3:21,22 AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.IT MAY SEEM LIKE ALOT BUT WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING OF READING SCRIPTURES……..WELL YOU KNOW IT CAN NEVER BE TO MUCH..

  46. ber
    January 28th, 2006 at 00:34 | #46

    To 1702—-My friend, I never claimed to be forced into the cult. I went in on my free will (well, there was some pressure to become a witness in order to survive the Armageddon that never materialized) but I guess you could say I went in on my free will, and came out on my free will as well, no question about it.

    Yes, the word Jehovah does appear in the bible, well we cannot be sure though if the name is Jehovah, Johevah, jahovah. As we cannot know for sure, we should not put much emphasize on the name.

    Yes, we have free will; we also have what is called free speech. So, do not get too upset if someone comes in here and does not say good things about the WTS, as a result from the bad experiences they had.

    You accused me of being too judgmental; could I accuse you of being temperamental?

  47. Anonymous
    January 27th, 2006 at 22:01 | #47

    USE IT WISELY

  48. Anonymous
    January 27th, 2006 at 21:24 | #48

    NOBODY FORCED YOU TO BE A JW THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU DECIDED TO DO.I KNOW THEY GO DOOR TO DOOR, BUT DID THEY FORCE YOU TO GO OVER THOSE QUESTIONS THEY ASK BEFORE YOU GET BAPTISED,AND BEING SUCH AN INTELLIGENT PERSON,WHY WOULD YOU NOT DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU JOIN SUCH A GROUP IF THEY ARE THAT BAD………I SERVE JEHOVEH FOR MYSELF NOT ANY ORGANIZATION.YES I DID SAY JEHOVAH BECAUSE IT IS IN THE BIBLE AND I HAVE NOTICED ALOT OF RELIGIONS ADMIT THAT JEHOVAH IS GODS NAME,AND THEY ARE NOT JW’S EITHER……REMEBER WE HAVE FREE WILL US IT WISELY…….

  49. ber
    January 27th, 2006 at 18:55 | #49

    To 1697—-Mission accomplished, by pulling your strings I knew you would go back to my posts and try finding some mistakes (about 270 words only 2 mistakes I think it was not bad). By doing that, I forced you to look them up and therefore hope you learned something from them. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    If I seem too judgmental to you, I am what the WTS made me. I guess it will take some time for me to be totally deprogrammed from the cult.

  50. Anonymous
    January 27th, 2006 at 14:49 | #50

    Teacher,being the perfect person that you are,before you correct people for there mistakes maybe you should check yourself first……Post 1686 If you had been here long ” ENOUGHT”,also your quote in 1681 you stated “nor do i see it STAYING anywhere…..Now I see what your problem is.You like to judge people and if they are not perfect,like you wish you were,you try to point out there mistakes so you can feel better about yourself.As Istated before I am not a JW,and I never was unlike you who spent 15 years in it and because they are not perfect you left,like the pussy you are………your time is up and you get a WORK ON…..

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