@hello
Black holes are when God divided by zero.

@Jones

Yup this is the beauty of our universe. A watch or other meticulous instrument will never come about by itself, no matter how long the pieces are stirred or shaken. The universe does not have a need for a watch, if it did for whatever reason it would make one. Now before everyone says “jeez Markus now you’ve really lost it”! I think it was George Carlin who said that in a billion years after man has obliterated himself so that there is no longer any trace of him, except for plastic. Maybe thats what the universe wanted all along, plastic. So all the ingredients for getting a life form were put together and man evolved over the eons, created plastic, and left the Earth, if he does not wipe himself out another virus like HIV only a million fold more deadly can evolve. Simple, the universe now has plastic and it only took a few billion years, which is not a very long time in the grand scheme of things.
Ok I know you won’t go for this and neither do I but it is food for thought.

As far as faith is concerned, I do not have faith in God not existing. Now when I talk about God here I am referring to Biblegod. I have evidence of Biblegod not existing. All this evidence ironically come from nowhere else but the Bible.
I could rant and rave for hours on end about the genocides, inaccuracies, and contradictions found in this so called divine and inspired book, but we have heard them all and I get tired of beating the same beat on the same drum.

Humans in my opinion, are the only species on this planet that have the intelligence to ponder on how we got here. Because this answer cannot be explained we have dreamed up the simple unprovable answer of a God or Gods. Throughout any recorded history of any early civilized man there has always been God/s, be it the Red Indians, the Messopotanians, the Egyptians, the Azteks, Incas, there always has been a divine being or object being worshipped.

Ok thats enough, just now folk gonna think I got nothing better to do.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus
Hey Markus, Mr. Lowry in his satire brought up a point that I had never considered. It does take a great amount of faith to be a non believer too. Faith is a hope with no evidence no matter which side you are on. I don’t think that the Timex watch will by shaking the bag readjust to a working timepiece if it is shaken six million years. Order from total chaos through some kind of big bang or whatever turbulence is more than I can imagine.

I have many friends who do not share my belief. The influence I may have on these people is certainly lost if all we concentrate on when we are together is our faith differences. Because of my profession I am constantly in contact with the Gay community. All of these individuals are sensitive, creative, caring, and usually loyal. I have learned much over the years because I was not always condemning them for their lifestyle. I have a friend who is Seventh Day Adventist and we cannot discuss our differences of belief. We have so much in common and I can start a project and she can finish it and achieve the same results as I would have. She was an employee for about a year and then went on to greater things. I do not have any Jehovah’s Witnesses friends because they are not allowed to have a friendship with me because I for some reason may taint them. I just have you an apostate, but I am ok with that. I even take all the whippings and come back for more. Glutton for punishment that I am.

@hello

Aw shucks here is another one for you. Apologies in advance for misquoting but this is how I remember it: Farmer goes to preacher after sermon. “Father will you stop preaching about hell so much, it upsets me and my family, can’t you rather teach about gentle and humble Jesus”? Preacher responds “but Jesus is the one who taught me about hell”.

Remember hello, it is your God who made me an Atheist, for if it was certain He does not exist then I would not be an Atheist.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,

You are still not the greatest!!

Wonderful vocabulary,is it the symptoms of H1N1?. Scientists speak about
“black holes” and you!

May be I am ignorant there must be a similarity.
I must say you both have a weakness for holes and the holy!

Cheers!!

@hello
Hahahahaha and a yuk yuk thrown in, I do not believe in Satan like you do asshole, please don’t drop me to your standards. A simple question is all I ask and you call me Satan, you should be ashamed.
Cheers good buddy,
Markus

@Markus
Hi Mark,
You can’t tempt me satan!!!
Cheers

@hello

Not even going to give it a bash? I would like to call you a chicken but I am partial to these creatures and will not insult them.

Cheers,
Markus

@Jones

Hey if everyone agreed with everyone the world would be a real boring place.
Thanks for the link, I am relatively familiar with Mark Lowry’s work. Mark Lowry in my opinion has to be one of the funniest people alive today. He brings in humor and uses it to make fun of atheists and others who may have different opinions to his.
He does his best to be funny and it is actually hilarious watching him. He has this side kick, forget his name tall guy, long hair, beard does his best to look like Jesus, when I see this guy singing my wife closed the door because I am laughing so loud. Pity George Carlin is dead I would have loved to have seen George and Mark have a friendly dip at each other on stage.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi Mark,

If I give you an answer, I will become a freak thinker!

Cheers!!!!!!!

@hello

OK here is one for you. Alien lands his UFO in your garden, knocks on the door and says (he can speak English because as you should know by now all aliens can), “can you please spare me a bit of fuel for my UFO”?
Can you spot the mistake? I hope so because if you can then it is the first step in you starting to become a free thinker.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,

Your crap stinks real bad!!

cheers

@Markus
As I suspected, there is a typo, but you still cand find the video and it is funny.

@Markus
You may find this one amusing too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkR_XG1DnDs&feature=related

If I did a typo you can find the youtube video under the heading “Home Depot/Dealing With An Athiest” Comedy By Mark Lowry.

@Jones

Check this out, I thought it interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TQcedvxPxY&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Cheers,
Markus

@hello

Rubbish, this vision from Daniel is clearly talking about Churchill and Hitler.
The walls of Jericho were referring to the iron curtain Stalin had put in place.

See I can also write absolute crap.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi Mark,

You mean the “book of fables”?

Can you believe this, Daniel had visions.
During the reign of Cyrus the ruler of Persia, Daniel
had a vision. The vision was about two kings, king of the south
(Iran) which is a part of what as originally Persia, and
the king of the north.

Iran is the financier of international terrorism.

Cheers!!

@hello
Can you honestly say you have read this book you so love in its entirety?

@Markus
I do believe you hit me with a double barrelled shotgun here. I accepted a very long ago that I was most likely spitting in the wind by even suggesting debate without rancor. I guess it ain’t happening in my lifetime and that can’t be too many years from now.

Anyway for the record, I do not follow the law of Moses. I do believe Jesus spoke those words to the Jews alone. My covenant is with Him after his sacrifice of death and resurrection. He promised that his law would be written in my heart. Sounds like a fairy tale doesn’t it. My kingdom is a spiritual one and not in Mecca. My judgment would be swift and certain If I lived in certain parts of the world. So my sacrifice would be here and then in the afterlife if I did not follow Alla.

It is wonderful that I can love you even if we disagree. The idiot that I am.

@Markus

Hi,
Logic, is part of my profession.
I have been using logic all along, developing software applications.
Logic is man made , each person’s logic is different, thats why
you have so many not so logical bugs in software systems.

The bible, that is my book. I love the bible and I live by it.

One more thing.
We have two kings building up their forces in the world today,

The king of the south is IRAN.
The king of the north will oppose him, I wonder if you are a subject
of one of these kings.

Cheers,
Long live the king

@hello

I Don’t know how to make it more plain. I do not believe in your useless God, and neither do I believe in his scapegoat Satan, you may quote me any scripture you wish, you will not persuade me an iota, give me some logic, a thought pattern a freekin new theory, but pleeeeze stop quoting from that bloody book of fables.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,

Sauds, they are a crazy people.
read genesis 16:12
They kill for their so called god.

I do not kill for God, because vengance is HIS.

You are the one who is on satan’s payroll.
cheers!

@Jones

Now here we go again, the typical fundamentalist Christian in typical funnel vision. God is Good, God orders the rape of virgins, this must be good, God created us he must be good. God ordered little boys to be thrust through with a sword, shite but God must be good for he created us. Jeez Uzzah must die cause he knew the rules ‘Do not touch the Ark’, hey Joe can you cut us a bit of slack here? I only meant well?
If we need to take the OT literally here I rekon 60% of all western women should be put to death as they were not virgins on their wedding night.
If you agree with the above I must offer my condolences. If you say OK the rules have changed you are a hypocrite, for Jesus himself said ‘if you do not follow the law of Moses you do not follow me’.
What is it to be?? I ask with crocodile tears in my eyes, must we listen to what is inspirationally portrayed to us in the OT. I’m ok, remember us males are almost impervious to any sexual discretion, as a male I will be good come judgement day but my poor wife may beg for mercy saying it is her second marriage,
but the Lord will say sorry rules is rules, off you go to be stoned and, I, as it is my wife I must throw the first stone.

When in the name of Thor are you idiots going to realize the Bible is a bunch of bunk written by old fools many years ago.

Cheers,
Markus

@hello
Jesus H Christ, what are we dealing with here? You sit so pretty in your home, you have 3 square meals every day. You give thanks to Jesus. Imagine you being born in Saudi Arabia, you would have lost your head for saying what you just did.
Please do not let me stop you. Carry on. If it makes you happy send it. In fact why don’t you send it even more than the arbitrary 10% make it 50% ever stop to think why the almighty all powerful God needs your pitiful wages.

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,
What is the word for God in Arabic?
What is the word for God in an arabic bible?

You seem to be confused about religious history.

The islamists have copied their texts from the jewish bible
and christian bible, yet they claim that Abrahan, Moses, Jesus and
others mentioned in the bible muslims.
No wonder, you have something in common with them.

IRA, do not mix religion and politics, only perverts do that.
IRA is an old story.

@Markus
Did you throw the baby out with the bath water? Did you read about the atrocities and not understand the reason behind the acts? There is much that I don’t understand but with the act of killing the two men who caught the Ark of the Covenant. They acted in good faith but they broke the law. The Ark was not to be touched by them. They touched it and by their death the people surely understood that the rules are to be followed or the consequences of their acts would be suffered. The same was true with the strange fire.

If you agree with me that my odds are better than yours, then why are you not looking for someone to debate (besides me) that can give you their understanding of what you find so offensive about God? Debate and dialogue never hurt anyone. You may find a little better understanding of why so many people disagree with you. We know that you hate God or the belief in God. You are not alone in this belief. However there are just as many people who oppose you. Aren’t you just a little curious as to why we are so gullible?

Anyone with any knowledge of biology are left scratching their head at some of the acts of the animal kingdom. Why does the female spider in some groups enjoy their male sperm donor for dinner after the act? Why does the cuckoo bird lay her eggs in another birds nest and allow the other bird to hatch and feed their young? Hmmm I know some people who do that. I expect that there has been a lot of nail biting since DNA has been discovered.

As far as me loosing my head by Alla or Mohammed, I am not frightened with those odds. There is still a better chance with my choices. I think it would be really cool if we could meet in our eternal bodies and have a sit down and meet our families (yours and mine). You could tell them that I just would not shut up and they would find that a pretty accurate statement. On occasion I was called the mouth of the south. At least I spoke my convictions as do you.

@hello

You mean in comparison with the absolute rubbish that is written in the Bible. Yea right the Earth is flat and is only 6000 years old. I cannot stop you in your quest for ignorance.
Here is an interesting scenario I heard the other day. You are in a foreign country
and are walking alone at night in a suburb you are not familiar with. A group of young men are walking toward you. The question is this: Would you feel more or less comfortable if you knew that this group had just come from a religious meeting?

If you were a Christan and them Islam I might get a bit worried. In Northern Ireland you better not be a Catholic if they are Protestant. Many different combinations can happen but personally I think I would feel a lot less comfortable.

Cheers,
Markus

@Jones

Could be, yep mathematically speaking you will have the better odds. The existence of God is not something that can be calculated using a computer.
What will you do when you get to heaven and Allah is on the throne. “Infidel Jones
what is your explanation for not bowing to me every Friday? Off with your head and to the fires you go”. How stupid must it sound before one starts thinking?
As I said before, perhaps there is a God out there, an impassive God that is not interested in us praying to him. Maybe bees think that the beekeeper is God and pray to him, it is unlikely that the beekeeper expects this.

What I read in the Bible tells me about a mean God, a God with double standards,
a God that will forgive a man for murder, and then kill another for merely putting out his hand to prevent the ark slipping off a wagon.
I cannot see a loving God creating a wasp that injects its eggs into a caterpillar
so that when the wasps young hatch they eat the host while still alive. Personally I would in this instance prefer that this wasp evolved and was never created.
Cheers,
Mark

@Markus
In the end when we meet whatever fate be it like the dog Rover or an eternity, my odds are better than yours. If I am right and there is a God and Jesus is real, I win and you loose. If you are right, we both loose. I like my odds better. In my position, I look forward to the time when I will see my soul mate and others. I have given up nothing and had the greatest position of being able to rid myself of all the burdens that we tend to carry around our necks. Whether it is fact or fantasy, I can let go and let God. You may call it a crutch or whatever but I can handle that. Your religion failed you. I still hang in there with my God. Which of the two of us is better for where we are? I talk to God. Who do you have when the days get almost too hard to face?

@Markus

Hi Mark,

Your intelligence certainly does not cause me any discomfort.

Cause with your earthly intelligence you have no answers to
the basic questions.

Reading books inspired by humans having a limited intellectual
capacity will certainly delay whatever possibility
you have to recuperate.

cheers

@Jones

I browsed through this critique and one again I find the same old argument, this professor has stated in a massive essay in high English what could be summed up in a single paragraph that should go something like this: ‘I disagree with what Dawkins is saying because the fact that species may or may not evolve (in my opinion it is impossible to evolve), has got zero to do with the fact of a creator existing. Professor Willard raises the argument I always raise: who created God, but in reverse, he states the Blind Watchmaker should be more accurately called ‘The Blind Watchmaker Maker’. Professor Willard then proceeds to say: “How dare you (Dawkins) write this drivel in a manner that it is a fact and not a theory”?

A pathetic critique in my view coming from a professor and so called philosopher, who has clearly taken the position of a man who considers a viewpoint contrary to his own as an insult. The idea of natural selection goes over his head just like a neurosurgeons theory will pass over a mechanics head.

I did not read the Blind Watchmaker, I will not either because I tried to read Dawkin’s ‘The God Delusion’, I got about halfway and got fed up with him writing in English that only professors and attorneys will understand.

Cheers,
Markus

@hello
Once again, as usual, when the fundamentalist runs out of ideas for intelligent debate we see the usual insults and sarcasm. I am surprised there wasn’t the commonly used ‘You are going to hell sucker!’.
Yet another great advert for their religion.
Cheers,
Markus

@Jones

@admin
Rado,

While I have not read the book by Mr. Dawkins, I am familiar with him. May I ask you to read the following critique of the book and give me your opinion.

http://www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artID=52

Thanks

Hi,

I must admit that I am very disappointed with your responses.
You guys are not up to the mark!

I strongly recommend ,
1) free bible study course in arabic
2) How to give up speaking rubbish and start speaking in tongues 24/7

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@hello
Hi Hello,

We live in the 21th century now. Ever read something about groundbreaking DNA research? Here is a good article about our recent origin: http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/content/jm-ledgard/exodus
Have you read “The Blind Watchmaker” by Richard Dawkins yet?

@hello
What do you mean I have no idea what I am playing with?
Evolution does not have all the answers. There is plenty a scientists cannot answer, but guess what? They are going forward, DNA, the cure for smallpox, TB and many others sicknesses were unheard of not too long ago.
Bible bashers like you are going where? Some of you nowadays disagree as to whether
the Old Testament is a book of stories that ever really happened, but were put there for lessons to be learned from. Some former Christians are saying the Earth is not a touch over 6000 years old anymore and give the most ridiculous explanations as to why only 6000 years can be calculated. The Christian faith is splitting up more rapidly than a living cell reproduces itself by meosis, and every new faith believes all the others are doomed.
Does this not make you think at all? Are you so bound up in your faith that your mind is impervious to any rational reasoning?

Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,

Mark, do you have a wife and kids?

You have no idea what you are playing with.

Have scientists discovered a complete fossil with the closest link
between ape and man?

Why did not all the apes evolve into men?

The apes who evolved into men evolved in pairs, a male and a female, am I
right? So the pairs that evolved reproduced further or did the earliest
men reproduce with apes?

Apes that evolved used hair removers, so men have no hair on their backs
and those men who have a little hair on their backs have not yet completely
evolved.

From which creature did we inherit the moustache?

About the evolution of certain organs of the apes, I leave that little
interesting bit of research to you.

Please leave the apes to themselves, they certainly don’t have a problem.

Cheers

@hello
Jeez nothing gets past you.
I and you are descendants of apes, whether we like it or not. Personally I would rather have apes as a family than Joe Hover and Jesus as relatives. For Joe is a noteworthy psychopath, and Jesus is nothing but a cheap liar and fraud, as proven from your very own good book of tales.
Cheers,
Markus

@Markus

Hi,
Markus, from what I see in your name it appears that you may be a
direct descendant of St. Mark.

You could ask the scientists to work round the clock with your DNA,
they can successfully make you a descendant of an APE.
This will surely please you!

Anti evolutionists give yourself a great big smile in the mirror, after all God loves you. While you are smiling look at your teeth, did you ever notice your eye teeth?
Do you not wonder why humans who have only eaten cooked meat and vegetables for the last 6000 years need these teeth?
Do you know these teeth are also call canines?
Makes me think, doesn’t it you?

Cheers,
Markus

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have to try very hard to get Atheists to shut up because we don’t want to talk to you or discuss anything with you in the first place. I don’t waste my time and breath attempting to “convert” delusional christians. The JWs don’t bother me because I once told them a story that I was a disfellowshipped Special Pioneer, thrown out for fornication and tobacco use, neither of which I am going to stop. Ever since, when passing my house, they walk on the other side of the street. Hahaha….

Just ask the Christian: ‘Who created God?’ These kinds of questions yours and mine may be answered only by speculating on theories.
The atheist/scientist is at least doing all they know to get answers, based on ‘research and evidence’, unlike their Christian counterparts who get all their answers based on ‘faith’ which itself is based on ancient myths recorded in a very inaccurate book, and when asked these thought provoking questions, they shrug and the give the empty answer: ‘Only God knows’.
Cheers,
Markus

@Sheila Rae
Just read the classic “The Blind Watchmaker” by Richard Dawkins where he explains “the very improbable”…

Just ask the atheist: “Where did DNA come from”? No living cell can start out without it.

I still find it remarkable that Christians professes to be able to keep the Atheist quiet by asking the same questions that Jesus asked.
Atheists to not believe Jesus existed.
Atheist do not believe the crock written in the Bible.
Don’t you get it?
How stupid are you?
If a Muslim quotes the Quran to you will you be converted? No because you don’t believe the Qeran.
Get it?