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Watchtower Quotes Opened I have added the section Watchtower Quotes to this website. These quotes were originally published on quotes.watchtower.ca; the website that has been shut down by the Watchtower Society.

I have not mirrored the quotes-website, but integrated it into Watchtower Information Service. You can discuss the quotes by commenting below them. Click here to go to the Watchtower Quotes!



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Comment by Daniel Chamberlayne (Comment ID: 315024)

THE NEW UPCOMING BOOK CALLED, “THE KINGDOM HALL..NO MORE” WILL BE OUT JUNE 2008.

The author’s name is Daniel Chamberlayne and here is some information about him-

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Daniel J. Chamberlayne was raised in the middle class area of Hollis, Queens, New York by his parents Warren and Louise Chamberlayne. In September of 1974, at the young age of 7, Daniel experienced the tragic loss of his father while vacationing with his parents in Acapulco, Mexico and soon after, Daniel’s mother; Louise Chamberlayne dedicated her life to Jehovah and became a baptized Jehovah Witness. With Daniel’s father now gone, Young Daniel was now indoctrinated as an associate of the Jehovah Witness by his mother and started attending the Kingdom Hall that was located on Hollis Avenue and 201 Street on the regular and was recognized as a un-baptized publisher. Daniel tried constantly to cope with the loss of his father by embracing the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Of the many lessons learned, the one most favored was a prophecy of Armageddon arriving in 1975 and all who had perished would return. Daniel would wait patiently only to realize there would be no 8th birthday with no birthday cake, no return of his father, and no answers. Nevertheless, Daniel honored his mother and participated in all the activities of the Kingdom Hall throughout his childhood till his early twenties. Stifled by the organizational rules, of which there were many, and a great price to pay for anyone breaking them, Daniel began to live a double life. One as a Jehovah’s Witness and a secret life of partying, drinking, girls, and eventually embrace the Hip Hop culture. As a hip hop artist, creating music and writing raps was Daniel’s outlet to dealing with a life of loss, betrayal and resentment that had been building up inside him. Struggling within and seeing the human side of himself put Daniel in jeopardy of being exposed and possible excommunication from an organization which his mother, Louise, was in good standing with. It was the law, so he adapted. In addition, to continued service as a Jehovah’s Witness, Daniel continued making music and hanging with worldly friends such as his childhood associate LL Cool Jay, and his DJ Cut Creator, and freestyling in the streets, parks, backyards with emcees like Mikey D from Laurelton, Queens, The Dynamic Brothers from Freeport,Long Island, and on the college radio WBAU with Doctor Dre from Yo MTV RAPS Chuck D, Mc Dj Flavor, from the Rap Group Public Enemy, to name a few. Daniel was a master at integrating “the teachings” into his music. His slick lyrics with biblical undertones, earned him the name “Geechie Dan”. Although he was offered a recording contract at 19 years old, he rejected it. Deep inside he understood why the sacrifice was necessary. At 16, Daniel started working on Wall Street as a messenger in Lower Manhattan, New York and graduated from Francis Lewis H.S in the year of 1985 and a year later in 1986, he entered York College in Jamaica, Queens, New York. He continued on attending the kingdom Hall as instructed by his mother and on September 4, 1988, by no choice of his, Daniel had gotten baptized as a Jehovah Witness and recognized as an ordained minister in the organization of Jehovah Witness. 18 months later in the early months of 1990, Daniel’s name was publicly read out at the congregation he had been attending for over 15 years that he was now “dis-fellowshipped” and no longer recognized as a Jehovah Witness in good standing 17 years later Daniel has lived in New York, New Mexico and is currently living in Atlanta, Georgia. He is soon to release his freshman title, “The Kingdom Hall No More”. A riveting book about his life experiences with the Kingdom Hall. The book will be out in June 2008 on Author House Publishing



Posted on May 11, 2008 at 6:28 pm

 

Comment by DrinyDiluer (Comment ID: 288618)

I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:



Posted on December 17, 2007 at 10:45 pm

 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 182323)

Well, we had some civilised discussions here for a short while, but it seems the bully-boy tactics are back..

Fri, another one revelling in trying to a offensive as possible, for no reason, without conscience, just for the sake of his own pleasure…



Posted on February 27, 2007 at 11:27 pm


Comment by fri (Comment ID: 182331)

civilised, revelling, would you care to elaborate more on these two words??? I could not find them in the dictionary.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 12:13 am


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 182338)

Do you ever do anything else here other than sycophantically follow Markus around, like a court jester and his king?

Once, just once, say something constructive, if you can.

So far all I have seen from you is abuse in all directons and petty comments about spelling; let me guess, you issue parking tickets for a living, right? Look, that bumper is 1 inch over the line, give him a ticket.

Newsflash: almost all people here want read and post views and ideas, not random personal attacks.

Nobody needs to be offensive, unless, of course, you cannot think of anything else to say.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 12:34 am


Comment by fri (Comment ID: 182563)

Comment ID: 182338 — Yep dude, you got it, part of it at least, I do issue tickets but not parking. I do issue tickets to clowns. Yours is in the mail!



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 1:46 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 182638)

…quod erat demonstrandum

Nothing to say, as usual.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 7:52 pm

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 182295)

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Let me tell you about Mike Buttle, the electrician
who used to do work for the same company I worked at, and when I needed electrical repair to my home I asked him and he always had no problem coming around and sorting out the problem, his fees were very reasonable. A man of small stature, always polite, always seemed to have an extraordinary interest in the welfare of my family.
Mike was killed the other day by some dick brain running a red light. Maybe Joe Hover felt it the correct time to take him away.
I am one of the dispicable unbelievers that we get nowadays, if I am wrong and there is a loving, almighty god out there, I hope he had a large enough orgasim by taking Mike’s life away. I hope Jesus sucks his father’s cock while Satan fucks both of them. When are the ghostly trio going to be relieved of their ficticious kingdom?

Markus



Posted on February 27, 2007 at 10:13 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 182315)

A man using language like that needs professional help. I am sorry about thee loss of your friend, and also sorry you feel the need to say such things. Do you need to be hurtful to others if you are hurting?



Posted on February 27, 2007 at 10:52 pm


Comment by fri (Comment ID: 182317)

I am a professional and I don’t see anything wrong with Markus.
As for you “anonymous, ID 182315″ you seem to have your head stuck up the religious ass so far up that you cannot see the real true for what it is. Yeah Markus, when is this good Joe-hover going to relieve mankind? How many more years of suffering before relief comes?

Just got back from Florida, did I loose much??

You go Markus, you certainly have my support.



Posted on February 27, 2007 at 11:04 pm

 
 

Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 182330)

Markus,
Help me out here. You are an Atheist. God does not exist. Why are you so upset at a figment of someone else’s imagination? You are angry at what? We all loose innocent friends and acquaintances in tragic accidents. Why do you continue to rail on this website when it would serve you just as well if you went out your back door and screamed to the sky. It won’t bring your friend back. It surely didn’t make you feel any better to vent to us. So why?



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 12:03 am


Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 182681)

Hi Jones,

Good point you bring up, cannot fault your logic. Me the Atheist getting pissed off at a non existent God and venting frustration on this site, seems daft doesn’t it.
When I log onto this site and start shooting off how bad Biblegod is, I only have evidence written in the Bible, which most Christians conveniently bypass. I have seen a more than my fair share of tragedies, the worst to date was my brother’s daughter, a lovely young girl who had just been married, I attended the wedding which was unusual as it was a JW function, and we all know how they feel about me and me about them.
Her handsome young husband was killed in a car accident a few months later. When I raised the obvious questions all I got was sheep sheep Jehovah knows what he is doing.
In answer to your question, if it not obvious by now, is to reinforce my theory of Biblegod , who uses a rather sadistic means of getting to be worshipped. I say God is an entity created by man because we are too cowardly to face death by ourselves, I hope I am wrong,
all I am going on is low down logic, I gave up on faith a long time ago.

If you or any other good Christian who goes to church on Sundays, what do you expect to achieve?
A life without problems?
A deity who will look after you and prevent you from being harmed?
Someone who will make you make the correct decisions?
A promise of eternal life on Earth or in Heaven?

Dream on, we all do.

Cheers,
Markus.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 10:17 pm


Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 182723)

Markus,
You come to this site to rail at us to reinforce your theory of Biblegod who uses a rather sadistic means of getting worshiped!!! Or is created by man because we are too cowardly to face death by ourselves. Sounds like you have not really made up your mind which is true. Why blame God for tragedy if you do not believe He exists? That is why I am totally baffled at your anger and hostility because we have decided to believe. You have no faith, I do. I cannot prove God and if I could then it would not be solely a walk by faith. The bible does not teach nor promise a life without problems. It does promise strength to deal with them. There is no promise that He would prevent us from being harmed. The fact that Stephen was stoned and John lost his head is proof of that. Someone who will guide us in making the right decisions, never were we promised anywhere that He would MAKE us make the right decision. A promise of eternal life with Him as evidenced in Rev. 20 and 21 is mine to receive. My faith does not nor has it ever come from the Watchtower. I have comfort in believing that this is not the end for me and people I love. I don’t obsess over your choice. I still don’t understand why you obsess over our choice. Once I accept that God is a just God, I can accept all the carnage you refer to so frequently. A just God will do justice when the time comes. He will deal with the evil and reward the faithful. Now when you have had enough of my rant, you can pound on your desk and shake your head at my absolute stupidity. Notice, I did not try to make my point to you by using language that would cause someone to want to regurgitate. I could have said puke but that is kinda crude. I believe that God in His wisdom will deal with people justly who have never heard of Him. If He is just He will.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 11:52 pm


Comment by Mark (Comment ID: 182754)

Dear Jones,

it may be that the psychology article, in the two parts just below, goes some way towards explaining why we have the rather angry posts you have replied to.

It applies possibly not to to all such posts, but perhaps the comment about security mentioned in the second half could offer some insight here; it offers a theory why some feel the need to defend their views frequently and publicly in the most forceful form possible.

This form of anger is just a particular kind of damage a cult membership does to some people, and neither you or me can do much about it. You said once that you cannot believe all Atheists are like this; well, I know quite a few, and you are absolutely right: most hold their views but have no interest in converting or belittling others. My hope is that a little tolerance will develop in time; it would make a place like this much more useful.

It is good to see that you always try to calm things down, raise the tone, and bring things back to issues in your post.

Mark (the padre, not Mark UK)



Posted on March 1, 2007 at 1:05 am


Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 183130)

Mark the padre
I read the post by Alan and found it very interesting. I hope that others who are struggling with the past will read it also. So many people who come out of the JW religion are so damaged because of the continued suffering they have to endure for the great loss of that support group. They literally have no one to turn to. In the majority of cases there is no recovery program for these individuals to help them to deprogram. They all need a soft place to fall and people to surround them with some sort of emotional assistance. So often the people assisting are more interested in pushing their own religion on the victim. What a conundrum. The very teaching of the Watchtower closes in on the members like a spider weaving a web and they are so entangled that an outsider trying to penetrate is shut out. They already know what the questions are before the outsider opens their mouths. I have to hand it to the leaders. They have done a thorough job of indoctrination. It seems that only the people who start to question or are disfellowshipped will listen to the evidence that is against their doctrine.



Posted on March 1, 2007 at 6:46 pm


Comment by Mark (Comment ID: 183180)

Dear Jones,

I certainly learnt something from most recent Markus’s post. Before I saw that I thought, naively, that if we could find out what the trigger points are that makes a JW question things in the first place, we would get much closer to solving this conundrum, and help them to move on in their own time to where-ever their questions lead them.

I now know it is much more difficult: Even when people have apparently turned their back completely on the Watchtower, they still carry some baggage around with them. This baggage appears to be able to take many forms. So, moving on from the JW experience is is not simply about discovering the problems and adjusting to a new view, Christian or otherwise, it is also about noticing the baggage retained, owning up to it and finding a way to dump it.

It seems a really odd combination, but apparently there is such a thing as a fundamentalist Atheist. This is such an odd concept, at least to me, that I cannot help thinking a JW past must have had a strong part in creating it.

I wish, as group, we could come up with a coherent strategy on how to be of real use to all those people in such a position. Hopefully, by pooling resources and experience, we can come up with some ideas.

It is very frustrating: I am beginning to make sense of this, but I still have no idea how I can really help. It’s like being a doctor who can only diagnose and not treat.

In friendship
Mark



Posted on March 1, 2007 at 10:21 pm


Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 183227)

Dear Mark,

If one has a disease, it can be treated, all one needs to do is use their brain together with their research and experience. It seems you are lacking in these departments as you are eager to run me down with absolutely no evidence of my convictions, a typical fundamentalist, knee jerk reaction, congratulations.

I have every right to run down the JW’s. I have lost family because of this cult. Pray tell me what is your excuse, let me guess, you understand the Bible better and have been hypnotized to a lesser degree.

Besides the JW believing in a slightly different version of the Bible and drawing different conclusions why on earth should you or Jones have anything against these folk, have they done you any harm as they have me?

I am frequently asked: ‘Markus, why do you run down religion? Answer: I see religion as mindless people gaining control over gullible, mainly good folk, and I see this as a very bad thing. I see the clergy or even your local preacher as a liar and a thief, if you wish I will post the scriptures out of your own good book verifying this fact.

Because I am an Atheist this does not automatically make me an idiot, as most fundies think, after all they have the cornerstone of religion and have all the answers until I ask questions, suddenly I am ignored and they go back to their own particular comfort zone, I wish I could be like this, life would be a helluva lot easier.

As for me carryng previous JW baggage, dream on some more my good buddy, fundamentalists can believe anything they want and surely you are no exception.

Cheers,
Markus.



Posted on March 2, 2007 at 12:30 am


Comment by Mark (Comment ID: 183728)

Markus,

You misunderstand me completely. Let’s go through this one point at a time.

1)I have no interest at all to run you down, in fact totally the opposite. I do have an interest in understanding what is going on. I am here to learn something new to me, and hopefully use what I have learnt to bring some good.
2)I am not any kind of fundamentalist, as you know.
3)I am reading and posting here for the same reason as Jones.
4)I have also no interest at all to convince anyone of anything, I am here to listen and learn, and hopefully sometimes help people to set themselves truly free from the JW cult.

I wonder if there is a certain amount of what a psychologist would call “transference” is going on here.

I do not try to make people follow one line or another, just to help them to find out for themselves; I am very happy to let people be whatever they want to be, as long it it really their own free choice. I am not convinced you do the same, looking at what you have written here previously.

I do not have any problems with anyone being an Atheist, but you seem to have problems with people having a faith.

I do not think Atheists are idiots, but I have the impression, from your posts, you think any kind of believer must be.

I do not claim to completely understand the bible, but you seem to.

I did not say that either I or you have any disease, but I used a metaphor to explain how I feel. This feeling is not your fault, but entirely mine.

You talk about my comfort zone, what about your own? Why are you so uncomfortable and irritable if anyone posting here has views different from your own? I don’t need to know the answer to that, but you do. I mean the REAL answer, not the rationalisation.

Mark



Posted on March 2, 2007 at 7:34 pm


Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 184571)

Hey Mark,

I get fed up with folks that think they have the truth and have been illuminated by some idiot preacher at the pulpit.
I get very fed up when people tell other equally minded people their religion is wrong, and immediate conversion to their own form of worship is necessary, in order to be saved.
I have a personal vendetta against the JW. I have felt their uncanny treatment of any ex JW, I am now known as an apostate which perhaps can be better described as one of Satan’s henchmen.
After studying the Bible for some time I sent a polite letter to them requesting a debate, in front of a partian JW audience, amount of letters sent = 8. Amount of answers received = 1, politely declining as their excuse was this will not help either of our causes.
They were only 50% correct because I reckon I could have turned many a faithful JW away using nothing but their own Bible and a small amount of logic.

Personally I have nothing against religion, I have never studied the Koran and so am unqualified to demean the Muslims, however I feel the same madness creeping in here, a religion based on what was written so long ago, by people with an agenda of their own, with clearly and obviously no regard to the welfare of future generations.

I have friends who are Roman Catholic, reborn Christians and even a few Muslims. We get on fine because we understand each other, we never try to assert personal belief.

The world would be a better place if only we could accept each other for what we are.

If you get mildly annoyed at me for letting the fundamentalist Christian know I do not wish to believe his nonsense and give him reasons why, rather you should get annoyed at him for peddling his version of the truth, which he barely understands as most which profess all knowledge have not even read their own
Bible in it’s entirety.
One good thing about the Bible, even I will admit, it does not mix it’s punches, it will give you the very bad, and a chapter or two later will give you very good.

I have been approached by many a Chritian admitting I know the Bible well and why don’t I use this against the JW and similar cults? Fact is I would just love to believe Jesus dies for us and I could never answer this quesion honestly without telling them that, according to me their own particular faith is equally ridiculous.

Cheers,
Markus.

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Posted on March 4, 2007 at 11:49 pm

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 183191)

Jones,

In your own good book, if you take it seriously, or if you believe it to be fables or accounts of History to guide us, clearly shows us that Biblegod is not the biggest most beautiful plant in the garden. Sorry for ranting and raving as you probably think I am doing now, but all I am doing is putting a viewpoint across, I have recently accounted personal experiences that make me believe less in the great Savior. I share them with you because when I show you that according to the Bible, your own loving God is a Madman it is ignored.

Any God that sent his innocent son to die for us is both ridiculous and illogical. Picture this, I have four children, 3 of them took their mothers side and turned out downright evil, my first born was the only one that took after me and was good, so after much thought as to how to deal with the matter I decided to kill him and so his death would clear the others of any sin. A great sacrifice; ha! what a joke, a great act of murder is a more likely verdict.

If you believe in a loving God that allowed the atrocities of the holocaust to take place I wish the very best for you, and I hope you will receive a less horrific end than the millions of people being starved, frozen
and eventually wiped out when they became too weak to be of any use to the regime at the time.

Sing praises to your Jesus, he is having a good laugh rolling the dice to see which of us kicks the bucket next.

Cheers,
Markus.



Posted on March 1, 2007 at 11:02 pm


Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 183221)

Markus,
May I say that my condolences are with you in whatever misfortune that has come your way. Life is not always fair.
Please allow me to answer you on the God and Son.
This is one of the greatest JW misrepresentations of the bible. Before he became the son, he was an equal to God. So says John 1. He made the choice to become the sacrifice for our sins. It was not God making the decision to do this. If you do not accept the Godhead 3 then you will not understand the act. Oh how I wish I could sit down with you and share with you a proper study of the scriptures. You would have a completely different understanding. It is not God creating all the chaos. It is evil and sin.
I really don’t understand your anger. You are not a believer but you are upset with me. I care that you are so angry. Don’t let this blow your mind but I am praying that you will have some kind of peace or closure or maybe belief.
I’ll share this with you. I have a grandson born with cytomegaly virus. He developed it early in the pregnancy. This resulted in a beautiful little boy who is deaf, has cerebral palsy, and many other problems. He has a co clear implant so that now he can hear. Can you believe that he is one on the greatest blessings we have ever experienced? Do we blame God. No. We don’t fault anyone for the misfortunes that come our way. We believe the message in Heb. 11 and fully expect the same rewards.



Posted on March 2, 2007 at 12:17 am


Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 183236)

Jones,

Hi again,

I am not upset, neither am I angry certainly not towards you, maybe toward your God, whose existence is debatable, or non-debatable in most cases.
A child born with a disability, is a sad reality, a working colleague of mine brought his daugter to work one day, this lovely kid had legs of jelly, no possibility of her walking, ever. She gets along just fine with the caring and loving of her parents and with the help of science, not Jesus, will probably lead a relatively normal life, and I wish her the very best.
Does a God do this to test our faith? Never! A loving God could never be this cruel. It was a case of chromosomes getting mixed up at the wrong time, simple as that, no one is to blame.

Cheers,
Markus



Posted on March 2, 2007 at 12:57 am


Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 183661)

Hi Markus
It has been a rough night we all have experienced in our part of the world. My son attended high school in the little town that was hit by a tornado. Lives were lost there. My childhood home was near the one that was in Georgia. The winds were horrible here in the Florida panhandle.
Please let me explain to you that I study the JW religion so that I may be ready to assist or make a difference to someone in that group who needs help. For that reason I choose to have a voice in this debate. I have shared with you the reason I started to study the belief. Through my intervention at least one person was helped. Who knows what will happen in the future? The JW’s are such a closed society it is not possible for an outsider to get the “list” of people who are being disfellowshipped. I want to help.



Posted on March 2, 2007 at 4:23 pm

 
 

Comment by elder molester (Comment ID: 184690)

Former San Jose church elder sent to prison for molesting young girl
Bay City News Service
A former Jehovah’s Witness elder was sentenced today in a San Jose courtroom to 12 years in state prison for the repeated molestation of a young congregant.

Armando Ortiz, 36, stared intensely at the ground throughout his hearing.

Ortiz gave a list of personal, financial and immigration problems that plagued him from 2001 to 2003, when he molested his friend’s daughter, who was 8 to 11 years old at the time.

Ortiz claimed his position as an elder in the church made it difficult to seek help for his many problems at the time of the crimes. At the time, Ortiz was living in the home of a close friend and was involved in a romantic affair with the man’s wife, who was the mother of the victim.

Judge Brian Walsh acknowledged Ortiz’s comments but said they were nothing more than a list of excuses and said he did not hear an apology to a girl to whom Ortiz most likely caused irreparable damage.

`I think that justice was done and that it was a fair sentence,'’ Deputy District Attorney Sumerle Davis said. `It’s a very unfortunate and sad situation.'’

The victim’s family has since moved out of state to `put this behind them,'’ Davis said.

Ortiz received the maximum 12-year sentence for continued sexual abuse of a child and will have to register as a sex offender.



Posted on March 5, 2007 at 2:49 am

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Alan (Comment ID: 182487)

The cult leaver as aggressive Atheist – a psychological perspective

It is a characteristic of a cult that they claim exclusivity of truth and salvation. Therefore members perceive membership as vitally important and all non-members are segregated and seen as doomed.

This intolerant view is constantly enforced within the cult and held as fundamental by all members.

People leave a cult for a variety of reasons, some because of dissatisfaction about a particular aspect of the cult, and some, having “lapsed” in some way, are forced out.

The problem is, once somebody leaves a cult like that, it is rare that all issues are fully resolved. For example, many ex-JW retain at least some of the views they previously defended so strongly: God is still called Jehovah, or some of the teachings on morality are retained, like a disdain of homosexuality, or simply the “black and white” view of philosophical or religious teachings are retained, or the methodology in argument is retained.

Only a cult leaver who successfully negotiated all issues after leaving is able to be a normal, tolerant person.

People with unresolved issues, even if they are subconscious, often feel the need to very aggressively reject all religion; this stems for a still held subconscious view that their cult really is the only “true” one, and they have failed to be able to hold on to this “truth”. This unresolved issue therefore causes much pain in having to acknowledge, also on a sub-conscious level, that they have lost all hope for salvation. The only thing that releases this pain is to repeatedly enforce a view on themselves and on others that all religions must be false, stupid and pointless, because either there is no God or at least no loving God. This need to openly reject all forms of religion remains strong until such a person realises that their own existentialist assumption is a nasty remnant of their past, and tolerance can only develop once this issue is resolved. In other words, such aggressive behaviour stems from insecurity, caused by unresolved issues. Some people will never get out of this cycle and find peace, others eventually overcome this problem by looking at what views of the former existence are still alive and well inside them and by addressing these issues. Then they may retain their Atheist outlook, but are able to concede that other views too could be valid, even though perhaps not for them.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 9:29 am


Comment by Alan (Comment ID: 182596)

One more point I forgot to mention:

Cults offer, above all, certainty and security. This certainty and surcity is an illusion, but it is very important to members, and one who has left will miss this above all.

Therefore it is not surprising that such a person seeks refuge in pseudo-empiricism, and adopts an aggressive, intolerat version of Atheism. This will act as a replacement security blanket, as nothing is more horrifying to a cult member than uncertainty.

The fact that religion is in the end about exploring the unknown, the mysteries of life, will be quite uncomprehensible to such a mind set. Because of the need for absolute certainty in all things, it seems better to stick with a simplistic pseudo-scientific world, and never to step outside this mindset, even if it means that a search for meaning in life in no longer possible.

Because people with any kind of faith will usually try to point out that life is about more than just scientifically proven facts, these are seen as a threat to the relatively safe mindset, and they are reacted to with extreme agression.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 4:54 pm


Comment by Mark (Comment ID: 182664)

Thank you Alan for clarifying this.

This helps to make some sense of some of the odd things going on here. It goes some way towards explaining why we get some rather strange posts sometimes, and why people sometimes completely talk past each other.

It also may provide an explanation why quite ofter we get personal comments and attacks rather than a measured reply to a comment, or replies attacking the person rather than the point, or occasionally misconstructions of points made which then are attacked rather than the point itself.

As always, if you really want to understand a person, you need to know where they are coming from.



Posted on February 28, 2007 at 9:46 pm

 
 
 
 

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