Watchtower shuts down Quotes website

December 25th, 2005 | Posted in: , JWs vs. the World | Keywords: , , | 99 Comments



WTS vs Quotes: Requiem for a Research Web Site

In compliance with the terms of a Settlement Agreement, my information and research web site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca, is now “dark”. The domain “Watchtower.ca” has been transferred to WTS (I assume they will have it pointing to Borg.org watchtower.org ASAP). My copies of the site have been destroyed, the files deleted, and my WT Library CD has been destroyed, in accordance with the Settlement Agreement which will afford a “discontinuance” of their suit against me. (Interesting aside: a discontinuance means the suit is merely in “suspended animation”. It will always be there, waiting to thaw out, to haunt me for the rest of my life. It will become part of my estate after I’m gone. That’s just the way it works.)

The complete scan of the settlement (PDF) is available by clicking here.

It has been said that settlement negotiations are two people working toward a mutually disagreeable conclusion. Unfortunately, due to the restrictions of Paragraph 12 of the settlement, I am unable to comment on the negotiations of the settlement. However, by that same paragraph, I am able to comment on the terms of the settlement; hence I provide the details by providing the complete settlement agreement. I have nothing to hide.

Now I can put this behind me, but I am free to talk about it publicly. Of course, that will be challenging, since I agreed, as part of the settlement, to destroy all my copies of the site and also destroy my WT LIBRARY CD. But at least I will be able to tell my story. In fact, I may even write a book, or perhaps (when I dare to dream) a screenplay. I am thinking of a farcical yet fact-based comedy, with Jim Carey playing the lead. Can you imagine the high-jinx?  ALLRIGHTYTHEN!

I extend my sincere and deep THANKS to everyone that offered moral support and offers of financial help.

Frequently Ask Questions


Q: Surely people here at JWD would help with legal expenses. Why did you give up so easily? I offered you money and you didn’t accept it!

A: I was truly thankful to the many people that offered money (and for the record, I did not accept any money from anyone). However, let me explain the magnitude of the finances involved so you can see how futile this was. Intellectual Property disputes are a specialty under the law. This is another way of saying IP lawyers charge a LOT of money. $500 per hour is the STARTING number, at the bottom of the scale. If my case went to trial, I could easily be up to $50,000 to $100,000 before ever getting in front of a judge, just with all the pre-trial motions, discovery, mandated mediation, legal research, etc. Once finally in court, costs can be $10,000 PER DAY.

If I added up all the wonderful offers of assistance, I would have, perhaps, $2,000 to $3,000. That may be enough for a simple, uncontested divorce or something, but is not nearly enough to cover my costs in this case. Also, I know that many of you, like the parable of the widow with the two coins that gave all she had, (insert groan here) were offering me money you really couldn’t afford to be without. I could not in good conscience accept money from people that are themselves struggling to make ends meet.

I would ask that you instead direct your money to a much more worthy cause: Shunned Father in Calgary is suing WTS. His case is very  promising. I don’t know if he has completed setting up his Defence Fund, but I know that is where I am going to put my money.


Q: But if/when you win the case, you would be able to get your legal costs back by filing a claim for costs!

A: True, but I would still have to come up with the money up front. Do you have $100,000? I don’t. I suppose I could have 2nd mortgaged my home, or even sold it; sold my car, etc. But frankly, it likely still wouldn’t have been enough. And I fully expect that WTS would have used every trick in the book to drag things out as long as possible, knowing that my funds would run out long, long before theirs. It has taken 3.5 months just to reach a “quick, give it all away” settlement. How long would it have taken if I fought them? How much would it have cost?


Q: But their case is completely without merit! Their arguments in the Statement of Claim are not even internally consistent! You didn’t break any copyright laws! How can you let them get away with this B.S.??

A:

“We are not talking about ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, Arthur. We are talking about The Law” — the lawyer on the TV show WKRP in Cincinnati

I must say, I was very naive. I felt, and still feel, that my Watch Tower Quotes web site was fully in compliance with copyright law, and therefore I felt I was safe and would be held harmless. But I was naive to think that just because I was not breaking any laws, WTS would be unable to do anything. Obviously, I overestimated their decency; or perhaps, underestimated their ability to “frame mischief by law”. I felt that only radical groups like Scientology would stoop to the strong-arm tactics of a law suit. Obviously, I was wrong.

They have access to millions of dollars of cash and assets, and also have the convenience of in-house legal counsel (clothed, housed, and paid for through tax-exempt donations). IMO, WTS is 80% printing/publisher, and 20% law firm. Keep in mind, you don’t have to be a very good lawyer to harass someone by launching a suit. BTW, WTS retained a TOP Intellectual Property law firm. I think, amazingly, they actually sincerely expected to litigate this. Obviously they overestimated how deep “Satan’s” pockets are! I wonder if any of the tax-exempt “Katrina Relief” or “Asian Tsunami Relief” money ended up paying for lawyers, thanks to it being labelled only for the “Worldwide Work”? (I’m just speculating here.)


Q: “Quotes, I am a multi-millionaire, and I want to fund your fight.”

A: Where were you 3 months ago? And do you need a resident nerd to fix your computer?   

OK, seriously now. Even if this offer were made, I would still be reluctant to continue to fight WTS. Just these past 3.5 months have taken a tremendous emotional toll on both me, and (more importantly) my lovely, supportive wife. She was never a JW, and doesn’t deserve to get abused by WTS persecution.

Also, this arrived when I was at a time in my life when I thought the WTS toll was entirely behind me. I was done with being an ex-JW, and was slowly becoming a regular person. I rarely updated my site, (having realized that cataloging interesting and significant WTS quotes is an ENDLESS job) and rarely posted here at JWD. Then, on Sept 8, I got punched in the stomach, when I was served.

“I tried to get out, but they kept pulling me back in!”

You have to pick your battles. And this isn’t a battle I want to fight. If you have access to large amounts of money, and want to make WTS look foolish to the world by having them silence their own words, well, be my guest. More power to you. But realize you are playing in their domain, by their rules.


Q: I downloaded a copy of your site using one of the two methods you had posted. I now want to put it on my own web space. Will that hurt you? Should I do this?

A: I will not offer an opinion on this. I have destroyed all copies of my site “known to and controlled by” me. If you have a site, I don’t want to know about it, and furthermore, I obviously have no control over it.



Q: But your site was such a valuable resource! It was unique in that it used primary documents, and refrained from editorializing. It was widely linked to as support for many other JW/WTS Education and Research web sites. What about that? What about the children! Did you ever stop to think about the children?

A: I am truly sorry that I have been forced to remove this resource due to Watch Tower’s persecution. But the world turned before my site came along, and I’m certain that it will continue to rotate now that “Quotes” is dark.

I have long felt that the most damaging, most effective tool against Watch Tower (or any other High Control Group) is to carefully and rationally study the group’s words and works. WTS thrives on information control, including controlling access to their own information — not too much, not too soon. Clearly my site struck a nerve with the old men that control WTS. Their Statement of Claim plainly stated that they feel that a collection of their own words can only have one purpose: to embarrass them. (BTW, I’ve never figured how they felt that, even if such a ridiculous claim were true, how it is relevant to a case of alleged copyright infringement! I didn’t see any “embarrassment” clauses in the Copyright laws.)

Perhaps one day another young Jedi Paduan, or old Jedi Master, will pick up the torch. The funny thing about squishing Cockroaches is they seem to be able to reproduce faster than you can squish them. You don’t have to worry about the one you just squished, you have to worry about the 10,000 offspring hatching under the cupboard.


Finally, since I am certain that my posts here are monitored to ensure my ongoing compliance with the terms of the Settlement Agreement, I would like to offer the following lyrics, in a gesture of, frankly, legitimate Copyright Violation. You know, if you’re going to do the time, you might as well do the crime.

Of course I’ve heard this song many times before, but when I heard it a couple of days ago, I immediately thought of the following people, and it is to these people I

would like to dedicate this little ditty:

  • Ken Little (President of WTS Canada, and signatory to the Settlement Agreement)
  • Glen How, O.C., Q.C., L.S.M., (and personal friend of my mother since her first days in Canada)
  • John Burns, LL.B.
  • David Gnam, CGA, LL.B. (and as the CGA, likely the only person who REALLY knows how much money they have, at least in Canada)
  • Shane H. Brady, LL.B. (and CBBE: Cinnamon Bun Baker Extraordinaire!)
  • …and all the other (Ken) Little people, the cleaners, the drywallers, the plumbers, the floor refinishers, order desk clerks, and the rest of the Nowhere Men who become pseudo-important — albeit dysfunctional — elders within the confines of The Watch Tower Society… men that fight to protect their little fiefdom with all the sincerity of a September 11th Terrorist.
He’s a real nowhere man,

Sitting in his nowhere land,

Making all his nowhere plans

for nobody.

Doesn’t have a point of view,

Knows not where he’s going to,

Isn’t he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere man, please listen,

You don’t know what you’re missing,

Nowhere man, the world is at your command.

He’s as blind as he can be,

Just sees what he wants to see,

Nowhere man can you see me at all?

Nowhere man, don’t worry,

Take your time, don’t hurry,

Leave it all ’till somebody else

Lends you a hand.

Doesn’t have a point of view,

Knows not where he’s going to,

Isn’t he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere man, please listen,

You don’t know what you’re missing,

Nowhere man, the world is at your command.

He’s a real nowhere man,

Sitting in his nowhere land,

Making all his nowhere plans

For nobody.

Making all his nowhere plans

for nobody.

Making all his nowhere plans

For nobody.

~Quotes, of the “Once I Had A Web Site, Made it Run On Time… Brother, Can You Spare A Dime?” class

Originally posted on jehovahs-witness.com



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Comment by Bodyguard7 (Comment ID: 320066)

What is astounding about this is that for an organization that claims to be ‘no part of the world’ they do not hesitate to use any worldly means to destroy the free flow of information- even if it is hiding direct quotes from the WTS itself.

In numerous discussions I have had in my BG7 WTS investigative projects (much less than yourself I presume), and after seeing this especially, one can simply stand in awe of the power Satan has to corrupt the minds of men into propagating a religion that seeks to control by the strict funneling of information.

God admonishes man to “prove all things”. The WTS society forces its own to know nothing but through the lens of the WTS.

Satan, the Lord rebuke you. Your time is coming.



Posted on June 10, 2008 at 12:34 am

 

Comment by bhob (Comment ID: 303084)

what would jesus do?



Posted on February 5, 2008 at 2:14 pm

 

Comment by Concerned Writer (Comment ID: 296212)

Gee, it’s too bad a copy of your CD didn’t get pirated and placed on a P2P site…



Posted on January 12, 2008 at 11:58 am

 

Comment by DrinyDiluer (Comment ID: 289643)

I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:



Posted on December 20, 2007 at 2:35 am

 

Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 217642)

Some thoughts for the happy camper ever smiling the Lord loves me Christians:

Folks, most of you will not accept with what I put forward in this argument, it contains a similar dialogue I happened to recently have with a representative of my former religion which used to be the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I saw some of the well dressed faithful doing the rounds in the road I live and invited them in.
Always willing to accept tea and biscuits, I made these good folk feel comfortable. We had a brief discussion on the sport of the day, us South Africans getting the better of the Australians and New Zealanders in the Super 14 Rugby.
It was not long before the leading representative took it upon himself to cut to the chase and tell me the good news, which for those of you who don’t know, involves 99% of mankind being wiped out by our loving father and son consortium.
He lead me to Matt 24 where the description of the world’s end is quite clear: floods, famine, disease, war etc.
I complained to him that in Matt 24 the scriptures were clearly talking about the folk then living, and he disagreed saying I should read then whole of the Bible including Revelation. To cut a long story short the clever JW was soon very happy to put a maximum amount of distance between them and I. All I was doing was asking him about the myriads of contradictions in the good book. I had not even started on my favourite subjects of the fabled creation and the great flood.
It came as a shock to him as it will to most of you out there, that the Atheist knows more about the scriptures than do most Christians. This is because most of us (who were Christian, take note) have taken the time to read the scriptures and understand them, and have come to our conclusions which generally speaking are as follows:
Biblegod is a bastard in the Old Testament but a hero in the New.
The convergence of both these pieces of writings is unlikely, as is confirmed by the Jews who will have nothing to do with the NT. I mean hell, lets get realistic, Biblegod brought lightning down and fried the unbelievers, even the good old mule keeper named Uzzah who put his hand out to prevent the Ark from falling was unbelievably murdered by our nice guy God.

Jesus and the New Testament comes along and we have a very good man who according to the good book had thousands of followers, he did a heck of a lot of good things, healing the sick, feeding hoards, turning water into wine and even raising the dead.
One would think this amazing fellow would be famous, we would imagine there would be rock paintings, perhaps sculptures of this incredible man.
But when one looks at reliable historical records this is not so.
Sorry folks, there is nothing other than the pathetic record by ancient historian whose name was Josephius whose extensive writings include the great Jesus in less than three paragraphs. Even these few words are deemed by scholars to have been forged by the clergy.
If the senile old men that wrote the scriptures, chose to have man created by Biblegod who waved his magic wand and turned the nearest tadpole into a man we would have swallowed it, why? Because it was written over 6000 years ago, while the art of writing was in its infancy.
In my opinion religion is a means of gaining revenue by the greedy from the mindless.
The notion of selling someone an idea that they will continue after their physical bodies have run out of gas has to be an evil absurdity in its purest form.

Cheers,
Markus



Posted on May 26, 2007 at 12:52 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 219076)

im sick of you markus shut the fuck up u big pussy boohoo boohoo no one knows the truth especially you u fucking douchebag in your opinion religion is a way of revenue GUESS WHAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR FUCKING OPINION YOU FUCKING TOOL WOW YOU SCAREDAWAY THE WITNESSES SHUT THE FUCK UP EVERYONE HAS SCARED AWAY THE WITNESSES IT SEEMS LIKE THE JWS SCARED YOU YOUE ACT LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING U MARKUS KNOWS EVERYTHING MARKUS KNOWS EVERYTHING MARKUS IS GOD I LOVE MARKUS OH BY THE WAY FUCK JWS AND FUCK YOU



Posted on May 30, 2007 at 2:46 am


Comment by Girlz (Comment ID: 350787)

What a `spongehead



Posted on August 31, 2008 at 7:05 am

 
 

Comment by no name (Comment ID: 279464)

here’s a good question for you if there is no God then why is there a feeling of emptyness, why does man kind search so hard to fill this need, you know something is missing, if no God then what?



Posted on November 8, 2007 at 6:40 am


Comment by name (Comment ID: 279505)

To no name, if there is a God then why is there a feeling of emptiness (not emptyness) why so much suffering why so much death? Food for thought you no name



Posted on November 8, 2007 at 12:11 pm


Comment by no name (Comment ID: 279615)

in Christ the only thing I suffer for is believing in him and thats ok, Death in Christ means Life. Their is an enemy though, he doesn’t want any one to see the truth, so he opresses any one who does not know Christ, to keep them away from Christ.



Posted on November 9, 2007 at 2:39 am


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 279618)

The feeling of emptiness you stated would have to be associated with the fact that you only ever knew organized man-made religion.
Consider the fact that despite your beliefs and ideology regarding a God, creation, a Messiah, etc, what is written in the Bible has never actually been established as factual. Sure, we can point to certain aspects & snippets of info & archeological developments that reaffirms our beliefs; however that doesn’t actually prove anything. Be realistic; think about the bigger picture, not just the concept of reality that has been provided to you since birth or whenever you adopted your beliefs.
Consider that there has been many evolutions of Christianity since its inception, even new ones to this day, however every one of them will manipulate and/or perceive that a given fact or new development from a secular standpoint justifies their belief/doctrinal structure, yet these beliefs could all be different from each others.

Yes, it is easy to judge each other with the firm conviction that our faith/beliefs are the only way, however if none of them can be proven factually, just what do you have?



Posted on November 9, 2007 at 2:54 am


Comment by no name (Comment ID: 279624)

you have a good point if some thing cannot be proved true then it prabably is a lie, but consider this can you prove scientifically (that’s what I see you are implying) that you did something, example let’s say that you rode a bike yesterday, can you prove that scientifically? (remember science can only study things that are observable, measureable, and repeatable)



Posted on November 9, 2007 at 3:57 am

 

Comment by no name (Comment ID: 279627)

The last comment I left was ok but I remembered something else. emptiness is not wether or not it is true but rather do you feel as if there is more to this life than what you know? think about it, do you feel that way? you don’t have to give me an answer



Posted on November 9, 2007 at 4:17 am

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 281082)

hi markus it’s no name,

you have a pretty good argument there, here is what I know. JW and true Christianity are two Different religions, just compare the main verses that support Jehovah Witness major beliefs in the NWT and the New International Version (NIV). The Bible wasn’t written 6000 years ago some authors lived in A.D. and
God has just the same amount of wrath as he did, he had the same amount of grace then as he does now. the only difference is his son Jesus Christ, whom died on the cross for any one who chooses to believe that he is LORD and Savior. When you do choose this his blood that was shed covers you, you are considered perfect in his eyes, and you always will be once you choose to believe that he did die for you, he is LORD and Savior, and believe that God raised him from the dead. this is something JW’s won’t tell you because they don’t believe it. 1John 4:7-12,16, 18-21 (NIV)



Posted on November 16, 2007 at 4:53 am

 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 195538)

The Watchtower was secretly started and is supported
by the proponents for the new world order. As are current governments. This is a world wide plan to change the hearts and minds of people to a uniform worldwide belief system in the near future. The purpose of the watchtower doctrines is to destroy religious beliefs in people. (particularly christianity) by exposing the folly of christendom and reasons why traditional christian doctrine is absurd.Once a person becomes a JW he/she no longer believes in the doctrines of christendom. Once that person leaves the JWs they have no belief system and have no desire to join any because they now know that religions are illogical.(which is the goal of the Powers behind the JWs,namely that everyone who joins be made to get disillusioned with it and leave.Most people don’t stay in it their whole life. Only the mentally ill stay with the org.) In the same way the islamic republic of Iran was created to eventualy make people lose faith in Islam. It’s all part of the plan and it won’t be long now.



Posted on March 25, 2007 at 9:16 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 195565)

to Anonymous (Comment ID: 195538), you have been watching too many cartoons.



Posted on March 25, 2007 at 10:44 pm

 

Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 195640)

Is the sky blue on your panet?



Posted on March 26, 2007 at 3:27 am

 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 217375)

that sounds like a promising possibility but im not saying its totally correct.the thing that caught my eye was once a person leaves the witnesses whether baptised or not your belief system is almost nonexsistent. i would say this especially relates to people that are born and raised a JW.the problem with this NWO idea is that JWs shun or shall i say hate the goernment.How can u hate the government if the government is part of the NWO it is impossible in my eyes for someone trying to fulfill the NEW world order yet be against the government.i will comment more later



Posted on May 25, 2007 at 11:32 pm

 

Comment by Recapitated (Comment ID: 298289)

I hear the WT is also preparing to employ its members as cleaning people for the Illuminati; I guess the elites appreciate polite servants who would never think of stealing from the masters ;0

And check this out:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_russell_bloodline.htm



Posted on January 20, 2008 at 12:13 pm

 
 

Comment by Elijah's altar to God (Comment ID: 193991)

Time and time again, they’ve gone before the supreme court and won. It seems that when Jehovah wants something done it will happen.

p.s.
Ha Ha!



Posted on March 23, 2007 at 1:08 am

 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 156134)

The Watchtower Society pressures EVERYBODY in Jehovah’s Witnesses to preach door-to-door.

EVERYBODY includes people who say they are repentant for sins of all sorts, which also means

wanted pedophiles, murderers, stalkers and the like…



Posted on February 1, 2007 at 5:38 am

 

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