Moscow Police detains Jehovah’s Witnesses during the Memorial of Christ’s Death

April 14th, 2006 | Posted in: , JWs vs. the World | Keywords: , , | 175 Comments



Jehvah\'s Witnesses in Moscow“They burst in at the height of the service, when the symbols were being passed,” Kanin, the spokesman of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia said, referring to the bread and wine used to symbolize Jesus Christ’s body and blood. “They wouldn’t even allow them to finish the ceremony. There was nothing secretive going on there.”

The Memorial was attended by about 200 Jehovah’s Witnesses. The police, who arrived in 10 squad cars after Moscow citizens reported the meeting, detained 14 Jehovah’s Witnesses and questioned the detainees between two and four hours before they were released.

The police told the worshipers that they were violating a 2004 ban on Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow.

In June 2004, the Moscow City Court barred the denomination from engaging in religious activities, citing a law that bans religious groups deemed to incite hatred or intolerance.

Kalin, the spokesman of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, said the ban applied to Jehovah’s Witnesses only as a legal entity and that the Russian Constitution guaranteed members freedom of assembly.

The U.S. State Department’s 2005 report on religious freedom, released in November, said that “some federal agencies and many local authorities” in Russia “continued to restrict the rights of various religious minorities” and cited specifically the 2004 ban of Jehovah’s Witnesses activities in Moscow.

The report cited “indications that the security services, including the Federal Security Service, increasingly treated the leadership of some minority religious groups as security threats.”

Criticism concerning the lack of religious freedom has been repeatedly dismissed by government and Russian Orthodox Church officials.

There are about 10,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses in Moscow and 142,439 in whole Russia, according to Watchtower statistics.

Sources used: MOSNEWS.COM and The Moscow Times.



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Comment by DrinyDiluer (Comment ID: 288285)

I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:



Posted on December 17, 2007 at 4:23 pm


Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 288371)

To DrinyDiluer,
There is no need to post your stupid post under every section. Go into the street and shout it out aloud for Christ’s sake, you Doos.



Posted on December 17, 2007 at 4:59 pm

 
 

Comment by ramon (Comment ID: 265574)

“”"”"So what did they do?? Verses like John 1:1 - “In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
What does the watchtower transaltion say? “…and the Word was ‘a’ God”"”"”"

Look at this way:

” In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and “in” the Word was God”

There is two different “the Word and God”
the Word is not God
May refers to “the Word Loss”
May refers to “the Word’s God”

If anyone speaks, what’s the diference between the person ans his word?

If a King speaks, what’s the difference between him ans his word?

At the begining was not law, then it should need “the word” , when the laws come in no more iss necessary the word, only to extend to explain the law.

But this at all, it’s only the God of the Bible and only for the Earth.

Open your mint and look at all the others Big religions.

I suggest all of you take the course “Comparative Religions” in some non-religious University.

Who was first the Man or God?
Who created the Man?
Who created God?
God have not relevance without The Man.
Need’s God the Man?
What means Good? and Man?
If God did creation of the Word, that means before that creation God had not Word because nobody was there.
Why God did creation of the Word?
Was not happy God alone?

Aparently no sense about these questions, but make a meditation about them.



Posted on September 8, 2007 at 6:48 am

 

Comment by Astrekapolis (Comment ID: 264218)

Again it seems that i find people making a good point and then later down the road rattle on idiotic as much as they try to attack someones elses positions. I’ve been many times a idiot like that.

For example:

Good points with the Greek translation that Jezus is God, but come-on telling me that there is a Trinity doctrine i should believe in. I can’t figure out why Christian religions try to attack other Christian religions while all of them are brainwashed cults.

What is Jezus thinking right now of us wathcing peoples dogfights because their Christian religion is better then the other Christian religion?

Did Jezus not warn us in advance to be aware of the man who is speaking? Did Jezus also not say who is without sin throw the first stone? Who are we to judge other peoples religions while our own are as disgusting covered with filth?

When looking from Jezus perspective we have to acknowledge there are many Gods, one that he mention is so powerful that is able to blind mankind and keep them dumb of Jezus father wishes. Jezus mentions to keep our light shining when he returns from Heaven and ALL who will follow him will be saved and he will fight the God of this World along with his followers.

We All are blind and idiots as we keep continueing doing what this God of this World wants us to do, slander and hammer our own human existince and attack each other to prove that we are better humans than the other human beens. Take for example the two religions Demcrats and Republicans, both will let us know that the are better then the other one. All Religions are made by the God of this World. No Religion has been made by Jezus right now on Earth. All Religions could be said off that they are cults in existence of Human proudness. Do you really believe that we as humans are not able to find lots of wrong in every single Religion. Your blinded by the God of this World if you think your religion is the correct one. Otherwise there is still hope for you and Jezus will be able to take our shell from our eyes.

The strenght in our human existence is not being individual but conquer the God of this World by all means with good and only we can conquer Evil when Human mankind is solidair and tolerant with each other willing to do good and extinc evil. We all are born knowing what is good or wrong in live given by our God who created us. (ofcourse this i do not write for atheist, people who can not accept the concept of their own intelligence existence created by God, thinking that out of nothing, intelligent lives exist. I have 0 dollars and for 5 billion years i’m adding 0 dollars, what do i end up with 0 dollars ofcourse ?Nothing will not change unless a intelligence adds dollars to this. Do not think i rule out evolution but at the same time you can not rule out God our creator. Would it not be time to honor him through Christ instead of slandering and trying to shame each other by our words? Why do we call him still God while there are so many Gods existing? I don’t call you mister or miss either when i would like to talk with you specific? I honor your existence by calling you John or Jane, the names you were given by birth so you know who i would like to talk with. So stop calling GOD GOD as you might talk with the wrong GOD. Call him what’s his name is “I am ….. “. If we as human mankind would have done that long time ago he might have even accelarated the New World Order that he plans to be created by his son Jesus and whipe out this God of this World.

Anyway that will not happen as as soon i post this and others read this will disagree with my points of view. Which i think is a good thing as this helps to make sure we all know what the thruth is, not being dumb like a sheep following man’s word but be critical thinking human beens. Mankind can not be won by evil but only by good or GoXd (one o less). Aren’t we all brainwashed and isn’t a great experience to break out of this and understand that questions need to be asked to get the right answers?

There was a time in history or even current in some countries whereby you could not ask questions? You either would be killed by your own Religion or own Goverment but today in many countries whe have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. How great is that? Because of that we won against the God of this World.

So here is my point after all this chat. Be more tolerant to each other even if you don’t like each other Dogma or Stigma. No point of scolding or trying to shame each other because we are feeling better then the other one. That is a tactic that this God of the World uses to spread chaos and intollerance. We are not here to judge as Jesus said who is without sin throw the first stone.

Being constructive is giving positive thinking in this our days while being destructive leads only to you know what. “Jesus said give Ceasar what is for Ceasar but give God what is for God”. It is common sense to report to our authorities if we see evil happening and do the right (good) thing that Jesus or God (Iam…) is expecting from us even if our own organized religion wants to cover it up.

I wish you all blessings and filled hearts with love for all earthly existence and wisdom. Tolerance in goodness is a beautifull thing and we all are blinded by our religion.



Posted on September 4, 2007 at 2:01 am


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 290037)

This was a most intersting post if u have the patience to read til the end. Anyway, nice point of seeing things there Astrekapolis. I agreed with almost all, cept the thing of not calling God a God cuz there’s only one true God, and its the creator of the begining and the end…so those other ‘’gods'’ can have a god in their name an all but still they are false :) .



Posted on December 21, 2007 at 6:54 am

 

Comment by allen (Comment ID: 316831)

it’s not about the competition of religions, but what is truthful and right in the doctrine and the interepetation. Christ said: my father and I are one. you JW don’t believe that. WRONG! you don’t also believe that Christ arose from the dead BODILY, and u don’t believe that Christ was Crucified with arms across. you guys got everything backwards. WatchTower Agency would just like to make money and their own beliefs. michael J. is converting to islam because of his troubles, plus because it is the closest religion to his beliefs. i read all the books from WT and i prove them wrong when they came to my house thinking they can convert me. i found many errors and interpretations that were nonsense. one book had this to say about Jesus: Jesus was not crucified because we have found other proofs from other religions that they also agree. tell me, why would WT or JW would like to believe in other religions when they themselves don’t believe in? and i will make thing about. for God sakes JW wake up and read the facts - the Romance, the Assyrians, the Syriac, the Armeanians, Irelands, the Spanish, etc. all have the historical facts and you still would like to deny that. also the early church fathers have wrote about this. i am Assyrian, and Assyrians are next to Rome’s church lineage begining from the Jesus’ apostles. if you really want to know the truth about the churches, read about catholics in middle east. the Assyrian catholic church of the east or chaldeans. because this is America and america will want you to keeping thinking until you head explodes with lies, so you can judge for you own. i’m not saying that religious freedom is wrong, i’m just saying that don’t just make or create a religion out of nothing or based upon you understand. u r erasing history of Christ and the true Catholic Church. Us Assyrians and romance can date back the church back to the begining of the apostles. who cares what about what some people do as catholic or other religions good or bad. read the facts for youself and go by truth of church ITSELF. meaning go by what it teaches from Christ, not from another leader who created WT or Mormans, or Protestants. Church leaders are only there to keep the church organized ,in control, and to keep the history alive so we can trace it.

i also have a question:

why do johovah’s witnesses keep converting people when they only believe that only more than 200,000 people will get to go to heaven or be with got?

i already know…ha, but that was complament or comment.

thank you and keep studying….ok..



Posted on May 24, 2008 at 11:01 am

 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 186546)

I had to REPOST!! Thanks CHRIS

Pediphile conspiracy? Here is the definition: 1: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
2: a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
Where is the unlawfulness of the JW org here on pediphiles? Just because they didn’t pass out names and addresses of alleged pediphiles in there org don’t mean there conspiring anything. Did Jesus say only some sinners can be forgivin or did he pick and choose the sins? All religions have a few bad apples even Jesus had Judas. There are thousands of convicted child molestors out there many that are not Jehovah Witnesses but are Priests and members of other churches so to try and condemn an intire religion based on the independent bad acts of a few is rediculas. If The JW religion was teaching that child molestation is ok then you can hold the religion at fault but the fact is nothing in there teachings support this type of behaviour and furthurmore if your child is molested and you don’t call the law your breaking the law so next time call the cops and not a elder if theres a crime.



Posted on March 7, 2007 at 5:14 pm

 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 186540)

Think about it this way….

How could you go wrong if you follow the path that leads to God (Jehovah)? If you do believe in hell… Is it possible that you will be punished for living a good life to the best of your ability? If you lead sick sad and disgusting lives then that is what your future will produce. We all go through trails that are sometimes un-bearable, but if you have a chance to have a new life filled with happiness why not WORK towards it??? Isn’t that how you MATERIALISTIC humans work for what you desire? But you can’t work to live a descent life in the eyes of GOD??? Come on!!! His expectations for us aren’t much that we would expect from our kids. Have morals, be clean, and love?? Too much huh? Then maybe you should look at yourself twice if you feel that these expectations are too much to meet. *I will pray for your children* Now how many can say you know what love is??? Love has trials and it gets hard. Really hard but it is unconditional! So when your receiving all these blessings there is a possible chance that GOD is real?? Then when it get’s hard you curse his name???

Everyone is simply creating there own personal LAME excuses for why they choose not to follow the path to GOD. Mostly for disgusting selfish reasons like: Just being able to do whatever, whenever, however, you please. Just like spoiled brats. You hate the thought of having discipline in your lives which is really sad. JW’s are about discipline and showing a genuine love for god rather than just saying it, you are required to show it. Just like you would have appreciated your mate showing you that he/she love’s you rather than saying it and screwing the neighbor! I’m not a witness, nor do I live a perfect life, but how could you judge these people for trying to live as clean as possible? Everyone has to find there way. You can either chose to LIVE with good clean morals, or DIE filled with excuses!



Posted on March 7, 2007 at 5:08 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 224470)

I fully agree with you!! Couldn’t have said it better myself!!



Posted on June 13, 2007 at 6:51 pm

 
 

Comment by Mary Eason (Comment ID: 164063)

Jehovah Witness are traitors. They do not believe in supporting our troops who are fighting for their own freedom. Why should they have any rights they dion’t stand for freedom.



Posted on February 6, 2007 at 2:40 pm


Comment by Sami (Comment ID: 164459)

““Fighting for their own freedom”???

The troops in Iraq??? Have you been on planet earth recently?

The troops is Iraq carry out the wishes of the US president, an alcoholic with extremely low intelligence, but with a hugely over inflated Ego.

His motivation is to gratify his thirst for revenge for the humiliation of 9/11 (at anyone, innocent or not), and to satisfy his never-ending hunger for more power and resources, like cheap oil. He had no scruples to use bare-faced lies to congress and to the UN in order to get his campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan going. Where exactly are those weapons of mass destruction?

The US soldiers’ fight is an unjust one, and apart from fighting at least some of them have taken up torture as a hobby. So far for the honourable US army.

As the Americans have twice chosen to be led by a power-crazed idiot, they are collectively responsible for the slaughter in Iraq and Afghanistan, and history will place the current US government in parallel with the Nazi-regime, no doubt. Well at least one claim to fame…

Hopefully there are some Americans with enough understanding and courage to see what their country has become, and one day they may even decide to rejoin the human race.

In many places round the world, Americans are no longer welcome because of their president, mine (Malaysia) included. We are only a small country, and our government has little choice but to try to keep up appearances with the US, but I would not advise any US citizen to try and buy a house in Kuala Lumpur…

Your government systematically subjects any person with a brown or black face to deliberate and systematic humiliation when the arrive at any US airport, and it still have the nerve to call itself civilised. Personally, I would rather die than serve such an organisation.

By the way, before you start, I am not a JW.

Sami



Posted on February 6, 2007 at 11:44 pm


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 164726)

Thanks for the liberal left-slanted idiotic comment.
Really where are these people heads?



Posted on February 7, 2007 at 4:15 am


Comment by Sami (Comment ID: 165025)

A typical American response. If you don’t get what you want, try violence. If you don’t know what to say, try abuse.

Very civilised.

I remember one particular ridiculous, almost comical example of US arrogance:

The US soldiers in Vietnam tried to teach the local people the virtues of cleanliness, by making them bath in a tub, one after the other, all in the same dirty water.

If they had bothered to find out, they would have noticed that hygiene standards in the Far East are considerably higher than in the US. We use only clean water to wash, and prefer showers or water boxes. The western practice of toilet paper has always been the subject of jokes here. We have toilets with a small shower next to it, so that we can wash afterwards, and toilet paper is used only for drying, not (yuk) for just wiping.

The Vietnamese people, getting lectures on hygiene from by their standards filthy soldiers, still managed enough manners to quietly listen. This is the difference between those who are civilised and those who are not.



Posted on February 7, 2007 at 10:13 am


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 166089)

Yeah I guess that would work if I lived in Canada….I don’t but hey thanks for the assumption.
Speaking of assuming, perhaps it’s just easier to get on the bandwagon along with the others easily conned into whatever the media states or perhaps topics like global warming?



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 4:28 am


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 224489)

WHAT are you on? 1st Nam isnt in Canada, 2nd is that the best that you could come up with?



Posted on June 13, 2007 at 7:16 pm


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 224575)

I didn’t say Vietnam was in Canada, not at all. Say whatever you want, I just can’t be bothered with the simpletons who jump on the bandwagon.



Posted on June 14, 2007 at 3:39 am

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Hello! (Comment ID: 165334)

Sami!
If a person is an American and that person gives you a response, it would be rational thinking that the response would be an American response. Right? Now lets use a little logic if you can find it in your scope of thinking without bias. I live in America so I can reasonably speak for at least a segment of the population. First, I ask you to research the loss of life by the common citizen of Afghanistan and Iraq before the invasion of the Allied troops. Remember, it was not only American troops that entered the countries. Please email to this website the numbers so that the world can see. We are trying to be honest in our assessment with FACTS alone. For a person of such low intelligence, this president was at least smart enough to “dupe” an awful lot of countries into believing the weapons of mass destruction. So I would deduct that he has a little more up top than you give him credit for. Who is funding this war? Do you honestly believe we did this just for oil? In the end we will be paying a pretty big bill for a tank of gasoline. If you could, would you be comfortable being a woman in Afghanistan under the Talaban? Where on earth did you get the Vietnam story? You seem to KNOW a lot about our history and war? Please let me know where you are getting all this so I can educate myself also.

I did some research about your country. It is a fact that I knew little about it. It seems to be a nice place to live if you are Muslim. Seems the Christians do live there but the restrictions are far greater than any freedom to worship here. At least we can build churches and mosques with equal freedoms. If you come to this country and get through our security screeners, you will be welcomed. You would be allowed to buy a house and you would be as safe as any American. You would be protected by the same laws and given the same liberties as any American. If you chose not to be Muslim anymore, you would be allowed to be any religion you wanted without any fear. I could go on and on but I doubt that you will take anything I say to heart. As long as you spew the line you believe as truth, we can forget ever being friends. Do yourself a favor and take an honest look at all the things you said, then do some checking. You may be surprised at what you find. Just remember, it may do you some good the look up the word “intelligence” in the dictionary and apply it to yourself. You may want to check the word “honest” also. Let me hear from you!



Posted on February 7, 2007 at 4:38 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 165592)

About casualty figures: Your own news channel CNN reports them as in excess of 655000 in Iraq, and about 540000 in Afghanistan. Other news channels, like Algezira, report them as much higher. .

You would probably argue that the US is not responsible for this. Well, then you need to show me that this would have happened anyway, without any US intervention. It is obvious that it would NOT have happened without it, so US intervention is the cause, so the US is ultimately responsible. As you say, the US is paying, so presumably they have every right to cause the deaths of as many people as they want. If you buy a car, and you pay for it, it is your car and you are responsible for it. You pay the parking fines even if you lent it someone else. So, if your goverment “buys” a war, they bought the responsibility for the consequences also.

Then you seem take the US president’s undoubted skill in deception and bully-tactics as a sign of intelligence. Have you ever met a school bully? They often get what they want, but usually they are not very clever.

The US did not invade Afghanistan to liberate women. The main point was for domestic consumption: after the attack in New York the government needed to be seen as doing something, anything, the more dramatic the better. Afghanistan was a realatively soft target, and it had a tenuous connection with Osama Bin Laden, so it was picked on. The taliban was never in favour of anything that Osama Bin Laden stood for, but it had little choice but to honour the pledge to protect its “guests”, and Osama Bin Laden cleverly obtained this status from them so as to be protected by the commands of the Q’ran. I think even if the taliban had tried to fully cooperate with the US givernment, the outcome would have been the same. The US government needed a scapegoat, and Afghanistan did just fine. As simple as that. If you are a small country with few resources, you better do all the US asks, or else. That is US foreign policy. There are many governments where US standards, as they see them, are not met, China being one. Why have you not invaded there? Simple, because you would loose, and badly. There are many places on earth were there is some injustice; why not invade there also?

The story of Iraq is, sadly, much the same. Neither a clear government-terrorist connection nor the weapons of mass-distruction were ever proved. True, the Iraqi regime, as it was then, was loathsome. But why pick this place to invade, in preference to any other similar one? Because it was a relatively simple target, and it was good propaganda back in the US, and, as an added bonus, some of the cost could be retrieved from oil revenue.

In my country, we have religious freedom, and relatively few problems. In fact, many people change religion every day in both directions, mainly when they get married.

I am Christian, and therefore a minority here, but I never had any problems because of it. You may also have discovered the reason why there are relatively few Christians here: Christianity was introduced by our past colonial masters by bully tactics, bribes and discrimination. By contrast, Islam has been here much longer and was brought peacefully by Arab traders. So, after indepencence, a lot of people here and in neighbouring Indonesia abandoned Christianity as the religion of the oppressor and returned to Islam. My family did not, so I am a Christian. The only difference with being a Christian in the US is that sometimes I have to work on days like Christmas day. Then again, Muslims in the US have to do the same on days like Idul Fitri…

As far as traveling to the US is concerned, I would never dream of traveling anywhere where I was not welcome. I hear that anyone from a Muslim country automatically gets treated worse than a drug smuggler on arrival in the US, so, sorry, I will give that a miss. I am an honest man, not a criminal, and I have some dignity, and no US cutoms officer will ever stick a rubber-gloved finger into any part of my body, looking for alleged bombs. There are friendlier places. I have been to Mexico, and I liked that. Australia was OK, too, even England and France was friendly and fun. I also liked India, Kenya and Tanzania, all great places to visit.

I wonder what your government would say if our little place decided to introduce the same measures you have in place for visiting Americans?

About the “liberties” in the US, I am perfectly free to do whatever I want here, but unlike in the US I don’t need to worry about some gun-crazed lunatic when walking down the street. You would find that Kuala Lumpur is a lot safer than, for example, New York or Miami. Even an American living here would not be in any real danger, but he would find it very difficult to make any friends, and, sadly, few people would want one as neighbour, as it would lower their property value.

I will give you this, though: I know that not all Americans support their present government and its excesses. No, I could not be friends with someone who supports the Iraq desaster, but I would spend the time to find out before deciding. I also accept that many Americans have been “duped” by their own government in the same way as some other governments have been. Hopefully at last many of you are seeing sense and are ready to get rid of this government.

Terima Kasih untuk tulis (Thank you for writing…)
Sami



Posted on February 7, 2007 at 9:27 pm


Comment by Sami (Comment ID: 165887)

to the “hello” guy, sorry, didn’t fill in my name in the right box when I wrote my reply to you (above).



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 1:27 am

 

Comment by The Hello Guy! (Comment ID: 166759)

Sammi!
To use a baseball term we use in the US “you are so far out in left field, you are out of the game completely”. You are spewing stuff that you know absolutely nothing about. Anyone and I mean ANYONE with a valid passport and not on a terrorist watch list (people who are known to be involved in terrorism) can come and go in this country at will. I don’t know where you are getting your information, but you should continue to research.

You call yourself “Christian” and I nearly fell off my perch! I say it again, you call yourself “Christian”. After reading all the propaganda you unleashed, I would consider otherwise. You know I would never judge, but I as a fruit inspector I would say something smells.

So all the mass graves and the death of the Kurds and the random beheading just for the hell of it don’t count. Are you a master at reading tea leaves? Please check your dictionary and read what the word Intelligence means. You are assuming and supposing and drawing conclusions.

A few posts ago you were ranting about hygiene and being critical about the method of wiping ones back side. And you want people to take you serious NOW? You have your opinion and that is fine with me. You find everything wrong with America. Hey, we can’t even clean our butt to suite you, how can one expect that we can do anything else that pleases you.



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 4:56 pm


Comment by Sami (Comment ID: 166836)

Hello again
Have you arrived from a flight abroad back to the US recently? Have a look what goes on. Our government has formally complained about this, but I assume that did not even make your news.

I did not say I COULDN’T go to the US, I said I was not welcome, so I would not go. Asian and middle Eastern people get “special treatment” in immigration, visa or not. A friend of mine from Singapore went to Miami, via London recently. In London, show your passport, no problem, he was in. In Miami he sat in queue for over four hours, was not allowed to go to the loo and then had to face a lengthy interview. All he wanted to do was to have a holiday. Well, he stayed one night and then changed his flight to go home. By the way, there was not one white face in the queue. And that is just visitors, God know what happens if you have an Asian face and dare to suggest you want to stay there.

Where did I mention any Kurds? I agree with you in the utter condemnation of that. That does not mean it is ok to cause the death of over a million civilians and displace many more, though. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Do you really think the US invaded Iraq to help the Kurds? Odd, why did they wait for almost 20 years? Try to look past all the stuff they feed you and look at it from other points of view as well. Perhaps you find not all I tell you can so easily dismissed.

Perhaps it would be a bit of an eye-opener for Americans to listen to some other news around the world? Did you know, for example, that a British minister said in their parliament that the biggest threat to world peace at the moment is the US president? That’s one or your allies, by the way. It seems even they are running out of patience.

Does being a Christian mean in America mean you must be a supporter of George Bush? Here is certainly does not. Do you think any good Christian in Roman times should have supported Nero? I think you may have heard about what happens to those who “live by the sword”. Tell me if I am wrong, but the bible does not appear to list the US government as an exception to this rule…

Sami.



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 6:26 pm


Comment by Hello (Comment ID: 166860)

Sami,
If little green men from Mars had hijacked airplanes and crashed them into the World Trade Center, wouldn’t it be stupid of customs to allow little green men from Mars to enter the US without giving them a little more scrutny than the average Joe?

I really have better things to do than try to rebut you.

Have a good life and we will try to make our small contribution to lowering the number terrorist so that you will have your freedom.



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 6:45 pm


Comment by Sami (Comment ID: 166886)

Oh dear, so the US president is doing all this FOR ME?

Really?

Tell him from me, please, I am very flattered, but I really would very much prefer to be kept out of it. His kind of help I can do very well without. I most certainly would not be even the smallest part of any of his various justifications.

Has he ever thought of what it does for people like me if he keeps on justifying his actions in the name of Christianity? Does he really think it makes our little church more safe or more popular here??

Sami



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 7:19 pm


Comment by Andre (Comment ID: 167103)

Sami,

I agree with that which you say. We have smal church in Sulawesi Island.

When Bush attack Iraq, start problem-problem here.

People which Muslim throw stone-stone at window and people many hurt. Some Chritian now no work.

Before we have problem never.

Sorry Inglish not so good.

Apakah dengan kamu sekalian? Semuah sehat?



Posted on February 8, 2007 at 10:36 pm


Comment by Hello (Comment ID: 167164)

Andre,
Don’t you get it!!!! It is called intolerance. You had nothing to do with the Iraqi war. Why were you a target? Who did it? Someone draws a cartoon and the whole world goes crazy. Someone publishes an article critical of a group of people and the world goes crazy.
Christians are attacked and we suck it up. You blame Bush because your church is attacked. You don’t hold the attacker to blame? Please tell me why.

You are crossing the street, a car runs you down and kills you. You blame a car designer or the person that ran you down. Is Bush to blame for all of the carnage that radical Islamics visits on the world. I guess he is also to blame for 9-11.

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Posted on February 8, 2007 at 11:07 pm


Comment by Andre (Comment ID: 167280)

yes
attacker have blame much.

First Bush attack Iraq then orang-orang Muslim attack church here.

Bush attack first, so first has blame. Orang-orang Muslim attack later, also have blame, but second blame.

If Bush no attak Iraq, orang-orang Muslim no attack church. But Bush no pay for window, so sorry. Grandmother in hospital, very expensive, but Bush no pay again, so sorry. Muslim pay little-litle for window, thank you so much.

Bush make much problem-problem for Chritian in Muslim country.



Posted on February 9, 2007 at 12:29 am

 

Comment by Hello (Comment ID: 167949)

Andre,
If we would all be honest and deal with facts then we all would be much better off. Is it true that your conflict errupted much earlier like in about 1998? Didn’t you have two Catholic Priests executied in September of 2006? Who caused the death of over a thousand of your citizens during all this conflict? It doesn’t take much for the religious pot to boil over and peace will never come if freedom does not exist.



Posted on February 9, 2007 at 4:34 pm

 

Comment by Andre (Comment ID: 168033)

Dengan Hormat,

Halo,

So sory please, you make mistake. Problem-Problem here with Muslim first when America attak Muslim Afgan and Iraq. Now orang-orang Muslim say we friend for Bush, they no like.

1998 problem here about land, not about religious.

True katolik also problem, but we no katolik.

Beforre orang-orang Muslim and Christien have peece.

now many problem…

We have demokratik, like you.
So sorry, for say you not right
Andre



Posted on February 9, 2007 at 7:13 pm

 
 
 
 

Comment by little budha (Comment ID: 168105)

Hi you with no name,
Your comment showing how you try to justify what that bush have done to other country.He pretend to be the police of the world. And the way you said it showing how arrogant you are, and you think you better than other people, you are sick!!. No wonder people all over the world hate american. This is all because of people like you. Maybe that is why terrorist try to eliminate people like you. Unfortunately good people become the victims instead of you!!!!!



Posted on February 9, 2007 at 8:35 pm

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 224490)

I’m sorry but Sammi Is extreemly intelegent also realise that the middle eastern nations are tought much better and differently then us in Canada (Me) Or USA (YOU) . They are doing things that are complicated to us in highschool like Calculous in grade school. Think about it how many mid eastern people have out witted our nations?!?!



Posted on June 13, 2007 at 7:35 pm

 
 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 224474)

Screw the damb troops!!! all we do is give them a gun, and a liscence to kill!! They go around acting like terrorists comming into ppl’s house and killing raping and beating them at will!! How would you like it if a “Soldger” cane into your home and Raped your lil girl and wife and you?? Would you still call them a Hero??

Jessica.Struthers@gmail.com



Posted on June 13, 2007 at 6:58 pm


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 224576)

Jessica, please stop the ignorant & immature comments. Maybe you are very young or naive, however move to a country without freedom and see if they let you post such idiotic lunacy.
You are definitely another typical JW aren’t you? All talk and no action.
Isn’t it nice to take your freedom for granted? Too bad your God the Watchtower Society doesn’t bestow the same freedoms on you. By the way, what are you doing on this website, oops, sorry I forgot, you must be counting field service time. We all know Christ would have stated much the same as you….NOT!!!



Posted on June 14, 2007 at 3:45 am

 
 

Comment by live life (Comment ID: 321396)

jehovah will won day fight for his people like he did for the Israelites



Posted on June 15, 2008 at 7:26 pm

 
 

Comment by Chris (Comment ID: 96028)

Pediphile conspiracy? Here is the definition: 1: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
2: a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
Where is the unlawfulness of the JW org here on pediphiles? Just because they didn’t pass out names and addresses of alleged pediphiles in there org don’t mean there conspiring anything. Did Jesus say only some sinners can be forgivin or did he pick and choose the sins? All religions have a few bad apples even Jesus had Judas. There are thousands of convicted child molestors out there many that are not Jehovah Witnesses but are Priests and members of other churches so to try and condemn an intire religion based on the independent bad acts of a few is rediculas. If The JW religion was teaching that child molestation is ok then you can hold the religion at fault but the fact is nothing in there teachings support this type of behaviour and furthurmore if your child is molested and you don’t call the law your breaking the law so next time call the cops and not a elder if theres a crime.



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 4:20 am


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 96622)

The JW faith is not teaching that pedophilia is okay nitwit. What they are doing is protecting them by not fully cooperating with the local laws (much of the time) & do not wish to engage any police matters that will potentially reflect badly on their image. With the Watchtower it’s all about image and their protection of it, even if it means the damage of their children at the hands of these bastards hiding among your faith.
www.silentlambs.com
Yes if you wish to irresponsibly shout your mouth off on a subject you are totally clueless regarding, then that’s okay as long as you understand that many of us couldn’t care less about the image of that false prophet the Watchtower.



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 4:41 pm

 

Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 96673)

Chris,

This is just the type of ignorance I cannot help but expose.
The definition of paedophile (UK), or pedophile (US) is:
A person, especially a man, who is sexually interested in children.
What you are defining is a conspiracy, you cannot even spell pedophile, how do you expect to define it?
As hard as it may be for you to accept, it HAS occurred that senior members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are accused of the above said atrocity, but rather than go ahead with the investigations, they step back and threaten the accusers of being disfellowshipped as otherwise their precious organization may be put under scrutiny; in my opinion a loathsome reaction.
As this would come as a shock to you, and obviously you would rather choose to ignore it, or say it is false, do a google search on ‘Jehovah’s Witness pedophile or paedophile’. Just because your beloved Watchtower never mentions these issues, it does not mean that they never occurred, because they have, time and time over, as you will find out.

Markus



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 5:42 pm

 

Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 96739)

Chris,

Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZpScLCMqEk

I am afraid to say that if any of these occurrances happened to any of my children, there would not be a stone for the perpetrators to hide under. They would be running for the rest of their righteous lives.

Markus.



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 6:48 pm

 
 

Comment by AH (Comment ID: 87887)

I think people should find out what is in fact the watchtower, because aparantly u guys have no clue. And it doesn´t really matter what bible u read they all say the same thing. i encourage u guys to do so compare bibles there all the same.



Posted on November 29, 2006 at 8:56 pm


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 87890)

Yes I agree, please be sure to use the facts at your disposal to study what is the Watchtower.
That’s exactly what I did and found the following and more:

1. FALSE PROPHECY – Widespread false prophecy on a level that rivals most other religions.
2. HYPOCRISY – Blatant & irresponsible behavior befitting all corrupt & false religions. Make sure you study the facts on their association with the United Nations as one example.
3. PEDOPHILE PARADISE – The Watchtower Society with their uneducated & inept stupidity is unfortunately protecting pedophiles within their faith, which really translates into protection of their image being more important than the welfare of the children.

Yes I highly encourage people to know the Watchtower. As far as using any Bible, that comment is sheer nonsense. The New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society (yes the one discussed above) is a biased and irresponsible edition, which no one could possibly promote.



Posted on November 29, 2006 at 9:12 pm


Comment by Bucky (Comment ID: 88923)

As ye say sire, but what is left of goodness on the earth? Do they take up swords against their fellowman?
Do they not give their complete alligence to Jehovah instead of to Caesar? Jesus said “By their fruits you shall know these men” Ye say of lot of hurtful words which is out of the hurtful heart - why?
If 1 or 6 or 600 or 6000 or 6 million people were touched in their heart to share scripture with others, not change them but to let words go heavenly praising their God, what harm have they done to anyone, let alone you? Good words continue forever and good works continue forever, some words stop at the first ears, the speakers! Alas, I am afraid most of your words are not only unhearable but not being seen at all.



Posted on December 1, 2006 at 7:56 pm

 

Comment by Carl (Comment ID: 95984)

Pediphiles You say. I have never read any news artical showing the Jehovah witnesses or Watchtower Society try to physically stopy the police from arresting a alleged JW for child abuse. The Kingdom hall is not a Police Station nor is the Watchtower and Tract Society. If a child is molested you call the police not a elder not a church not a kingdom hall. This is a Religious group not a law inforcement facility and besides. What about all the other crimes like murder and drug trafficing? I don’t see the churches sending out fliers for the crimes of there members do you?



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 4:06 am


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 96616)

www.silentlambs.com
We do not need to say anymore.



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 4:35 pm

 
 
 

Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 88060)

AH,

I just want to stop you there and say that not all the bibles are the same. You cannot for one second even think that the Bible which the Watchtower created to suite its teachings is the same as the Bible used in the Orthodox Church.

We dont change verses to suite our teachings…

The bibles are not the same…



Posted on November 30, 2006 at 7:33 am


Comment by fri (Comment ID: 88107)

To little dick known as antioch, To describe a matter one bible will mention the word excrement, the other will say poop, another will say diarrhea, and the NW translation will say feces, dregs. In essence they are all describing pure SHIT, nothing less nothing more.
So yes, one could say all bibles are the same.

I know that you very much like to learn by the use of ilustrations, so take this one and apply it on your next kingdom hell talk. Ha..ha….ha….



Posted on November 30, 2006 at 1:23 pm


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 90355)

fri,

I am not a JW my friend.
Im Anitochian Orthodox.

You speak like you dont belive in the word of God. Or maybe your just trying to make a point.



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 3:03 am


Comment by fri (Comment ID: 90359)

What if I dont believe in the word of God (bible). Will you sue me???



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 3:13 am


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 91140)

Each to his own my friend.

Im not going to try and show you God exists…but please dont confuse me for a JW.



Posted on December 4, 2006 at 3:17 am

 
 
 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 89339)

niether does the watchtower



Posted on December 2, 2006 at 4:03 am


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 90362)

Anonymous…for a non-JW you seem to love defending them. Do you honestly know anything about them??

When i say that not all Bible Translations are the same and the Watchtower created their own translation to suite their teachings, i dont mean the small words like thou, or ye or wat ever else…i mean the meaning of the Bible.

The watchtower translation denies that CHRIST IS GOD. You read all the verses from the Origianl Greek translation and you see that all the verses confirm that CHRIST IS OUR TRUE GOD have been changed in the watchtower translation. WHY?? Because they always taught that Christ was only a creature, but the translation they used at the time the Watchtower began said other wise.

So what did they do?? Verses like John 1:1 - “In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
What does the watchtower transaltion say? “…and the Word was ‘a’ God”

This is only one example. There are many…if you want to know them ill give them to you…just ask.

So you see this has a different meaning…you cannot deny that.
So yes, the watchtower did create their own translation to suite their teachings.



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 3:25 am


Comment by Rel (Comment ID: 90364)

Who gives a rat’s behind if Jesus is God?

We only know one thing for sure about Jesus.
No doubt he was a Jew! 30 years old, still single and living at home with his mother. No question in my mind whatsoever he was a Jew?



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 3:34 am

 

Comment by Chubby (Comment ID: 90729)

To Antochian,

Wrong. Wrong, Wrong. The only bible used by the originators of the Bible and Tract Society of Pensylvania,…JW’s.. was the King James Version.



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 2:15 pm


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 91141)

What are they using now my friend?



Posted on December 4, 2006 at 3:18 am

 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 93325)

there are probabally 50 diff translations that say, and the word was a god



Posted on December 6, 2006 at 9:13 am


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 93388)

No my friend.
Only the translation that was made by the Watchtower.

If you get someone to read that to you from the Greek texts, which it was written in, it says…”and the Word was God.”

The watchtower is really screwing with your head. Do you just take in everything they shove into your mouth or do you ensure its a correct teaching?



Posted on December 6, 2006 at 1:34 pm


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 104068)

yes my apostate friend ant, there are many diff translations written by others than the watchtower, that say the logos was divine or a god, or was in gods likeness. you just choose to believe what you want because your stuborn, you dont care about truth, only yourself!



Posted on December 16, 2006 at 10:06 am


Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 104317)

Yes my blind-follower, we do care about truth. If you did as well, you would ensure that all the teachings & doctrines of your God the Watchtower are truthful & correct before preaching to others subjects you clearly know nothing about.



Posted on December 16, 2006 at 3:38 pm

 

Comment by nick (Comment ID: 174973)

the U.N. will stop all religion its just a matter of time



Posted on February 17, 2007 at 12:51 am

 
 
 
 

Comment by Darl (Comment ID: 96044)

The Bible says Jesus is Gods Son lets take a quick look at the definition of the word son. Son: “1. a male child or person in relation to his parents. If Jesus is God himeself then why did Jesus pray? Why would almighty God need to pray to himself? Even when Jesus desiples were asleep Jesus prayed he also prayed for power when confronted with the demonised man at the graveyard. Jesus also prayed to God when he was baptised.. and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased” Luke 3:22 So when Jesus was being Baptised it clearly says ” THIS IS MY SON” it don’t say this is myself. Notice it also says ” A VOICE CAME OUT OF HEAVEN” Jesus was in the river jordan when he was baptised by John he wasn’t in heaven at the time. So even a five year old kid knows the difference between what a father and son is who are you trying to fool?



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 4:34 am


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 96082)

I could sit her and explain to you how God the Son, Jesus Christ is both the Son of God, and the Almighty God himself. But without faith my friend, you will never believe…

Both the Old Testament and New Testament show that Christ was God. But you read and do not believe…

Many prophesies of the Old Testament clearly show that GOD THE ALMIGHTY was going to His people.

Read Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”

This is a prophecy about Christ’s birth…

I will say to you what Christ said to many…

“Those who have ears, let him hear”
Open your ears my friend…Christ is God. God is Trinity. Christ was both Man and God. 100% God. 100% man. He prayed to the Father because he was a Man. He performed miracles because He was God.

You want more proofs? Let me know…



Posted on December 9, 2006 at 5:22 am


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 104084)

ONLY JEHOVAH IS CALLED THE ALMIGHTY GOD, JESUS WAS ONLY CALLED MIGHTY GOD



Posted on December 16, 2006 at 10:10 am


Comment by Antiochian (Comment ID: 104912)

So let me get this Straight…

The Watchtower preaches that there are TWO GODS?

Please clarify.



Posted on December 17, 2006 at 6:24 am


Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 129457)

satan is called the god of this world!!



Posted on January 9, 2007 at 7:20 am


Comment by nick (Comment ID: 174977)

yes why do you think every thing in the world is so screwed up .God wouldnt let this happen its satan.

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Posted on February 17, 2007 at 12:55 am

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 183805)

You Are not really well educated in biblical themes at all. If you were, you would have read the Emphatic Diaglot which is a word for word translation of the scriptures. 1 John: (Emphatic Diaglot) says, “In the beginning was God, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God”. If only you were to really educate on biblical quotes and themes you would be in a position to argue the point lucidly, however since you don’t, you revert to petty fogging. If you really want a religion to attack, try the Roman Catholic Church. The crimes against humanity that they have committed over the centuries is hair raising. If you want to read about the R.C.C. try Tony Bushby’s “The Bible Fraud” obtainable from Joshuabooks.com Your education on biblical matters would then take off. In the meantime forget about JW’s. They have as much right to worship in their particular way as anyone else, if in fact, we really have freedom of religion, which obviously we don’t.



Posted on March 3, 2007 at 12:46 am


Comment by Mark (Comment ID: 183823)

Except it is a word for word WRONG translation… sorry.

I teach New Testament Greek at university.

It really says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Small difference, but very important!

Here is the original, see for yourself:

εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος.

“a God” is “ενας θεος” in Greek, and it does not say that in the text.

If you can’t read Greek and you don’t want to take my word for it, please have a look at other translations. I gladly talk you through the grammar, if you want.

By the way, I hope you see this little hint as an attempt to shine some light, not to fog anything.



Posted on March 3, 2007 at 1:21 am


Comment by Jones (Comment ID: 184140)

Mark,
I was hoping that someone who studies a WTS bible would have questioned you or at least started a debate on the translation of John 1:1. Much to my chagrin, that was the first scripture that came up when I tried to show proof of Jesus’ position before He came to earth. No matter how I tried, I could not shake their position.

Civil discourse is sometimes lost here but then some really good debate surfaces. All I ask is that you hang in there and contribute so that we all may learn from you.



Posted on March 3, 2007 at 10:38 pm

 
 

Comment by 777 (Comment ID: 201766)

ant get a life, and get off this site, and go shoot yourself!!!



Posted on April 10, 2007 at 8:17 am

 
 
 
 

Comment by Chubby (Comment ID: 90727)

The bibles are the same but nowadays the use of idiomatic language is the norm. It’s so that the uneducated amongst us (ahem) are able to better understand the meanings.



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 2:11 pm


Comment by Ber (Comment ID: 90780)

Chubby or Bucky is that why the Jw’s translated their own bible? So that the uneducated (jehovahs witnesses) can understand the bible? I think you made a great point.



Posted on December 3, 2006 at 2:58 pm

 
 
 
 

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