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Comment by Sydney (Comment ID: 341617)
I have read through the line of messages here… I don’t think any real witness would say any of the things I have seen here. The language is atrocious and bring glory to no-one, not the one writing and not to God. It’s deplorable. The witnesses are humble people and don’t mistake meekness and mildness for weakness. Whenever strife strikes they have stood up to the worst treatment and tyrants the world has had to offer. You may not agree with them and many don’t, but I still know that many admire them. Don’t undersell them, many have to their own detriment. At least no witness will break into your home and threaten your life, not in uniform or soiled jeans of a thief. The carry no weapons of than weapons of the spirit, they will never be a threat to your person, so why do you hate them so much. As it was written “they were hated without cause.”
You only have to fear the message they carry: There IS a God and there is a reckoning and there is a LIMIT to God’s patience. We have rebelled against his will, his right to rule and set laws and standards over us, we have set up our own governments and our own religions. Why so many religions? As one commentator said, because THEY are dictating terms of salvation to God. So true. So stop bickering and if YOU feel you represent God or represent his view, then behave in a way that is brings honour to HIM.
Why is the world so full of strife, pain and suffering? Is there a God who cares? Yes! Why hasn’t he done something about it? But he HAS! Plenty! But when he sends people to your front door, do you spurn them? Why not ask questions? And the harder the better!!! And they will love to answer those questions, the tougher the better IF you have a genuine desire to find out. No “brain-washing” techniques are used - simple persuasion based on logical reasoning - if you want brain-washing, maybe watch Fox News. Sorry, that was a little joke of mine… oh, I am not allowed to have a humour. Come to think of it, I am not even allowed to watch TV. I can’t think for myself, I am a complete moron and only follow the WatchTower hyperbole. I can’t question anything. And IF I talk to anybody or knock on somebody’s door I must be earning salvation. Hey, the people who say these things must be bigger experts on what I am than what I know what I am? Oh, what I think I know what I am? My head is swimming. I do know this, if I lived in Palestine in the first century and wanted to find out what these christians were believing in, and I went to the Pharisees or the Sadducees, I know one thing for sure, I would get a very twisted view of christians. It is no different today. You can certainly find out all kinds of twisted views of what the witnesses are supposed to believe in, especially on the Internet. If they had the Internet back there, can you imagine the number of websites attacking christians (and there was only ONE kind of christian back then). They believe in this guy who was impaled as a criminal. He was considered an enemy and danger to the empire. And they are crazy enough to believe he was raised three days later. Have you heard the latest gossip about them, they sacrifice babies, have you heard that? Yeah, they were different, but they were DECENT. I have one final question to ask. The witnesses are a minority religion, why is the filth level at them totally out of proportion? Is it to silence them? Keep this in mind, the jurisdictional history of the United States (and other countries too) show that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been at the forefront of free speech, even the Supreme Court has reversed its decisions on a number occasions. The freedom to level much of this nauseating fervour AGAINST the witnesses was in fact fought for by THEM. So you are enjoying free speech at their cost and they are NOT even trying to stop YOU. BUT YOU WILL BE KEPT ACCOUNTABLE BY SOMEBODY WHO SEES AND HEARS EVERYTHING!!!
One final thing: Have you had surgery lately or has one of your family or friend? Again it would not occur to hardly anybody that there would be a reason to give a little credit to the witnesses. The stand taken by witnesses has led to great strides in surgical techniques and the tools that have been developed, such as the cauterizing knife that was invented by a Californian Doctor who has operated on over ten thousand witnesses. Open heart surgery is much more safe due to Houston doctors finding that witnesses being operated had better post-op results and then became standard treatment to other cardiac patients and these techniques were then copied by other doctors and hospitals around the globe. By this time the witnesses contribution got largely lost and it became another triumph of modern medical science (which indeed it was). In so many ways the witnesses has contributed to society and not always received the accolades, which were often transferred to others.
So, I beg you please, do not be too quick to judge, so as the Lord said “less you be judged” too and “righteousness is prove righteous by it results.”
[If anybody can trace my origin/url - I ain’t got nothing to hide as my behaviour here has been honourable and respectful.]
Posted on August 9, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Comment by Fri (Comment ID: 341884)
Hello Sidney, are we from the same planet? Do you really believe that non of the witnesses ever stole, murdered and abused innocent people? Please check www.silentlambs.org and see how many elders, ministerial servants, witnesses have been charged for such crimes. You may choose to believe whatever makes you happy, however if you believe just because a person is a witness or becomes a witness automatically becomes a good person you are in very much denial! Please spare me of the crap that they will be hated without a cause. You are very much blind by the cult my dear Sidney.
I have no fear of the message they carry. A real Christian is supposed to preach the good news. They basically say that if one does not become a witness one will die at Armageddon. I don’t know about you but that to me is not good news, is it?
If some is bickering and bullshiting here that is you!
The world is full of strife, pain and suffering mostly because of religion, more have been killed in the name of religion than any other cause.
What can they answer me that I already don’t know?? Most of them are uneducated. Amongst all religions and cults out there they are the less educated. Don’t you know that the society has stress on many occasions for them only to finish what school is recommend by law, that the end is just around the corner, therefore no need for higher education!.
Yes, techniques of brain washing are used in a very smart way I might add. Just read the following and find out for yourself:
If you are a JW your mind is being controlled. Mind-control is most effective when people think they are exercising free will, but if the person is programmed to act as a self-regulator, then the control is really successful. Most Witnesses will argue that they exercise free choice, but if I offer you a choice from a selection, strictly limited by me, is that really a choice? Picture yourself in an airplane and at meal time the steward will come and ask you “Chicken or beef?” Is that really a choice? NO, it is an illusion of free choice and it is effective because you are led to believe that your can choose. Witnesses have their choices very limited in many areas, but still they think they have a choice when in fact choices are made for them. Armies control people. Basic training reprograms the soldier’s mind to do the will of the Army under special conditions, but in civilian life, the recruit is allowed freedom of expression and choice (JW do not outside the Kingdom Hall have free choice). Children are controlled by parents (or they used to be!), but this is temporary and the child breaks free in adolescence to stand alone, and parents are happy to see their children grow to maturity and become INDEPENDENT of their necessary control. Unfortunately witnesses will never have this freedom; choices are always made for them, but most of them never realize this.
Let us suppose that your mind is controlled. Would you know it? How could you? Surely the whole point of mind-control is that the person being controlled is unaware of it. Does a puppet know he is being controlled? NO! Still he moves happily. You are taught that Satan the Devil is the ruler of this world and everything, everyone on this planet, except Jehovah’s Witnesses, is under his control. The Witnesses attend meetings three times each week plus perhaps, 20 minutes before and after each gathering. During that time, the ideas and language of Jehovah’s Witnesses are continually reiterated. Witnesses rely upon the Writing Committee of the “faithful slave” to research for them. This is encouraged by the leadership. Regarding personal study, The Watchtower said, “do some spiritual digging in order to begin getting the very knowledge of Jehovah’s heavenly organization” (w15/6 98) where is this “digging” to be done? In the Bible? NO. But the Watchtower Index.
If you ever want to memorize something, sing it. It is a very effective way to learn and remember written material. One note or phrase can help you recall a whole song that you have not sung for years. (”Baa, baa, black sheep, have you…..”) All of the 225 songs used in Witness meetings are written by Jehovah’s Witnesses to avoid the influence of so called “false religion” in the hymns of the Christian church (this does not prevent Witness writers “borrowing” musical phrases and themes). Each week at Witness meetings, six songs in total are sung and Witnesses are “encouraged” to sing these as part of their worship and to listen to the “up-building” music of Kingdom Melodies at other times. When listening to these tapes, the words of the songs inevitably come to mind. Music is a very powerful influence as the Society itself is aware - it discourages listening to popular “worldly” music.
Does the leadership control other information? Yes, most effectively. It never actually forbids the reading of any material, but “advises”, “encourages”, “reasons with”, the faithful Witness to avoid material which, as they say “is harmful to you. If, in research on the internet, you find facts at odds with what you have been taught, will you explain these away by saying that they are lies created to mislead you?
How do you view people who are not Witnesses? Do you believe they are immoral and dishonest? Do you disbelieve the stories about Jehovah’s Witnesses who have committed fraud, child abuse, rape and other crimes? Do you think that they were never “proper” Jehovah’s Witnesses? Do you try to convince yourself that they were “never really in the truth”? The facts show that some active and approved Witnesses are dishonest, yet you still have contact with them. Suppose that you dare to criticize something connected with “Jehovah’s organization” - what will happen? Won’t other Witnesses quickly withdraw from you because “you are discouraging”? “Read God’s Word the Holy Bible Daily”. Witnesses are encouraged to study the Bible, but they are told that they cannot understand it unless it is explained to them. And by whom? By the “faithful and discreet slave” composed of about 5, 000 spirit-anointed” men and women world-wide, but represented by only a dozen men in Brooklyn. If they are the faithful and discrete slave how come the instructions only come from the 12 or 13????
At the end of every assembly, a speaker from the national headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses usually gives an inspiring talk relating how “Jehovah has blessed his people in xyz country”- usually involving b numerical increases and experiences in various lands. These talks, and others on assembly programmers, are often punctuated by enthusiastic “spontaneous applause” from a claque, cued by expressions such as “Isn’t that something we are all very happy about Brothers?” (Applause) Have you been told that the New World Translation is the best of all Bible translations? Do you believe that only Jehovah’s Witnesses, as a special group of people, were chosen by God, to “preach the good news before the end comes”? Although the Bible warns Christians not to judge others since we are all sinners, Jehovah’s Witnesses do this all the time. It is reasoned that, although we cannot judge the inner man, we can know his “heart condition” (spirituality) by his words and actions - “out of the heart’s abundance the mouth speaks”. That is enough for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Those who do not attend all meetings are “weak” or uncommitted unless they have exceptional reasons. Even in the case of severe disability, every effort is made to attend meetings and assemblies - in wheelchairs or on beds and stretchers if necessary.
If a man works shifts, he will be encouraged to find other employment and if he wishes to gain a position as elder, he really must attend the Kingdom Hall regularly. Tales are told of Witnesses traversing crocodile-infested rivers or terrain frequented by dangerous animals to attend meetings, while The Watchtower encourages swapping of unpopular shifts with fellow-employees so that Witnesses do not miss meetings. And a woman “paid a fellow-worker to cover her shift so that she could be free to attend these important meetings” (w1/9 98) Are Jehovah’s Witnesses “brainwashed”? Yes, definitely.
Witness converts soon learn that they should answer “question and answer” meeting parts “in their own words”. This means that they should not read answers verbatim from the paragraphs of The Watchtower or study book being used. Instead they should rephrase their answers. This does not mean that they will answer in their own words because they will still conform to the well-understood jargon phrases of Jehovah’s Witnesses e.g. “Babylon the Great” which is the “world empire of false religion” instead of “all religion in this world which does not worship Jehovah through his organization and, according to the Society, has pagan origins from ancient Babylon If you stay in the organization,.
The longer you vacillate, the more difficult it is to leave. If you do not act soon, you will slip back into inertia and, before long, you will be passively swallowing all the spiritual junk “food” again, as fast as the “faithful steward” can serve it. The Watchtower claims to be the bridge between God and mankind but unfortunately the only bridge they have is Brooklyn Bridge.
Posted on August 10, 2008 at 3:31 am
Comment by 607 (Comment ID: 301265)
In secular chronology, the destruction of Solomon’s temple was placed in 588 BCE. This is an error, the correct is 607 BCE. The strongest evidence that confirms the accuracy of 607 BCE is its connection to Israel’s restoration in 1948 CE. Concerning this, the law of God recorded in Exodus 21:1,2 says to Israel, “if thou buy an Hebrew servant, 6 years he shall serve: and in the 7th he shall go out free for nothing.” Since the law does not involve the land, it takes effect immediately after Israel’s departure in Egypt. Israel leave Egypt on Nisan of year 1513 BCE, thus if numbered beginning on that year, then its first year will fall between 1512 to 1511. Its first ‘week of years’ points to 1505 to 1504, while its 129th week corresponds to 609, and will end in 608. (7×129=903-1512=609) On that year (609-608) Nebuchadnezzar’s siege of Jerusalem was already advancing. Upon knowing that the said year fell to the year where God’s commandment saying “…at the end of 7 years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee…” was supposed to be observed, Zedekiah (the then reigning king in God’s people) hoping that God will save them from their enemy issued a decree calling all his people to release their servants in obedience to God’s will. (Jeremiah 34:8-10)
True to Zedekiah’s expectation, God’ caused the Babylonian to depart from Jerusalem by sending against them an army of the Egyptians who came to rescue Jerusalem. (Jeremiah 37:5) But afterwards, seeing the Babylonians already left, Zedekiah and his princes “caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free to return and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids,” to provoke God to anger. (Jeremiah 34:14-16) In so doing, God declared a punitive liberty to his people: “Therefore thus saith the LORD, Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Jeremiah 34:13-17,21,22)
The payment for Israel’s sin according to Leviticus 26:18 is ‘7 times.’ The phrase ‘times’ mean years, so 7 times is 7 years. 1 year is 365 days, so 7 years are 2555 days. But in reckoning the sin of his people God used ‘a day for a year’ basis. (Ezekiel 4:6) So 2,555 days mean 2,555 years. If these length of years were reckoned starting from the day when the ‘week of years’ they defiled has expired (609-608), then the first year of the accounting will fall to 607 BCE and will be completed in 1948 CE, (2,555-607=1948) the time when Israel was restored. Some Bible scholars preferred the lunar calendar, thus 7×360=2,520-607=1913. There is no argument here, Jeremiah 16:18 speaks of Israel’s sin to be recompense ‘double’ hence, the first recompensation ends in 1913, while the second one, on 1948. Thus, confirmed 607 BCE
Posted on January 31, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 245910)
[This book shows that the Gentile Times did not begin in 607 BCE-The Gentile Times Reconsidered by Carl Olof Johnson]
Yes it did not begin in 607 BCE because it begin in 617. This was prove true if you uncover the real meaning of the 4 beast in Daniel’s night vision. The 4 beast was said to represent Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. True, if taken in micro level, but in Macro reality the 4 beast had represented Lion=Egypt; Bear=Assyria; the 4 heads of the following Leopard=1) Babylon; 2)Medo-Persia; 3)Greece; 4)Rome; they were portrayed as gold, silver, brass and iron in the Great Statue of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. But how about the miry clay 10 toes?
The 10 toes was pictured as 10 horns in the 4th beast of Daniel’s night vision. In the bible, 10 is a number denoting fullness, entirety. (Ex.20:3-17; 34:28; Mat. 25:1; Luke 15:8; 19:13,16,17) So if this principle were applied, the 10 horns will indicate the totality of all emperors in Rome, and the 3 subdued by the 11th (Daniel 7:24) may point to 1)Rome prior to its division; and of the divided kingdom after it split (2.east; 3.west)
The 11th horn, if you believe on this represented the summary of what was known as the First, Second, and Third reich, with the papacy riding on its back as “the eyes and mouth of man”(Daniel 7:8) or the “seed of men” to which the ‘iron’ had mingled but did not cleave one to another. (Daniel 2:43; Rev. 17:16)
To sum up: the 4 beast in chapter 7 of the book of Daniel can be interpreted this way: the Lion and Bear represents Egypt and Assyria; the 4 heads of the following Leopard of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome; the 4th beast represents the Reich; his 10 horns represents all of its leaders; the 3 horns replaced by the 11th it itself represents the 3 Reich.
The last of the Reich fade in 1945, but it was in 1939 when the ’stone carved out of the mountain’ had smashed it to pieces.(Daniel 2:44) to confirm: Nebuchadnezzar recieved the dream of that Great Statute 2 years after his ‘trampling’ (Luke 21:24) of the house of God in 617 BCE-the same date when God made Nebuchadnezzar the head of his people,(Jeremiah 27:2-6; 12-22) 10 yrs and 5 months from Jerusalems destruction in 607 BCE. (2Kings 25:8)
Nebuchadnezzar was in his 8th yr reign at that time (2 Kings 24:12) but the Bible marked it to be his ‘1st yr’, (2 years before he dream of that Great Statue [Daniel 2:1]) and that count as far as his statue is concerned, continued down till 1938 CE totaling 2,555 years (7×365) ending in World War 2 as a means by God in bringing the Great Statue of Nebuchadnezzar or the beast in Daniel’s night vision to non existince.
connecting this event to Christ second coming, the Bible thus sequentially speak it this way: In Daniel 7:9, Daniel saw the Ancient of Days sat down to his throne to judge, that would be 1913(7×360=2520-607=1913)- the time when Jesus-the image of the unseen God-was enthroned in heaven; Then in verse 11, Daniel saw the beast with his 11th horn been killed, that would be 1938 (the year when Satanas and his demons were hurled down in the earth) and in verse 13, he saw one like the son of man coming to recieve his kingdom, that may refer to Christ and to his joint heirs who recieved the kingdom of David after its restoration in 1948.
The remaining man-made rulership that unite after the war forming the United Nations was called in the Bible the “remnant of the beast” (Daniel 7:12) They exist until now because according to Daniel “their lives were prolonged for a season and a time,” a short period referred to in Revelation 12:12. A time mentioned is equal to 70 years as had been stated in Isaiah 23:15, the passages of the said chapter speaks about Tyre with a day similar to the days of “one king.” That “one king” was referred to in Isaiah 32:1 to be the Messianic Kingdom whose invisible operation begun in 1948, their day as kings in heaven will last till the expiration of 70 years, after that, they will descend out of heaven to operate in the earth. (Rev.21:9,10)
On the other hand, Tyre whose days were similar to the days of one king was indicated in Ezekiel 28:12-16 to be the representation of Satanas, and in chapter 38 verse 15 to 16 Satanas was implied to stand with the nations of the world. So, Tyre and the nations of the world have something in common–they are both reflection of Satanas called Gog. Their extended existence as shown in Isaiah’s prophecy was to last to only 70 years beginning in 1938. Therefore if we count 70 years from 1938, its first year will point to 1939, while the 70th points to 2009.
see comment ID: 243035 and 244440 for more
Posted on July 15, 2007 at 8:12 am
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 244897)
You claimed that “you have been both dedicated JW and Christian for many years,” And now, you preached that there is no savior, no such thing as Jesus. And then despite of your knowledge of the ‘Universal Issue’ you blamed God for the suffering who have been instigated by Satanas. And then, you called God and Christ and the Army of Heaven ‘lunatic’. You even labelled the Creator of Heaven and Earth a ‘psychopatic murderer’ (243656) Oh human, what you sow you will reap.
Posted on July 12, 2007 at 7:13 am
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 245097)
Dear Doos,
Yep its is quite true I was a Christian once. I took the time to read and understand the Bible something you have not done for if you had you would not have the standpont you do. Your almost certain Christian response of blaming all bad things on Satan is a typical knee jerk reaction. You seem to forget that according to your scriptures all things including Satan were created by Biblegod. If I had to hire a hitman to do my dirty work, this automatically indemnifies me of all guilt, according to your logic, if I could call it that.
You do whatever you wish, it is your life, why don’t you do a bit of research before you gang rape anyone who holds a different viewpoint to you, I suppose that is too much hard work, and of course the the result could be that you take yourself out of your comfort zone, and you just could not live with that now could you?
Cheers,
Markus
Posted on July 12, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 245157)
Markus, Markus, dont you know that we inspire you to keep opposing? We keep hardening your heart Markus, so that we have a reason to shed your blood.
Posted on July 13, 2007 at 1:56 am
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 245164)
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 245325)
Oh James, your nothing but brain interpretation, dont you know that i’m talking to Satanas who claimed to be Markus?
Posted on July 13, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 245551)
Sorry, I’m not following your thread; however I honestly don’t really care. Nor do I care if one comments anonymously, rather than willing to use their name.
It is usually indicative of one who is cowardly or a JW, both are one & the same unfortunately.
Posted on July 13, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 245640)
[rather than willing to use their name, it is usually indicative of one who is cowardly or a JW]
James NON-JW, is this your real name? an alias? why? why not use your real name? IT IS USUALLY INDICATIVE OF ONE WHO IS COWARDLY OR A JW.
For me, its the being, not the name that matters most. I know who i am, i am not bound by name, i am not bound by man made organization nor by commerce and politics, i dont need you, i am the bird that fly towards the Creator of heaven and earth…and yes i am one of Jehovah’s Witness just as Jesus is a faithful witness to Jehovah. but certainly we are not a witness of Watch Tower Organization.
Posted on July 14, 2007 at 6:40 am
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 245966)
Yes James is my real name and no I don’t give lame excuses like your’s to try and offset what others say.
The NON-JW represents that I DO NOT recognize or acknowledge the JW faith as a religion of any authority on biblical matters. No, they are simply another money-making greed ridden cult, all of which is substantiated by facts, not conjecture, falsehoods & deception, utilized by your God the Watchtower.
Perhaps you might want to move on and try to find another place to make up easy hours for your field service report….lol.
Subvert others pal, give it up, perhaps one day when you have woken up, you’ll realize your faith is all BS, just like your last comment.
Oh and by the way, if you really want others to understand and respect what you say, try supporting your faith & doctrinal beliefs with something most of your clan doesn’t use: FACTS!!!!!
However, I’m sure your response will be somewhat similar to the last comment you posted, devoid of facts & intelligence.
Thank you.
Posted on July 15, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 246165)
[Yes James is my name]
Like James Gamble? James Smith? Whatever James you are, that is indicative of a cowardly.
[Utilized by your God the Watch Tower]
My God, the Watch Tower? Oh human, i know who my God is, and i know who you are, you are son of Satanas the Liar.
[Perhaps you might want to move on and try to find another place to make up easy hours for your field service reports]
Let me tell you son of Satanas, one of the symptom that a being is demon possessed is paranoia.
[Subvert others pal, give up, perhaps one day when you have waken up, you’ll realize your faith is all BS, Just like your last comment]
Look son of Satanas, the lost children of God are looking for a good nursery school, and Watch Tower Organization though not perfect is exceptional compared to other denomination. Now, this lost children might want to take some information about WTO before enrolling in them. They open their browser, and they found this web site. This site is largely focus in Watch Tower’s negative side, so these children were disheartened, technically speaking, you drove them away from a good school, but have you offer an alternative? You Satanas who claimed to be James, your alternative is Atheism and as a pretense you claimed to have a personal God, show me your God and i’ll show you mine. You think my motive in posting that comment was to subvert the faith of another people? You Satanic hypocrite, i try to upleft their dying relation to God.
When that faith of mine you called BS materialize, i will wipe your excrement on your own face.
[try supporting your faith and doctrinal beliefs with something most of your clan doesn’t use: FACTS!!!!!]
Prove that Israel was not restored in 1948 until you become an IDIOT!!!!!
[However, I’m sure your response will be somewhat similar to the last comment you posted, devoid of facts and intelligence.]
I tell you, you did not exist, you are nothing but anothers thought, anothers word, anothers expression, anothers feeling, anothers attire, anothers groom, you are a not here, and if you read it this way: you are a nut here.
ONLY THE SONS OF ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH IS THE TRUTH
Posted on July 16, 2007 at 12:37 am
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 246493)
Nice try on the name, by the way, is this the co-called ‘Christ like compassion’ we all remember from the JW clan? Apparently so….what a shame.
Listen lady; try using one fact to support a single one of your doctrines as stated earlier. Don’t get upset at the messenger, you really need to question your ineptitude at the Watchtower, after all they are the ones who won’t let you think for yourself. Remember all the articles prohibiting individuality & freedom of thought?
Enjoying copying & pasting my statements do you?
Perhaps you should recognize there are lots of alternatives other than atheism, maybe you could enlighten us on your vast knowledge of other faiths? In fact you’ll find many others that aren’t as dogmatic, spiteful & arrogant as you & your faith projects itself.
As well, please develop your own material, rather than reiterate (copy & paste) my words or the Watchtower’s for your use.
Sorry, nearly forgot, you don’t think for yourself; scratch that idea, in fact I guess we can disregard any intelligent dissertation other than parroting WTS propaganda & emotional responses (like your last comment).
So what exactly is going to materialize in your religion? Hmmm….oh yeah, the world’s end you folks have wrongfully predicted since the religion’s inception, again another joke. Just like Chicken Little, your Watchtower Society has no credibility, after all how many times have they screwed over people’s lives and was unaccountable? Let’s see, they used pyramids, spirit mediums & the occult to determine dates, then Rutherford “the Drunk” conjured up laughable prophecies and then we can’t forget the fact that the whole 1914 doctrine has fallen apart. Amazing, NOT ONE PROPHECY FROM THE WATCHTOWER EVER CAME TRUE. Imagine that? The Watchtower is the ultimate hypocrite, they personify the term. You, the rank & file, are nothing more than another person to push their agenda, which is why they will dump you at a moment’s notice if they don’t like you or slightly perceive something is wrong. It’s another example of their Christ-like attributes, sarcasm intended.
If there is any paranoia to be witnessed, it definitely exists within your close-minded world.
Perhaps you could write back a comment that doesn’t reflect your ignorance & lack of intelligence, using your own thoughts & less insulting drivel? That would be appreciated; maybe you could ask yourself if Christ would speak like you do?
Posted on July 16, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 246720)
Response to the so called James NON-JW (246493)
[Nice try on the name]
‘Nice try on the name’ is a statement that admits of your being ‘INDICATIVE OF A COWARDLY’
[By the way, is this the so called ‘Christ like compassion’ we all remember from the JW clan?]
I tell you: a woman who claimed to be a Christian but at the same time an ally of the Atheist deserves no compassion because she is a hypocrite, a liar, and a harlot.
[listen lady; try using one fact to support a single one of your doctrines as stated earlier]
Ok harlot woman, the ONE FACT i stated earlier is the restoration of Israel in 1948; read 243035. Remember when i told you: Prove that Israel was not restored in 1948 until you become an IDIOT!!!!!? (246165)
[Enjoying copying and pasting my statements do you?]
Yes harlot woman, i enjoy to demolished your babbles.
[Perhaps you should recognize there are lots of alternative other than atheism]
I tell you, as i told you before: Watch Tower Organization though not perfect is exceptional compared to other denominations, And the only alternative without them is to make yourself holier than them “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[maybe you could enlighten us on your vast knowledge of other faiths? In fact you’ll find many others that aren’t as dogmatic, spiteful and arrogant as you and your faith projects itself]
Remember when you said, “It is usually indicative of one who is cowardly or a JW, both are one and the same unfortunately”? (245551) that is dogmatic, spiteful and arrogant,YOU HYPOCRITE you reap what you sow.
[As well, please develop your own material, rather than reiterate (copy and paste) my words or the Watchtower’s for your use.]
Oh harlot, the Creator of heaven and earth knows my work, and you think you can swayed me by that ‘please’ you use? I tell you: i love to see you depressed.
[Sorry, nearly forgot, you don’t think for yourself;]
Yes, i did not because all i am thinking is to accomplish the will of Almighty Jehovah.
[So what exactly is going to materialize in your religion?]
The smashing of your head with stone and the burning of your genitalia whom you sold to the atheist for feasting.
[Perhaps you could write back a comment that doesn’t reflect your ignorance and lack of intelligence; using your own thoughts]
This is the ignorant: the one who deny the restoration of Israel in 1948 as fact. And you think i am not intelligent because i did not use my own thoughts? I tell you: My thoughts are thoughts of God, while yours are thoughts of Satanas. “Get behind me, Satanas! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men” (Matthew 16:23)
Posted on July 17, 2007 at 9:19 am
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 246791)
Looks just like your previous comment. You are a one trick pony aren’t you?
It’s a shame you need to resort to such immature behavior little coward.
At least I speak the truth and provide a real name, yes I know the truth hurts your little world, however I am done commenting after your pathetic attempts to answer my comments.
See you later and good luck converting anyone to your line of thinking.
You can have the last word; after all it will be your only opportunity to look smart, playing the vindictive spiteful whiner.
Being that you merely repeat what you illogically stated before and the rest will be a display in how to use copy & paste, it’s rather obvious that it will be a snooze fest.
Posted on July 17, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 247022)
reply to the so called James NON-JW (246791)
[it’s a shame you need to resort to such immature behavior little coward.]
listen you hypocrite, you started this immaturity. remember when you said, “there’s a mature answer…lol”? (245164) that is an insult. and now you resist to reap what you sow, you hypocrite. Insult no one, and no one will insult you.
[At least I speak the truth and provide a real name,]
What truth? is saying “your God is Watchtower” the truth? you liar! and is James NON-JW a real name? you idiot, real name include a surename, and dont convince me to believe you, i know who you are.
[See you later and good luck converting anyone to your line of thinking]
Listen hypocrite, that line of thinking you said, originates from you. I merely destroy it using your own line of thinking, the difference is that, while you utter it hypocritely, i speak it frankly.
[after all it will be your only opportunity to look smart,]
Remember when you said “listen lady: try using one fact to support a single one of your doctrines as stated earlier”? (246493) and when i replied “Ok harlot woman, the ONE FACT i stated earlier is the restoration of Israel in 1948; read 243035″? I notice, you become speechless here, is this the sign of your being smartly idiot? ignorant? or as you put it: I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS YOUR LITTLE WORLD.
Posted on July 18, 2007 at 7:25 am
Comment by MarkusRel (Comment ID: 245274)
God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there, he orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3) In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins. God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old testament has God killing somebody! You all are actually OK with God? And isn’t God eternal and never changing? Again these are innocent women young girls children ummm hellooo
Posted on July 13, 2007 at 9:44 am
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 245339)
[God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people]
David did not ordered a census of the people, it is Satanas who posed to be an angel of God that ordered David to number Israel. “And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel.” (1Chronicles 21:1)
The death of these 70,000 people serves as a ransom to David’s life. (v.13) They died with hope of resurrection in paradise earth for “there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.” (Acts 24:15)
[In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead]
The murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead was the result of their failings to cooperate with their brothers. “…is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the Lord? And behold, there came none to the camp from Jabesh-gilead to the assembly. For the people were numbers, and behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead there.” (Judges 21:8,9) As reported in the book of Judges, because of such failings they were murdered, but it was an order of the congregation, not of God. “And the congregation sent thither 12,000 men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.”(v.10)
To us, their action may appear unjust, but “…in those days…everyman did that which was right in his own eyes.”(v.25)
In macro reality, all of these bloodshed are but outcome of the cosmic battle which had been triggered by Satanas: “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” To Satanas, the struggle was to prevent the woman (Israel) from producing a seed whose destiny was to kill him. To God, it means doing everything to accomplished his purpose. And his purpose was to kill Satanas through the promised Seed(Christ). Any obstacle to his purpose are bound to destruction BECAUSE THE MOTIVE OF HIS PURPOSE WAS TO RESTORE ETERNAL LIFE.
Posted on July 13, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 247283)
Hey Markus how are you?
Have you heard from Fri as of late, he must be busy with life and his work. I miss his input, you know.
I see you are attempting to reason with the JW clown posting as of late.
She apparently just discovered how copy & paste works, haha.
I can’t be bothered dealing with such an imbecile. You know, if someone wants to have a conversation using facts, hey I’m there. However, in their case they can’t even use a real name, let alone think.
No surprise though, actually I was just thinking I have a program that reads the IP addresses of these posters. Once I have that, and drop a little note, it would be funny to watch them run & hide for fear their local Kingdom Hall figures out whom they are.
Like I also said many times, if a religion has people worship out of fear, it must be BS.
Posted on July 18, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Comment by ME (Comment ID: 248025)
Don’t be afraid James, face the fact. Remember when you said “listen lady; try using one fact to support a single one of your doctrines as stated earlier”? and when i replied “Ok harlot woman, the ‘ONE FACT’ i stated earlier is the restoration of Israel in 1948; read 243035″ you become speechless here, why? it’s a shame when you ask for a fact and when that fact was given you deny it. Open your little world James. Accept the fact that you are foolish so that you will become wise. I tell you the whole truth James, your academic achievement is nothing compared to what Jah has given ME. “I have more understanding than all my teachers for God’s testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep God’s precepts. I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep God’s word. I have not departed from God’s judgments, for God hast taught me…I have inclined mine heart to perform God’s statutes alway, even unto the end.” (Psalm 119:99-102, 112)
Posted on July 21, 2007 at 10:50 am
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 248387)
To Me,
Funny how you single out 1948 on the basis of your belief. No matter how many 365’s you may add or subtract or multiply by seven days a week the following is FACT and it can be read in your own good book, the end of the world is overdue by only a few thousand years, as told by Jesus and his disciples, were they lying? Yes they were and therefore we should not believe any other thing they said, in fact we should take the words spoken by them and throw them down the toilet where they belong because these people were liars, and liars=frauds=thieves.
Read what Jesus said in Matthew 24 that later proved false. He predicted or falsely prophesied (lied) to the people of that ancient era the “rapture” v.31, or the “end of the world” v.3,13, or “Judgment Day” v. 50-51, and “The Second Coming” v.30 would all occur within THEIR lifetime (within the First Century), i.e. so people then living would live to see it all before they died.
“ALL these things will happen before the people NOW living have all died”. -Mt 24:34.
Another translation states it: “Some of the people of THIS generation will still be alive when all this happens”.
A third says: “While the people of THIS time are still living”.
Any translation you choose will show you what is quite clear, Jesus was not talking about centuries later he was talking about THERE and THEN.
Elsewhere Jesus predicted to his disciples that he was “about” (from the Greek “mello” meaning on the verge of) to come with his angels, and reward each one according to his deeds ( judgment day). “I assure you that there are some here (i.e. back in 33 AD) who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man or Jesus come as King.” -Mt 16: 27-28.
Jesus promised that not only would The Second Coming occur within the lifetime of his First Century disciples, it would even occur within the lifetime of Caiaphas (who tried him)- Mt 26: 63-64, and the Roman soldiers (who crucified him). -Rev. 1:7
As evidence his disciples took him at his word, we find this doctrine being put into practice in the early Christian community. Believing the end of the world to be approaching, Jesus had told his disciples to get rid of all their possessions, -Luke 12:33. This they gladly did after Jesus’ death.- Acts 2:44-45. Some Jehovah’s Witnesses did the same thing after being lied to, and guess what? No compensation ever occurred from these liars.
The Apostle Paul ordered Christians not to waste time getting married for he told them the world, as it was then, would not last much longer. -1Cor 7:26-31.
So you tell me, where, in the name of Thor is Jesus?
There is no mathematical connotation here, all is quite clear, Jesus is nothing but a low down liar, when you read in historical records of him ever existing you shall not be surprised that there is hardly any ever mention of him, and that which is there makes for dubious reading, pretty good for someone who can walk on water huh.
Cheers,
Markus
Posted on July 23, 2007 at 1:54 am
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 248882)
[Funny how you single out 1948 on the basis of your belief.]
This statement of this so called Markus, proves that he is brainless, idiot, moron, stupid, foolish. Why did we single out 1948? Because this so called James NON-JW ask for a ONE FACT. One means single, you understand Markus the moron?
[we should not believe any other thing they said, in fact we should take the words spoken by them and throw them down the toilet where they belong because these people were liars, and liars=frauds=thieves.]
Listen Markus the moron, first of all, your skull contains nothing but mud ok? therefore, any insight presented to you is useless.
By the way, dont think that you were just playing an atheist role. We are determined to kill you–you son of Satanas and your father.
Posted on July 25, 2007 at 3:18 am
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 249073)
Dear Doos,
Thanks for the compliment.
As I said in an earlier comment, I do not believe in your make believe God or your make believe devil.
Please stop swishing that make believe sword you have around, it is giving me sleepless nights.
As they say the proof is in the pudding. Joe Hover the almighty who everyone was scared of turned out to be a pussy later on, what happened? Did he run out of lighter fluid? A sudden change of heart perhaps?
Not likely, for your good book says: “I the LORD do not change”. (Malachi 3:6).
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever”. (Hebrews 13:8)
Funny how I can run around in deranged circles and call your god all kinds of profanities, does a thunderbolt strike me? Sorry good buddy, your Joe Hover does not exist, never did and unless another Hitler comes into power, never will.
Hope to hear from you in nineteen months or is it eighteen now?
Kind regards,
Markus
Posted on July 25, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Comment by James NON-JW (Comment ID: 249121)
LOL.
Markus, I guess the “Insulter” AKA Anonymous is getting a little perturbed.
Wow, it doesn’t take much to get these people flustered does it?
Funny how they have so much to say about everyone else yet don’t follow the advice from their God the Watchtower.
I’m glad people like us are free, we don’t have to live in fear someone within their restrictive confines will discover their little venture onto this site.
Peace brother.
Posted on July 26, 2007 at 1:47 am
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 249368)
Hi again James,
Yep 100% correct. Pity Doos, (a Dutch word for box, or more explicidly in Afrikaans an empty box), funny how believers in Joe and Son (prince of peace) can instantly turn loony tune crazy as soon as they are approached and told their precious belief is held in contempt by others. What makes it more frustrating for these good folk, is that when they turn to their fairy tale book, it offers comfort only to those with blinkers, yes yes eat some more crap, God is good, grovel in the dirt God will save you, grovel some more Jesus will save you,
no matter how little money you have, the church will accept a donation, the less you have the more a donation will it count, remember the well designed parable.
Better start selling Watchtowers, only 18 months left.
Makes me sick, should make Doos sick too, sadly he will soldier on until his life is depleted, what a waste.
Cheers,
Markus
Posted on July 26, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 254777)
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Posted on August 6, 2007 at 2:43 am
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 243035)
the Bible prophesize that Jerusalem will lay desolate for 70 years and that after that period the nation that made jerusalem desolate will be punish. (Jeremiah 25:11,12) The fall of Babylon occurs in 539 BCE, that must be the year when God punish Babylon, so if we countback 70 years from that date, the starting period of desolation will point to 609 BCE, equivalent to Zedekiah’s 9th year reign, the time when the ’sign’ spoken in Ezekiel 4:1-3 has appeared. the sign was the besetting of Jerusalem by the invading armies. Jerusalem was besiege at least 2 times. the initial occurs at the end of 618 to the start of 617 BCE (2 Chronicles 36: 5-10) but the final took place in 609 (2 Kings 25:1) According to Jeremiah 34:13-21 Babylon’s seization of Jerusalem corresponds to the 7th ‘day’ of the ‘week of years’ cycle. If we count this cycle beginning 1472 BCE, (the year of israel’s arrival in promise land) October 610 to October 609 will correspond to the 7th day of 123rd week. However if we count this cycle starting from 1513, (Jeremiah 34:13-14) Oct.609 to Oct 608 will correspond as the 7th day of 129th week. So 609-608 was confirmed as the time when the prophetic 7 times in Daniel 4 has started. therefore, if we multiply 7 to 365 days (solar calendar) the result is 2,555 years. and if we count this years beginning 607 (Oct.609-608 represents zero year) its completion will point to 1948. the time when israel recovers its homeland. (2555-607=1948)
Watch Tower Society is already aware of this, they even know the specific date of the end (the reason behind their recent release of the tract ‘the end of false religion is near’) they just chose to conceal it, unfortunately, i have a copy of that information, and i’m willing to forward it to anyone who ask. my e-mail is: knell2008@yahoo.com
Posted on July 6, 2007 at 4:56 am
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 243288)
To Anonymous ( comment # 243035).
How come they don’t divide by 365. Why not multiply by 24 or 12? One can make up any formula to make any
answer apparent to suit anyone. Have you seen all the paraphelia about 9-11? Just because some mathematical nut comes up with some coincidence regarding a few sums does not mean we should run to a church and beg for mercy.
Cheers,
Markus.
Posted on July 6, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 243516)
1)it has nothing to do with 9 11
2)it is chronologically accurate
3)it is scriptural
4)1948 is a fact
5)coincidence is a false (Jeremiah 30:18-21)
6)[how come they dont divide by 365?]
2,555 years is an amplified form of Nebuchadnezzar’s 7 years madness. (Daniel 4:25) That 7 is a prophetic pattern for Israel who pictured Nebuchadnezzar. 7 years multiply to 365 equal’s 2,555 days. In the Bible, if a day were used in prophecy it could mean a year as indicated in the last passage of Ezekiel 4:6 saying: “each day for a year” so 2555 days means 2555 years.
7)No Markus, we should not run to a church and beg for mercy. Your saviour is Christ, all you need next is to be holy
8)That ‘mathematical nut’ is better than pornutgraphic addict
Posted on July 7, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 243656)
To Anonymous, (243516) give yourself a name or call sign, there are hundreds of anonymouses on this site.
1. Who said anything had to do with 9-11? I mentioned a hypothetical example, is all.
2. It is easy to claim something is chronically accurate,
another to prove.
3. It is indeed scriptural, everything in the Bible is scriptural.
4. Coincidence is not false despite what Jeremiah says,
I have encountered many coincidences I’m sure you have too. How are they false? They happen don’t they?
5-6. All things being as accurate as the Bible is why is there only 365 days in a year, in fact there are 365.25
days in a year, kind of screws up your calculations somewhat doesn’t it?
It rained for forty days and forty nights after Noah got into the Ark, if 40 days=40 years they must have had one hell of a food supply on that boat. Funny how you Christians can choose whatever 1 day means to suit
whatever crap you are preaching on that particular day.
7. All I need next is to be holy? Take a word of advise, O nameless one, I have been both dedicated JW and Christian for many years, probably longer than you have been alive, you have no savior, there is no such thing, when your body dies you will rot in a box get used to the idea, (you have to die of course because Adam was naughty), if your soul or spirit makes it into the next world please ask Jesus why he wiped out one third of the entire population of Europe in the great plague, how come he invented such nice things as AIDS and Malaria? Even in Biblical times Biblegod/Jesus
condoned the smashing in of babies heads, the raping of virgins that had been captured in so called holy wars.
When you die you wish to be with this lunatic?
Even I, an outspoken Atheist, has to admit that at least
the Bible does not pull any punches; it gives you a great good God and at the same time a psychopathic murderer, the trouble with our good Christians such as anonymous or nameless one above is he/they have not even read the content of the book they live by, they read Jesus is good and learn off by heart the pertaining scriptures, to bamboozle poor folk that need some kind of up-lifting in this hard world that our loving God put them in.
The Bible is inerrant, has no mistakes and is inspired, it had to be because it says so itself. I can show you dozens of contradictions in your New Testament alone
which will prove that none of the above is true. You the great believer nonetheless will follow mindlessly
the great myth, I wish you could only try to get a life.
Cheers,
Markus
Posted on July 7, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 244070)
Oh Satanas who claimed to be Markus, you enemy of all righteous, i give you food but you chose to eat your own flesh and drink your own blood. If knowing everything requires to kill you, will you agree? will you still wish to know everything through experience and not through the words of those who already know it? If you dont belive in my Father thinking there is no such thing as death, what is your proof? If the proof requires to see it for your self, what will you find then if you did not exist at all? And how will you solve the problem if death is not an option to anyone? not even to you? Where can you find the answer? Only in God’s word, but if you have no faith in His word, where? in death? Who will prefer to die to provide an answer? Who will bring him back to tell you? If my Father incapsulate all, what is outside that capsule? Is there life out there? What is your proof? If finding that proof requires you to die, will you agree? What will you find then if you did not exist at all? Who will provide the answer? Only God’s Word. If Christ died to provide you an answer, did you believe in him? did you not cling to your own creation? “Once upon a time, there was a man who wants to find out what is within his body, he try to open his body but it is painful, so he ask someone to open their body for him to see what is within, but everyone refuses telling it could kill them, but that man did not believe, so to satisfy his craving he kill an innocent man and then he keenly observe what is within him by observing the deeds of that bleeding man as he struggle to cure himself from those deadly wound.”
Oh Satanas, you killer of mankind NO ONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND WOULD CHOSE TO LIVE BY HIS OWN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE WITH GOD.
Posted on July 9, 2007 at 1:13 am
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 244319)
To Anonymous (Comment ID: 244070) Food, what food do you give? Is selling magazines now called food? Yes, things are known through experience, by ours or others, and the experience I had with the Jw’s witnesses or Christians over many years were not the greatest.
Good question Markus presented, is your good God still asleep? How come so many innocent people are still diyng? Over 10 million of children die every year, what is your joe-hover (whatever name you call your god) doing about it?
Death not being an option any more? What planet are you from, kingdom hall?
So you think the solution is the bible or god or whatever do you? Let see, what solutions have the chuches brought to us in the past 4000 years? Please take your best shot and answer me.
Regardless of how much everlasting life you promise or have promised, we are still diying and nothing is going to change it my friend. The sooner you learn that the sooner you will have a real life, not one based on faith, dreams, and lies.
Do you really believe that Christ died to provide an answer, was it really a big sacrifice for Jesus to die for mankind (if I believe it)? Let see if I understand it. Jesus was a man and by dying he became a God, apparently as most people believe the second in command. So a man dies and becomes a God. I am willing to make that sacrifice for you, or for anyone for that matter. Please someone kill me so that I can become a God.
Posted on July 9, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 244440)
[Is your God still asleep?] No markus, my God never sleep “Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. he does not tire out or grow weary.” Do not implicate the Almighty for the unreasonableness of Watch Tower leaders, leave them and move forward for ‘he that does the will of God remains forever.’ Concerning human sufferings, do you think He loves to see you dying? ‘Do i take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, and not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living? (Ezekiel 18:23,32) If you prefer, you can return to your nanny (WTO) but if not, then return to God, ‘Return to me, and i will return to you, Jehovah of armies has said.’ (Malachi 3:7) But never ever return to Satanas the Murderer of mankind. Have you ever heard of his confession? Listen: “Snake, i am snake, tempting that bite you take, let me make your mind, leave yourself behind. Be not afraid i,ve got what you need, hunger i will feed… End of passion play, crumbling away. I’m your source of self destruction, veins that pump with fear, sucking darkest clear leading on your deaths construction. Taste me you will see, more is all you need, you’re dedicated to, how i’m killing you. Come crawling faster, obey your Master, your life burns faster, obey your Master. Master of Puppets i’m pulling your strings, twisting your mind and smashing your dreams. Blinded by me, you can’t see a thing, just call my name, cause i’ll hear you scream. Needle work the way, never you betray, life of death becoming clearer, pain monopoly, ritual misery chop your breakfast on a mirror. Master where’s the derams that i’ve been after? Master, Master, You promised only lies, laughter laughter all i hear and see is laughter, laughter, laughter laughing at my cries. Hell is worth all that, natural habitat. Just a rhyme without a reason. Never ending maze, drift on numbered days, now your life is out of season.” “Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance… However let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.” Barnabbas, a companion and fellow preacher of Paul, in chapter 15 verse 3,4 and 5 of his epistle said: “of the Sabbath he speaketh in the beginning of the creation: ‘And God made the works of his hands in 6 days, and he ended on the 7th day, and rested on it, and hallowed it.’ Give heed, children what this meaneth, ‘he ended in 6 days. He meaneth this, that in 6000 years the Lord shall bring all things to an end, for the day with him signifyeth a thousand years, and this he himself beareth me witness, saying: Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years; Therefore, children, in 6 days, that is in 6000 years, everything shall come to an end. and what is that he saith, ‘And he rested the 7th day, he meaneth this: that when his son shall come, and abolish the SEASON OF THE WICKED ONE, and judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars (existing rulership), then he shall gloriously rest in that 7th day.” The SEASON OF THE WICKED ONE (Satanas) begun when Adam and Eve committed sin against God. The beginning and the end of that season can be trace by connecting the Bible count of time with the world’s count of time down to 2008. A date in history that has sound basis for acceptance and that corresponds with a particular event recorded in the Bible was the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE. This event was already foretold to occur after the accomplishment of the appointed 70 years. (Jeremiah 25:11,12) the outset of this years took place when the accounting of 390 years error in Israel was fulfilled. (Eze. 4:1-5) The beginning of 390 years occur following the death of Solomon 36 years after the temple was constructed in his 4th year reign. (1King 11:11,42,43) The temple was constructed 480 years after Israel departs Egypt. (1King6:1) Israel depart from Egypt 430 years after the validation of the Abrahamic covenant (Gal. 3:17,18) which is the same year when Abraham left Haran following the death of his father. His father died at age 205. (Gen.11:32) Terah, his father, was born to Nachor when Nachor was 29 yrs old. (Gen 11:24) Nachor was born to Serug when Serug was 30 yrs old. (11:22) Serug was born to Reu when Reu was 32 yrs old (11:20) Reu was born to Peleg when Peleg was 30 yrs old. (11:18) Peleg was born to Eber when Eber was 34 yrs old. (11:16) Eber was born to Shela when Shela was 30 yrs old. (11:14) Shela was born to Arpaxad when Arpaxad was 35 yrs old. (11:12) Arpaxad was born 2 yrs after the flood. (11:10) Flood occurs when Noah was 600 yrs old (7:6) Noah was born to Lamech when Lamech was 182 yrs old (5:28) Lamech was born to Mathusalem when Mathusalem was 187 yrs old (5:25) Mathusalem was born to Enoch when Enoch was 65 yrs old (5:21) Enoch was born to Jared when Jared was 162 yrs old (5:18) Jared was born to Mahalael when Mahalael was 65 yrs old (5:15) Mahalael was born to Cainan when Cainan was 70 years old (5:12) Cainan was born to Enosh when Enosh was 90 yrs old (5:9) Enosh was born to Seth when Seth was 105 yrs old (5:6) Seth was born to Adam when Adam was 130 yrs old. (5:3) Summing all these years all the way back to the completion of the appointed 70 years in 539 BCE would give us a total of 3,489 years, and if the remaining 538 years of the world’s count of time were to be added, the outset of the Wicked One’s season would point to 4027 BCE-the year the darkness begin to reign over man when Adam fail to obey God’s word. The first year of this authority correspond to 4026 BCE. When will be the end of this darkness? If we reckon all the years from 4026 BCE down to 2008 CE, this would indicate that the SEASON OF THE WICKED ONE has now amounted to 6,034 years. However, Jesus word written in John chapter 9 verse 5 revealed a temporary stoppage in the era of darkness when he said, “As long as i am in the world, i am the world’s light.” The holy spirit, describing the impact of Christ presence while in the realm of Satanas also said, “And the light is shinning in the darkness but the darkness has not overpowered it.’ (John 1:5) So it was evident, the presence of Christ in first century has interrupted the flow of the Wicked One’s season for 33 and a half years. Thus, subtracting 33 and a half years from 6,034 would signify the coming Holy Week of 2008 to Holy Week of 2009 as the period for the Wicked One’s 6000 years reign to come to a close, which where then to be followed by Christ actual reign for 1000 years beginning April 2009.
“I have kept quiet for a long time. I continued silent. I kept exercising self-control. Like woman giving birth i am going to groan, pant, and gasp at the same time, i shall devastate mountains and hills, and all their vegetation i shall dry up” Do not disrespect the Creator of heaven and earth “God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap.”
Posted on July 10, 2007 at 11:38 am
Comment by Rel (Comment ID: 244456)
First of all my friend, I am not Markus, you may call me Rel. (The one who does the will of God remain forever), remains forever in what? Death, shits, what what???? Most certainly God enjoys seeing people suffering and dying! If he/she didn’t, he/she would have done something about it a long time ago. With all the innocent people dying each day, one must conclude he/she is heartless! One thing you are right about, he/she does not grow tired, tired of watching people suffering!. You say “Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise”. Wow, a snail is considered to be very slow, yet in 4000 years it would have been around the globe many times.
How much longer do we have to wait???
2000 years from now the Jw’s will still be preaching “the end is just around the corner”.
It has been around the corner for last 200 years right???
You are very good at copying and pasting info from the WT. Are you counting the time for your next field service report???
You need to get a life my friend. You must come out of that little world called “kingdom hell”. We know you feel very comfortable there, since everyone knows you.
It is time for you to step out of the closet.
Posted on July 10, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 244545)
[You are very good at copying and pasting info from WT] No human, i’m not good in copying and pasting info from WT. But one thing sure, i’m good in killing human who choose to take side with Satanas. I only restrain my self from doing this because i respect Jah, but when time come, i will never ever forget, i will kill you, in the name of Jah i will do this.
Posted on July 11, 2007 at 2:02 am
Comment by Rel (Comment ID: 244660)
just like a senseless woman you also have spoken.
So now you kill humans? You must be satan or one of his demons to have such a power.
Your true colors are finally coming through!
Keep up the good work.
Time for you to go back to your mental therapist.
Posted on July 11, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Comment by Markus (Comment ID: 244761)
To anonymous (id 244440 + 244545) and who shall be referred to from now on as Doos.
Dear Doos,
I am actually surprised that you are a modern day Christian, or have any religious affinity at all. Even if you do not, I for one have as much respect for you as I do a child rapist. You are one useless piece of shit, and who have you got to thank? Why? It is so easy, all you
have to do is look at your thirsting for the crap your good book spews out which you swallow without even smelling the bait and there Doos, is your answer.
Because I reject the material you think is so good, you con-jive in your mind that I am evil, why don’t you look at yourself for Christ’s sake, you are no better than a 9-11 terrorist.
I do not believe in the Bible, for it was written by senile old men a long time ago, this does not take a brain surgeon to work out once the innacuracies, and borrowed fables are researched and understood.
Now Doos, seeing as I don’t believe in the Bible, how, I ask with crocodile tears in my eyes can I be a Satanist?
I may be a theist of some sort, I am a practical believer
I cannot follow Biblegod neither can I follow Quarangod, for they are both Gods that condone the most outregeous deeds, even by today’s standards.
You lot have been asking me to follow a dubious God for a long time. All I have to do is die, and I will be saved, all I have to do in return is pay, in money or kind for my whole life and I will be saved, no better con-artists exist than those in the clergy.
What is your problem, if I choose to not follow your faith I will die anyway, so Doos, the question arises
why kill me?
Cheers,
Markus
Posted on July 11, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 194308)
Comment ID:1943207 Gave you the wrong email address. Thanks
Posted on March 23, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Comment by Anonymous (Comment ID: 194307)
Where did you find the quote about Pro. Edward F. Campbell being misquoted in the let your kingdom come book ?
Posted on March 23, 2007 at 10:42 pm
