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Carl Olof Jonsson

(From: Investigator No. 30 1993 May)

To apocalyptic movements the “end” has always been at hand. Without doubt this has been the key to their success.  How many people wouldn’t like our world of endless problems to disappear and be replaced by a better one?  Any movement that is able to keep such expectations alive has a guaranteed increase.

War and Peace as “Signs of the Times”

Such expectations are created by interpreting different
world events as prophetic ‘signs’, which indicate that the end is
close.  There are always Scriptures which, by the aid of a
little imagination, can be applied to the current world situation.
In times of war Jesus’ words about “nation against nation and kingdom
against kingdom” (Matt. 24:7) are quoted.  And during more
peaceful periods attention is drawn to other biblical statements. 
At such times the Watch Tower Society has commonly referred to the
words of the apostle Paul at 1 Thessalonians 5:3. This text says,
according to the New World Translation:

“Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as
the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by
no means escape.”

The Society interprets this text as follows, according to The
of May 15, 1984,  page 6:

“This prophecy makes it clear that, just prior to the end of
this system of things, ‘peace and security’ will be declared
in some exceptional way, whether by the United Nations or independently
by political and religious leaders.  What will follow that
declaration?  Paul said: ‘Then sudden destruction will
be instantly upon them.’—1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3”

An “Unmistakable Sign”?

Seventy-six years have now passed since 1914, when,
according to the Society, the ‘last generation’ began. That the
present peace efforts have heightened the expectations among Jehovah’s
Witnesses is, therefore, nothing to wonder at.

Thanks to Gorbachev’s ‘glasnost’ policy a new period
of relaxation between the great powers has developed. A number of
protracted wars have ended, the dictatorships in Eastern Europe
are falling, and important steps have been taken in the negotiations
on peace and disarmament.  Will this development result in
a proclamation of “Peace and Security” around the world?  This
is, at least, what Jehovah’s Witnesses are now being led to look

According to the Society, such a proclamation will
be “the signal for God to move into action”, yes, “an unmistakable
signal that world destruction is imminent.” – Awake!, April
8; 1988, page 14;  “True Peace and Security – How Can You Find
It?” (1986), page 85.

But how “unmistakable,” really, is the “signal” the
Witnesses have been told to look for? Most of them are completely
unaware of the fact that the Society repeatedly during its past
history has proclaimed that the period of  “peace and security”
is immediately at hand, or even that this period already has begun. 
Each time, however, the “unmistakable signal” has turned out to
be a mistake!

“Peace and Security” in the Period 1899-1914

Towards the end of his life Charles Taze Russell,
the first president of the Watch Tower Society, arrived at the conclusion
that 1 Thessalonians 5:3 was fulfilled in the period 1899-1914. 
When, during a question and answer session at a convention in 1915,
he was asked how this text should be understood, he answered:

“We think that this saying of  ‘peace! peace!’ has been
going on for some years.  The Church systems and everybody
have been claiming, ever since the first Peace Conference at
The Hague (in 1899), that war had to come to an end, that we
were having the time of peace that the Bible tells us about.”

According to Russell’s interpretation, this period of “peace
and security” was cut off in 1914 by the “great tribulation”,
which was to culminate in the predicted world destruction. – See
the book: What Pastor Russell Said (written by L. W. Jones,
a close associate of Pastor Russell), page 529

Peace and Security in 1918

Russell’s interpretation turned out to be shortlived.
In 1917, when world developments indicated that the war, instead
of culminating in world destruction, would soon come to an end,
Russell’s interpretation was changed by the new president, J. F.
Rutherford. The war would end, he wrote, and be followed by “a short
period of peace,” when the people would say “Peace” in accordance
with 1 Thess. 5:3.  Soon after that the end would come. – The
Watch Tower
, Jan. l, 1917, pp. 4-5;  Dec.1, 1917, p. 358


“Peace and Security” in the 1930s

The “sudden destruction” expected to follow quickly
upon the peace that commenced in 1918 turned out to be long in coming. 
In the middle of the 1930s, therefore, the time was due for a new
application of the ‘peace prophecy’.  Thus, in 1936, Rutherford,
in the booklet Choosing Riches or Ruin?, wrote that they
“now” were in the period when the prophetic words in 1 These. 5:3
would be fulfilled. But prior to this imminent peace period, Rutherford
predicted, the nations on earth, headed by religious leaders, would
silence the preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Thereafter they
would proclaim “Peace and security” worldwide. – See also pages
291-294 of the book Enemies, published in 1937.  On
page 293 of the latter book Rutherford wrote:

“The old ‘whore’ (Roman Catholic Church) sitting upon the back
of the beast may soon be expected to say: ‘Peace and safety;
we have silenced all opponents.’  Then Jehovah’s ‘strange
act’ will begin, and sudden destruction comes upon her ‘as travail
upon a woman with child’.”

“Peace and Security” After 1945

In 1939, however, World War II broke out without having
been preceded by the predicted world peace.  Once again, therefore,
Rutherford had to postpone the peace period. In 1940 he foretold
that the war would soon be interrupted by a brief peace period,
immediately followed by God’s war Armageddon. – The Watchtower
August 15, 1940, page 246 and September 1, 1940, pp. 259, 260, 265,

Early in 1942, in the middle of the war, Rutherford
died.  His successor, N. H. Knorr, stuck to this latest interpretation. 
In the booklet Peace – Can It Last?, published in 1942, Knorr
explained that the peace period soon to come “will be very short-lived”,
as it would quickly be followed by the battle of Armageddon. (Page

But the peace period that began after the end of the
war in 1945 was not to become as “short-lived” as the Watch Tower
Society had predicted!  We are, in fact, still living in that
peace period!   Historians now point out that such a long
era of peace between the great powers is unique in history! 
Historian Robert Jarvis, for instance, wrote in 1988 that,

“Such a long period of peace between the mightiest states is
without precedence.” (International Security, Vol. 13 1988,
p. 80)

And two years earlier K. J. Holsti noted that,

“By historical standards a forty-one year period without an
intra-Great Power war is unprecedented.” (International Studies
Quarterly, 30 December 1986, p. 369)

This peace period has now lasted over 45 years

“Peace and Security”  in the 1970s

During the greater part of the peace period after
1945 the relations between the great powers have been strained,
a situation that has often been described as ‘the cold war.’ The
‘peace prophecy’ at 1 Thess. 5:3, therefore, was generally pushed
into the background. But early in the 1970s a relaxation, a detente,
of the strained relations occurred.  This was greeted in the
Watchtower publication as an important “sign”, especially as the
Society for a number of years had been stressing that 6,000 years
since the creation of Adam would expire in 1975.  “Strange
events are taking place in our time,” said the Awake! magazine of
October 8, 1972., on page 4.  This special issue on the theme
“World Peace Coming – Will it Last?” contained a series of articles
discussing the peace efforts.  On page 9 the magazine referred
to the prophecy about “Peace and Security” at 1 Thessalonians 5:3
and stated:

“This prophecy seems to be rapidly nearing its fulfillment.”

Two books, both published in 1973, added more fuel to the expectations.
True Peace and Security – From What Source?  clearly
related the detente in the world to the prophecy at 1 Thess. 5:3. 
And the other book, God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached,
said on page 364:

“The current world events appear to be flowing toward the situation
when men in control of affairs will jubilantly cry out in a
self-congratulating way: ‘Peace and security!’”

Similar statements appeared repeatedly in the Watchtower publications
during the next two years.

1986: “The International Year of Peace”

Despite all the predictions and expectations for the
1970s, the decade passed without either world peace or world destruction.
And when also the relaxation and peace talks between the great powers
broke down, The Watchtower finally had to admit that “none
of these efforts fit the description at 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3.”
(The Watchtower, November 15, 1981, p. 14)

But toward the end of 1985 the speculations got a
new start.  On October 24, 1985, the United Nations, on its
40th anniversary, declared 1986 as “the International Year of Peace”.

The Watchtower of October 1, 1985, stated that
Jehovah’s Witnesses “watch the event with interest”, but “cannot
say in advance whether this will prove to be the fulfilment of Paul’s
words quoted above.” (Page 18)  For safety’s sake, however,
The Society dusted off one of the books from 1973, True Peace
and Security—From What Source?
  and published it again
in a new, revised edition during the peace year 1986 (renamed as
True Peace and Security—How Can You Find It?).  Referring to
the United Nations declaration of 1986 as the “Year of Peace”, the
book quoted the prophecy at 1 Thess. 5:3 and stated that:

“this, no doubt, is a step toward the fulfilment of Paul’s
above-quoted words.” (Page 85)

Like all the earlier predictions and expectations, the “peace
year” 1986, too, failed to “signal the imminent apocalypse.” (The
Watchtower, February, 1986, page 6)  The developments in
recent years, however, during our present so-called “glasnost”
era, have kept the expectations alive. At first, though, the statements
in the Watchtower publications were framed somewhat more cautiously.
One hundred years of failed predictions seemed to have left their
marks. In Awake! magazine of December 8, 1989, the question
was asked if the recent surprising world events could be a fulfilment
of 1 Thess. 5:3. The answer given was:

“We cannot say. Nevertheless, it is obvious that today, in
December 1989,  ‘peace and security’ is closer to realization
than before.” (page 24)

The issues of The Watchtower of April 1 and 15, 1990,
both carried special articles on “world peace”, but still one
could notice a palpable caution.  The April 1 issue just
briefly mentioned that 1 Thessalonians 5:3 will be fulfilled “very
soon” (page 9), while the issue of April 15 didn’t mention Paul’s
prophecy at all.

This caution turned out to be short-lived. A few months
later, at the Society’s summer conventions a new book, Mankind’s
Search For God
, was released.  On page 371 of this book
we found the following bold statement

“Already, another outstanding Bible prophecy is approaching
fulfillment before our eyes.”

Then, quoting Paul’s words at 1 Thess. 5:1-3, the Society applies
them to the present world situation by saying it would appear
that the nations that were formerly belligerent and suspicious
of one another are now moving cautiously to-ward a situation in
which they will be able to declare world peace and security. New
expectations are thus, once again, being built up among the Witnesses
worldwide. In view of the past record, it seems safe to predict
that these expectations also will fail.

“Timely Warnings to the Reading Public”?

Time and again, for almost a whole century, the Watch
Tower society has proclaimed that Paul’s prophecy about “peace and
security” has been close to fulfillment. Each time these predictions
have gone wrong.  It might be expected that a movement that
has failed so com-pletely in its predictions would finally assume
a more humble attitude and begin to tone down its prophetic claims.
But instead the movement continues, with stubborn presumptuousness,
to speak as if it receives its messages directly from Jehovah himself: 
“We are confident that Jehovah will keep his people well informed”,
said The Watchtower of May 15, 1987 (page 19)  And in
the same magazine, in the issue of September 1, 1987, the following
promise is given on page 22:

“To help you keep on guard, the Watch Tower Society will continue
issuing in its publications timely warnings to the reading public,
so that you will not be caught off guard by the coming pretentious
proclamation  ‘Peace and security’, as devised by the nations
of this old system of things.”

“Timely warnings”?  How much is such a promise worth to
the one who knows that every warning of this kind given in the
past by this Society has been given in the wrong time?  Not
a scrap, of course. Unfortunately, however, millions of unsuspecting
and confiding people will continue to take such promises in sober
earnest and act accordingly.  No one is so misled as the
one who believes it is a grave sin to question those who misled
him. (Matthew 15:14)

What Did the Apostle Mean?

Did Paul really predict that the nations, immediately
before the end of the age, would proclaim a world peace?  Did
he say that this would be the “final signal” heralding that 
“sudden destruction” is imminent? (The Watchtower, May 15, 1987,
page 19) The context, and especially the broader context, shows
this conclusion to be totally wrong.

Bible commentators often point out that the apostle
Paul in 1 Thess. 5:1-11 simply gives a summary of Jesus’ own words
about his coming as recorded at Matt. 24:36-44, Luke 17:26-30 and
21:34-36.  Jesus had said that he would come unexpectedly,
like a thief in the night.  It would be as in the days of Noah,
before the Flood, and as in the days of Lot, before the destruction
of Sodom and Gomorrah.  People back then were occupied with
their daily activities and didn’t suspect anything; “they were eating
and drinking, men were selling, they were planning, they were building.”
In the middle of all this the destruction suddenly came upon them. 
Paul briefly sums up Jesus’ words:

“Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write
to you, for you know very well (from Jesus’ own words) that
the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While
people are saying, ‘Peace and safety,’ destruction will come
on them suddenly.” 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 New International Version

A thief does not announce in advance the “times and dates” of
his coming.  He does not “signal” his coming in any way. 
He comes unexpectedly, surprisingly, when people feel safe and
secure.  It was because of this absence of any “signs” or
“signals” that Jesus urged his disciples to “keep awake” and “ready”
and “sober”. (Matt. 24:42, 44; Luke 21:34, 36)  Paul repeated
these exhortations. (1 Thess. 5:6-8)  To “keep awake” would
not mean to keep looking for any “final signal”, but to “keep
our senses and have on the breastplate of faith and love and as
a helmet the hope of salvation”. (1 Thess. 5:8)  The one
clothed in that armor would not be taken by surprise by the “Lord’s
day”.  He would be ready, whenever it came.

The Watch Tower Society has changed the sense of Paul’s
words to mean exactly the reverse. They have made the predicted
absence of “signs” and “signals”, which Paul expressed with the
words “Peace and safety” (NW: “Peace and security”)  to the 
“final signal”  that world destruction is imminent!

“Peace, Peace; When There Is No Peace”

The Greek word used by Paul of “peace” is “eirene”.
This word is used in the New Testament as an equivalent of the Hebrew
word “schalom”, which often occurs in the Old Testament.  Schalom
did not merely refer to “peace” in the political sense, but also,
and primarily, to God’s good will toward men, “God’s peace”. 
Paul’s use of the expression “Peace  (eirene) and safety” is
commonly supposed to be an allusion to Jeremiah’s words about the
Jews of his time at Jer. 5:14 and 8:11 (ASV):

“They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying,
Peace, peace; when there is no peace.”

There was no political peace at that time The Babylonian king
Nebuchadnezzar was involved in a campaign of conquests aimed at
subduing the whole Middle East, and Judah, too, was threatened. 
But the people felt safe, imagining that they had God’s protection,
His “peace”. They expected “no evil” to “come upon” them. (Jer.
23:17) The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 587 B.C.,
therefore came as a shocking surprise.

This too indicates that Paul’s words about “Peace
and Safety” should not be understood as a political proclamation
of world peace, interpreted as the “final signal” of “world


Sign of the Last Days When
by Carl O. Johnsson

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  1. Al
    May 18th, 2013 at 16:12 | #1

    JWs have never said they know when the end will come “as no man knows the day or hour, only the father.” We are told to “stay awake” and watch for signs. JWs are not told when any more than even the angels. So it’s only prudent to watch and stay close to Jehovah and his word by studying. Study means to learn, and none of Jehovah’s Witnesses have learned everything. At least they try. I’ve never met a kinder people and that says a lot in this corrupted world—–

  2. Clara Garcia
    March 21st, 2013 at 13:49 | #2

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  3. bob
    November 28th, 2012 at 21:46 | #3

    Hang in there my brother—-don’t give up

  4. Caryn
    October 30th, 2012 at 11:35 | #4

    If you are passionate about God’s truth, why don’t you preach about your interpretation of God’s truth? Why do you spend all your energy slandering Jehovah’s Witnesses? You’re back-seat drivers…nothing to offer but your opinion when you don’t even know how to drive.

  5. wency
    October 18th, 2012 at 08:31 | #5

    hai iam from namibia, it is true now is the time when the world is saing PEACE AND SECURITY this is the singn that we are living in the last days. know that Jehovar’s anger is next. brothers and sistors lets pull our chidren to the kingdom hall. to find the true blessings, the only key to ever lesting life

    with love

  6. Markus
    September 24th, 2011 at 02:35 | #6

    False prophesies or true prophesies from nursery rymths which is what the Bible is.
    Who cares.

  7. peter
    September 23rd, 2011 at 16:17 | #7

    1 thess 5 v 3
    whenever it is THEY are saying sudden destruction will come upon THEM,if this is supposed to be the world powers then the reason why they declare peace is because THEY have destroyed the real trouble makers,this being all false religion as the bible shows that the governments and the UN will utterley destroy all false religion, remember false religion is destroyed FIRST AND NOT SECOND
    So the destruction comes upon THEM ie world powers and the governments AFTER they wipe out all false religion, so it seems they will cry “AT LAST WE HAVE REMOVED THE OBSTICLE IN THE WAY FALSE RELIGION”now they will say peace and security, but SUDDEN DESTRUCTION BY GOD,this then fulfills this prophecy at 1 thesselonians 5v3

  8. Lainie
    September 1st, 2011 at 08:01 | #8

    Ok…..I thought this site was something to do with JW’s????? very confusing. I think someone is decieving people on a genuine search here…….this site isn’t anything to do with the real WT organisation……more to the point you write a whole load of empty words that have no real meaning for anyone searching the truth.

  9. palila
    June 2nd, 2011 at 21:38 | #9

    what about the UN’s recent change of slogan “peace and security”, is this the sign you’ve been waiting for??
    paulina from santiago, chile

  10. Souljah
    February 20th, 2011 at 16:04 | #10

    Hi om , I tell you this , anyone new coming into being a jw ,and not fully knowing scripture could be stumbled by the likes of crisis of conscience,apostate material so you can understand their reason for saying abstain from looking into such sources .I know all is not perfect but they are as a people transforming into the perfection … Regards Souljah@OM’s Lawyer

  11. February 20th, 2011 at 04:48 | #11

    OM I know what they say about sites like this ,ive read crisis of conscience as well,and it seems to me the error is in those who are presumtous, are all fired up ,bitter,not happy due to some injustice of words/ actions of those imperfect in the truth,so by having sites like this its your way of getting justice .(SO YOU THINK)best you cool down humble yourselves and continue walking with jehovah for he is the judge and avenger and if you have issues take them to jehovah in prayer ,remember we are all being tested by fire,PLEASE TURN AROUND
    Kind Regards
    @OM’s Lawyer

  12. February 18th, 2011 at 14:10 | #12

    carl orlof johson you said To apocalyptic movements the “end” has always been at hand. Without doubt this has been the key to their success. How many people wouldn’t like our world of endless problems to disappear and be replaced by a better one? Any movement that is able to keep such expectations alive has a guaranteed increase.
    So what about Noah when he preached the above what increase did he have =NONE
    What about sodom and gomorrah what inrease there = NONE
    the destruction of jerusalem in 70ce what increase =NONE

  13. February 18th, 2011 at 13:45 | #13

    Brainwashing.there are many types of brainwashing ,that which has a good effect
    and that which has a bad effct,
    we go to school to be taught the truth on countless subjects so that we may get along in life hopefully hold down a job , good brainwashing.We are taught evolution in schools ,yet it is only a theory not fact.bad brainwashing
    what are the results of such a wrong teaching,countless people deny the existance of God.you are probably one of them.

  14. February 18th, 2011 at 13:28 | #14

    @Tirrell Grimsley
    hi tirrel,you are absolutey correct,man due to their imperfection cannot bring about peace as history testifies,but after studying the scriptures with the witnesses it is quite an indepth study ,and you can research however you like ,but suggest you study their material and compare your own research alongside ,i have now been a witness for over 20 years and to this day find no fault with scripture,but only with mans interpretation of it.
    ITS TIME FOR MANKIND TO PUT THEIR TRUST IN GOD AND NOT THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING,WHICH IS A MATTER OF FAITH(NOT BLIND FAITH)but a faith based on reasoning and putting the seeds of doubt to rest… which takes study
    Kind regards

  15. February 18th, 2011 at 09:42 | #15

    hi brother ,i was to just looking for peace and security and stumbled upon this site,

    For centuries man has caused injury to one another and the one thing that is a cure for the nations you deny and incrase the injury for yourselves.

  16. February 18th, 2011 at 09:12 | #16

    Hi Markus,the day of jehovah coming is a definate ,yes some of jehovahs witnesses have took it upon themselves to predict the end which was a definate wrong,but i do not believe it was the organization Speaking of the day for the execution of divine vengeance, Jesus Christ, when a man on earth, said: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32) But do his words mean that God’s servants on earth have no way to determine at what point they are living on the stream of time?
    This could not be the case, as Jehovah is not a God who leaves his people in the dark. The inspired prophet Amos declared: “The Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7) On numerous occasions God made known in advance the precise time for certain events to occur. Abraham’s descendants knew that they were to experience liberation after four hundred years of affliction. (Gen. 15:13-16) Messiah was to appear sixty-nine weeks of years “from the going forth of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.” (Dan. 9:25) In view of such prophecies involving specific time periods, might our day be similarly marked?
    A long-range prophecy of Jesus Christ indicates that this is indeed the case. After foretelling the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple, Jesus Christ said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. . . . And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”—Luke 21:24-27.
    Thus the close of the “appointed times of the nations” was to be followed by the unexpected revelation of Jesus Christ. He will then make manifest his power and glory in a stupendous act against all opposers of his kingly authority. This is evident from Jesus’ later admonition: “Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man.”—Luke 21:36.
    Markus … in the days of noah he preached an end of days there because the earth became filled with violence,it would have turned out favourable for those who listened and acted faithfully and would not have resulted in death ,jesus when on earth in his day mentioned the days of Noah …….ive been reading some of your other comments markus and it seems you might not even believe in the bible,if you havent read or even studied it i can see why you criticise jehovah witnesses and their stand,and i can convinnce you no further by what i say,
    From my studying the bible myself ive found it to be a masterpiece, and what was at fault and in error is mankind whome jehovah wants to re-establish his relationship with ,you must agree mankind is pretty messed up ,and lost its way,countless wars, sickness,injustices,bad government,are you just going to accept it and say thats life survival of the fittest,the scriptures do explain why,just take your time and ask questions and get satisfying answers,as if you were studying science or planetary laws of the universe ,
    Take care

  17. February 18th, 2011 at 04:47 | #17

    hi markus,hope one is ok,but regarding the blood issue God Said abstain from blood,he also said we should not murder. steal ,commit fornication ,adultery,etc
    all those actions are being committed right now ,ask yourself who is promoting them ,do you agree with them?
    i,ll get in touch with you later bit of a rush to go out.
    one love
    and guidance

  18. Markus
    February 17th, 2011 at 18:39 | #18

    Jeeez, you poor brainwashed child.
    Teach good news? Yep how God hates us and is going to kill us at Armageddon (which is over a century late now)and all we have to do to prevent death is join you in preaching nonesence and asking donations for magazines, man this is great news.
    Brotherly love, yep until you need a blood transfusion. There is not one ounce of brotherly love in the true sense of the word in that organization. If you are not one of them there is no love at all. Not even a molecule of love exists in that establishment.


  19. February 17th, 2011 at 15:09 | #19

    Jehovah witnesses only preach and teach good news ,and they are showing brotherly love in helping others to understand the purpose of life ,to teach the truth about the Bible and the tainted name of God to place it in its rightful place the most high,so we only hope people will take the time out to reason with them and iron out any concerns they may have regarding God etc as many schisms have been laid
    and the tongue is like a fire sweeping thru a forest causing much ruin,and how do you douse such a ruinous tongue? which had its beginnining with Satan .jesus answered satan,It is written . so jesus referred to the written word ,as do the witnesses not relying on their own interpretation.
    kind regards

  20. Markus
    August 3rd, 2010 at 09:56 | #20


    It is remarkable that you a mere individual will try to persuade an empire into what you believe to be the truth.
    Firstly despite your good intensions you will never convince a money making cult otherwise by talking to them, at least not on the spur, most of these folk have been both programmed into what to do and also deprogrammed into what to not to listen to.
    The Old Testament was written by old desert mongers, and was read to those that could not read. What results is we have a book written by men claimed to be inspired from God and nobody including yourself, will deny this.

    Secondly if you do study the Bible especially the New Testament you should have noticed it is written, sometimes even centuries after the writings of the OT;
    So that it fulfils all prophesies in the Old Testament, for example the place and manner (virgin birth) of Jesus. This fact (which should be blatantly obvious, even to the apprentice Bible scholar) is ignored.

    The Old Testament plagiarizes many of its most important stories from older Messapatomians writings. Adam and Eve for example, how important is this? Well slightly because we all have to die because of this naive couple, who was left in the care of the best used car salesman while God went on a short vacation.

    Bottom line is Heather, better you find some other book to worship as you will, if you already haven’t, make an absolute fool of yourself trying to tell the world how you interpret the Bible.


  21. Heather
    July 10th, 2010 at 06:52 | #21

    @otto marconi
    Actually my “CRAP” as you put it is directed to Jehovahs witnesses and this blog is about them so what are you ignoramuses doing reading this blog if you do not want to read about them?

    Do me a favour and post your foul language somewhere else where it might be useful’ and let seriously minded people read what is on offer.

  22. Heather
    July 9th, 2010 at 09:31 | #22

    Sorry you have been totally brainwashed and don’t say “you don’t know what you ara talking about” because I certainly do know.I was totally brainwashed too for 38 years and a regular pioneer for many years. I also took the emblems at Jesus last supper but when the “Messiah” made his inspection visit recently, I was shown the truth and it was revealed to me who the man of lawlessness is today. All the true kingdom seed has been removed now from the city (Jehovahs witnesses) and it has been handed over for destruction. (2nd Thes 2)

    I have been trying to help everyone still inside the ORG to see the truth also but most of them are totally blind to the glorious good news about the Christ who is about to come back to claim his bride.

    Jehovahs witnesses are NOT allowed to go onto the internet because the governing body would be revealed as the false prophet, so what are you doing disobeying them. Don’t you believe in the faithful and discreet servant appointed by Jesus?
    Obviously not, you prefer to listen blindly to your governing body instead.

    If you are so certain you have the truth read my web journals and PROVE to me, your’s is right! Don’t forget, Jesus appointed a faithful servant to feed the domestics, NOT A GOVERNING BODY.
    http://www.pitn.net the faithful and discreet servant vs the governing body.
    http://pitn.wordpress.com/ the bible vs the watchtower society.

  23. Heather
    July 9th, 2010 at 05:48 | #23

    @otto marconi
    Thanks Otto, or should that be “otto load of rubish”.

    You may not like what I have to say but at least I am not foul mouthed with it. I can make a point without all the extra side effect words which makes disgusting reading for many. So thanks for your “Otto load of rubish. Keep up the poor work!

  24. Heather
    July 8th, 2010 at 06:13 | #24

    Jehovahs witnesses keep on saying the same old things time and time again about 1st Thes 5v1-3 “peace” but they fail to understand, it has already passed.

    It WAS fulfilled in the 1st century!
    The Roman soldiers encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE ready to attack and destroy the city. But in order to fulfil the prophecy of Jesus. “when you see the city surrounded by armies” (Luke 21v20 then flee out of the city, the Roman soldiers left the area which allowed the Jews to flee the city. The army did not return for 4 years, which caused the people in Jerusalem to fall into a false sense of security and say, “we now have peace” the danger has passed. Because of them declaring “peace” some went back into the city instead of heeding Jesus instructions and “instant destruction fell upon them in 70 CE.

    So this has already been fulfilled.
    The reason why the governing baody cannot see the truth is because they are false shepherds. They even go so far as to say, when a person leaves of the anointed class their place if given to another, BUT this too is wrong. The anointed ones have their names written down in the book of life from the beginning and our God does not change his mind. Luke 10v20 just one example.

    There is a faithful and discreet servant today but they have already been removed from the organisation of Jehovahs witnesses by the Messiah when he made his inspection visit recently and you can read more about them in my journals.
    http://www.pitn.net “the FDS vs the governing body
    and http://pitn.wordpress.com/
    please read them and be enlightened. Thanks.

  25. Jus
    July 7th, 2010 at 22:03 | #25

    Some JWs can be stuck up t*&ts, but near enough every apostate ive spoken too has been a total c*&t!

    No man-made organization can be perfect, or has ever been… this ‘peace & security’ debate is about things in the future so its all guess work for us. One thing is certain, we were created perfectly by a perfect creator and all the petty bickering of whos right and wrong has no bearing on the big picture so get over yourselves.

  26. jason
    December 1st, 2009 at 20:46 | #26

    The JW’s proclaim that the UN is Beast in Revelation but they were members of the NGO of the UN (unbeknown to the rank and file) until only a few years ago when it came out and they had to resign. Check it out….someone told me and I was so angry about the lie that I actually went to the UN’s website and did check it out. The UN actually published a letter because there were so many people inquiring about this fact. Along with being an NGO member they agreed to the creed and agreed to further the cause of the UN. I was raised a JW and have watched the faith change their beliefs over the years but delete anyone that ever differs in any (even small) belief that is voted into “law” by the “Governing Body”. Read the book: Crisis of Conscience and you will see full proof of manipulation of the truth. If you think this is an “apostate” move you should remember that your faith should stand up to scrutiny and you should (according to scripture) refine you faith by fire and constant testing of it by scripture (not someones interpretation of it for you). The book mentioned(by a former member of the Governing Body) explains along with full documentation and proof of all discussion therein is very interesting. Check it out! I have read it several times and was stunned at the inner workings of “my own faith”.

  27. Markus
    November 12th, 2009 at 11:02 | #27

    No problem, actually Matrkus sounds kinda macho Roman.

  28. Jaker
    November 12th, 2009 at 08:31 | #28

    Sorry for butchering your name Markus! Not for lack of grammar skills, just big fingers.

  29. Jaker
    November 12th, 2009 at 08:29 | #29

    Right on Matrkus! I have yet to see a rank and file JW put together a coherent sentence with proper grammar.

  30. Markus
    October 12th, 2009 at 08:15 | #30

    It is not the true religion. There is no true religion. There are only money grabbing liars and frauds out there. Don’t kid yourself, God is a myth as is Jesus. You want proof? How about you show me proof of the JW being the only truth first in understandable proper English grammar.

  31. PETER
    October 11th, 2009 at 09:01 | #31


  32. celia
    January 25th, 2007 at 00:14 | #32

    What do you mean to accomplish by this site? I do not live as Jehovah Witnesses do, but they do no harm, as a matter of fact I’ve only seen peace from them, so what is your end goal? Is something happening that I am not aware of?

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