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Carl Olof Jonsson

(From: Investigator No. 30 1993 May)
 

To apocalyptic movements the “end” has always been at hand. Without doubt this has been the key to their success.  How many people wouldn’t like our world of endless problems to disappear and be replaced by a better one?  Any movement that is able to keep such expectations alive has a guaranteed increase.
 

War and Peace as “Signs of the Times”

Such expectations are created by interpreting different
world events as prophetic ‘signs’, which indicate that the end is
close.  There are always Scriptures which, by the aid of a
little imagination, can be applied to the current world situation.
In times of war Jesus’ words about “nation against nation and kingdom
against kingdom” (Matt. 24:7) are quoted.  And during more
peaceful periods attention is drawn to other biblical statements. 
At such times the Watch Tower Society has commonly referred to the
words of the apostle Paul at 1 Thessalonians 5:3. This text says,
according to the New World Translation:

“Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as
the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by
no means escape.”

The Society interprets this text as follows, according to The
Watchtower
of May 15, 1984,  page 6:

“This prophecy makes it clear that, just prior to the end of
this system of things, ‘peace and security’ will be declared
in some exceptional way, whether by the United Nations or independently
by political and religious leaders.  What will follow that
declaration?  Paul said: ‘Then sudden destruction will
be instantly upon them.’—1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3”

An “Unmistakable Sign”?

Seventy-six years have now passed since 1914, when,
according to the Society, the ‘last generation’ began. That the
present peace efforts have heightened the expectations among Jehovah’s
Witnesses is, therefore, nothing to wonder at.

Thanks to Gorbachev’s ‘glasnost’ policy a new period
of relaxation between the great powers has developed. A number of
protracted wars have ended, the dictatorships in Eastern Europe
are falling, and important steps have been taken in the negotiations
on peace and disarmament.  Will this development result in
a proclamation of “Peace and Security” around the world?  This
is, at least, what Jehovah’s Witnesses are now being led to look
for.

According to the Society, such a proclamation will
be “the signal for God to move into action”, yes, “an unmistakable
signal that world destruction is imminent.” – Awake!, April
8; 1988, page 14;  “True Peace and Security – How Can You Find
It?” (1986), page 85.

But how “unmistakable,” really, is the “signal” the
Witnesses have been told to look for? Most of them are completely
unaware of the fact that the Society repeatedly during its past
history has proclaimed that the period of  “peace and security”
is immediately at hand, or even that this period already has begun. 
Each time, however, the “unmistakable signal” has turned out to
be a mistake!
 

“Peace and Security” in the Period 1899-1914

Towards the end of his life Charles Taze Russell,
the first president of the Watch Tower Society, arrived at the conclusion
that 1 Thessalonians 5:3 was fulfilled in the period 1899-1914. 
When, during a question and answer session at a convention in 1915,
he was asked how this text should be understood, he answered:

“We think that this saying of  ‘peace! peace!’ has been
going on for some years.  The Church systems and everybody
have been claiming, ever since the first Peace Conference at
The Hague (in 1899), that war had to come to an end, that we
were having the time of peace that the Bible tells us about.”

According to Russell’s interpretation, this period of “peace
and security” was cut off in 1914 by the “great tribulation”,
which was to culminate in the predicted world destruction. – See
the book: What Pastor Russell Said (written by L. W. Jones,
a close associate of Pastor Russell), page 529
 

Peace and Security in 1918

Russell’s interpretation turned out to be shortlived.
In 1917, when world developments indicated that the war, instead
of culminating in world destruction, would soon come to an end,
Russell’s interpretation was changed by the new president, J. F.
Rutherford. The war would end, he wrote, and be followed by “a short
period of peace,” when the people would say “Peace” in accordance
with 1 Thess. 5:3.  Soon after that the end would come. – The
Watch Tower
, Jan. l, 1917, pp. 4-5;  Dec.1, 1917, p. 358

 

“Peace and Security” in the 1930s

The “sudden destruction” expected to follow quickly
upon the peace that commenced in 1918 turned out to be long in coming. 
In the middle of the 1930s, therefore, the time was due for a new
application of the ‘peace prophecy’.  Thus, in 1936, Rutherford,
in the booklet Choosing Riches or Ruin?, wrote that they
“now” were in the period when the prophetic words in 1 These. 5:3
would be fulfilled. But prior to this imminent peace period, Rutherford
predicted, the nations on earth, headed by religious leaders, would
silence the preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Thereafter they
would proclaim “Peace and security” worldwide. – See also pages
291-294 of the book Enemies, published in 1937.  On
page 293 of the latter book Rutherford wrote:

“The old ‘whore’ (Roman Catholic Church) sitting upon the back
of the beast may soon be expected to say: ‘Peace and safety;
we have silenced all opponents.’  Then Jehovah’s ‘strange
act’ will begin, and sudden destruction comes upon her ‘as travail
upon a woman with child’.”

“Peace and Security” After 1945

In 1939, however, World War II broke out without having
been preceded by the predicted world peace.  Once again, therefore,
Rutherford had to postpone the peace period. In 1940 he foretold
that the war would soon be interrupted by a brief peace period,
immediately followed by God’s war Armageddon. – The Watchtower
August 15, 1940, page 246 and September 1, 1940, pp. 259, 260, 265,
266.

Early in 1942, in the middle of the war, Rutherford
died.  His successor, N. H. Knorr, stuck to this latest interpretation. 
In the booklet Peace – Can It Last?, published in 1942, Knorr
explained that the peace period soon to come “will be very short-lived”,
as it would quickly be followed by the battle of Armageddon. (Page
26)

But the peace period that began after the end of the
war in 1945 was not to become as “short-lived” as the Watch Tower
Society had predicted!  We are, in fact, still living in that
peace period!   Historians now point out that such a long
era of peace between the great powers is unique in history! 
Historian Robert Jarvis, for instance, wrote in 1988 that,

“Such a long period of peace between the mightiest states is
without precedence.” (International Security, Vol. 13 1988,
p. 80)

And two years earlier K. J. Holsti noted that,

“By historical standards a forty-one year period without an
intra-Great Power war is unprecedented.” (International Studies
Quarterly, 30 December 1986, p. 369)

This peace period has now lasted over 45 years
 

“Peace and Security”  in the 1970s

During the greater part of the peace period after
1945 the relations between the great powers have been strained,
a situation that has often been described as ‘the cold war.’ The
‘peace prophecy’ at 1 Thess. 5:3, therefore, was generally pushed
into the background. But early in the 1970s a relaxation, a detente,
of the strained relations occurred.  This was greeted in the
Watchtower publication as an important “sign”, especially as the
Society for a number of years had been stressing that 6,000 years
since the creation of Adam would expire in 1975.  “Strange
events are taking place in our time,” said the Awake! magazine of
October 8, 1972., on page 4.  This special issue on the theme
“World Peace Coming – Will it Last?” contained a series of articles
discussing the peace efforts.  On page 9 the magazine referred
to the prophecy about “Peace and Security” at 1 Thessalonians 5:3
and stated:

“This prophecy seems to be rapidly nearing its fulfillment.”

Two books, both published in 1973, added more fuel to the expectations.
True Peace and Security – From What Source?  clearly
related the detente in the world to the prophecy at 1 Thess. 5:3. 
And the other book, God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached,
said on page 364:

“The current world events appear to be flowing toward the situation
when men in control of affairs will jubilantly cry out in a
self-congratulating way: ‘Peace and security!’”

Similar statements appeared repeatedly in the Watchtower publications
during the next two years.
 

1986: “The International Year of Peace”

Despite all the predictions and expectations for the
1970s, the decade passed without either world peace or world destruction.
And when also the relaxation and peace talks between the great powers
broke down, The Watchtower finally had to admit that “none
of these efforts fit the description at 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3.”
(The Watchtower, November 15, 1981, p. 14)

But toward the end of 1985 the speculations got a
new start.  On October 24, 1985, the United Nations, on its
40th anniversary, declared 1986 as “the International Year of Peace”.

The Watchtower of October 1, 1985, stated that
Jehovah’s Witnesses “watch the event with interest”, but “cannot
say in advance whether this will prove to be the fulfilment of Paul’s
words quoted above.” (Page 18)  For safety’s sake, however,
The Society dusted off one of the books from 1973, True Peace
and Security—From What Source?
  and published it again
in a new, revised edition during the peace year 1986 (renamed as
True Peace and Security—How Can You Find It?).  Referring to
the United Nations declaration of 1986 as the “Year of Peace”, the
book quoted the prophecy at 1 Thess. 5:3 and stated that:

“this, no doubt, is a step toward the fulfilment of Paul’s
above-quoted words.” (Page 85)

Like all the earlier predictions and expectations, the “peace
year” 1986, too, failed to “signal the imminent apocalypse.” (The
Watchtower, February, 1986, page 6)  The developments in
recent years, however, during our present so-called “glasnost”
era, have kept the expectations alive. At first, though, the statements
in the Watchtower publications were framed somewhat more cautiously.
One hundred years of failed predictions seemed to have left their
marks. In Awake! magazine of December 8, 1989, the question
was asked if the recent surprising world events could be a fulfilment
of 1 Thess. 5:3. The answer given was:

“We cannot say. Nevertheless, it is obvious that today, in
December 1989,  ‘peace and security’ is closer to realization
than before.” (page 24)

The issues of The Watchtower of April 1 and 15, 1990,
both carried special articles on “world peace”, but still one
could notice a palpable caution.  The April 1 issue just
briefly mentioned that 1 Thessalonians 5:3 will be fulfilled “very
soon” (page 9), while the issue of April 15 didn’t mention Paul’s
prophecy at all.

This caution turned out to be short-lived. A few months
later, at the Society’s summer conventions a new book, Mankind’s
Search For God
, was released.  On page 371 of this book
we found the following bold statement

“Already, another outstanding Bible prophecy is approaching
fulfillment before our eyes.”

Then, quoting Paul’s words at 1 Thess. 5:1-3, the Society applies
them to the present world situation by saying it would appear
that the nations that were formerly belligerent and suspicious
of one another are now moving cautiously to-ward a situation in
which they will be able to declare world peace and security. New
expectations are thus, once again, being built up among the Witnesses
worldwide. In view of the past record, it seems safe to predict
that these expectations also will fail.
 

“Timely Warnings to the Reading Public”?

Time and again, for almost a whole century, the Watch
Tower society has proclaimed that Paul’s prophecy about “peace and
security” has been close to fulfillment. Each time these predictions
have gone wrong.  It might be expected that a movement that
has failed so com-pletely in its predictions would finally assume
a more humble attitude and begin to tone down its prophetic claims.
But instead the movement continues, with stubborn presumptuousness,
to speak as if it receives its messages directly from Jehovah himself: 
“We are confident that Jehovah will keep his people well informed”,
said The Watchtower of May 15, 1987 (page 19)  And in
the same magazine, in the issue of September 1, 1987, the following
promise is given on page 22:

“To help you keep on guard, the Watch Tower Society will continue
issuing in its publications timely warnings to the reading public,
so that you will not be caught off guard by the coming pretentious
proclamation  ‘Peace and security’, as devised by the nations
of this old system of things.”

“Timely warnings”?  How much is such a promise worth to
the one who knows that every warning of this kind given in the
past by this Society has been given in the wrong time?  Not
a scrap, of course. Unfortunately, however, millions of unsuspecting
and confiding people will continue to take such promises in sober
earnest and act accordingly.  No one is so misled as the
one who believes it is a grave sin to question those who misled
him. (Matthew 15:14)
 

What Did the Apostle Mean?

Did Paul really predict that the nations, immediately
before the end of the age, would proclaim a world peace?  Did
he say that this would be the “final signal” heralding that 
“sudden destruction” is imminent? (The Watchtower, May 15, 1987,
page 19) The context, and especially the broader context, shows
this conclusion to be totally wrong.

Bible commentators often point out that the apostle
Paul in 1 Thess. 5:1-11 simply gives a summary of Jesus’ own words
about his coming as recorded at Matt. 24:36-44, Luke 17:26-30 and
21:34-36.  Jesus had said that he would come unexpectedly,
like a thief in the night.  It would be as in the days of Noah,
before the Flood, and as in the days of Lot, before the destruction
of Sodom and Gomorrah.  People back then were occupied with
their daily activities and didn’t suspect anything; “they were eating
and drinking, men were selling, they were planning, they were building.”
In the middle of all this the destruction suddenly came upon them. 
Paul briefly sums up Jesus’ words:

“Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write
to you, for you know very well (from Jesus’ own words) that
the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While
people are saying, ‘Peace and safety,’ destruction will come
on them suddenly.” 1 Thessalonians 5.1-3 New International Version

A thief does not announce in advance the “times and dates” of
his coming.  He does not “signal” his coming in any way. 
He comes unexpectedly, surprisingly, when people feel safe and
secure.  It was because of this absence of any “signs” or
“signals” that Jesus urged his disciples to “keep awake” and “ready”
and “sober”. (Matt. 24:42, 44; Luke 21:34, 36)  Paul repeated
these exhortations. (1 Thess. 5:6-8)  To “keep awake” would
not mean to keep looking for any “final signal”, but to “keep
our senses and have on the breastplate of faith and love and as
a helmet the hope of salvation”. (1 Thess. 5:8)  The one
clothed in that armor would not be taken by surprise by the “Lord’s
day”.  He would be ready, whenever it came.

The Watch Tower Society has changed the sense of Paul’s
words to mean exactly the reverse. They have made the predicted
absence of “signs” and “signals”, which Paul expressed with the
words “Peace and safety” (NW: “Peace and security”)  to the 
“final signal”  that world destruction is imminent!

“Peace, Peace; When There Is No Peace”

The Greek word used by Paul of “peace” is “eirene”.
This word is used in the New Testament as an equivalent of the Hebrew
word “schalom”, which often occurs in the Old Testament.  Schalom
did not merely refer to “peace” in the political sense, but also,
and primarily, to God’s good will toward men, “God’s peace”. 
Paul’s use of the expression “Peace  (eirene) and safety” is
commonly supposed to be an allusion to Jeremiah’s words about the
Jews of his time at Jer. 5:14 and 8:11 (ASV):

“They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying,
Peace, peace; when there is no peace.”

There was no political peace at that time The Babylonian king
Nebuchadnezzar was involved in a campaign of conquests aimed at
subduing the whole Middle East, and Judah, too, was threatened. 
But the people felt safe, imagining that they had God’s protection,
His “peace”. They expected “no evil” to “come upon” them. (Jer.
23:17) The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 587 B.C.,
therefore came as a shocking surprise.

This too indicates that Paul’s words about “Peace
and Safety” should not be understood as a political proclamation
of world peace, interpreted as the “final signal” of “world
destruction”.

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  1. otto marconi
    July 10th, 2010 at 11:08 | #1

    @Heather dear heather, in order to give you my angle and define CRAP your CRAP had to give a glance, didn’t I? havong informed myself i could speak and define your CRAP as CRAP as it rightly is.
    I have never used any foul language.
    I just describe in a clinical way the objective reality.
    It’s not my fault if you people believe, eat and worship DUNG.
    so please do not project onto me your filthy drives and impulses.
    Cheers
    PS I’ve just taken a dump into the mouth of the god of the bible and stuffed its throat with my steaming manure… :-) ))

  2. Heather
    July 10th, 2010 at 06:52 | #2

    @otto marconi
    Actually my “CRAP” as you put it is directed to Jehovahs witnesses and this blog is about them so what are you ignoramuses doing reading this blog if you do not want to read about them?

    Do me a favour and post your foul language somewhere else where it might be useful’ and let seriously minded people read what is on offer.

  3. otto marconi
    July 9th, 2010 at 13:21 | #3

    Heather, please keep posting your CRAP.We will keep LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF.

  4. otto marconi
    July 9th, 2010 at 09:39 | #4

    @Heather heather, whatever ya say, you’re still a jehovordure witless at heart. ya speak like them got the same attitude and everything. maybe ya worship another kind of shit but it’s still steaming manure, mainly human, dog and swine’s pluse their respective puke.
    that’s your turdish god and that of your bros the jehovordures.

  5. Heather
    July 9th, 2010 at 09:31 | #5

    @WarningToFellowFriends
    Sorry you have been totally brainwashed and don’t say “you don’t know what you ara talking about” because I certainly do know.I was totally brainwashed too for 38 years and a regular pioneer for many years. I also took the emblems at Jesus last supper but when the “Messiah” made his inspection visit recently, I was shown the truth and it was revealed to me who the man of lawlessness is today. All the true kingdom seed has been removed now from the city (Jehovahs witnesses) and it has been handed over for destruction. (2nd Thes 2)

    I have been trying to help everyone still inside the ORG to see the truth also but most of them are totally blind to the glorious good news about the Christ who is about to come back to claim his bride.

    Jehovahs witnesses are NOT allowed to go onto the internet because the governing body would be revealed as the false prophet, so what are you doing disobeying them. Don’t you believe in the faithful and discreet servant appointed by Jesus?
    Obviously not, you prefer to listen blindly to your governing body instead.

    If you are so certain you have the truth read my web journals and PROVE to me, your’s is right! Don’t forget, Jesus appointed a faithful servant to feed the domestics, NOT A GOVERNING BODY.
    http://www.pitn.net the faithful and discreet servant vs the governing body.
    http://pitn.wordpress.com/ the bible vs the watchtower society.

  6. Heather
    July 9th, 2010 at 05:48 | #6

    @otto marconi
    Thanks Otto, or should that be “otto load of rubish”.

    You may not like what I have to say but at least I am not foul mouthed with it. I can make a point without all the extra side effect words which makes disgusting reading for many. So thanks for your “Otto load of rubish. Keep up the poor work!

  7. otto marconi
    July 8th, 2010 at 10:22 | #7

    @Heather dear heather, you take too many pains trying to preach your version of the truth.
    first of all there is no truth.
    all those you think have the truth are gross frauds.
    secondly let’s give honor and glory to the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger: they only:
    fuck
    screw
    bang
    drill
    gangbang
    the asses mouths and cunts of their slaves! this is a wonderful thing!

    The blood doctrine is fantastic!
    thanks to it thousands of cockroaches and sewer rats have been eliminated with the endorsement of much of the western world governemnts, who more enlightened than us evidently allow this mass murder to take place with their approval.
    the governemnts go even further:
    they give such scum charity status so that the Towers of All Terrorist have become richer and more powerful than many of the evil and war-mongers nations of this crappy world.
    the jehovordures are
    terrorists?
    shit eaters?
    child corpse devourers?
    mass murderers?
    planetary carnage and oceans of blood advocates?
    devil worshipers?
    satanists?
    child rapists?
    graveyard ravishers?

    YES! they are all this shit. above all they worship je-SHIT-hovah.
    but our governemnts allow them to exist. we all likck their asses and eat their shit via the taxes we pay to support such hideous underworld.
    there’s nothing we can do baby.
    the world is shit and no well maning quixotic enterpise will improve it.
    but the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger are great: no one like ‘em fucks, crushes, degrades, debases, kills the jehovordure better than ‘em.
    let them do this sacred job.
    they are geniouses.

  8. Heather
    July 8th, 2010 at 06:13 | #8

    Jehovahs witnesses keep on saying the same old things time and time again about 1st Thes 5v1-3 “peace” but they fail to understand, it has already passed.

    It WAS fulfilled in the 1st century!
    The Roman soldiers encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE ready to attack and destroy the city. But in order to fulfil the prophecy of Jesus. “when you see the city surrounded by armies” (Luke 21v20 then flee out of the city, the Roman soldiers left the area which allowed the Jews to flee the city. The army did not return for 4 years, which caused the people in Jerusalem to fall into a false sense of security and say, “we now have peace” the danger has passed. Because of them declaring “peace” some went back into the city instead of heeding Jesus instructions and “instant destruction fell upon them in 70 CE.

    So this has already been fulfilled.
    The reason why the governing baody cannot see the truth is because they are false shepherds. They even go so far as to say, when a person leaves of the anointed class their place if given to another, BUT this too is wrong. The anointed ones have their names written down in the book of life from the beginning and our God does not change his mind. Luke 10v20 just one example.

    There is a faithful and discreet servant today but they have already been removed from the organisation of Jehovahs witnesses by the Messiah when he made his inspection visit recently and you can read more about them in my journals.
    http://www.pitn.net “the FDS vs the governing body
    and http://pitn.wordpress.com/
    please read them and be enlightened. Thanks.

  9. Jus
    July 7th, 2010 at 22:03 | #9

    Some JWs can be stuck up t*&ts, but near enough every apostate ive spoken too has been a total c*&t!

    No man-made organization can be perfect, or has ever been… this ‘peace & security’ debate is about things in the future so its all guess work for us. One thing is certain, we were created perfectly by a perfect creator and all the petty bickering of whos right and wrong has no bearing on the big picture so get over yourselves.

  10. otto marconi
    April 13th, 2010 at 16:55 | #10

    @WarningToFellowFriends Dear Warning, can you please tell me what exactly ids the position, the official position of Jehovah’s Organization with regard to reading, participating AND WRITING on apostate website like this one?
    Thank a lot for your kind answer.

    PS all you say is write and I hope more and more will join the watchtower.

  11. WarningToFellowFriends
    April 13th, 2010 at 11:19 | #11

    First off who really is the one deceiving here? Let us consider the title of this website, “watchtower information service”. First off that is pretending to be a part of the organization, and therein the author of this website is already lying to you. With that said, I urge fellow witnesses or anyone to not read this apostate material. I came across this searching for peace and security. Well you know what everyone throughout history has been judged accordingly by Jehovah. Do we not see the prophecies being fulfilled these days? Think of it my friends, the pestilences, the war reports, the earthquakes. Tell me you have not noticed these earthquakes, I sure have. Now take a look at this and tell me again what you think http://www.thehorizonproject.com/earthquakes.cfm. If you are a witness or are studying look into the information, the truthful information. Do research using watchtower library or even approach a friend at the kingdom hall. What about the attack on churches recently? The church of scientology has been under attack recently. What about the catholic church and the sexual abuse scandals. The pope is under attack as well, oh and did you know the pope was a member of the “Hitler youth”. He said that he was “forced” to be apart of it. Now tell me one Jehovah’s witness, a true witness that has been “forced” to join a war. I know several thousand have been in jail for declining the obligation to go to war based on the governments requirements. Do me a favor and read this article of witnesses in Haiti http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/poverty/2010/3/4/34997/Jehovahs-Witnesses-relief-efforts-in-Haiti-highlight-international-unity. This article was not published by witnesses it was published by a new reporter. Now as the scriptures say, “this generation will by no means pass away”. The time is coming of this systems end and it is closer then ever. Take an honest look at the world as a whole and tell me everything is okay and humans will make due.(Mathew 23:34) I am asking you to do this not because it in any way give me any sort of gain, but because I care for human life which Jehovah provided. Also because we are commanded in Mathew 28:19,20 “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Now I also encourage fellow witnesses to not bicker with anyone for any reason. This is not what Jehovah has commanded us. He has commanded us to keep searching out the deserving ones. It is of no benefit to argue with someone, Jehovah will have the final say I guarantee you. Like in the days of Noah they were eating and drinking and being given into marriage, so these times will be as well the scriptures state. So the cold hearted ones say and do what they want to do, but as for you, you are responsible to walk in the name of Jehovah. I am with you and so are millions of brothers and sisters around the world. Do not let yourself be engaged in reading apostate material, it is of no benefit. You can find out the truth as being true by intense research and prayer to Jehovah asking him to show you that this is his organization. I hope this was of benefit to you, keep on proving yourself.

    -A Witness of Jehovah

  12. jason
    December 1st, 2009 at 20:46 | #12

    The JW’s proclaim that the UN is Beast in Revelation but they were members of the NGO of the UN (unbeknown to the rank and file) until only a few years ago when it came out and they had to resign. Check it out….someone told me and I was so angry about the lie that I actually went to the UN’s website and did check it out. The UN actually published a letter because there were so many people inquiring about this fact. Along with being an NGO member they agreed to the creed and agreed to further the cause of the UN. I was raised a JW and have watched the faith change their beliefs over the years but delete anyone that ever differs in any (even small) belief that is voted into “law” by the “Governing Body”. Read the book: Crisis of Conscience and you will see full proof of manipulation of the truth. If you think this is an “apostate” move you should remember that your faith should stand up to scrutiny and you should (according to scripture) refine you faith by fire and constant testing of it by scripture (not someones interpretation of it for you). The book mentioned(by a former member of the Governing Body) explains along with full documentation and proof of all discussion therein is very interesting. Check it out! I have read it several times and was stunned at the inner workings of “my own faith”.

  13. Markus
    November 12th, 2009 at 11:02 | #13

    @Jaker
    No problem, actually Matrkus sounds kinda macho Roman.
    Cheers.

  14. Jaker
    November 12th, 2009 at 08:31 | #14

    Sorry for butchering your name Markus! Not for lack of grammar skills, just big fingers.

  15. Jaker
    November 12th, 2009 at 08:29 | #15

    @Markus
    Right on Matrkus! I have yet to see a rank and file JW put together a coherent sentence with proper grammar.

  16. Markus
    October 12th, 2009 at 08:15 | #16

    @PETER
    It is not the true religion. There is no true religion. There are only money grabbing liars and frauds out there. Don’t kid yourself, God is a myth as is Jesus. You want proof? How about you show me proof of the JW being the only truth first in understandable proper English grammar.
    Cheers,
    Markus

  17. PETER
    October 11th, 2009 at 09:01 | #17

    DEAR SIR OR MADAM…BE CAREFUL.DONT ATTACK JEHOVAHS WITNESSES IN ANT WAY,BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF KNOW THAT THIS IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION…OR YOU MAY END UP THE SAME WAY AS MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE PERSECUTED THEM IN THE PAST.BELIEVE IT,GOD IS WITH THEM!

  18. September 11th, 2009 at 01:35 | #18

    There will never be peace as long as men carry the burdens of imperfection.
    Technology has grown so much and continues. People are able to make bombs from items at there local hardware stores. Whats next? Atomic bombs on kitchen tables? “Hey honey pass me the iranium next to the butter rolls.” Men alone cannot bring about the changes that everyone needs. They can only try. History tells us this. And the smarter they become the dumber also. For what good is a mans life if he can’t live to make the right choices? Can someone get me a copy of Peace and Security book by Jehovahs Witnesses?

  19. celia
    January 25th, 2007 at 00:14 | #19

    What do you mean to accomplish by this site? I do not live as Jehovah Witnesses do, but they do no harm, as a matter of fact I’ve only seen peace from them, so what is your end goal? Is something happening that I am not aware of?

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