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		<title>By: otto marconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto marconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1227&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Markus  &lt;/a&gt; Makus you&#039;re always right, but braindead people will never understand logic. and after all i don&#039;t mind at all..eh eh eh eh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1227" rel="nofollow">@Markus  </a> Makus you&#8217;re always right, but braindead people will never understand logic. and after all i don&#8217;t mind at all..eh eh eh eh</p>
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		<title>By: bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To : 256630.

Well here we have it again folks, blame Satan, the poor scapegoat, for without which the existence of, most religions would fall apart. No one would even consider blaming Biblegod, who after all had the insight to create Satan and evil, by his own admission. &quot;I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil I the LORD do all these things.&quot; (Isaiah 45:7)


Here are some actions of the Deity whose ass you kiss:
Though he said &quot;Thou shalt not kill,&quot; he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass exterminations (How many infants and children were killed by God in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? How many infants and children were killed by God during the &quot;Great&quot; flood?); punishing offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5); ordering pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16); demanding animal and human blood to appease his angry vanity; is partial to one race of people; judges women to be inferior to men; is a sadist who created a hell to torture unbelievers; discriminated against the handicapped (Lev. 21:18-23); ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18, Deut. 21:11-14); sent bears to devour 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24); punished people with snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and infanticide; and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10).

Not bad for a squeaky clean god eh, and you think Satan is the evil one. How many young children died?  They must die you will say because they inherit their fathers sin, just as we inherited Adam&#039;s original sin. Now read Deuteronomy 24:16 where the contrary is taught.

You Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses make me sick. You believe the NWT is the most accurate version of the Bible because you are told it is, and if you dare to do any research to prove or disprove this you will be counselled
against using your own brain. You sorry lot are so brainwashed you do not even realise it, you are making your precious WTBT society rich and you believe you are doing good, as long as you do not start thinking for yourself you will be held in good standing.

Your society has come up with many dates referring to the end of the world, your excuse is &quot;we were mistaken, but at least we are trying or how about the &#039;new light&#039; theory&quot;, so how come you do not re-imberse the faithful who sold their homes, who allowed their children to die, for refusing inoculations, who refused pensions and are now forced to eat dog food?
Here is a scripture you can put in your pipe and smoke:
&quot;However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak... that prophet must die.   ...How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken? When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak&quot;. Deuteronomy 18: 20-22, taken from your own translation. (Note the must die part).

Why don&#039;t you study the Bible not from within but use external sources it is so easy with the internet nowadays? Why don&#039;t you one day batten down the hatches so no eves dropping brother or sister can report you; and do some real studying.
You will find amazing things such as the fables of Adam and Eve, and the great deluge not being unique to the Bible, in fact you will find earlier versions, not
exactly the same but similar enough to realize that plagiarism is indeed present.
Do a Google on the historical existence of Jesus, you will find to your dismay a remarkable absence of his mention at all, truly incredible it has to be said, for someone who had such a following; the miniscule amount there is, has clear evidence of original historical manuscripts being forged, probably by the early Catholic clergy, who like you do not have a religion without Jesus; and no religion = no money.

Read the articles on this site, you will find all kinds of interesting articles like how Charles T. Russell used the pyramids to calculate the end happening in 1874, later revised to 1914. If you think these articles are biased or false in any way I assure you they are not, but don&#039;t take my word for it get off your ass and do your own research.

Please do not come on this site and tell me how to live my life when you do not even have a clue what life is.

You are taught not to think but how to think, the young third Reich Hitler youths had the same indoctrination.
Many of us on this site are ex JW, and the main reason for this is we decided to study the Bible as opposed to be told what to study in the Bible.

Cheers,
Markus</description>
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<p>Well here we have it again folks, blame Satan, the poor scapegoat, for without which the existence of, most religions would fall apart. No one would even consider blaming Biblegod, who after all had the insight to create Satan and evil, by his own admission. &#8220;I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil I the LORD do all these things.&#8221; (Isaiah 45:7)</p>
<p>Here are some actions of the Deity whose ass you kiss:<br />
Though he said &#8220;Thou shalt not kill,&#8221; he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass exterminations (How many infants and children were killed by God in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? How many infants and children were killed by God during the &#8220;Great&#8221; flood?); punishing offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5); ordering pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16); demanding animal and human blood to appease his angry vanity; is partial to one race of people; judges women to be inferior to men; is a sadist who created a hell to torture unbelievers; discriminated against the handicapped (Lev. 21:18-23); ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18, Deut. 21:11-14); sent bears to devour 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24); punished people with snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and infanticide; and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10).</p>
<p>Not bad for a squeaky clean god eh, and you think Satan is the evil one. How many young children died?  They must die you will say because they inherit their fathers sin, just as we inherited Adam&#8217;s original sin. Now read Deuteronomy 24:16 where the contrary is taught.</p>
<p>You Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses make me sick. You believe the NWT is the most accurate version of the Bible because you are told it is, and if you dare to do any research to prove or disprove this you will be counselled<br />
against using your own brain. You sorry lot are so brainwashed you do not even realise it, you are making your precious WTBT society rich and you believe you are doing good, as long as you do not start thinking for yourself you will be held in good standing.</p>
<p>Your society has come up with many dates referring to the end of the world, your excuse is &#8220;we were mistaken, but at least we are trying or how about the &#8216;new light&#8217; theory&#8221;, so how come you do not re-imberse the faithful who sold their homes, who allowed their children to die, for refusing inoculations, who refused pensions and are now forced to eat dog food?<br />
Here is a scripture you can put in your pipe and smoke:<br />
&#8220;However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak&#8230; that prophet must die.   &#8230;How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken? When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak&#8221;. Deuteronomy 18: 20-22, taken from your own translation. (Note the must die part).</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you study the Bible not from within but use external sources it is so easy with the internet nowadays? Why don&#8217;t you one day batten down the hatches so no eves dropping brother or sister can report you; and do some real studying.<br />
You will find amazing things such as the fables of Adam and Eve, and the great deluge not being unique to the Bible, in fact you will find earlier versions, not<br />
exactly the same but similar enough to realize that plagiarism is indeed present.<br />
Do a Google on the historical existence of Jesus, you will find to your dismay a remarkable absence of his mention at all, truly incredible it has to be said, for someone who had such a following; the miniscule amount there is, has clear evidence of original historical manuscripts being forged, probably by the early Catholic clergy, who like you do not have a religion without Jesus; and no religion = no money.</p>
<p>Read the articles on this site, you will find all kinds of interesting articles like how Charles T. Russell used the pyramids to calculate the end happening in 1874, later revised to 1914. If you think these articles are biased or false in any way I assure you they are not, but don&#8217;t take my word for it get off your ass and do your own research.</p>
<p>Please do not come on this site and tell me how to live my life when you do not even have a clue what life is.</p>
<p>You are taught not to think but how to think, the young third Reich Hitler youths had the same indoctrination.<br />
Many of us on this site are ex JW, and the main reason for this is we decided to study the Bible as opposed to be told what to study in the Bible.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Markus</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reap What Sow&quot;

Perhaps if you read your Bible and blamed the right dupe for all the starving kids in Sudan on the &quot;rider of the pale faced horse or black horse in Revelation&quot;, then you may have blamed the right dupe. By the way the White Horse is riden by Christ Jesus he&#039;s going to round up those jupe&#039;s soon along with all those slandering his name. Happy hunting the one on the White horse in removing the reproach form God&#039;s name for being blamed unjustly! It is not time for Christ to act but when he does it will be swift!

Satan the adversery is responsible for those suffering in all countries Christ is going to put an end to the root when he locks the old dragan in the abbs!

He&#039;s then going to administer the blessings to all those that have been illtreated against God&#039;s Commands and hold those responsibile accountable!

It is fine if in the meantime someone may be in a position to give relief but according to each ones means. It is also the choice of all persons how they spend their own monies and not to judge your fellow man. For instance one person may want to expend their money on &quot;extensive internet Usage&quot; but fail to spend that portion upon giving to those needy children in Sudan, true?

The other may likewise expend a portion upon the Internet and also a portion elswhere like the first person also may expend a further portion of his money elsewhere. Does that mean that the first may critisis the second? Never may that happen because that is a form of coveting roundly condemned in God&#039;s Word. ALso in modern terms rights of each one to decide for ones self and if you personally have a desire to give more &quot;who is holding you back&quot;. Remeber the wealthy nations have enough food to feed the starving but they hold back so why judge your neighbour would you want them to judge you surley not so if you want to give, give silently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reap What Sow&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps if you read your Bible and blamed the right dupe for all the starving kids in Sudan on the &#8220;rider of the pale faced horse or black horse in Revelation&#8221;, then you may have blamed the right dupe. By the way the White Horse is riden by Christ Jesus he&#8217;s going to round up those jupe&#8217;s soon along with all those slandering his name. Happy hunting the one on the White horse in removing the reproach form God&#8217;s name for being blamed unjustly! It is not time for Christ to act but when he does it will be swift!</p>
<p>Satan the adversery is responsible for those suffering in all countries Christ is going to put an end to the root when he locks the old dragan in the abbs!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s then going to administer the blessings to all those that have been illtreated against God&#8217;s Commands and hold those responsibile accountable!</p>
<p>It is fine if in the meantime someone may be in a position to give relief but according to each ones means. It is also the choice of all persons how they spend their own monies and not to judge your fellow man. For instance one person may want to expend their money on &#8220;extensive internet Usage&#8221; but fail to spend that portion upon giving to those needy children in Sudan, true?</p>
<p>The other may likewise expend a portion upon the Internet and also a portion elswhere like the first person also may expend a further portion of his money elsewhere. Does that mean that the first may critisis the second? Never may that happen because that is a form of coveting roundly condemned in God&#8217;s Word. ALso in modern terms rights of each one to decide for ones self and if you personally have a desire to give more &#8220;who is holding you back&#8221;. Remeber the wealthy nations have enough food to feed the starving but they hold back so why judge your neighbour would you want them to judge you surley not so if you want to give, give silently!</p>
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		<title>By: Servant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?The web sight appears to make issue of the fact Jehovah’s Witnesses have been highlighting “to keep on the watch...prove yourself ready” in harmony with the scripture in Matthew 24 and certain changed viewpoints over the years as some how demonstrating that Jehovah’s Witnesses in those matters are at fault for attempting to put meaning into scripture at those times when those interpretations were given. It also seems a “spin from that is taken to disbelieve to not keep on the watch and prove yourself ready” is the motive for ridiculer’s.

Granted their has been error’s as pointed out but in all fairness a critical thinker could easily state well putting yourself back in time to say pre-1900 and then see if you would have predicted “1914 as a marked year” for world shattering events to have taken place?

It if possible to re-enact would find those most vocal attempting to make fun of such predictions as erroneously inapt at doing any better as a most probable outcome. What need not be lost sight of was the early Bible students could see from the dating scriptures and Jesus sign of his presence and the conclusion of this system of things prophecy at Luke 12 that it from the “world at that time and from their concept of time appeared to be the beginning of the end and that things once commenced would follow each other in quick succession.

So the year was right 1914 “for world catastrophic events to occur” but their expectations of what would unfold at that time were misleading because Jesus said that “it would be the beginning of pains of distress” not the end of those pains see Matthew 24 verse 8 “not the finish”. At that time they did not have Almighty God’s entire view but to reverse any critics it “did prove a time to be ready” at least for the commencement of the sign proving they were receptive to what the Bible had at that time allowed them to see along with other Adventist Bible followers all at that time were watching and attempting to interpret the meaning.

No one can dispute the commencement date was correct given the fact it corresponds correctly with the outbreak of “World War 1&quot;, of “nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom” verse 7. Further in response that “Jehovah’s Witnesses will predict the end of this world until the end of this world” is “spot on”. The reason is simply in that prophecy Jesus did say that “this generation will not pass away until all these things occur” highlights a few things. One that by stating a “generation will not pass away until all these things occur” is implying a long period of time would pass from the sign of Christ’s presence in 1914 until his return in Kingdom Glory and Power to reform the entire Earth under God’s Kingdom Rule.

Secondly the scripture in Peter outlined in reference to this event of Divine Intervention that a “day with Jehovah is a thousand years” just merely to emphasis Jehovah God’s view of time but then narrow the application with contextual words indicating a “time period would pass” by linking that with “as some think he is slow” hence harmonizing with Jesus “generation time period” that a long time would pass but not beyond the generation that saw events of 1914 symbolically hence the continued emphasis on “proving yourself ready is paramount”.

Whilst the generation that saw 1914 is very nearly passed away heightens the urgency! By proving yourself ready to the time prophecy is vital!

Each year that goes by must be getting very close and even in that prophecy at Matthew 24 verse 36 it clearly states that only God himself only no the actual date of intervention. So hence any ill directed attack against Witnesses is highlighting narrow mindedness and not sighting those scriptures that those &quot;other predictions&quot; are human error not God’s and must be treated as such and correctly so the Witnesses are constantly reminded to “prove yourself ready”. Which person is faultless judge others?

Hence the point is made the “Bible is not contradictory” even if some may speculate on dates. Rember only God knows &quot;day and hour&quot;, of intervention.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not immune from getting some things wrong needing re-view but as have shown they have consistently maintained that 1914 was a “marked year” proven correct. Hence &quot;time of End closer now&quot;.

The above only assists others to see the “key prophecies of God’s will are imitate to be for- filled in our generation”. The question is how many readers want to be their when God Intervenes in man’s affairs and takes over rulership of the Earth of Mankind on his terms not ours? First all critics have a bleak future to attempt to talk back to God the life breath giver.

Make no mistake he does not need us but we need him to forgive our sins through Christ. We also need to be doing what God Requires of us on arrival. By exercising &quot;faith and doing God&#039;s will&quot; may gain approval by God.

True in the event that the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses may have any case to answer then Jehovah God will hold them accountable. Please do not loss sight of the accountability of all of mankind because if “judgement starts with the house of God” Bethel Jehovah’s Witnesses Headquarters means “house of God” where will all these readers get a showing?

Tread carefully in critizing Jehovah’s Witnesses take the “mirror out and lock at yourself”?  By doing an Act of kindness to Christ Brothers is rewarded according to Matthew 25 verse 37-45 in event some are so?

Theirs an “old proverb” “he that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall”!  Also if &quot;errors is what God looks at who could stand&quot;?

In Bible book of Peter it outlined that “Ridiculars would come Ridiculing from their own desires stating where is his presence mocking the message bearer in effect”, hence has not the article given fertile fuel for such ‘Ridicule’ but do not loss sight that “such Ridicule may” actually “be for filling God’s Word” by those whom choose to Ridicule Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The scripture states &quot;he that does the will of God remains forever&quot; and added to this as pointed out above &quot;Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses will continue to predict end until it does come&quot; , so &quot;prove yourself ready for that end&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?The web sight appears to make issue of the fact Jehovah’s Witnesses have been highlighting “to keep on the watch&#8230;prove yourself ready” in harmony with the scripture in Matthew 24 and certain changed viewpoints over the years as some how demonstrating that Jehovah’s Witnesses in those matters are at fault for attempting to put meaning into scripture at those times when those interpretations were given. It also seems a “spin from that is taken to disbelieve to not keep on the watch and prove yourself ready” is the motive for ridiculer’s.</p>
<p>Granted their has been error’s as pointed out but in all fairness a critical thinker could easily state well putting yourself back in time to say pre-1900 and then see if you would have predicted “1914 as a marked year” for world shattering events to have taken place?</p>
<p>It if possible to re-enact would find those most vocal attempting to make fun of such predictions as erroneously inapt at doing any better as a most probable outcome. What need not be lost sight of was the early Bible students could see from the dating scriptures and Jesus sign of his presence and the conclusion of this system of things prophecy at Luke 12 that it from the “world at that time and from their concept of time appeared to be the beginning of the end and that things once commenced would follow each other in quick succession.</p>
<p>So the year was right 1914 “for world catastrophic events to occur” but their expectations of what would unfold at that time were misleading because Jesus said that “it would be the beginning of pains of distress” not the end of those pains see Matthew 24 verse 8 “not the finish”. At that time they did not have Almighty God’s entire view but to reverse any critics it “did prove a time to be ready” at least for the commencement of the sign proving they were receptive to what the Bible had at that time allowed them to see along with other Adventist Bible followers all at that time were watching and attempting to interpret the meaning.</p>
<p>No one can dispute the commencement date was correct given the fact it corresponds correctly with the outbreak of “World War 1&#8243;, of “nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom” verse 7. Further in response that “Jehovah’s Witnesses will predict the end of this world until the end of this world” is “spot on”. The reason is simply in that prophecy Jesus did say that “this generation will not pass away until all these things occur” highlights a few things. One that by stating a “generation will not pass away until all these things occur” is implying a long period of time would pass from the sign of Christ’s presence in 1914 until his return in Kingdom Glory and Power to reform the entire Earth under God’s Kingdom Rule.</p>
<p>Secondly the scripture in Peter outlined in reference to this event of Divine Intervention that a “day with Jehovah is a thousand years” just merely to emphasis Jehovah God’s view of time but then narrow the application with contextual words indicating a “time period would pass” by linking that with “as some think he is slow” hence harmonizing with Jesus “generation time period” that a long time would pass but not beyond the generation that saw events of 1914 symbolically hence the continued emphasis on “proving yourself ready is paramount”.</p>
<p>Whilst the generation that saw 1914 is very nearly passed away heightens the urgency! By proving yourself ready to the time prophecy is vital!</p>
<p>Each year that goes by must be getting very close and even in that prophecy at Matthew 24 verse 36 it clearly states that only God himself only no the actual date of intervention. So hence any ill directed attack against Witnesses is highlighting narrow mindedness and not sighting those scriptures that those &#8220;other predictions&#8221; are human error not God’s and must be treated as such and correctly so the Witnesses are constantly reminded to “prove yourself ready”. Which person is faultless judge others?</p>
<p>Hence the point is made the “Bible is not contradictory” even if some may speculate on dates. Rember only God knows &#8220;day and hour&#8221;, of intervention.</p>
<p>Jehovah’s Witnesses are not immune from getting some things wrong needing re-view but as have shown they have consistently maintained that 1914 was a “marked year” proven correct. Hence &#8220;time of End closer now&#8221;.</p>
<p>The above only assists others to see the “key prophecies of God’s will are imitate to be for- filled in our generation”. The question is how many readers want to be their when God Intervenes in man’s affairs and takes over rulership of the Earth of Mankind on his terms not ours? First all critics have a bleak future to attempt to talk back to God the life breath giver.</p>
<p>Make no mistake he does not need us but we need him to forgive our sins through Christ. We also need to be doing what God Requires of us on arrival. By exercising &#8220;faith and doing God&#8217;s will&#8221; may gain approval by God.</p>
<p>True in the event that the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses may have any case to answer then Jehovah God will hold them accountable. Please do not loss sight of the accountability of all of mankind because if “judgement starts with the house of God” Bethel Jehovah’s Witnesses Headquarters means “house of God” where will all these readers get a showing?</p>
<p>Tread carefully in critizing Jehovah’s Witnesses take the “mirror out and lock at yourself”?  By doing an Act of kindness to Christ Brothers is rewarded according to Matthew 25 verse 37-45 in event some are so?</p>
<p>Theirs an “old proverb” “he that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall”!  Also if &#8220;errors is what God looks at who could stand&#8221;?</p>
<p>In Bible book of Peter it outlined that “Ridiculars would come Ridiculing from their own desires stating where is his presence mocking the message bearer in effect”, hence has not the article given fertile fuel for such ‘Ridicule’ but do not loss sight that “such Ridicule may” actually “be for filling God’s Word” by those whom choose to Ridicule Jehovah’s Witnesses.</p>
<p>The scripture states &#8220;he that does the will of God remains forever&#8221; and added to this as pointed out above &#8220;Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses will continue to predict end until it does come&#8221; , so &#8220;prove yourself ready for that end&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?Your comment seems to imply that certain ones &quot;cannot make sense of God&#039;s Word&quot;. You earlier quoted seemingly from &quot;God&#039;s Word&quot; when you said  &quot;why don&#039;t you climb down from the cross&quot; .

A man of God does not have to argue, merely reprove from scripture. Hence as it seems likely that you do not use Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses Bible &quot;The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures&quot;, will for your benefit quote an interesting scripture in relation to your comment implying Jesus was hung upon a &quot;Cross&quot;. According to the King James Version authorized to be read in Churches the scripture at Acts 5 verse 30 sheds  &quot;light&quot;. It states &quot;The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree&quot;. You note Jesus was hanged upon a &quot;TREE&quot; rather than a &quot;Cross&quot;.

The historic record an archeology prove that in the first century time when Christ was put to death supports that they hung people of &quot;Stakes or single pole tree trunks&quot; not two pieces of wood at angles to one another. That is why Watchtower magazines portray Jesus as hanging upon a single &quot;Tree&quot; or &quot;Stake&quot;. Further the historians in checking the Original King James Bible have found in the order of 20,000 mistakes in translation from the original text. However this does not impede a Bible student that cross-references and proof test reads the scriptures in getting the &quot;real meaning&quot;. I raise this point merely as &quot;You finished your posting by stating implying Witnesses &quot;that they have read much but understand nothing&quot;.

Hence respectfully perhaps it is yourself &quot;that has read much but understand [dare I say it] understand nothing&quot;. Just for the record the King James Bible in most other places has the word &quot;Cross&quot; in other passages however the original manuscripts and archeology findings link &quot;Crosses to pagans and especially to the earlier kingdom of &quot;Babylon&quot; in Iraq.

That is why Revelation speaking in symbolic language chapter 17 referring to the &quot;Harlot&quot; which symbolically means religion unfaithful to God&#039;s Word by &quot;mixing religion with attempting to influence politics&quot; depicts the &quot;world empire of false religions that have have undertones of pagan symbolism in their forms of worship&quot;. Hence &quot;Crosses in Churches&quot; assist those understanding their Bibles to identify those false religions a part of Babylon.

It is also noted that &quot;those religions and their adherents&quot; attempt to &quot;symbolically kill those bearing witnesses to Jesus&quot; see Revelation 17 verse 6. Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses do bear witness to Jesus less the &quot;Crosses&quot;. Perhaps this may assist you to retract your unfounded view in relation to &quot;whom may understand much&quot; to lift &quot;yourself from understanding little,&quot; to &quot;something.&quot; Your words seem to be symbolic attack against witnesses.

Perhaps rather than focus on Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses you may care to see that Revelation 18:4 is attempting to encourage yourself to get out of &quot;Babylon the Great&quot; representing the world empire of these false religions linking to pagan symbolism and seek assistance from some courteous Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses when they next call they will be more than happy to assist you.

The Bible says the &quot;one being reproved does not like the one reproving them&quot; in Proverbs but also states &quot;the one that is wise will listen to counsel&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?Your comment seems to imply that certain ones &#8220;cannot make sense of God&#8217;s Word&#8221;. You earlier quoted seemingly from &#8220;God&#8217;s Word&#8221; when you said  &#8220;why don&#8217;t you climb down from the cross&#8221; .</p>
<p>A man of God does not have to argue, merely reprove from scripture. Hence as it seems likely that you do not use Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses Bible &#8220;The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures&#8221;, will for your benefit quote an interesting scripture in relation to your comment implying Jesus was hung upon a &#8220;Cross&#8221;. According to the King James Version authorized to be read in Churches the scripture at Acts 5 verse 30 sheds  &#8220;light&#8221;. It states &#8220;The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree&#8221;. You note Jesus was hanged upon a &#8220;TREE&#8221; rather than a &#8220;Cross&#8221;.</p>
<p>The historic record an archeology prove that in the first century time when Christ was put to death supports that they hung people of &#8220;Stakes or single pole tree trunks&#8221; not two pieces of wood at angles to one another. That is why Watchtower magazines portray Jesus as hanging upon a single &#8220;Tree&#8221; or &#8220;Stake&#8221;. Further the historians in checking the Original King James Bible have found in the order of 20,000 mistakes in translation from the original text. However this does not impede a Bible student that cross-references and proof test reads the scriptures in getting the &#8220;real meaning&#8221;. I raise this point merely as &#8220;You finished your posting by stating implying Witnesses &#8220;that they have read much but understand nothing&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hence respectfully perhaps it is yourself &#8220;that has read much but understand [dare I say it] understand nothing&#8221;. Just for the record the King James Bible in most other places has the word &#8220;Cross&#8221; in other passages however the original manuscripts and archeology findings link &#8220;Crosses to pagans and especially to the earlier kingdom of &#8220;Babylon&#8221; in Iraq.</p>
<p>That is why Revelation speaking in symbolic language chapter 17 referring to the &#8220;Harlot&#8221; which symbolically means religion unfaithful to God&#8217;s Word by &#8220;mixing religion with attempting to influence politics&#8221; depicts the &#8220;world empire of false religions that have have undertones of pagan symbolism in their forms of worship&#8221;. Hence &#8220;Crosses in Churches&#8221; assist those understanding their Bibles to identify those false religions a part of Babylon.</p>
<p>It is also noted that &#8220;those religions and their adherents&#8221; attempt to &#8220;symbolically kill those bearing witnesses to Jesus&#8221; see Revelation 17 verse 6. Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses do bear witness to Jesus less the &#8220;Crosses&#8221;. Perhaps this may assist you to retract your unfounded view in relation to &#8220;whom may understand much&#8221; to lift &#8220;yourself from understanding little,&#8221; to &#8220;something.&#8221; Your words seem to be symbolic attack against witnesses.</p>
<p>Perhaps rather than focus on Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses you may care to see that Revelation 18:4 is attempting to encourage yourself to get out of &#8220;Babylon the Great&#8221; representing the world empire of these false religions linking to pagan symbolism and seek assistance from some courteous Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses when they next call they will be more than happy to assist you.</p>
<p>The Bible says the &#8220;one being reproved does not like the one reproving them&#8221; in Proverbs but also states &#8220;the one that is wise will listen to counsel&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To certain ones,

?Re-viewing certain comments it reminds of the scriptural account of how the &quot;demon possessed people followed Jesus around&quot; and at times Jesus had to &quot;put up with the demons speaking to him from the person whom they had control over&quot;. On other occasions &quot;demon possessed persons sort healing&quot;.

The account showed Jesus had little time for &quot;demons” and on one occasion reproved “satan the leader of the demons” not once but three times stating “go away it is written” quoting from the scriptures on each time and eventually “satan left to a more convenient time”.

As Jesus set the “pattern for us to follow” certain repeat persons after three times reproving them from scripture simply ignore them as unintelligent especially if they are ex-Jehovah’s witlessness for in event they continue to follow certain God fearing persons around then Jesus teachings were to Separate effectively and in thus symbolically telling them to “GO AWAY”!

Any person whom has studied the Bible sees the methods of “demons use of people under their influence”. Jesus only assisted those seeking his help by which he used the “Spirit force” to expel those persons demons, and immediately they were expelled the person was cured indicating what it will be like in God’s Kingdom were righteousness is to dwell.

Their in “lies the test”, if a person chooses to ignore God’s Conditions for salvation by exercising “faith in the provisions for life everlasting” then they only have themselves to blame as unintelligent persons behaving like animals pursuant to the description in the book of James and certain persons may well have demonstrated their likeness to animals in their comments unintelligent lacking “Human qualities having been Created in God’s Image via our forefather Adam”.  Jesus also said if people are undeserving “dust of your feet and walk away” you are not to continue unproductive conversations but reprove with severity!

The commission is to preach the “Good News of the Kingdom” to remove pain and suffering on the terms and conditions outlined within the scriptures for all honest hearted ones to respond in “sincerity of heart and dedicate themselves to do God’s Will”. If people do not want to respond and only seek to belittle you for any assistance one may offer then that is there choice. It follows likewise them having made that decision for a “witnesses to symbolically dust off their feet” and move on to “those deserving and separate from bad association” and “goat will remain a goat” because they show no indication of repentance.

On the other hand in Jesus day those having “demon problems” that sort help exercising faith got healed. The powers of using the Spirit for healing the scriptures prove has finished. Hence all those that have witnessed such healings in our day are actually witnessing the power of demons mimic-ing Jesus using their spirit force to mislead unsuspecting ones to mislead.

It appears a certain one claims to be an ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses and uses “loose conduct” a thing that does not befit holy people according to scriptures hence Paul took the disciples and separate from those undeserving so as those “eye witnesses could see those were unapproved from God’s viewpoint”. Jehovah God will execute judgement not man so their argument is with God himself not man and yet the scripture states the “demons no there is a God and they shudder”. The “demons no their time is up”. They are active every where since losing the battle in heaven. The scriptures indicate they will attempt to mislead even the chosen ones.

Eve sinned “because she kept listening to satan” using the serpent as a mouth peace. So why keep listening to any person whom chooses to disobey God’s Word and not seek help to free themselves from demons rather than demonstrate they seek no assistance by keeping to reply to such ones. Jesus set pattern simply said “go away satan it is written”, hence if persons do not want Bible answers to their questions you effectively are at the wrong place “Go Away”. Jesus warned their &quot;would be mockers like in Noah&#039;s day&quot; and they &quot;took no note&quot;, &quot;untill the Divine judgement arrived&quot;, then, &quot;they took note it implies&quot;, but it was to late they lost their lives &quot;their choice&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To certain ones,</p>
<p>?Re-viewing certain comments it reminds of the scriptural account of how the &#8220;demon possessed people followed Jesus around&#8221; and at times Jesus had to &#8220;put up with the demons speaking to him from the person whom they had control over&#8221;. On other occasions &#8220;demon possessed persons sort healing&#8221;.</p>
<p>The account showed Jesus had little time for &#8220;demons” and on one occasion reproved “satan the leader of the demons” not once but three times stating “go away it is written” quoting from the scriptures on each time and eventually “satan left to a more convenient time”.</p>
<p>As Jesus set the “pattern for us to follow” certain repeat persons after three times reproving them from scripture simply ignore them as unintelligent especially if they are ex-Jehovah’s witlessness for in event they continue to follow certain God fearing persons around then Jesus teachings were to Separate effectively and in thus symbolically telling them to “GO AWAY”!</p>
<p>Any person whom has studied the Bible sees the methods of “demons use of people under their influence”. Jesus only assisted those seeking his help by which he used the “Spirit force” to expel those persons demons, and immediately they were expelled the person was cured indicating what it will be like in God’s Kingdom were righteousness is to dwell.</p>
<p>Their in “lies the test”, if a person chooses to ignore God’s Conditions for salvation by exercising “faith in the provisions for life everlasting” then they only have themselves to blame as unintelligent persons behaving like animals pursuant to the description in the book of James and certain persons may well have demonstrated their likeness to animals in their comments unintelligent lacking “Human qualities having been Created in God’s Image via our forefather Adam”.  Jesus also said if people are undeserving “dust of your feet and walk away” you are not to continue unproductive conversations but reprove with severity!</p>
<p>The commission is to preach the “Good News of the Kingdom” to remove pain and suffering on the terms and conditions outlined within the scriptures for all honest hearted ones to respond in “sincerity of heart and dedicate themselves to do God’s Will”. If people do not want to respond and only seek to belittle you for any assistance one may offer then that is there choice. It follows likewise them having made that decision for a “witnesses to symbolically dust off their feet” and move on to “those deserving and separate from bad association” and “goat will remain a goat” because they show no indication of repentance.</p>
<p>On the other hand in Jesus day those having “demon problems” that sort help exercising faith got healed. The powers of using the Spirit for healing the scriptures prove has finished. Hence all those that have witnessed such healings in our day are actually witnessing the power of demons mimic-ing Jesus using their spirit force to mislead unsuspecting ones to mislead.</p>
<p>It appears a certain one claims to be an ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses and uses “loose conduct” a thing that does not befit holy people according to scriptures hence Paul took the disciples and separate from those undeserving so as those “eye witnesses could see those were unapproved from God’s viewpoint”. Jehovah God will execute judgement not man so their argument is with God himself not man and yet the scripture states the “demons no there is a God and they shudder”. The “demons no their time is up”. They are active every where since losing the battle in heaven. The scriptures indicate they will attempt to mislead even the chosen ones.</p>
<p>Eve sinned “because she kept listening to satan” using the serpent as a mouth peace. So why keep listening to any person whom chooses to disobey God’s Word and not seek help to free themselves from demons rather than demonstrate they seek no assistance by keeping to reply to such ones. Jesus set pattern simply said “go away satan it is written”, hence if persons do not want Bible answers to their questions you effectively are at the wrong place “Go Away”. Jesus warned their &#8220;would be mockers like in Noah&#8217;s day&#8221; and they &#8220;took no note&#8221;, &#8220;untill the Divine judgement arrived&#8221;, then, &#8220;they took note it implies&#8221;, but it was to late they lost their lives &#8220;their choice&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow! I haven&#039;t seen a reply in ages! Yet the same thing happens when people don&#039;t have the decency to check on the postings and stuff that were written before *sigh*. My recommendation to &quot;otto marconi&quot;, dude, read all the other postings that were posted at the bottom, and at the top, and then if you have something useful to say, post it. Take care, and hope you have a nice day.

Grace be with you,

Luis.

1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow! I haven&#8217;t seen a reply in ages! Yet the same thing happens when people don&#8217;t have the decency to check on the postings and stuff that were written before *sigh*. My recommendation to &#8220;otto marconi&#8221;, dude, read all the other postings that were posted at the bottom, and at the top, and then if you have something useful to say, post it. Take care, and hope you have a nice day.</p>
<p>Grace be with you,</p>
<p>Luis.</p>
<p>1 John 5:10<br />
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.</p>
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		<title>By: otto marconi</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto marconi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Luis,
again like all christians you really disappoint.
At the end of your reply above you quote the scripture about the pharisees asking for a sign.
Well, Markus wasn&#039;t asking for a sign, but analyzing miracles he&#039;s spotted some blatant incongruencies. People who question jesus&#039; reported miracles do not ask for a sign: when do you religionists stop attaching meaning and intentions onto those who challenge you?
For example, do you remember the short story &#039;Reanimator&#039; by HP Lovecraft? Well in this story the doctor/scientist tried to re-animate humans and animals. But he could only re-animate only those animals and humans whose death had occured only hours earlier, so very very fresh corpses.
Jesus was the same: he would only resurrect &quot;fresh corpses&quot;, NEVER people who had been dead for years or whose body had completely dissolved. Why?
I think for the same reason no missing limb has been seen growing back again during any modern-day miracle-event...till -as Markus wrote- they get to do that too and bamboozle more suckers still.
And if jesus is so willing to do this good why doesn&#039;t he eliminate all evil and sorrow once and for all instead of such dubious piece-meal fashion?
If men and women are all the same why favour some only?
Because they have more faith? Well where was the faith of those supposedly dead he resurrected? Their parents faith? A proxy-faith?
And wouldn&#039;t have been more powerful and especially more loving to actually heal also unbelievers?
When I was a JW the more I read the bible the more questions arose, and I know no logic answer will ever come. Not to mention the dismay and abhorrence I developed due to the explicit and implicit meanings and implications of the bible &quot;teaching&quot;.
That&#039;s why if you come my place you&#039;ll see copies of the bible in my bathroom which we regularly use when we run out of the more useful and soft regular toilet paper. No kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Luis,<br />
again like all christians you really disappoint.<br />
At the end of your reply above you quote the scripture about the pharisees asking for a sign.<br />
Well, Markus wasn&#8217;t asking for a sign, but analyzing miracles he&#8217;s spotted some blatant incongruencies. People who question jesus&#8217; reported miracles do not ask for a sign: when do you religionists stop attaching meaning and intentions onto those who challenge you?<br />
For example, do you remember the short story &#8216;Reanimator&#8217; by HP Lovecraft? Well in this story the doctor/scientist tried to re-animate humans and animals. But he could only re-animate only those animals and humans whose death had occured only hours earlier, so very very fresh corpses.<br />
Jesus was the same: he would only resurrect &#8220;fresh corpses&#8221;, NEVER people who had been dead for years or whose body had completely dissolved. Why?<br />
I think for the same reason no missing limb has been seen growing back again during any modern-day miracle-event&#8230;till -as Markus wrote- they get to do that too and bamboozle more suckers still.<br />
And if jesus is so willing to do this good why doesn&#8217;t he eliminate all evil and sorrow once and for all instead of such dubious piece-meal fashion?<br />
If men and women are all the same why favour some only?<br />
Because they have more faith? Well where was the faith of those supposedly dead he resurrected? Their parents faith? A proxy-faith?<br />
And wouldn&#8217;t have been more powerful and especially more loving to actually heal also unbelievers?<br />
When I was a JW the more I read the bible the more questions arose, and I know no logic answer will ever come. Not to mention the dismay and abhorrence I developed due to the explicit and implicit meanings and implications of the bible &#8220;teaching&#8221;.<br />
That&#8217;s why if you come my place you&#8217;ll see copies of the bible in my bathroom which we regularly use when we run out of the more useful and soft regular toilet paper. No kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the 2nd posting is more complete, I accidentaly hit the button &quot;submit comment&quot; before I was going to be adding little details (you can compare them if you want)
Ok, ok, gotta go, byebye.

Grace be with you,

Luis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the 2nd posting is more complete, I accidentaly hit the button &#8220;submit comment&#8221; before I was going to be adding little details (you can compare them if you want)<br />
Ok, ok, gotta go, byebye.</p>
<p>Grace be with you,</p>
<p>Luis</p>
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