@keith Dear jehovordure Keith, keep thine cheap moronic analysis for jehowhores and child-rape mongers like you and the Towers of All Terrors.
Ya might well be an ex but you talk like one of them, in which case makes your shame even more embarrassing. go stick your shitpacked head deep up into your elders’ asses, ya monster child rapist sexually depraved bloodthirsty mass-murderer shiteating cheat.

Dear Otto.

Im an EX JW – as well, why are you so hatefull, its easy to leave the JW community Were you “made to leave”due to you action´s” did you try to live 2 lives, its this the basis for you hate… were you “found” with your hands in the cookie jar..??

@Pablo moreover dear pablo, i wonder how come you rejected an offer by the much more prestigious Columbia University in a city where you can also find scores of latin american/ ispanics like you…
guess you belong to some latin american countries that hate the United States of America, just like some of their filthy leaders do (e.g. chavez),
so much so you prefer putting your brain at the service of a lesser “land of evil” such as canada, but still feeding on and exploiting what capitalist countries can offer to people like you. same old story…

@Pablo Dear pablo, thank you for having produced your resume, sure as hell you’re on way to gain planetary iconic status in your field.
and if ya got such a brain as you claim i was insulting nobody, just describing things in plain English.
wish you a good life too serving your charming god….

@otto marconi
Otto, I am not and never was a Jehovah’s witness. Im just a believer in the God of the Bible that you deny and despite so much.

I really dont know why you are insulting me. Just because you disagree with me? I guess given the content of your insults, that must be the logical and rational way in which someone “with a brain” defeats the faulty arguments of an opposer…

And if this is just a childish matter of proving that we have a brain, I guess that having immigrated from the third world to Canada after having been accepted in the University of Toronto (after I rejected an offer from Columbia University in NY) with a full scholarship to pursue graduate studies in computer science, having already finished a MSc and being about to finish my PhD, should be proof enough on my side.

Have a good life, Otto!

@Pablo Dear pablo how JEHOVORDURE are you!!! I was a JEHOVORDURE myself and your argument is typical of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. I do know that the jesus-the fucking-christ figure is the last turd shat out of former cults and religions. You tell me how could people DIE for a LIE??? First of all nobody knows to what extent people died for believing a lie. Maybe they got killed cos they were just scum (sure as dead), the scum of society. And the fathers of the church and all the vatican popes and their stoogies were the worst scum of society first and when they got power they became the worst criminals ever together with JEHOWHORE THE WAR CRIMINAL. Secondly I’d like to remond you dear piece of troglodyte shit, THAT EVEN TODAY PEOPLE DIE FOR LIES THE LIES OF THE RULERS OF THE WORLD AND THEIR WARS AND THE LIES OF THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS SUCH AS THE MUSLIM FANATICS. REMBER YOU MOTHERFUCKER PABLO, DYING FOR AN IDEOLOGY DOES NOT MAKE THAT SHIT TRUE OR GOOD FOR THAT MATTER. GROW A BRAIN MORON!!!!

@otto marconi
“invented by the those pranksters at the vatican”. Otto, if you are going to have a particular position on a subject, at least base it on historical facts, but not just on some unfounded and uninformed ideas. And Im NOT discussing here if Jesus was a historical figure or not. Im just pointing out that if the story of Jesus was made up, then it was forged centuries before “the vatican” ever came into existance, or even before the roman emperor Constantine declared christianity the official religion of the empire in the early 4th century. If Jesus never existed, then a very large number of early church fathers from the first and second centuries must have all conspired together to invent this character. Funny that a vast majority of them chose to give their lives for this made-up Lie…

@Pablo Jesus’ LOAD is light? how do ya know? Pathetic, really pathetic to keep talking about a squirt (jesus the fucking christo) that never existed invented by the those pranksters at the vatican! pranksters and geniuses in deceit and money-making scams.

@D. Wizzle
D Wizzle,
God is not angry with you! On the contrary, He loves you and understands your suffering. (Heb 4:15 “For we have as high priest, not one who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tested in all respects like ourselves, but without sin”)
The Truth is not an organization but a Person: Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (Jn 14:6)
No other person or organization is between you and the Father, but Jesus: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus” (1 Tim 2:5) He lovingly tells you: “Come to me, all YOU who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh YOU. Take my yoke upon YOU and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment for YOUR souls. For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.” (Mt 11:28-30)

@otto marconi I meant SEWER-ASS (THAT OF JEHOWHORE)

@Ann Dear Ann, right what you say about bro Ray Franz, but remember that jesus the fucking christo is yet another venomous turd expelleed out of jehovordure’s (aka jehowhore) swer-ass.

@D. Wizzle Dear Wizzle APOSTATE: you acknowledge the horro perpetrated by the Towers of All Terrors but ya do not have the BALLS to quit cos of your family.
Well, my principle is that if any one person dissociates from my person on silly grounds like different relgious views then IT’S ME THAT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SUCH SCUM ANY-MORE, BE IT MY PARENTS, MY OWN CHILDREN DOWN TILL THE LAST ASSHOLE.
Now this would be the test to see WHO among your shitty relations keeps loving you regardless of your right to exercise your freedom of thought.
It’s me that i kick out of my life ALL those motherfuckers who love more the shit-eaters, genocide fanatics of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger!!!
NO one in this world should need any who for religious grounds severs their bllod ties.
Those who do this never were human beings but child rapist bloodthirsty monsters like ALL JE-FUCKING-HOVAH WITLESSES.
Anfd christ you’re hostage of this blapshemous shit ya call family, they are used suppositories, that’s what such depraved folk of yours are, just like my elder brother who keeps giving his faggot.-broken to pieces piggy ass to the Watchtower Mafia.

As far as Ray Franz goes, I grew up knowing his name. I was born in 1980 and my mom was baptized in the same year.

If you read either of his books, you would know what his stance is on salvation and Jesus Christ (I assume the “Z” was a type-o”)

Anyway, we don’t need to research every person that publishes anything. Do you know the full story of Isaac Newton? Why, then, do you accept gravity as a physical LAW of the universe? Do you know everything about Albert Einstein’s life? No, you know that what they say is truth because of how it compares to unchanging laws that are not up for dispute (i.e, gravity, speed of light, circumference of the earth, temperatures, etc…)

Ray Franz is the first person that I have believed to say the truth after growing up as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I was taught to never read anything or listen to anything that was contrary to what I already believed. After college I began to realize that to learn and grow in intelligence and to grow as a person you need to have a critical eye.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught to never read anything contrary to what is not “present truth”. I guess reading the old Studies from the Sciptures is just as bad as ready apostate stuff, right?

After reading “Crises” and then more importantly “Christian Freedom”, I realized that whether what Ray said was right or wrong, I need to take more responsibility to what I REALLY believed. Now I do.

I still feel disappointed in myself because I stay with the organization. But I CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT lose my family. My parents would never talk to me again and I’d lose my wife (and hence…2 sons). I am willing to give up everything. I know that is pathetic to say, but it’s true. I’m sure God is not happy with me for this. I just don’t know the alternative.

@sparky
This man spoke out about wrong doing in the WT society….then you go on about hius stance with God?????? Jehovah does not require an organization….look up things before you comment with such a lack of education in this subject….the WT is extremely rich…..is that what Jesus would have looked well apon. I doubt it. And we don`t need magazines tellinbg us over and over the same things…costing people money many can ill afford. THAT is not Godly…..the WT regardless, is a successful money making machine. Endorsed by Jehovah…time will tell.

Sad, very sad, brainwashed imbecile resorting to innuendo and vague scriptural threats – wake up and smell the coffee – Ray F saw the light – the WT Society “went apostate” long ago when mans rule replaced Gods

re:john, vancouver

it looks like a case of can’t see the woods for the tree’s.

check out the brouchure Jehovah’s Witnesess – who are they?

on page 12 & 13 look at the section “what do they believe?”

could there be something holding you back, something you are embarressed about? is it fear of man?

ann,
before you leave consider this. when the jews left egypt how many wished to see the promised land? all of them. how many actually did? some died at the hands of Jehovah but others through the inescapable fact we are all slaves to sin and death.

was the faith of those ones like moses, aaron, miriam dimmed in any way by the fact they did not see the fulfillment of the promise? did they moan that they had been lied to? or that they had been sold short?

do you want to go back to worship idols, saints or men?

i have with the org since 1969. i remember when ray franz went apostate. is this what you want? to listen to apostates? who provided the ransom? physically it was jesus but who asked him to do it? Jehovah. therefore it is to him you should stick to and not to a man who will tickle you with words and offer nothing except you believe him.

and where will that take you. remember Gen 3.15 has not been completely fulfilled just yet. even ray knows that so what will happen to him l wonder and to you?

Dear Brother, I too am wondering which way to turn. I have never been baptized, but have been associated with JW’s all my life. My wife and children are baptized witnesses, my three sisters are babitzed witnesses as is my 86 year old mother and all her family. My grand mother was a witness for 80 years and 8 of her 11 children are witnesses and all there children and all there children. Hence my whole extended family are witnesses. I have tried discussing issues with my sisters however they ignore the facts concerning Pastor Russel, 607 1914. they truly believe that they have the truth, as you must have as well.
My children are 12,16, & 18. The younges studying for baptism. How can I try to tell them about the ” society” without being branded an apostate and loosing all contact with them? An impossible situation.

Thank you Brother Franz for the books you wrote. I wish I’d known about them when they were first published. They provide food for thought and make honest people examine themselves as Jehovah’s witnesses. After being associated with the organization since 1988, I realize it’s time to leave now. For the past 15 years, “I’ve been waiting on Jehovah.” Now I know, shattered hearts must go to Jesus because he saves us from false doctrines and harsh shepherds.

This is a year later to your posting and I have not read the book by franz as of yet, but I intend to. I am in a dilema. I have been a witness for about 30 years. I am 50 and my faith has been shattered by unloving men “Elders” who have mistreated him horribly with false allegations. They removed him unjustly as an Elder and their Presiding Overseer. It is a long story and I do not wish to go into it right now. I myself have been mistreated for many years by the same men and now my father is the brunt of their attack. I have been an elder up to just recently in another congregation, I removed myself. I am wanting to know where shattered hearts go after being a witness. I do believe that many of the beliefs are right. there are some that I do question but need to know where to go. I am in the hopes that Franz has started something. I do have the society to thank for much of my knowledge but I fear that they have drifted away from really helping the sheep and are playing to much politics within the organization. To many wrongs are left for “Jehovah to work out in his own time”. This I feel, is their way of not looking into things that may cause them legal problems.

dear brother Franz ,
Hope you are keeping well IV just read you two books and all i can say is wow! thank you for your honesty and your fairness in the writing of the two books.thank you for your deep insight on the going ons within the organization of the wittiness’s helped me and my best friend to find the true truth of how to worship our loving father Jehovah god .thank you thank you once Brother in faith.
yours sincerely.
frank

Excellent book..

Fair in its approach and outlook..

An in depth study of the Watchtower Societies history…showing all the mistakes of its past and wrong teachings it still administers to its followers..

In a “Fair World” they would read it and they would be shocked at what they found….